The QUEST For The ULTIMATE Windows 98 PC [Part 1]
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CPU: Intel Pentium 4 670 3.80GHz
RAM: 1GB DDR
GPU: NVIDIA GeForce 6800 Ultra/NVIDIA GeForce 6600 GT
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-8IPE775 Pro
Case: Deepcool Tesseract
PSU: GE-P610A-C2
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BLiZZARD - Contraduct Design
DualTrax - orion crackmusic
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falcon/pulse+tdr - spineless - Věda a technologie
I know you get this comment a lot here but.... PLEASE MAKE A PART 2!!!!!!
he will, be patient.
i like how you still got 0 likes after 4 months
oh, hi sal
Didn't expect to see you here 😳
Well hello there
The CPU cooler being the wrong way around is troubling me way more than it should!
Thank you ... i thought i was the only one bothered with it !!!!
Unless the fan is in a pull configuration, then it's fine.
I used to cool my K6-III with an Alpha cooler [might be called Alpha Heatsink?], and depending on the configuration of your system back then, a pull configuration [which they reccommended] could work better.
First Thing i noticed too. Ps: the "ultimate" agp gpu would be a radeon hd 4670, if i remember correctly, but dont know if it had win98 driver Support.
@@christiankoller5550 HD 4670 is newest, but it's not the fastest (3850).
@@CompatibilityMadness intetesting, thougt it was faster. Are there drivers around? Have to take a Look
Can't call it ultimate 98 PC without Sound blaster live!
That's what I thought when he had problems with that realtek crap on his board. Get a used sb live etc. Looks like there's a shorting problem with the gfx cards...
or aureal vortex 2
*puts in an Terratec DMX 6Fire 24\96*
what about sound blaster live?
Some core 2 duo mobo work fine, since they still have pci agp support, there is a small selection of pcie gpus that would work too,
+Athlon was faster wasn't than p4
Actually, I had an X-Fi running on Win ME, so it might run on 98
authentic win9x experience with all of the freezing and crashing
It brought me back to the old bad days xD
f'ing windows 98! lol
It's good to remind us how fortunate we are with Windows 10 (mostly) xD
@@holiggan2008 you sure 'bout that?
Inverse sleeper: looks new; is actually running Windows 98
insomniac pc
Ricer pc
Linus tech tips actually did this like 4 days ago but it looked old but had like Nvidia 3080 and other good stuff
Peter Games you’ve got it backwards mate, that’s just a normal sleeper xD
puttin on the ritz
I found your channel because of that one video where you put win 98 on the laptop.I stayed around because I love the content. Keep it up.
This video popped up in my recommendation 🤔
I didn't know he was Australian.
ditto. i subscribed because of the 98 laptop vid. When i heard his nod to rick and morty here, i knew i made the right choice.
Same
I took the exact same path to this channel. Lol
MattKC: "I am not sure how this went so wrong, so quickly."
Druaga1: "Hold my SSD."
I would like but i don't want do change you'r like cound
168 likes but only 1 comment? Lemme fix that
What you've built here is the opposite of a sleeper PC - a *woke PC*
And it only runs woke games like Joe Biden racing! And you can't play men's games or drink beer! Gargargar🤧you darn liberals
Since its the "ultimate" ... put two sticks of 512MB to enable Dual CHannel.... also check SATA controller max speed , you would probably get better overal performance with a fast HDD rather then SSD , since its the SATA controller that would be the bottleneck. Also check if you have RIAD available. And yea ... get a decent Sound Blaster and switch onboard sound off. Those early onboard sound "cards/codecs" were not offering true hardware acceleration for sound but rather emulating it, so they would usually slow down the system.
I'll second that, and suggest flipping the CPU heat sink around so that the flan blows thru the fins into the rear case fan. Maybe hunt down a 3DFX Voodoo 5 video card? Kinda old, but VERY powerful for a Win98 system.
Agreed I rocked Sound Blaster cards since Windows 3.1....any onboard crap didn't even consider tell Windows Vista and yes lot forget about dual channel it better to have two 512 sticks and i still have WD Rator 150 GB 10k rpm preform better then actually going SSD
SSD would be faster than a fast HDD even if it has SATA 1
I would actually suggest going *down* to two 256MB sticks, for one reason only.
