British museums respresent everything that we should recognise as inappropriate, says Karma Gad 3/6
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- čas přidán 7. 07. 2024
- Karma Gad, Mansfield College, speaks in proposition of the motion that This House Believes British Museums Are Not Very British.
This is the third speech of six.
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British museum ❌
Chor Bazaar ✅
Ahaha cry more, how Brits slaved indians.😭😭
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In india we call them "Chor Bazar" literally means thieves market!
Interesting. In Spain there are gypsyisms (words taken and adapted from the Caló lexicon) with that same root chor- such as chorear, choricear (to steal) and chorizo (thief).
If the Young Lady were to make a similar statement in India, she would be asked to immigrate back to Egypt.
@@raxas7378 and that would be against freedom of speach, which is sacred to investigate the truth. If she is on the wrong, correct her with facts and teach her how to think.
@@youssef-lz8fj Freedom of expression is the keystone of modern democracy. That includes facts, and opinions held. She Is entitled to her opinion too . That is formed by fact and gut feel.
Ahaha cry more, how Brits slaved indians.
British museums: where we showcase our remarkable talent for borrowing things and forgetting to return them... for centuries!
@@jophy02 buying something or being offered something in a treaty agreement is not “borrowing” it. Have any examples of something we borrowed and didn’t give back?
I've heard that bulk of manuscripts that contained ancient knowledge of srilanka are also in British museums
@@RukshanJ having some artifacts in such world renowned museums are important for everlasting preservation of one's identity and heritage. I'm from Nepal and I'm thankful that many of our artifacts are safe in foreign museums with credits and proper descriptions. Countless artifacts, temples were destroyed in Nepal during 2015 earthquake so if those artifacts in those museums were in Nepal, there could've been huge probability that these artifacts got destroyed, buried and turned to ruins
@@aa6eheia156 Ridiculous. All evils can be justified and rationalized by your way of thinking.
@@user-bz8qe1lu2l if it does, then it is not evil, and then you should investigate if your labeling is a miss-conseption or a lie.
Script reading speech basically used in non English speaking countries... 😂😂
British royal navy was basically the biggest pirate crew..no wonder they looted so much wealth 😂
Yeah, right.... Indian WhatsApp university?
@@charananekibalijaun8837 Lol , the utter stupidity you have and the amount of ignorance in you , is beaming out like a shooting star . Bruh , its facts . That the britz did loot us . And this was aided by the navy . There were no damm airplanes which could carry tons back then . How is this whats app university ? Seems like your the one from those .
when the french discovered the Rosetta Stone it was being used as a rock in a fort. this cant be the best and brightest.
They are the brightest within the system cultivated. Malaysia has our fair share.
It's endless - why don't the Egyptians compensate the slave nations they had? (And they had)
lol! shift the guilt!!
that would be a lot of muslims sending money to jews lmfao. boy, would they hate that lol
This was a very sad speech to see here. Missing sooo much context. Let alone the fact that we don’t get to actually hear the argument for the opposition.
Yeah you do. Just watch the 5 other videos.
To Britons: defend your country and your culture, please. In Italy, we lost a lot of artworks and we never say that we are in crisis due to foreign invasions.
In historical times, crime are committed, including lootings. The law applies in a limited way and cannot go back in time for centuries. Every country, including European ones, was a victim of another country. It is crazy the idea to treat past historical events as today crimes.
Agreed THEYRE OWN CULTURE. Not other people's.
@@nrb1989 Objects which were included in museum collections in historical times are part of the country's culture. According to your rule, Italians should take back a massive quantity of artworks, but I suspect that your rule is applied only to what you consider minority. It is the classical double standard of the Left.
A Prehistoric plate from my region is now at a Russian museum, for example. This is how things work. Even if Italy is a Western country, so it cannot be oppressed, in your/their biased view. It is cultural marxist policy, which finds the today minority to fight for.
@@nessuno3048 I see your point but a cultural artefact is something that the common man in that country relates to but I don't think British people have any belongingness or knowledge of that artefact for ex sculpture of many gods and goddesses from India....and I am not talking just of names , there are so many more like these from different countries .
@@_Rishabh_honeybadger The common man does not even know his own culture.
So you are saying all countries who want their items back should attack Britain in order to get that back ??
