The Worst Reviews of the Most Famous Music Schools
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The mega long review isn't just "my son hates music now after going there", a better summary would be "the teachers are talented musicians but unprofessional and unskilled teachers" which is a valid criticism and basically the number one problem of any music, art, design, or fashion school. I would take that review very seriously, especially since she had this problem across 8 teachers of 5 instruments. It means the school is more concerned with employing trade talent than good teachers.
I agree, it sounds like their teachers are actually working artists and that's why they keep having to shuffle their schedule around. I know some schools advertise this fact as a good thing, that their faculty are industry people with real world experience, but this is the down side of it.
So my dad actually teaches at Eastman, so I don't know everything about it but I do know that ECMS is an abbreviation for Eastman Community Music School, which is basically a community outreach program where children and teens can take classes from qualified musicians who also teach at Eastman, and toddler classes and things are offered there. So it sounds like to me that the kid who took lessons from this teacher was a kid and not a college student like what the teacher is probably used to working with. However that doesn't excuse that teacher for being a bad teacher.
I go to Eastman and personally my professors are great. I guess it depends.. But overall my experience at Eastman has been nothing but awesome so far.
Sometimes the best teachers/instructors are the worst skilled players. I wish more people understood this.
I went to art school for a few years and out of all my teachers, I'm pretty sure only one had an actual licence to teach. The others were just artists. The difference was noticable, let's just say that...
Okay I paused to read the mega long review lol. She does have a point, it’s beyond annoying when instructors cancel last minute and change your schedule all the time. My current voice instructor asks for a different day and time every week and literally the only reason I’m able to accommodate that is because I’m an adult with my own car who’s self-employed. How the hell do her other students tolerate this??? If I were a parent and I tried multiple instructors and they all were like that and the school didn’t do anything about it, I’d be pissed too
I was trying to do that but I just kept pausing at the start and the end. Couldn't read the middle portion properly but I got the sense of her complaint. Eddy and Brett could have skimmed it, if their team thought it was interesting enough to include.
@@oxoelfoxo you can either hit spacebar really fast twice in a row (from paused to resumed to paused again) or you can use the . and , keys to go forward or backward frame by frame.
@@bobdagranny7431 thanks, techie granny! never heard of the comma and period keys, I just use left and right arrows and they move 5 secs, I think, which is too big a jump
@@bobdagranny7431 learned something new today. Thanks dude/girl XD
Teachers at the con i go to are like this too 🥲
The Berklee reviewer who was talking about dropping out wasn't lying. Berklee has an extremely low graduation rate, and I've heard that this is in part due to the fact that they let in a lot of people who they don't think can manage the education in order to siphon as much money as possible. That's why I wasn't surprised about the next review where they said Berklee asked for 30k out of nowhere. It's still a great school but be careful!
Yea I’ve heard that the classic Berklee story is to get in, form a band, and leave before graduating. You’re probably right about there money though because I think berklee doesn’t have the same kind of money as other music schools
Yeah, it's a cliche that Berklee students drop out when they get a job in music or a record deal.
Once you JIMIN you can’t JIMOUT
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Yes…BTS meme reference here~ but honestly it fits (not only for Berklee college…but some other private colleges too) oT^To
It definitely seems like the really successful people you hear about that went to Berklee didn't graduate, but I don't know if it's because they let people in who can't manage the education. Maybe it's changed in the last 20 years, but I had looked into Berklee when I was in high school and the entry requirements were pretty intense. I was told that I would have to attend a regular college for a year or 2 just to take the music theory and other requisite subjects that my high school didn't offer before even bothering to apply to Berklee
yeah, they have like a joke, that those who drop end up making it
Ahhh its 12am in Melbourne Australia right now and instead of sleeping to get up early for work and exam revision tomorrow I'm watching twoset violin. (PS totally worth it)
lmao me too, only at 1:37 am
and I'm here at 4:37 a.m.🌚
Haha, that's stupid.
Same time in Sydney but I didn’t watch it
@@dimes3967 nah today is Sunday because it’s at 12 am
You two should play the TwoSet violin kahoots. It would be funny to see you guys playing kahoots that ling ling wannabes made.
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YES THIS
a lot of the reviews come from singers because they're very *vocal*
Get out **swish finger**
@@myfyp2 😂😂
I like that comment! Of course, I was a Singer!
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@@moshimoxiei see you're a person of culture as well
**war flashbacks to the time juliliard became jaililiard**
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Do you mean Julliard became Jailliard?
@@ILikeBirds or jail yard
That was my "meow meow' review. Glad that you guys liked it! I enjoy your show as well! BTW, "meow meows" refer to those precocious young students!
Awwee that's so adorable, calling young students meow meows, much appreciated!!
Lol
Lol that’s so cool!
I thought there were cats performing
I’m an idiot.
that's creepy
To all the seriously aspiring young musicians out there: don't choose a school. Find a TEACHER. And wherever that exceptional teacher is, try to go there. I speak from personal experience. Institutions are NOTHING. It's the connection with a teacher who really knows how to be a mentor, that will take you the furthest.
Absolutely. But good teachers are hard to find. Great teachers ('maestros/maestras') are practically non existent these days (at least in the vocal category).
Seconded!!!!!
