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I want to build a family where we all grow together join here discord.gg/B5Hwyr8hZb To clarify this video is talking about pc ONLY and is not a complaint video I’m giving the reason why some people think this way about it.I don’t give af about aim assist. Listen to what I said and you’d know that
Yeah don't listen to them man these aim assist mf don't know what true hard earned aiming skills from Mouse raw input. They will always try to reason that MnK players are gatekeeping or elitists or something when all we say are 100% facts. You earned a sub man.
Yeah, that's facts. They don't care about balance or what's fair and what's not. Plus, I'm willing to bet most of the devs play on roller because they're dogshit. So, they when they queue up with people like Mande, they can look like they're doing something.
@@nev784I could say the same about Console … we can’t put mods and cheats on a controller but you can put that in your pc … foh even with aim assist you still have and advantage with your whole palm
I dunno, when I'm sweating, yea, it sucks. But when I play with my friends and we're all laughing and having fun, that's when you realize why crossplay exists. Most of my friends are not sweats and play console only. It's the only way we ever got to play FPS games together.
This is true I am from SEA and I mostly play in Tokyo Servers and sometimes I randomly get teamed up with JP streamers most of them are pros. I only started playing Apex on 2022 and has 600+ hours, I don't like controllers on FPS games so I only play MnK my aim is not that bad but not good either I only get 5-8 kills on average and these random streamers can get fricking 20+ kills so I go to their streams and turns out most of them use a controller. Anybody who doesn't believe is free to say skill issue but there is no denying the fact that the controller AIM assist on this game is OP especially at mid to close quarters. I even tried playing with a controller though I suck at it (might be because of my bad usb controllers) I can definitely see the aim assist improved my spray control and tracking better and it's smoother meanwhile if I am on MnK I'll fricking miss all the time especially if the enemy is a movement player. PC Apex should have an option to toggle input based match making because this is dumb that the console has cosplay toggle yet PC version cannot.
@@RoodyRoo for real. The killcams not showing visual recoil/shake like it does in spectator mode really gives you a good look at how sticky aim assist is.
Bro mix tape is full of cheaters with illegal movement on controller they specifically target mnk players too idk how they know ome octan killed me like 40 times in control i counted!!!
The solution is Gyro Aim. Even if they nerfed it to .15 (rotational AA) which is what the modded servers have found to be an appropriate amount it would still be inhuman. Gyro Aim is Raw Input and so it creates a way for controller to aim as close to M&K levels of precision as possible.
@@crescentmoon256 don't be retarded. Not everyone wants to grind the game. There are casuals who hop on every saturday who don't want to delete the game just because they are unnable to track a mf wall bouncing and tap strafing at 100mph all over their screen.
I think a split gyro controller would be the best design imo, kinda like how a wiimote would work with the left thumbstick controller.. only difference is that it wouldnt suck to aim with like a wii remote would, then it would bridge the gap between controller and kbm and get rid of aim assist all together.
@@LostLinguine The only problem with that at the moment is all the current split controllers have horrible gyroscopes compared to the duelsense and alpakka. If someone released a good split controller with touchpads and gyroscopes on par with the above controllers then I'd be down to try them out.
Bro ,I had no idea about the rotational aimassist bs. I'm a hard-core controller player but I didn't play apex and didn't understand why everyone started getting dramatic about it lately and to top it off ,I didn't understand why I couldn't aim as well (because I was fighting the rotation in the aimassist) thank you. Also ,is there a way to turn off rotational aimassist while keeping normal aimassist?
Yes Its broken, I played 4 years on Roller not because I wanted to but because I needed to, and me having no experience with a roller in any FPS, actually hating FPS with roller I was 1 clipping the first week I played, any roller who says otherwise is coping. Solution input based servers MnK vs MnK Roller vs Roller A mixed mode for the ones who dont mind it Allow consoles to have MnK to have more than just PC MnK and force PC rollers to play against Console rollers.