Ladies and gentleman I'm reading the script here 😂
Student ❓🤡
Translator 🥳👻
a propos of imperialism, modern egyptians speak arabic and are muslims as a result of arab imperialism
Too bad they'll never admit that Islam is a colonizing, invasive, propaganda spreading, and violently bloody empire just like every other human civilization that has ever existed since cavemen first started evicting Bears from their caves with sharp sticks and rocks.
Culture is much more than just language and religion. Switzerland official languages are French, German, Italian and their own language. Does that make them any of the mentioned nationalities? An easier example, are Americans considered English because they speak English?
Egyptian civilisation and culture is much more than that, something maybe beyond your comprehension.
Islam is a religion, Egyptians can be Christians ( More than 15% of the population) or atheists or anything, they would still be Egyptians.
@@CardiologyforeverChristians are less than 10% in Egypt.
@@Cardiologyforever islam is most succesful imperialism.... how does egypt become arabic and islam?
Don’t forget that mummies and a large number of cultural relics from that era were auctioned off by tomb robbers and traders on the streets, and the mummies were left exposed under the scorching sun. If the cultural relics were to be returned, would the Egyptian government return power to the indigenous Africans?
Thank you for raising this issue and spreading awareness about it.
Egypt 🇪🇬 ❤️
We have our first deportee!
I know, right on cue! 😂
those artifacts are not british either. they belong in their lands of origin. to be seen by the descendants of those civilizations.
What about the pot holes in Blackburn Lancashire!
@@cyb-m We bought and traded them fair and square. And others we won via conquest.
@@agDRAGONMAN001 none of them was bought. it was all stolen. you just admitted to be a country of theives.
Reminiscent of my sister's generation. And no, I'm not from India. I'm from another Commonwealth nation not as well-represented in the museum; Malaysia.
Oh please, have any of you actually BEEN to any museums in Egypt? Let’s talk Kairo for example - their idea of “protecting and preserving historical artifacts” is two sticks and a string between them, to “prevent” people from getting close. You can literally CLIMB INTO a sarcophagus or touch a mummy and noone bats an eye. You can climb all over the pillars and ancient buildings, scratch the hieroglyphes while “looking” at them etc.
The speaker is clearly a beautiful and bright girl, but needs to grow up and face reality. Egyptians aren’t capable or interested in preserving historical artefacts, so it’s better for more developed countries to have taken them, otherwise in 100 years there will be no more of them to see, and the pyramids would be turned to cheap hotels.
I feel the same about Indian subcontinent artefacts in the British Museum too. But when looking at the way Museums are run here by ignorant bureaucrats who treat tit like any other posting, next to zero funding and add to that politicisation of of cultural heritage; I do have to admit that they have a better chance of being preserved for posterity in foreign Institutions.
What about the natural history type specimens? Majority of the species described from Asia have holotypes deposited in the natural history museum, which most Asians are unable to access.
Brilliant speech from amazing Egyptian lady 🤩 extremely proud of you 👏👏👏
She said it all
Thank you for spreading awareness of what was stolen from egypt
If this is the best of the Oxford crop we are doomed. You wouldn’t have Egyptian antiquities if it wasn’t for the scholarship and industry of the British. Their current value consists of their establishment in the British Museum. Please don’t forget that Egypt had an empire too, yet perhaps they were too arrogant or ignorant to recognise the value of studying and preserving other cultures for the benefit of mankind.
She is eloquent and she has interesting and valid points, would be great to see the whole debate.
Her name is Karma Gad. In her name itself, "KARMA" is there. Now she stands in Oxford Union with her Karma to expose the loot of the British from all her former colonies like India, Egypt etc.........................................................................................................
Delusional to think that people should give back the spoils of war
They taught you a lot of rubbish!
Great presenter 👍👌👏 you did your homework and it turned out into this excellent speech, great work
give it back to Mo Salah
When did the current inhabitants of Egypt (excluding, perhaps, the Copts) begin identifying with the ancient Egyptian civilization?
Brilliant speech from a brilliant future leader of this country.
I'm really surprised how brave you are to say this words and defend your historical heritage, you did an amazing job little lady 👏
Good work, Egyptian young lady. You carried the Egyptian thoughts to the English.You did a great job.👏👏🇪🇬🇪🇬👏👏👏
Just going by the title and the thumbnail, I can kind of see where this is going. Which is pretty much in keeping with the general trends that seem to have been governing British society for quite some time now. And to be fair, she may have a point (I haven't watched it) about restoring ancient artefacts to their homeland or something, but beyond that, all I can say is this : *the writing is on the wall* . (cue-in some mystical-sounding Egyptian music).