No kidding. Truly the institutions will give you grate resources and connections. But when you don’t know anyone, you can be put with a really shitty professor and basically be destroyed no matter how hard you try.
thank you for this message, i sometimes worried that i wont be playing in an orchestra, because theres no music college in my country and i just feel sad that i even learned the violin and piano :(, like i cannot even get a real job, and if i can, it will be hard to find it everywhere, but yes, what you said is true, your teachers will gave you like chances of joining a competition, and if you win, you might get like a big appreciation like those prodigies out there
I at some point agree with you! I think too, that having a good teacher you can work with really well is always more important than being at a famous school. HOWEVER: As being a bachelor student on the baroque cello, I did have to make a smart choice regarding where to go to study. When it comes to early music, it does matter quite a lot where you did your degree. For example an early music degree from the Netherlands, Basel or Paris will most likely get more appreciation than a degree from a austrian university, even if Austria has some damn good universitys (I'm austrian). But of course that is a very specialized topic and doesn't apply to the broad mass of music students.
The Berklee drop out comment refers to all of the famous musicians who dropped out and became immensely successful. John Mayer, John Petrucci, MCR, etc. part of the reason these people drop out is 1) the tuition is insane and the fewer years you go there the cheaper and 2) people encounter a lot of opportunities at Berklee that they can pursue by dropping out.
As a Berklee grad (yes, grad … so Berklee “failure” I guess🤷🏻) the thing about being more successful if you drop out is such a real vibe there! You always had an idea of who your most skilled/talented classmates were, and if they didn’t show up to harmony class next semester it was usually because they got hired on to be in Britney Spears’ touring band or something. So if you didn’t get an amazing dream gig by the time you walked across the stage … did you really succeed? 🤷🏻
Did those people quit college? Is that worth the risk? Wouldn't the degree help in the long term?
@@polarisgemini52 I mean, if you've got a job as a touring or backing musician for a decently popular artist, that's a steady amount of income. Plus it kind of proves that you're a capable musician since professional gigs are extremely competitive the larger the artist.
@@polarisgemini52 if its a really good gig its definitely worth it, most companies look for experience over degrees (although having a degree is usually the way to get your first experience)
@@polarisgemini52 wtf is a degree in jazz going to get you other than a job teaching jazz? musicians need experience and gigs under their belt. being able to put real hard provable successes on your resume and making connections in your circle of working peers is far far far far more valuable. in classical music, that pedigree might open doors. but it doesnt work the same for all kinds of music.
Wow I didn’t know that! Thank you for sharing your experience.
A quick PSA, since I've seen this mistake a lot in these comments and elsewhere:
Berklee College of Music is the famous, private music school in Massachusetts.
Berkeley is the famous, public University of California-Berkeley, all the way on the other side of the country.
They're both good in their own ways but are completely different schools.
Maybe these schools started out good and genuinely prioritised their students’ education, but somewhere along the line their ideals got corrupted and now they focus more on profit.
As is almost every school and university today, really (especially in North America). As someone who's seen the dark side, I tell you, it's all corporate business nowadays. If someone wonders why standards of education are dropping, well, they should maybe consider the entrepreneurial mindset being shoved at every instructor and professor's face. It's truly sad.
Apparently except for Curtis which is musician paradise or something.
@@gianellab.4953 I'm sorry, but when you say North America, did you really just mean the USA?
@@syntacticalcrab No haha I'm actually Canadian. I'm speaking from my experiences here!
@@syntacticalcrab Same in Mexico from my experience so there's all North America.
Vienna Art School reviews: “finally, a worthy opponent”
1 star: They reject me because I have a small moustache
@@heichan8657 thinking of going into politics next
MDW or MUK?
12:16 on top of the music educators, I think we also have to thank Twoset for their part in keeping classical music alive as well 😊 cheers to Brett and Eddy! ❤
As a former Eastman student, I have some comments on the two reviews:
- Yes, Kodak Hall is absolutely gorgeous. Most of the time it's used for the Rochester Phil and the larger ensembles, like choirs, orchestra, brass ensembles etc. - I'm a pianist so I performed in the smaller halls. Wish I could've performed in Kodak.
- The mom talking about ECMS is referring to the Eastman Community Music School - some Eastman students work there but it's not the same thing as Eastman School of Music. There are a lot of younger kids who take lessons there.
My experience with Eastman was amazing, I had very little complaints about the music faculty, they were all amazing. They even made Aural Skills fun (at least in Honors, I hear the regular Aural Skills is less enjoyable). The school organization itself I wasn't as thrilled about - the practice pianos all kinda sucked, some of the rooms need major maintenance, there was a few scandals involving professors and visiting artists, and of course it's super expensive - though all conservatories are nowadays. Still some of the most fun I've ever had, and by far the most I've ever learned musically.
several of the faculty at my music school got their degrees from Eastman and they are amazing teachers. It's a good school! Also, every school has pros and cons. I love where I went to school and I was trained well, but that doesn't mean that there wasn't plenty of bs to go around. Reviews are appreciated, but not every school fits for everyone. You really need to connect and communicate with people directly to know if a school is good for you
My music teacher went to Eastman and I went to Highschool in Rochester for a while. I’ve heard only good things about Eastman apart from the fact that it’s too expensive to go there :)
I do feel the importance of having a good instructor/teacher for music education. I'm not a music student but I started to learn piano when I was little but when I think back, I could not recall any positive memories regarding piano learning. All I can remember is being really scared to go to piano lessons every week and how I was crying and practicing on several of my birthdays because the grade exams were on the next day. After several years of not wanting to touch any instrument, I came across Twoset and started the violin. My current teacher is super encouraging and helpful, always give positive feedbacks but also provide useful suggestions and point out things to practice in a gentle way. I'm now willingly practice 2hr or more a day despite that I get off work at 7:30-8pm. I don't think I'll be able to keep my interest if it wasn't my teacher being so encouraging, so I'm super super thankful towards him! And also Twoset lol LOVE YOU GUYS!!