Even with the u official service pack 3 for Windows 98SE, more than 512MB breaks MS-DOS compatibility. And a lot of games that were supported in Win9x would assume being able to (re)boot to MS-DOS mode to work.
@@ZeroHourProductions407 Amazing how 512 mb was lot ram back in the day lol now everyone wants atleast 8 gb or more
Dude, this video makes me appreciate how far Windows has come. It was such a pain in the ass back in the day. Anything could cause the system not to boot up properly or have weird glitches.
it sure has come far, but continue the same xD
*Deletes boot.exe*
Oh shi.....
Windows 10 Is A Pain In The *Thunder Sound*.
Windows XP And 7 Were The Best.
Edit: Yeah, Nevermind, Fuck Trying To Use The Internet On XP, Vista And Later Are Godly.
To experience that again you can try out ReactOS :)
@@Jaidenism0722 eh, that's nostalgia talk. i grew up with xp and 7 and they were definitely decent oses, but i remember having a lot of issues with wifi in the latter end of the xp era. windows 10, while bloated and full of unnecessary spyware, has the benefit of having decent support for most hardware - i had my build up and running without needing to even open device manager *once.*
I am doing a similar project. The first thing I would recomend is to just disable the onboard sound. Back in the Windows 98 days pretty much everyone used sound cards such as the Creative Soundblaster line. A Soundblaster Live! is probably going to be the easiest card for you to get hold of as well as one of the best quality ones for Windows 98.
In terms of the graphics card you will probably be better looking at something a bit earlier. A Radeon 9700 Pro or GeForce 4 card will be about as powerful as you can get without running into driver issues with Windows 98 as cards newer than that started either reducing or dropping support for Windows 98 all together. I would also recomend using 512mb of RAM in the PC as Windows 98 tends to have problems when you have more than 1gb of memory which includes not just the system memory but that on your graphics card as well.
Give him some credit, he spent so much for your quench!
Mate, 2 sticks would enable dual channel memory. You want ultimate; I could be selfish and not tell you that.
natr0n wont work in 98
i did my selfish and not tell him but you did told him :D
Isn't dual channel memory is handed by the bios, so why wouldn't Win98 support it?
@@antoniozuniga6777 It will work. He just needs two 512mb sticks.
Though I do know 1.5gb of RAM works with windows 98.
@@antoniozuniga6777 There's a win98 unofficial patch that fixes it. You can go as high as 3gb.
the actual opposite of a sleeper pc
I can't help but feel the pain you've gone through trying to build this. Trying to install Windows 98 on hardware like that is like building a Lego set without the instructions. Best of luck with the project! I like both the video and your ideas!
14:16 "Big NTFS propaganda" got me.
The adapters only work one way on most cards, only rarely in both ways on more modern cards.
DisplayPort ones yes, from DP to DVI/HDMI. The DVI to HDMI one is bi-directional tho, it's literally just electric-mechanic adapter, just pin swaps. Audio is out of the question tho, adapters that do audio are one way only (DVI to HDMI).
Tho he got screwed with the DVI monitor too on the 6800 sadly
yep, display port to whatever adapters only work from display port to whatever, not from whatever TO display port... there are some exotic adapters that work the other way but they are pricey
HDMI is just DVI with sound and a different pin layout. Electrically it is exactly the same.
Yep. The DVI to HDMI should have worked correctly though. And DVI isn't dead, it is still going strong in both desktop PCs and pro video.
Your channel just popped up on my recommended, and I'm glad it did. Your editing skills are on point. Keep up the great content man!
My build pc (2007-2012 version)
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- Motherboard: ECS 945gz/ct-m
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- CPU: Intel Pentium Dual Core (E2140 1.60 GHz)
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- RAM: 1GB DDR2 266MHz
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- Storage: 149 GB Samsung HD (Sata).
better than most lowestend pc today
The HDMI / DP adapters are always one way.