THE BRITISH MUSEUM IS A REMINDER OF COLONISATION BUT IT IS ALSO THE HISTORY OF GLOBALISATION.
This is so disgusting. Lets change the history.
A wonderful presentation , I am proud of you, my heart Karma ❤️
God, the fact that I know her makes this 10x worse lmao
Edit: Makes the comments 10x worse, not the video.
I think your pfp being a duck is a bigger issue broski
@meeshabenefer9787 Ay, I didn't mean it in a bad way lol
It's the other comments that concern me.
@@Kameranium we know how you meant it. Be aware that your comments aren’t anonymous before you expose your insecurities online. Do better.
@@meeshabenefer9787 Fuck is you mean? I have no problems with anything said in this video. I do have problems with the blatantly racist comments against someone I considered an acquaintance, maybe even a friend.
@@Kameranium good. She’s my best friend from home. It’s worded like you are referring to the debate itself not the comments made. Fairs
The Rosetta Stone was a war battle with the France & every museum in world have art or items from history
Just started the video, and after the 1st affirmation, I could say that the country 'should' return people who weren't born in the country -- using the same ludicrous way of 'not thinking.'
most people only leave their counties because of poverty and lack of the countryside money, but if former colonial rulers paid back reparations it would greatly help the country and it’s people so they wouldnt even need to come to these counties because their own would be sufficient
Along with the reparations?
Museums treasure their artifacts, always interesting.
It's not suprising what British museums does.
Something missing ,she is talking about the civilisation of ancient Egypt that was extinct .Apropriation of culture is on also in Arabic Egypt of today .
British museums are pretty much British history; what is she on about?
Well articulated 👍🏼
wait what did she say no thank you to?
Very well said👏🏼👏🏼
Beautiful ❤ well done Karma
Great job👏👏👏
If they returned everything abroad , we would have very little left, and few people would visit them
Therefore, embark on journeys to broaden your horizons.
Amazing!
Super like ❤
Outstanding ❤
Speaking as an American with anglo father. The fact that she is a student at Oxford, allowed to give this speech, is exactly why I think she is wrong. London is a city that brought the whole world together, and it's museum respectfully tells the story of humanity. The only thing more diverse than the collection is the visitors. Isn't it a good thing for us all to be able to see our common story? Most nations would only showcase their own artifacts, make themselves central in the story of humanity. Perhaps a long with the artifacts, she would like to return to Egypt?
London underground was operational in January of 1863 . UK's affluence and progressiveness was set in tracks. I recently learnt about how banks were the foremost institutions of equality in society and so a force of progress like none other. I'm sure the banking and free market system that was perfected over time had helped in reaching milestones and many people who were nurtured by Britain to enable this. But the naming an item loot may not go along with everything that was achieved. At least a formal letter from each state saying this is left to help foster a world of unity and to bring cultures together would be a way forward, just my imagination, although it may be imperfect it is just something that decency begs from my moral compass to say at this point in time. Although I hope this does not overshadow institutions like National Trust which was founded by a lady at a time when it would have been impossible in many countries for women to do so, even to this day in some countries unfortunately.
to quote the Texas flag..."Come and take it"
She means lancashires pot holes need filling,forget the truth!
Well , its the colonial loot!
British museums will be empty then.
God bless you Karma
Oh my Gad
British Museums ❌
Thieves Collection ✅
Karma what are you trying to say. Please help me.
The thumbnail💀
This was MY OPINION until I started reading the reports out of Aleppo. The Taliban went through and destroyed the priceless works of art that had just been returned to Syria from England. The Taliban's reasoning: because the art work represented non or pre Muslim art. Granted how the pieces were obtained is terrible. Would you rather The British Museum keep them safe or send them back to unstable countries where they run the risk of being destroyed by another group like the Taliban?
I call bollocks to her argument, nothing more but woke overcorrection of history.
Why people don't want to move on. People are so obsessed with past. When we learn to forger past and live in present. No wonder ancient indian weren't interested in recording each event so they can remembered in future. Cause they knew that's a useless thing to do. People says history tells us that people learned from history but i think there is not much to learn. You still going to believe what you want to believe.