That’s dope! Keep it up
Yea I had a similar experience as a kid. Had an amazing first teacher who balanced constructive criticism and cheering on well. She then found a new path in life and the new teacher was not so good. She'd been a professional player and just took up teaching later. It was painful to realize that not all professionals are going to be good instructors. Ended up quitting later bc I just couldn't stand her anymore, no matter how much I loved my clarinet. Always wanted to take it up later in life, can hopefully do that one day.
@@shirokuro2559I hope you can pick it up again later with a good instructor to guide you! Best of luck!
@@kristopherwilson506 Thanks!
I feel some of that pain. Now, I didn't start taking piano lessons until I got to college. (My primary is guitar.) Got into a music program at a reasonably good school - not a conservatory, but a solid program with generally good teachers. I didn't have bad teachers...but what completely destroyed me was completely choking during the last non-major recital...it was treated like the final exam for non-piano-major students, so I think I ended up with a D that semester, despite doing well the previous semesters. I was a wreck. The requirement was only two years (4 semesters) of piano (at the time...they may have changed it), so I didn't take keyboard instruments seriously again until my senior year, where I learned my voice teacher also taught organ. Such a sweet man! He unfortunately passed away in the middle of that fall semester, and then I had another sweetheart of a teacher pick up where he left off. My keyboard skills were finally improving, despite the trauma of that recital.
Then, I moved to NYC for my Master's in composition, and the head of the department recommended an organ teacher. MISTAKES WERE MADE! The teacher he recommended and I didn't get along. He always made me so FRACKING nervous during lessons. Despite being prepared for every lesson out of fear, it would always devolve into him pushing a little harder than I could actually handle. One argument involved a scale in thirds and flexibility I just didn't have in my right hand from playing guitar with a pick for 20 odd years. It was torture! (Organ lessons did waive the requirement to take a piano proficiency exam, so small victory...I guess? Win the battle, but lose the war. lol) My one and only organ jury, my teacher was late, it was on an organ that was almost completely unfamiliar to me, and I did not have the warm-up time I was promised. It was an unequivocal disaster. It was in front of the head of the department chair who recommended this teacher in the first place, AND the head of the keyboard department! NOBODY was happy. That was 2015! It took me until 2019 to get the urge to take a whack at the Pifa from Messiah. Then, during the pandemic I learned that Prelude in C Major from Bach's WTC book 1! It made me so happy to make that progress! (admittedly, I have to thank my love of accordion...because without that, my keyboard skills probably would have atrophied past the point of no recovery)
Anyway, point being my keyboard journey has been a long and messy road. I still have a ways to go to undo the damage from those rather traumatic experiences surrounding keyboard instruments, but hey! Slow progress is still progress right?
...and maybe my experience doesn't sound traumatic to folks who are used to teachers who are pushy...but for me, the piano and organ has that baggage now which I am slowly overcoming. That said, I always did pretty well in my guitar lessons and my voice lessons. I don't think my guitar or voice teachers' expectations were lower. I just think that my last organ teacher and I weren't a great match. Nothing personal, but that student/teacher relationship can really make or break you. Oh well. You live, you learn.
For a bit of clarification, at 9:14 this review talks about ECMS, which is the Eastman Community Music School. This is a separate building and program from the Eastman School of Music, ESM being the proper conservatory for undergraduate and graduate students. ECMS deals primarily with teaching students in the community (mostly younger kids) and employs a varied list of teachers, including many Eastman students. I don't think there are many, if any, ESM faculty employed at ECMS.
6:23 - "g*po" is a slur typically used against Romany travellers, but also more widely anyone that's either perceived as being Roma or a member of a traveller community (such as Irish travellers). To some people, throwing the term around would be similar to throwing around the n-word.
TIL that g*po is short for g*psy. Didn't know that so thanks for pointing it out!
most of the gypsys i've met are super anti pc. they really don't care.
(not using that as justification or anything)
From the vague information I got from the articles relating to the event in question, where a lecturer used the word in notes sent out amongst students, there were complaints from a significant number of students, the lecturer was sacked and then received damages under wrongful dismissal. I don't think there's any reasonable justification for the way it was used in an educational context, where it was proliferating mocking stereotypes of players of different types of instrument. The employment tribunal didn't consider it to justify sacking when they weighed the details of the case.
You're welcome to your own opinion of who's allowed to say what. For any slur, you'll find varied opinions on how its received if you ask enough people from the targeted group. Just providing background for why the word got the response it did. I'd encourage people interested in more insight to google perspectives on the word, its use, and its background. It's not something I'd pretend to be a specialist on.