When you purchase you need to keep an eye on the direction
"HDMI -> DVI"
It won't work backwards
yes it will
(for HDMI)
1st I want to applaud you for doing this, it’s very difficult, I can’t imagined, you reminded me of myself, dude I wish many many luck on part 2, soon u will figure it out, best of luck, never give up, I am truly amazed, you got this far
Thank you for doing this
"WAIT THATS NOT ROYALTY FREE!!!" laughed a lot to that XD
7:11 you should have gotten 4 sticks of 256 so you can run it in quad channel.
Not every motherboard supports quad-channel ram y'know. Specially not from this era and for motherboards with 4 ram slots, that's for workstations with 8+ ram slots.
I love all retro projects. Carry on to the next dude.
This video remind of me in the old days. I had seriously unlucky days like these from time to time.
Never gave up :)
Looks like dual channel memory slots on that motherboard. Also, strange how two graphic cards failed on you.
Not really... AGP cards were notorious for failure, and the older they get the more likely they're to fail. Plus AGP isn't compatible with the original Windows 98. It might have been on Windows 98SE, but for the most part it's just a Windows XP standard. He needs a PCI graphics card.
@@TheNews1990 AGP was introduced in mid 97 and it was absolutely standard in windows 98 and in fact much more common than PCI, take a look at how many new AGP graphic cards were available in 99 versus how many PCI ones, so don't spread false information.
I suspect most of his problems come from a faulty motherboard.
That modern power supply might not be supplying enough current through its 5v or 12 rail. Older systems from that era demanded much more amperage than newer systems, so older power supplies tended to allocate more amps to the peripheral rails. He might have to over-compensate with an even bigger power supply.
@@zhurnivuurg I doubt it, a computer with a Pentium 4 and a graphic card with external power has mostly the same power distribution as a modern system with most power coming from the 12v rail, the ones that needed very heavy 5v rails where those with Athlon XPs.
I think that most of his problems come from the fact that he seems to have little (if any) prior experience with W98 era hardware and software 😁
He should have checked the thermal contacts of the graphics card and checked the temps by touch. New thermal paste and pads should be done first before running old graphics cards that you bought second hand.
For the Windows 98 20th year anniversary, I just themed my current Win10 machine to look like Windows 98. Much, much easier! Most of the nostalgia without the hardware headaches! Still looking forward to seeing what you come up with. Good job!
Love the build ! I also remember having just as much trouble back in the day getting sound working in 98. I think I went out and just bought a sound blaster and called it a day. You should see if you can find one with a gameport and get a joystick alongside your build and get Mech warrior loaded :)
It has been exactly one year since this video and I'm still waiting for part 2
16:03 That beeping is a sign about the GPU, The Graphics Card is dead so thats why
Recently stumbled upon your channel, (actually, part 2 of this series, so watching out of sequence … blasphemy?) and I’m really enjoying your shenanigans. Keep up the great work!
When several pieces of hardware are having tantrums with no rhyme or reason, it's normally the psu.
Saying that, i remember onboard bios having some control over the audio back in the day, probably worth a look.
Otherwise, great video, and thank you for not being boring!!
Ah I remember when I bought my XP pc in 2003. It was my first PC that was really good and up the challenge of all the games my friends were already playing. After a year or so I hated XP and installed 98 SE. It was nearly perfect. Almost everything was running, it had full support for all the DOS stuff (Soon dosbox came out but it never felt quite right), a nvidia card for the newer games and generally everything was running very well. I only went dualboot and later abandoned 98 because of its insecurities. You would play one round of an online game or browse the web and the whole thing was full of viruses. Connecting that OS to the internet sometimes seemed like an unprotected orgy, and burned discs from friends didn't help that much either. And all the people sending spam messages to random IPs that windows would show as dialogs.
Oh and I guess you have the Harley Davidson of Pentium 4s. I went for the X800, back then I feel it was the complete opposite of today, ATI had the cool video cards.
16:11 the greatest classic, my childhood in a nutshell
8:14
Him: You know what's better than a 1080p Monitor?
Me: A 4K Monitor??
Him: A 2 1080p Monitors
Me: .-.
@IamIanOficial That doesn't really matter. Both displays are still 1080p. Just because he has 2 1080p displays doesn't mean that the resolution of both displays go up.