As a counter argument, it is becoming increasingly difficult to travel to many countries safely, including Egypt. If all of the artefacts are returned, there would only be British and some European artefacts in British museum and Louvre. To see World history, you would have to buy a whole folder of plane tickets costing tens of thousands of pounds, and fly around at the cost of several tons of carbon. British museum should return some artefacts but still keep a representative sample.
But if I'm Indian I want to see my artifact, sculpture,swords, kohinoor why would I pay to go UK to see that which would cost me way more I only want to see mine plus it's good for every countries tourism not only britain
What's the idea behind all this theatrical, self-serving performance? Dismantle Western heritage? Next re-draw the national borders of European nation states? I suggest they demand that she produce her British passport to the public before she was allowed to use this podium as a launchpad for an assault on British and European (yess!!) heritage.
This lady is eloquent
The Egyptians had no respect for their own historical artifacts. They were deteriorating in the desert but now they care.
You speak on behalf of the Egyptians? Besides if your home is in a deteriorating condition ( for whatever reason, lets say you don't have enough money to look after it) does this allows me to take it?
@@Cardiologyforever
It’s not a home! Most of this was simply unclaimed ruins deteriorating in the desert before the British decided to preserve it. Now that it’s considered valuable the Egyptians want it back.
These are the same Egyptians who rejected their own cultural heritage as paganism and who destroyed these artifacts for centuries.
Lastly these are the same Egyptians who took much of their treasures during this period from OTHER cultures and countries. Are they planning on returning it to those cultures?
@@drstevej2527 Regardless of whatever you say. Short answer it is not yours to take and justify it. Period
@@Cardiologyforever
Actually it’s logic reason and an understanding of history that dictates my position.
How about returning Chinese and Indian and Irish native Artifacts then?
They are priceless, and surely the UK being a Christian Civilised country has no need for the Artifacts of so-called uncivilised people, right?
Thieves and robbers, you stole and robbed them fair and square,
Pushed the common people into engineered famines, killing Millions and Millions, and have the audacity to spew nonsense after having the blood of our people on your hands?
The Rosetta probably belonged to some ancient Greek merchant. History and nations are not the same thing.
Exactly
Don't you think that if these old items are in the British Museum, they will be safer and better present your culture to the world and it will benefit you?I even think you should be proud of this opportunity!
Bravo Karma
: and recently there was a racialization once indians started turning brown , the prominent latestf of which were my dad's cousin ajju, gadkari and tendulkar
An eloquent person, but she says that she grew up in both countries but the entire speech shows favouritism. She put no reasoning about the whyes, but just threw slurs and played victimhood. British museums gave importance and meaning to these artifacts, which the natives never gave a damn about. British museums invested in means to preserve these artifacts, and now that the natives started growing envious and disgruntled, they should pay the British museums the artifacts safekeeping with interest at least, if they want them back, to be fair and to prove that they value the artifacts. She talks about the british museums being patronising, and disregards the natives clear attitude in criminalising the british museums and holding "holier than thou" stance. I say, a quick search would show what the remaining artifacts in their native land are going through from looting and negligence.
Exactly. The only reason any of the pieces in Western museums are considered important artifacts at all is because the collective West considered them so.
Leave the British museum alone (and the Louvre and Pergamon museum in Berlin, etc.)
So who told you the natives never gave any damn about? Attack the natives, destroy their culture, and then save their artifacts a few years later claiming to save them? Classic juice strategy
Yeah, she is eloquent as long as she's got that script before her. Anyway, she should be thankful to the British Museum and to Britain as her adopted homeland that she and other people even had a chance to look at those treasures from the place of her origine. However, if Europeans start talking today about dismantling their history, setting right the wrongs of the Imperial past, the gates to hell would flip wide open, and one of the next logical steps would be to try and re-draw national borders - maybe starting from the age of the Roman Empire.
I couldn’t agree with you more. That was absolutely perfectly put. There is a clear case of victimhood and holier than thou attitude going on from her and those that are irrationally desperate to get these pieces back. They’re staying here, as they should. Time moves on, as it always does.
How about returning Chinese and Indian and Irish native Artifacts then?
They are priceless, and surely the UK being a Christian Civilised country has no need for the Artifacts of so-called uncivilised people, right?
Thieves and robbers, you stole and robbed them fair and square,
Pushed the common people into engineered famines, killing Millions and Millions, and have the audacity to spew nonsense after having the blood of our people on your hands?