@@yaboi-km2qn same. Albeit, I've only met two Romani, a married couple. But I worked with the husband, whose name is Lucas, but no ever called him that. He told everyone to call him Gypsy. Seriously. I didn't even know his real name for the first two months of working with him, cuz he never wore his name tag 😅 (I only met his wife once, briefly, so we didn't talk much)
@@bideny2 in my country (and it's true for any European country basically) there is a huge gypsy minority in many cities, we call them gypsies, they call themselves gypsies, everyone knows they are gypsies and no-one gives a fuck. Some people really need to grow up and stop being offended by just a word, even worse, a word taken out of context. That's just stupid and childish.
Also censoring word "gypsy" is kind of offensive, like what is wrong with being a gypsy and being called gypsy?
I am sorry, but it is so hard to see these nice reviews about their unis. I am a first grade student in Lithuanian Academy of Music and Theatre. After three months of studying (I am choral conductor) I feel helpless and worthless. I don't want to go to my lectures bc I know that professors will bully me in some way or another. Even if they'll tell me I am doing good - it goes after a huge amount of mistakes, that they point. I don't have motivation to make music even tho I know, that I have skills (I made some nice projects and virtual choirs by myself, won the competition of conductors, I wrote few choral songs and I am a choirmaster in music school). I don't know how to feel and I afraid that someday I won't love music, like I did before...
That is not a good thing. Such a shame they do that to you. I suppose you have no other place to go but actually you should find a better place. It is hard to keep your self worth in such conditions. I hope you tell yourself every day what you have achieved and at what things you are good at. Don't let them steal your soul and passion. They are incompetent teachers.
I wish you all the best and hope to hear from you as a musician, conductor and composer soon!!!!!!!!!
I feel very bad for you. Teachers should lift and encourage their students. It's okay to point out mistakes, but they should also emphasize what you do well and inspire you. Making you feel worthless is not right.
Don't let them destroy your love of music. Find inspiration elsewhere if you can (TwoSet works for me). I don't know how things work in your country, but I think it would be better to leave that school and pursue music elsewhere than to give up on music completely. If you have to stay there, try to find at least one teacher or faculty member who can support you. Even if the others are all jerks, if you have one who is helpful, you can make it through. You don't have to have the best grades to get your degree, you just have to pass. Then, once you're in the real world, you can prove yourself.
Same thing happened to me and I stopped going after a few months. Was the first time in my life that I began to hate music. Was all just a kiss ass image booster for the professors looking for teachers pets, whether they could play music or not. They didn't even have to be interested in music to be a teachers pet. Music had nothing to do with it. Hideous environment for a serious musician.
If a teacher is ruining your passion and love for your music, I would say talk to an administrator about this. I wouldn’t suggest giving up on your school before you try and fix the problem. Chances are, other students may have complained about your teacher before and it may get them fired. Or the teacher may get this feedback from the admin and try to improve their teaching. If you feel they are bullying you and other students, please take it up to administration. No university should be a playground for bullies.
At my school, teachers were required to attend a lecture about how to critique another students work without demoralizing them. I had those teachers teach before they were required to attend that lecture, and they have made me cry in front of my class. After they took the required lecture (every year) I noticed they are much nicer to their students. Sometimes the teacher does not take in the fact that their students are human and trying to learn and improve. Sometimes the teacher doesn’t know they’re hurting the student’s passions instead of improving it. I don’t think my teachers wanted to make me cry, I think they were unaware of how to give constructive criticism.
Before moving to another school, I’d say talk to your school about this issue.
That is very sad, I am sorry to hear that you are feeling this way. Keep in mind that instructors point out mistakes because they are trying to help you improve. I know it can feel very depressing to hear. That is why as an instructor I always try to point out specific details that students do well on, instead of just saying "that was good" but not saying why. I agree with those saying to go to administrators and talk about it, rather than just giving up right away. See if you can fix the problem with better communication. Best of luck to you!
I can already see the rich kids complaining they couldn’t buy a grade and/or a win
If Twoset would open a Music School, the only bad review they'd probably have might be:
We always get told we don't PRACTICE ENOUGH!
And also maybe: That one headmaster always wants to play scissors paper rocks with us... And loses...
Twenty year's from now I'll remember this while reading the reviews.
For context, Roy Wang is an incredibly famous idol in China (about 83.3 million followers) who debuted when he was 13, and then went to Berkeley to study music. Those two reviews were probably fans who wanted to wish him luck there.
Yep he's in the boy group TFBOYS
Roy Wang is basically an anime protagonist, man's got two girls fighting over him
Roy Wang is a pop star, so, yes basically? xD
Young boyband pop star who debuted at age 12 I think? Looked him up because was watching a Chinese Singing variety show called Our Song and he is one of the participating stars who I know nothing about. Though I did not know that's his English name... I only realized who that is after Twoset showed a cutout of him in the vid 😆 Those 2 girls are most likely his fangirls.