I had the same problem with the audio drivers back in the day. I don't remember how my dad resolved the issue but i remember him angrily working on that shit for a week. xD Good memories.
Great Video im so ready for part 2 ^^.
Hi @MattKC! I'd sincerely like to thank you for this build/project. I admire that you even ventured it.
I have a VERY rare KORG OASYS pci card (5v, 2.2) which only had support through Win 98 se/ME. Why wouldn't I just chuck this thing? It has EVERY single synthesizer that Korg made up to that point, including Korg Triton. It had a $2000 list price, was marked to $1200, and was $300 when I bought it in y2k. So literally, finding legacy support for the actual C-A-R-D in addition to OS was a challenge.
I don't mind running any OS on metal, provided the hardware support was there. So in case anyone out there is looking for this video for win 98 as I was? and is looking to revive a PCI. Look up dell's info sheet for Dell PrecisionTMWorkstation 370. It literally says in the PDF that there is "Legacy support.... for 2.2"
I've never seen any other info sheet that said that. And, also, as suggested, Matt - the year for this "happening" is around 2004. I would never have guessed that if I had not watched this video.
Thank you very much from the bottom of my heart.
PS - I will update if I get this shiznit working. Not sure yet if a rollback is in order.....or to which if win 98 se/ Me will have the optimum performance.
you never updated
0:20 Hey, it's that Windows PowerMac from King of the Hill.
6:57 I need to know the name of this amazing fire song
Just in case anyone is curious, motherboard BIOS's of that era typically had a separate option to enable "Legacy USB support" that allows USB devices to work past post and pre-OS.
Just came here first timer, so fun to watch even so i guess it must have been such a frustrating thing doing ;) will keep beeing around for part two thanks for doing it i was entertained a lot ;)
12:16 pickle rick
Hey, what I can suggest, whenever I make setups like these and I have sound issues the easiest solution is to just use any 2000s sound card. Going out of your way to mess with BIOS is a bit too much. Thats why I keep a bunch of Creative Labs ones around, hehe
Hey man just found your channel. Love your windows 98 vids. That was the first windows I used.
Superb! I've just found a 96-disk pouch with all my old W9x games, utilities and programs on, and have spent the last 3 nights getting my ancient IBM Thi(n)kpad 660E craptop (366MHz P2, 288M 66MHz RAM, 60GB HDD, XGA, CDROM, external floppy and ONE USB2,) up and running with it's Win98SE new install, and will spend tomorrow (a public holiday) loading everything from Wolfenstein 3D to MS Orifice 97 back onto it!
13:13 you have a setting for this issue in BIOS SETUP , search for something like "USB legacy emulation" or "USB DOS keyboard and mouse function" something like that :)
In my similar mobo, it can be also called USB 2.0 keyboard(can differ)
Everyone's living in 2019 where the world is falling apart... Besides this man.
This man, he's living in the 90's, and loving every bit of it. I salute you sir. Long live the 90's and early 2000's.
BIT of it? Plz tell me the pun is intended
I'm building a project around the same motherboard and had this exact audio issue. If you decide to stick with onboard audio, track down the Realtek a3.89 drivers, which is just an earlier version of the 4.06 ones you tried. That worked for me with no crashing
This so much reminds me my struggles pretty much whenever I try to do some retro project. :) (or in the old days, trying to get something to work on Linux - it was never easy). Sometimes you just run out of energy on the way to getting things to work.
The adapters working is probably not your fault. They are probably meant to be used in reverse (HDMI device to DVI display, and DisplayPort device to DVI display for the other one).
At long last! A video from MattKC!!!😁
Great video, I'm sure you put tons of work into this, subbed your channel, waiting for 2nd part and greetings from Poland :-)
I would love to see a part 3! We need to see the best and fastest Windows 98 possible!
I remember... the PAIN in the ass that it was to make stuff work back in Windows 98... oh boy... (And don't get me started on troubleshooting...)
I wish you good luck!