Nice speech! And to the british museum: ¡Devuelvan el Moai!
Chor bazar is the right sentence
The artefacts are in British museum because British people value more those things. And muslims do not look how they destroyed ancient city of Palmirya in Syria they don’t value historical heritage that’s why it’s better for to present those Exponates in British museum that is much more safe for heritage
Our Christian heritage reveals artifacts relevant to this. The Bible speaks a lot about ancient history of Egypt, the Holy Land, Rome, etc.
Big like
She's gorgeous
Why would anyone return egyptian artifacts to the occupiers and opressors of the descendants who owned those artifacts?? Give back the country to the copts and then we'll talk about giving them their stuff back. Calling yourself egyptian doesn't mean you take over ownership of the stuff of the people you conquered.
Until the copts get at least their own country and the right to make their own laws without having to listen to you, there is no way we're handing their stuff over to you. I don't doubt their ability to take care of their stuff, I'm doubting your ability to take care of their stuff.
@@GotMyTowel42 ... I know?
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Jesus Chris I stopped watching this video when I saw her affected behavior
Go back then.
I couldn't keep up with her We and Us. What is she? It's better to depersonalise the speech and say the countries' names. Nice dress though.
The evening dress was bought for her by an imam in Egypt.
@@user-uv9tl4jt8w Seems unlikely:-)
She's so beautiful she's right!
Don't be so easily swayed by beauty. She's absolutely wrong.
she needs too be deported!
She's talking s**t
She is very beautiful
The Cancel Calture
BRITISH museums aren't british
British museums are very much British: stealing from other people is unfortunately part of British history.
I mean sometimes, (and, it may be the case RE Egypt's history) but I also think we need to address the sticky issue of cultures that destroy archeological treasures in the name of militant religions - like the Taliban's long history of destroying priceless historic artifacts in the name of ideology. These are also crimes against humanity.
Likewise, not all nations have the government or economics to preserve archeological treasures. You also need to address the real world issue as well as advocating for ideals - because history must be preserved & some cultures cant or wont.
This talk appears a little selective in regard to what it chooses to problematize.
Pyramid joke was hilarious 😂 but the lady is hot and beautiful
Her body language for a university debate is obnoxious. And she's merely regurgitating printed texts.
Intellectual gal
Beauty with brain
The very fact that this lady is allowed to make this speech and is listened to with respect shows how advanced and tolerant British society is.
What do you mean advanced? expressing an opinion should be a persons fundamental right and it is so in most of the countries(even developing countries). There is nothing advanced about it
@@SanjanaNAthreyaNo the freedom of speech is not the same everywhere just because it is written in some paper book does not mean the implementation and ground reality is touched. Let's take an example of India a third world country where freedom of speech is forbidden despite it's written in their constitution as a fundamental right yet the practice isn't widespread because of the fear from indian illiterate mob. Can anyone criticize india in their home does they places for debate regarding historical matters where it is clearly indian sub-continental empires were evil and proved? The answer is no the British allows every single individual to speak whatever they wish to and many takes the advantage of it spreading lies and disinformation proven from Shashi Tharoor's work which was fraud deep down
@@optus7113who made it 3rd world? UK became 1st world only because of INDIA and its resources, otherwise they'll be traveling on boats to African countries just like African countries are doing today. You stole $50 trillion of wealth from INDIA and it is a conservative figure never forget that.
@@optus7113can anyone criticize INDIA in their home? As far as I know INDIA never invaded any country by force and looted trillions of dollars of wealth and ki//ed millions and millions of people. (65 million in INDIA alone)
@@optus7113entire UK is build on INDIAN money. INDIA was the world's richest country throughout its history before British looted it ($50 trillion) its karma what Britain is facing today.
You born on,near 1996 to 2000 before you leave in my hoom with me,
you cant re write history england explored and conquerd and gave the model of how we live modern life through the commonwealth
bla..bla..blah
Maybe you're a history buff - but in your proposal you want to erase part of history by anachronistically judging past actions. There is an obsolescence on it, and not for nothing.
Very well said!!!
I hope, if she joins a political party subsequently (which is very likely to happen if she is not already a member), she keeps the same position and fights to change what she now deplores!!! Usually, we see most of the young guys changing 180 degrees when they join parties.
I wish her the best. And Bravo for her speech! We would need more people like this lady criticizing policies like those of the British Museums so that hopefully the return things back to their original countries!