Giving the fact that he's a celebrity, he definitely has way more than just two fan girls
he's actually a massive celebrity in china lmao, i think he's got like sixty million fans (not even kidding)
There might be at least 40 million tbh 😂 If you look at social media followers... 80 million... Am his fan for 7 years already
Singer here - thought I'd mention. Part of the reason why (classical) singers are the ones leaving reviews is because - due to the nature of the voice as an instrument - singers in music university or in Conservatoire tend to be older. :)
There are 2 different programs at Eastman, one is the regular School of Music which is the collegiate level courses and then there is the Eastman Community School of Music which is for elementary and high school students. The faculty, especially in the voice department, are incredible and Kodak Hall/Eastman Theatre - that big main hall - is spectacular and surreal to perform in along with the other recital halls.
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"Okay yeah julliard is way too expensive f that"
So, how do you rate TwoSet University?
Amazing University with 2 great funny teachers who never forget to tell to practice and awesome students who actually practice 40 hours a day. Along with learning about classical music we also learn how to spot fake musicians we also learn how to roast. I totally recommend joining this uni
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*chef's kiss*🤌
Currently enrolled there. What can I say? It's free, it made me want to learn and instrument and it makes me want to practice!
Free tuition, great dedicated teachers (who also know how to have fun) and a wonderful talented community 5 STARS!
It's a really unique place, the teachers and the community of their students are genuinly passionate about what they are doing. They educate you for free, even if you came here by accident and would never pass any entry exam, and it's so fascinating that you hope they will never stop.
dropping a thanks to twoset for the small comments they made for the college/unis. sure that some of us looking for a future music education will benefit from those comments from ur personal opinion & experiences c:
Okay I need help. Since the moment I discovered your Channel a few days ago, I can't stop binge watching your videos !
Seriously, you two guys are so nice, awesome and passionnate, it's a real joy watching you !
Kuddos from a French viewer.
Soyez le bienvenu! Sleep deprivation lies ahead! I mean it 3am for me now!!! And be warned, they may well inspire you to take up the violin!!!
Berklee Alumni here, the Berklee’s reviews are hilarious
To everyone wondering, Berklee does have classical music. There’s plenty of professors that teach classical music and have classical and jazz backgrounds. For example, my professor, for private voice instruction, got her bachelor's in classical voice and her master's in jazz voice. Another thing that might surprise you about Berklee is that in your private lessons, you’re required to learn some classical rep on top of your jazz and contemporary music. My voice final this semester requires me to sing one classical/traditional piece, one technical exercise, and one contemporary piece, and I’m singing Florence Price’s “To My Little Son,” Bill Evan’s “Very Early,” and Alicia Key’s “Good Job.” There are also legit orchestras, including the Berklee Contemporary Symphony Orchestra, which I got to sub in for an oboist, which was an excellent way for me also to keep being proficient at oboe. There’s also the option to cross-register for specific courses at Boston Conservatory, which is on the same campus. I’m going to leave it at this… Berklee is what you make of it. So far, I’ve had an incredible experience and have had or will have the opportunity to sing and play all of my instruments this semester (which is not something I never thought I’d be saying as someone who, in addition to being a vocalist, also plays violin, oboe, trumpet, and piano).
The comment about dropping out and graduating is true. I have plenty of friends who went to Berkelee, the ones that dropped out are the ones that were picked up by record labels and such. The ones that didn’t, well, I have no idea what they’re doing.
Can't wait to see the hit drama about the young prodigy Roy Wang who has to live a double life with two love interests whilst also attending music school
"Who leaves a review of their school?"
Me. I left a 1-star review of my high school because I couldn't give it the negative stars it deserved.
Boston has 3 world class schools of music. Boston University College of Fine Arts, New Englan Conservatory, and Berklee College of Music. Back when I attended the BU School of music (1975-1979), WE(BU) and the NEC used to look down on Berklee as inferior because they taught pop music.........
Exactly zero members of My Chemical Romance went to Berklee…🤔
AYE EDDY watch all the singaporeans & malaysians point out your "lah" 😂😂 it sounded so damn natural
What I learned is that a high proportion of music school students CANNOT SPELL FOR SHIT.
I also KNOW from personal experience that Two Set are 100% correct. The teacher can make all the difference. My first music instructor (private not school) made piano so boring and I felt like I was working algebra equations, not expressing an artform. Tedious, boring, slow moving. However a decade later in my freshman year of college, I had a teacher, Mr. Ron Doiron (hope u are doing great Mr. D!) who was a joy. He understood that music was a treasure and his teaching style reflected this. It was just a freshman Theory 101 class at a small county college but it opened up my mind as a composer and launched me into music when I transferred to University and a subsequent 20 years of playing in 4 different bands, a jazz ensemble/big band, learning to program EDM on a variety of platforms, and I still write and record on 4 different instruments (plus electronic music) to this day with ZERO plans to stop. My very first guitar instructor actually went to Berklee and he was fantastic too (Hi Lou!). But the guy who came after him (though supposedly very sought after in my area) was a total dud and I quit his lessons after a month because they were so UN-inspiring.
Still haven't found a good voice teacher to this day. It seems the workings of the human voice are elusive and mysterious, even to singers and teachers who like to take your money and pretend they are doing you a favor (bad bad experiences with teachers, as you can see).
All the letters they know are A-G, of course they can't spell.
Thank goodness for Twoset since I’m stuck in bed of surgery
get well soon!