*You'll need it.*
This has been a lovely train wreck. Can't wait for part 2
I built a very similar 98 machine, but used windows 7 to make a small partition on the SSD to hold the 98 installation, and chipset drivers, the full install was 5 minuets. it worked flawless, using a P4M800PRO-M motherboard, P4-651 CPU, DDR2 533 and an AGP FX3000.
Really liked this.
I would like to point out a few things for you, though:
1) Format does not write zeros - it only checks the surface for bad sectors and (fully) preps the drive for use with that partition.
2) Windows 98 will very much support formatting that full 128GB drive. All you needed to do is leave the drive un-partitioned and let Windows 98's setup do the partitioning and formatting for you (NOT FDISK...). I've done much larger drives with this method during Win98 setup and once setup starts and asks to use the full capacity of the drive - answer yes to the question and it will tell you to reboot. Once rebooted, start Windows 98 setup once again and it will ask to format the drive in which you just let it do that for you and it works!
3) The video adapters you were using are probably 'Active' adapters and not 'Passive' adapters meaning they only can pass the video data in one direction (not talking about the band, lol) and you may have had them hooked up in ReVeRsE...
4) Good job on troubleshooting why the machine wasn't POSTing. I figured I'd share a nifty trick that I use that helps in this situation as well; If the Motherboard isn't POSTing and you're not sure why and you have the power connected properly, make sure to have a PC Speaker connected, remove ALL RAM, turn the PC on without any memory installed and listen for any beep codes. If you get an annoying beep error with the RAM removed then the Motherboard is talking to you and there's a chance that the board is fine. If you don't get any beep codes after powering on with no RAM then this is usually an indication that the Motherboard has a serious issue and may not POST at all no matter how much you fight it especially if you know you have a compatible CPU installed!
10/10 would add to config.sys again
The drivers bit really makes me grateful for certain aspects of modern Windows. Cant remember the last time i had to download drivers for something other than my GPU
Modern windows still loves to fuck up drivers
4:48 im getting druaga1 flashbacks
This is why I dialled back my expectations a notch, I looked for the fastest and went for the ones under that which were more than fast enough but cheap enough and reasonably easy to still replace. I got an i865 board that supports up to a 3.4 P4 but got a much cheaper and easy to find 3.2. 2 sticks of 512MB DDR400, a soundblaster live! 5.1 and a Radeon 9800 pro. I also have my old trusty Voodoo 5 5500 PCI for the glide games and DOS. An IDE DVD drive to free up the left over sata port, a floppy drive emulator and a 240GB SSD with a 2x120GB partition with windows 7 on one just to trouble shoot, get drivers, file transfers etc., and trim the drive (98se has full access to the drive as well so it can be used for storage for that as well). I have an old PCI wifi card as well, but that was more trouble than it was worth so stuck to the on-board lan. Though most importantly, I put in a beeper so I could get some idea of what was not working if it ballsed up.
This *Yeah!* song edit is so underrated
We’ve all forgot the second power supply cable & had a cable too short 🤦🏻the days
thanks foryour video. I am so thankful this time with windows98 is over. and all these hardware-problems are over as well (mostly). and even the disk failures are over thanks to samsung ssds.
Such a shit hard and software it was.
thanks for showing, made my day!
Damn! Great video but you just look so defeated at the end :( I would be too, but this is great content and I’m still looking forward to part 2
part 2 when???
My grandma heard you loudly say "big oof fellas" and i could feel her disappointment radiating from behind me.
You've got a few things going on, most of all, try getting away from a motherboard with onboard sound altogether and fit one of the PCI sockets with a Soundblaster. Second of all the 6800 in AGP was a bit odd. It was absolutely bottle-necked by the AGP slot but better late than whatever. It was mostly for those people who were really holding over/could not afford a motherboard with PCI-Express.
Admiration for trying...
I would keep up with it and find another one as it will kick the crap out of the next nearest neighbour which is your Radeon 9800 Pro. Just remember that you need both rails connected including the one to the GPU itself and make sure that your power supply is up to the task.
Some of those power supplies can have really weak 5volt rails which can damage video cards like that...
Keep us updated.
I’ve watched 3 or ur videos today and u have gained 1000 subscribers every time
6:38 Yeah I learned it from that infamous Verge vid...