And if you're new, you have an amazing back catalogue of videos!
Get well soon!
@@dorcasmalahlela2805 Was going to say the same... Weeks of back to back vid watching! Get well from me too...
@@oxoelfoxo Ty!
@@dorcasmalahlela2805 Ty! Been watching them for a while. :) Got torn acl reconstruction + meniscus tear surgery done
2:56 "Are you in Juilliard now? Are you guys watching this video?"
Idk if it's just me, but the look in his eyes showed that he's genuinely hoping that they made it to Juilliard 🥺
For context, "g*po" as a racial slur against Romani/Travelers. Not sure what context the professor was using it in though.
What relation to the word gypsy does it have? I haven't heard that version before
@@pakman184 It's a derivative of that word (which is also a slur). A lot of people outside of Europe aren't aware of that though.
@@pakman184 Same base word. G*po derivates directly from g*psy, just had an ending change (-psy was turned into a -po). Both are racial slurs.
Judging by the reviewer basically going "nyuh nyuh you're so bullied if you're not PC" I bet it wasn't fantastic context.
@@syntacticalcrab true true
I'm starting violin at a later age (16) but because of 2set, I still believe I can make it. I heard them say in a video that even if you start at 16 you can still go to music school, that gave me allot of hope. I have had allot of trouble with my future but I now know what I wanna do. My dream school is curtis. I'm going to pick up my own rental violin soon, wish me luck 🤞 :).
I was like that, too, when I was 16. Lots of likes but no one wants to be the party pooper, so I’ll do it: statistically speaking, you will *not* make it; but you’re going to try anyway; I did. It’s going to cause a lot of crying, stress and trouble until you will give up. This will hopefully be a positive learning experience for your later life, because life is a constant string of failures - which is hard for a teenager to understand, yet. It’s the failures that shape us and how we deal with them. I wish you all the best & there is a “life after music”. 16 (or now 17) is still very young, take some time and effort (!) and talk to people and google realistic profiles of jobs and what might interest you. That one choice you are going to make is not going to glue you in place, if you are scared of that.
Oh, and you don’t need to be a professional musician to enjoy and live music - took me way to long to “get” that. 👍
I think people really undervalue the importance of your instrumental instructor in music school. it’s important to choose the instructor over the school. I currently study at Michigan State Uni and it wasn’t my first choice but I love my professor and I wouldn’t have come here if I hated my professor. if you want to get better, you have to be able to work with your colleagues and professors, hopefully this will help people choosing schools!
This is really good, important advice. And when looking at the instructors, people also make the mistake of looking for instructors who are/were more prominent performers instead of looking for the instructors who are known specifically for their teaching skills and track record of successful former students.
Deep knowledge of the instrument and music in general is crucial for sure, but teaching is its own skill. The best teacher I had on the violin and viola was not the best performer I ever worked with, but he was the best at teaching and excellent at helping students become better at playing than he was.
Ugh. People who review schools without attending is just like all this food blogs I try to get recipes from. All the comments talk about how much they want to make the recipe instead of reviewing it. (I’ll never get into these schools so food blogs are the closet thing I can relate to -_-;)
These guys helped in soothing someone i've just had to say goodbye to. Rest in peace Felix
As a musician who spent her first year of uni in a school that discouraged me from pursuing music then found a school where my profs helped me to rediscover why I fell in love with music in the first place, I just want to say not to let one or two bad profs stop you from pursuing your dream.
Roy wang/wang yuan is a chinese singer, member of tfboys, and those are probably are his fans lol
Watching Eddy becoming a rap god reading long reviews > actual reviews
I didn't attend an actual music school but I got to be part of a overseas youth orchestra tour and was a music major for a couple years on scholarship. If any random TwoSet viewers read this who haven't learned an instrument yet- it's so worth it. Playing music for or with other people is some of the most wholesome and rewarding time you can spend with your life.
FYI Viola gang ;)
There's two problems in higher education - music school, University of other. One is the cost (if in the US) and the institutional inability to do what is necessary to control costs while paying instructors what they actually deserve (wages are horrifically low.)
The other are the expectations of students. Expecting the education to lead directly to a career is a good way to fail. It usually leads to students who miss the intellectual and creative enrichment education offers. Expecting not to have to work hard - much harder than you did in high school - is another surefire way to fail.
- a college professor.
4:38 the “lil meow meow” nickname has really come a long way. only the real ones know 💜
I go to the junior Royal Academy, and I'd agree that the atmosphere is lovely! The teachers are dedicated and passionate anout music, and you can tell when they teach! Also, people from all backgrounds attend and are welcomed! I think it's great :)
also elton john did indeed study there haha
Going to junior academy next year!!! Really excited!!!
i left a 1 star review for my school once. worth it, since it was a horrible school. BY THE WAY THEY FOUND OUT IT WAS ME
Me to my uni:
⭐️
_I will never recover from this experience_
kind of off topic but do you make an effort to comment in every twoset video/short bc i swear i see you in every single one 🤨🤨/pos
@@laura-rr3mm oh, i’ve been following for a few years hehehe really a committed fangirl ig 😆
@@justary_9790 ohh okay :0 i’ve been watching them on and off since like 2019 so 😵😵 good on you tho
I feel like they should read “rate my professor” reviews online lol
Time to start my day off right with a hefty dose of TwoSet
TwoSet: Why are you reviewing a place you've never been?
Also Twoset: I heard Curtiss is really good.
;)
at least they're not giving a star rating
Well, since they personally know two very famous Curtis graduates, what they've "heard" is probably more accurate than general gossip anyone might hear.
@@elissahunt Certainly more accurate than "I took photos of the building and had a coffee 5 stars" :P
The really good students at Berkeley have so many gig opportunities that often quit school and go to work.
*Berklee. Berkeley is a completely different school.
ooow I feel so warm after finishing this video. I'm going to try to get into a music school this semester and my dream was always to be a music educator. it just feels so nice to somehow have that support from you guys and to know people who love music just as much as I do. thanks for being such an inspiration. I'll go practice now.
Bro I’m so glad u two had a good experience with the Conservatorium in Southbank, but as someone who went to another Griffith campus for a different degree my life for 4 years was an absolute nightmare. I have been going to therapy for a whole year because of that university lmao and even the therapist is shocked at how bad they were. The only thing that makes me happy is sharing a University with epic violin youtubers
Understandable tho. I wouldn't leave any reviews about my school either. Praying to LingLing for all the kids having dream schools, y'all are in for a ride
Gypos-a derogatory term for Romany community/gypsies/travelling community in u.k.
No that's gypsy. Not gypo.
@@sanxxxx P Heart is correct. It’s a slang (derogatory) word for Gypsies.
I always watch with subtitles on, but rn i realized that this video has autogenerated, and i got confused.. took me long to realize that ive been binge watching twoset so much i didnt realize i clicked a new video
Today's my birthday. thanks for the savage gift TWOSETVIOLIN!!!
To explain the Berklee comment, Berklee likes to take popular up and coming musicians and give them scholarships to go there so they can boast about all of the "great players who have gone there" (note gone there and not graduated there). So that comment is just pointing out the countless times people have gone to Berklee only to drop out after like a year because their career started to take off without the school
I graduated from Curtis and worked there for 7 years. One star.
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Is it really Free? No complaints though. 😏 Many famous musicians from that school!
@@janie7242 There really is no tuition at all, but students still have to pay for housing, so it's not 100% free.
I can attest to how important a good instructor is. A few years ago, I went to Blue Lake Fine Arts camp in Michigan to play piano, and I had such a blast because all of my cabin mates were great, the other piano players were great, but most importantly I had an incredible teacher who was very kind and gave very good constructive criticism. It was so good I knew I had to go back next year, and so I did. This time, a lot of the people were still really nice, but I just had the meanest, harshest teacher, and it seemed like after every lesson I would be in tears, and she would always give me seemingly impossible goals. I didn't do nearly as good at the concert at the end (we spend a week and a half learning one piece to play at a concert) as I did the first time, and then when my parents met her she acted like nothing was going on, despite how she treated me was bordering on verbal abuse. The worst part is that, near the end, I finally couldn't hold it in anymore and I broke down during one of the lessons and told her how I felt, and she even apologized, but then nothing changed after that and she was only remotely nice for that one lesson. It completely ruined my experience of the camp because every day I would end feeling broken and stressed out of my mind.
I have been playing violin for almost a year and I don't know how but it really helped me at school. Thank you twosetviolin for always telling me to practice 😁😁
I stopped playing the violin when I was 9 years old because of the teachers. I had two, the thing is they always arrived late and left early. And never really explained how to play the violin. One of the teachers shouted at me. I mean, I was 9.
It's pretty sad, because if I had continued I would play good.
I recently gave the violin a second chance because of two set, I have a great teacher, she is really patient and explains everything really good.
You gave me the idea to go searching for the reviews of my music school Música Creativa in Madrid (37 years old music school), and they are, in the majority, good ones. I left mine as an actual student of there, cause I felt a review would be useful from my experience.
Elton John did go to the Royal Academy of Music as he was a prodigy.
The comment saying it's better if you drop out of Berklee than last long enough to graduate is probably commenting on how a lot of really successful people who went there got signed by a label before they finished school :P
so nice to see you both more smiley and happy, wishing you both the best!
You can tell via Twosets reactions they're gonna be triggered, just like in that "Nephew Situation" in their video "Mother ignores child's needs"
RE the first Royal Academy of Music review; "gypos" (pronounced jippo's) is British slang for the slur "gypsies". It's not an acceptable word in this day and age but some of the older boomer tories use it and are like "you kids are too PC these days" etc
That is just how much college costs in the US if you don’t get amazing scholarships or only go to small non-private schools.
Hmm, i wonder what they'll do at November 17....
OGs only knowwww
i'm more annoyed by the fact that people leave reviews for these places without EVER HAVING GONE TO THEM
Especially self proclaimed child prodigies
Eastman is so fancy because it was founded by a prominent monopolisy the early 1900s (George Eastmam of Kodak). The school also shares that hall with the RPO (Rochester Philharmonic Orchestra).
51K USD automatically makes that particular education inaccessible to so much talent.