*When you can't afford ultimate pc in current time*
And funny enough, older(I mean like 10 years) ultimate pc might cost you more
type that bold so everybody can see how stupid you are, kid
@@martincoufalik9101 ur saltuy
@@betagang300 Well, my context is, GPU prices are absurd so....i really hate these ritch boys spreading their knowledge about their fathers spending money...
Dug up one of those small Dell Optiplex 260 Pentium 4's. Though they came preinstalled with Windows XP, the hardware has official support for Windows 98. Finding drivers wasn't super easy, but after a day of frustration I got it to recognize all onboard hardware. Need to track down a low profile soundblaster live if those exist, as otherwise there is no MIDI playback in DOS games.
Loved this video! Sent me down memory lane
13:53 it says right there "This disk cannot be QuickFormated." Quick formatting was a thing back then.
I got windows 98 working on AMD Ryzen with AHCI, sound, 3D acceleration and 4GB RAM all native, no VM.
They didn't, it's a lie. It's not possible.
@@RaveCat3000 You can put Windows 7 on a Ryzen system but you can not put Windows 98 on anything newer than 2005 computers. I've been trying for years. There is no possible way. Anyone that claims to of done it is a liar.
@@RaveCat3000 256MB DDR4 sticks don't exist though, lol. Gotta love the *hold the camera 3 inches from the screen* type of stuff
@Dark It's called, limiting RAM in config.sys
@@Sabrinahuskydog The fact YOU cannot do it, DOES NOT mean its not possible.
I ran Windows 98 on my Toshiba Satellite A200 laptop, BIOS has a build date of 2012. All I had trouble with was a wireless driver, but my SDI pack found a compatable one and it worked OK. It was limited to 24Mbps though, even though my WiFi can reeach 1200Mbps. Everything else worked almost out of the box, the ONLY driver I had to install manually was the video card, and that was simple, it had found it, just not installed it ads the system needed .net 1.1 and 2.0 first.
Noice video! Thats a good build but...
Since you are trying to build the ultimate win98 pc, wouldnt it be better to use a newer VIA chipset? The drivers on boards like P5VD2 works great on win98 if im not mistaken, and you would be able to use some newer processors in it (more cores! Yay!).
Also, go for 2x 512mb sticks so you can have dual channel if you can.
Oh, yeah, I remember these times. Now I feel it like a real. It was a very nice "time-killer", when I was young. It was a damn good training on Win98SE-ME, that after than I was able to find a job as an Windows administrator.
I used to work in a computer repair shop back when windows 98 machines would still roll in on the regular. What you're going through was pretty much my day every day. Before even bothering with anything else, always ALWAYS run memtestx86 and test the ram entirely. If that fails, you're wasting your time. I'd even recommend running a CPU test if you have one. These machine had all kinds of hardware issues that wouldn't immediately kill a machine, but instead degrade it over time (faster or slower depending on the hardware failure).
isn't it strange that the video card stopped functioning while he filmed all this? could a hardware conflict of some kind cause in any way the card to die? if so that's terrifying... as much as I love my retro gaming I'm so grateful for modern computers and none of that crap anymore
4:34
Oh I found one of my ram stocks lol
I ironically have the same one
I'm certainly no expert, but I have a 6800 Ultra AGP and I remember putting a aftermarket cooler on it as it got quite hot :) My guess that's what happened to yours :) Great video, I always wondered what was officially supported on 98 I always thought the support for it ended around 2003 :D
Looking forward to part 2, great video keep up bro
Well, that wasn't very successfull! But on another note, at least I was entertained! :)
I really hope it isn't another year for the follow up!
I also have hyper 103 ...I have zip tied it to my am4 mobo !
I've been building Windows 98 PC's for retro gaming recently and I feel your pain. My most recent 98 pc was a high end Pentium 4 similar to your build. I had hardware and driver issues that I could have never imagined. My most successful build was a Pentium 3 Tualatin. Generally speaking, I find it's best to use hardware that was built when 98 (or ME) was still the dominant operating system, which is prior to October of 2001 when XP was released. Drivers and hardware had excellent support for 98 up until that time. Additionally, I stay away from the 6000 series graphics cards for 98, the driver support is spotty at best. Nvidia supported 98 as an afterthought. Plus, the 6000 series dropped support for table fog and paletized textures, which can be important for older games. I usually use a geforce 4 or fx series because of these reasons.