I like how you're looking for positive reviews, you guys are such good people. Keep being yourselves guys, you're real humans ❤️
Imagine twoset made a school where you train music through lingling challenges
Me: where do I send my application
200,000 dollars?! That’s like, 200 time my violin…
Julliard is a prestigious school with, wonderful location, above the NYC music library, next to the NYC culture center area ( Lincoln Center, Met Opera house, NYC ballet center). Great investment! 😍 IF YOU CAN GET IN! If you are so talented, then you will obtain a full scholarship! $200,000 is the average tuition to study in a great school in the USA!
@TheCartoon94 Dabs No, it’s the oligarchy in the US that makes us think that this should be the new normal. The US college/uni system is so corporatized it’s ridiculous. I went to a ridiculously overpriced school for undergrad ($52k/year) and it was more about living some ridiculous stereotype of “college” life with pretty dorms and good dining halls and nice facilities. Parties every weekend. But I pay around $2000 a year for a 2nd degree in Montréal (Canada) and my education is comparable. The division of the classes in the US is growing larger, and even “public” universities are exorbitant. Education now means years of debt for most. It’s really sad.
To anyone who wants to read that super long review they skimmed, I am crazy enough to transcribe so that you don’t have to pause scum.
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Teachers don’t understand children and are flakey. I do not recommend ECMS to anyone and here is why:
My son has taken lessons as ECMS for over a year and attended the Eastman at Keuka camp for the past two years, in addition to other summer camps. He plays multiple instruments and takes many classes so he has come into contact with many teachers.
Eastman instructors, with the exception of one who is also a teacher at SOTA, are very skilled musicians but lack social skills, teaching skills and general understanding of children and families. They don’t communicate effectively to either students or parents. Sometimes they don’t communicate at all. I’ve dropped my son off for lessons multiple times only to have my son scramble to find a phone to call and ask me to pick him up because his instructor didn’t show up. The woman who directs Eastman at Keuka camp has been incredibly rude to me on multiple occasions.
The private lesson instructors (we’ve had 8 because my son plays so many instruments [5]) cancel lessons at their whim, last minute, and sometimes for reasons that I find unacceptable (one told me she had her period and needed to cancel, others include going out to town to visit family, or just needing a day off). The grad students give the impression that they don’t take teaching seriously as a job. They act like, “well, I wanted to go to the beach Saturday so is it okay to reschedule?” As a parent, this upsets me because I make mu son commit to practicing and attending and I make plans according to the date we agreed on.
When I’ve contacted the main office about this I get told, “yeah, we know this. Some are very talented musicians but lack soft skills…” as if that’s an acceptable trade off. I strongly discourage anyone from taking lessons at ECMS. My son, who used to love music and really gave it his all this year and last is growing to hate music because he has had poor role models.
Maybe instead of paying 200k for 4 years of school it is better to buy a Vuillaume, and practice on it for 4 years! 😂
Me go to Queensland Conservatorium Maps and searching Twoset review, and got told I am not practicing. 😂
Haha, I did that too 😂
AMAZING!!!!!
That hall in Eastman is nice! They even have smaller halls which are also lovely. I live like 10 minutes from Eastman and they always have great concerts for the public.
I met a lot of former berklee students and I was surprised, I even met a guy who got accepted there but didn’t even know the circle of fifths. The students that are really good there were already good players before, but it’s true berklee has become extremely commercial and it’s not worth the prize anymore
circle of fifths.. that's where a group makes a circle and shares a 5th of vodka right?
Wait really??? I'm auditioning in January TT💔
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Bumping this!
Yaaasss! You mentioned Colburn, where I went! Love Colburn, that was an awesome amazing music school!!!
As someone studying in a conservatorium with both a classical course and a modem course the vibe is so different between the two sets of people as represented by those reviews
I bet the "You are not practicing" comment would be the most helpful review very soon
It's 72 now lol
Now it's 709 😂
And the next "most helpful" reviews are "Here's where Brett and Eddy became linglings" (79) and "twoset nice" (46), all from 2 months ago, meaning around when this video was posted.
Off topic, but the reason I became a trained opera singer instead of a violinist like I always wanted was because of the unfortunate fact I have physiological dyspraxia (shit motor skills caused by having an underdeveloped cerebellum), so I am incapable of doing the bowing whilst doing the fingering. I still wanted to do music, and have always had a voice perfect for projection. Got trained by a former WAAPA opera instructor, and she really turned my loud but unrefined voice into something I feel proud of.
I live in the same city as Eastman and have been blessed to perform with choirs in that beautiful hall many times. It is absolutely amazing!!!!
I was taking Sax lesson (in Los Angeles) from an old Jazz guy who amongst his many jobs played for a studio in Hollywood. During one of my lessons he stopped me and said "I feel bad taking your money" cause I was so bad. No Joke. I was not offended because I don't have much talent and really enjoyed just hearing all his stories from touring with big bands in the 1930's and 1940s.
Someone made an account with the name and picture of one of the heads of our school to make a 1 star review that said, "my school kinda sucks tbh."
Eastman is great! If you ever get traveling again, be sure to come here to Rochester, New York, and play in the the beautiful hall. :)
I look forward watching your fun and uplifting videos. I’ve been listening to Paganini #24 for the first time in years. ♥️🙂😎
I loved my time at Juilliard. I had to take a break because of the pandemic but I'm definitely planning on going back to finish what I started.