So this is a very interesting video and I do look forward to the next installment. A few things to note from someone who plays around with this sort of equipment a lot:
Ignore the onboard sound. Although the best Sound Blaster Audigy and Live cards may not be that cheap, most are and would be far better suited, faster and reliable.
Disable every device on the motherboard that is not going to be used - Windows 98 is better with IRQ's than earlier systems, but give it some help and turn them off.
I would not use an SSD. The lack of TRIM support, AHCI etc is going to make it underperform by quite a hefty margin and you will kill the drive. In practice, it is probably better to look for a Western Digital Raptor which would be both period correct and I believe for W98 actually equally as fast (much slower under XP etc)
I'm concerned at how many graphics cards you've lost, so try and check that PSU out. But meanwhile, have a look out for the 7800GS for which there are W98 drivers (I can send them to you if you want). The Gainward Golden Sample are the best cards as they often have 7800/7950 GT cores, but as they're so expensive, even a native 7800GS is faster than the 6800GT and in line with the Ultra I recall. Failing that, a 6800GT may be cheaper to get these days and had most the performance (speaking as someone who bought one new and still has it)
If you can find it, this board is compatible with W98 and supports Core 2 Duo www.asrock.com/mb/via/775dual-vsta/ - they're a little rare but probably cheaper than your Pentium 4 and my testing shows that no P4 can match Core 2 Duo
Good luck
You can use core 2 Duo and core 2 quads in windows 98 and still maintain compatibility
As he said, it wasn't so much the processor as the motherboard that supported it. He needed everything to be officially compatible so the chipset limited the CPU and other components available.
WRONG
@@zord0nTV he's wrong or l am? I know he isn't because lve certainly run win 98 on core 2 duos long ago.
Single core performance on an old operating system is most important. Still is today most of the time. That Pentium 4 should probably outperform the Core2s in gaming. I don't remember but I seem to remember that CPU being the gamers choice for quite a while.
Cyn Hicks core 2 duo has a much better IPC, I think if you check old benchmarks of core 2 duos they will outperform the Pentium 4, the core 2 duos where a massive jump in single core performance and consumed less power
yummy
yo what maths did you do in high school matt?
Try finding a Win98 compatible PCI sound card, and disabling the onboard sound card. The onboard sound chip may of failed. Verify you are running chipset drivers. If you have issues, running previous version may help. Also, I have found that workstation boards (or some server boards) will have more solid Win98 drivers than the desktop ones. Now I need to dig through my parts boxes and see what I have. Good video. Was fun to watch. Also, ditch the Bluetooth dongle... Win98 barely had USB, and Bluetooth wasn't even an idea until XP, so I don't see any actual use for it.
10:30 I couldn’t believe you also done that, my friend did the same thing, we spent hours “debugging”
*stares in horror as yet another CZcams video idea is done, almost exactly how I'm going to do it, by somebody else*......
Do it still? Doing anything based on that attitude will get you nowhere.
@@taylorwhiting1211 I guess my comment was slightly in jest, and I know, but still when you have an idea (although not completely unique), and some big CZcamsr does it for example, it kind of deflates you, and then for myself to do it afterward, I'd just feel like I was copying them, which I don't want to do. I suppose I should just say, "screw it" and do it anyway.
Now I feel powerful
I've been building my own high-end windows 98 system lately. Smoked a perfectly good 6800 Ultra with a faulty (mis-wired) molex cable. I know your pain.
As for your sound problem, you can't call it "Ultimate" with on-board audio. Get yourself a Sound Blaster Audigy 2 ZX. That is a phenomenal card for windows 98.
damn it i still remember my first computer when i was 13
Pentium 3 800mhz
Nvidia rita tnt2
windows 98 SE
Still remember my sleepless night playing Sims, Counter Strike, Half-Life deathmatch, Red Alert 2, Starcraft, Diablo 2, the Old Collin MCrae, playing PS2 games using PS2 emulator, n64 emulator, Quake, Unreal Tournament. Eventually the GPU died due to overheat but it lasted for almost 8 years! I even managed to upgrade it to Windows XP and played the NFS Underground but the graphic was all glitchy because the GPU didnt support it back then
Still remember chatting on mIRC. reading news at Yahoo.com.
Geez nostalgia hits me. Im 31 years old now btw
There are even cables with hdmi on one side and dvi on the other.
Thats true... I use one right now :)
13:31 What's the song in the background?
Huh, it's been a long time since I watched this video and dropped my first comment. Revisiting, I have some things to add and some to reinforce, now that I actually managed to make the ultimate windows 98 PC and have some knowledge with me:
In terms of CPU, I still stress the importance of using a core 2 duo based cpu. The Pentium E5800 is by far the best cpu you could get, and I stress that specific CPU because for motherboard, you will need one based on a 865pe/865g chipset (for win98 drivers!), and that chipset can only achieve an official FSB of 800; any higher, and that's an overclock. FSB 1066 CPUs are not recommended, as they constrict your ram tweaking options on these motherboards, but can be safely used in a pinch; if you want 1066 FSB, get a Pentium E6800 or E6500K; the Core 2 Duo E7600 also works, but clock speeds will matter more than cache.
For motherboards, the best ones for the job are both made by asrock: the 775i65g r2.0 or r3.0 (easy to find, micro atx form factor, only 2 dimm slots tho), and the conroe865pe (very hard to find, full atx form factor, 4 dimm slots!). I highly prefer the conroe865pe myself, as the 4GB of total RAM means you can boot Windows XP or 7 in parallel and do normal every day computing, if you ever so wished for some reason. But if you can't find one, just get a 775i65g! It'll still do a mighty fine job. And as for the Win98 RAM limit, just use the rloew patchmem utility; it was formerly paid-for software, but after his death, his family released all his utilities to be used for free.
For storage, you're pretty set, but without TRIM, that ssd will wear out slightly faster. However, there's a trim utility you can set up to handle this; that one's also coded by rloew. He did a mighty fine job with all those win9x utilities tbh, he even released a patch to solve the 128GiB LBA issue Windows 98 SE has so you can use large storage drives! Just chop the disk in 120GB partitions tho, defrag and scandisk kinda seize up if you give them partitions over 128GiB.
For graphics, the 6800 Ultra isn't the only graphics card you can choose. Do keep in mind the x800 xt exists! The last ATI Windows 98 drivers work perfectly with it, and its performance is even greater than nvidia's offerings. And of course, don't forget to pair it up with a Sound Blaster Live for the ultimate Windows 98 sound experience (with the vxd drivers of course, don't go with wdm drivers for 98!).
Outside that, I don't have anything else to say. My trek was a pain in the ass, but I did manage to get the ultimate performance Windows 98 machine. Now if you want compatibility on the side... that's a talk for another day.
I think that u need the monitors to have vga output, if not mistaken those dvi on the graphics card only accept dvi to vga signal.
The card doesnt boot, have you connected the power to it? Because theres to power leads on the front of the card and needs that.
Issues aside, nice vid :)
Congrats
17:17 sfc had a GUI?!
Those display adapters are directional, you can't convert backwards.
idk man, i have a dvi hdmi adapter that works both ways
@@jacobdaniels3246 that's not display port
I feel your pain with the sound drivers. I cannot get my Windows 98 machine to have routinely functioning sound. I'm pretty close to replacing the Sound Blaster Live card in there now with an Aureal Vortex 2, just to see if that works any better.
My machine is a _bit_ different though. I built a machine using ~~parts I had lying around~~ the last parts that could be reasonably expected to run 98, which I took to be around 2000. I've got a Pentium IIIS 1.4, a Voodoo5 5500, and 512 MB of RAM. I'll probably switch to a flash storage solution and get a new case, but I'm happy with what I've put together
Feel no shame, my friend, you have delved into a mystery I might have never thought of but SHOULD have! Lol