Controller is underpowered (lack of moving and looting a box, lack of tap strafing, etc), AA is extremely overpowered and broken. Lower the values to .15-.2 and give them moving in a deathbox, and revisit the problem in 6 months. Or keep the same values and give mnk reduced flinch in gunfights.
A guy that knows what hes talking about finally, pc roller can do legit everything mnk can do atm with help of configs (some should be bannable). They need to put pc aa to 0.2 from 0.4 and console to 0.4 from 0.6 and see how it goes honestly
@MasterMeow I used to have a gpu that was so bad that I got around 50-60 fps in game, where was my aim assist? (I also started on console) that's when I first moved to pc
@@mastermeow1582 I honestly would be happy if they took rotational aim assist from you, lol. I would play on 60 fps all day long if I could get rotational aim assist from that xd.
@MasterMeow "Give me 120fps waaa". At least consoles are optimized for gaming. Windows is so bloated nowadays and Apex is so poorly optimized, the game feels weird/choppy/stuttery unless you play on 240hz/300fps or 360hz/300fps with 5-10 ping which is unrealistic for 90% of the players.
@@Divinity_vA you act as if ps5 is perfect when certain abilities drop my frames to the 30s or shadows stuttering as I run by. Sure consoles are optimized for gaming but apex is not optimized for consoles. When I want to reload but instead open a door for the enemy it does Throw you for a loop. If your fighting behind a knockdown shield you cant fast reload you have to empty your clip or else you’ll go for a res mid fight. Oh man there so much more but honestly all I really want are the frames man.
What no one talks about is that 4/3 classic on pc and 4/3 classic on console is completely different lol I'm console so playing 4/3 classic or linear is entirely too slow for anyone. The equivalent of 4/3 classic/linear on pc for console would be 5/4 classic/linear. I don't want to get into all of the crazy tiny details because that's entirely way too much to type but that's just my 2cent lol
They are the same values and acceleration, its just on console you're on 60 fps and locked vsync with no vrr makes it so the response times are slow = perceived slowness, thats why linear is more difficult on console
the biggest issue is with how much visual clutter there is in this game, it doesn't matter how good your mouse tracking is when you can't even see the target clearly. meanwhile aim assist works through all that visual clutter so it doesn't matter if the roller player can see you clearly or not, they're still going land their shots.
dont nerf the intensity nerf the reaction time for aim assist to kick in cus like since the average reaction time is 250 ms and controllers ive heard is 0 ms
Fair enough, def a problem if majority of the player base and pros are switching. I play controller, more specifically console as its what i grew up on, since PS1. I dont foresee myself getting a PC as im a casual gamer. Trust me, you can literally get 1 clipped by a bot who you can see defs did not put much time into the game, i think thats a problem.
i play at singapore, no controller yay, BUT i met worse. Aimbot bro. Even mixtape - every 2-4 games it met a cheater. Sometime 2 in the same fcuking game for god sake. And a huge mixed of high ping players that had no choice for example play singapore server from India (EA's fault). That make the game suck as it plays so different when you have good ping players, vs a huge mix of high ping players, to get consistent shots.
The shit we see on Singapore and HK server too, every mix tape game has a MINIMUM OF 2 FK BOTS!!! HK Server is worse and almost IDIOTIC in the morning. Team Death match, i met 7 BOTS, with Only 2 real person from my team including myself, and 1 real player from enemy team. Holy shit the state of APEX here.
There is only one solution, even 11 months later, to this problem. Give MNK players aim-assist free lobbies. Don't separate MNK and controller, just make it so that you can play in lobbies with no aim assist, that's it.
@@cSimplicity_ look when he move behind that wall, somehow he strafed left and right without even touching the ground. I can do that but never strafe as far
Anyone who says that having movement is bonus for MNK is delusional. You spend countless hours just PRACTICING to do the tech, not to mention you can actually do it under pressure in Respawns awful servers compared to some 13-35 year old who decided too use his xbox controller. It takes no skill to use a controller, there's practically no learning curve they are made for anyone to pick up and use within a day or two. I've played on console alll my life till maybe 3 years ago and playing Apex makes you feel like mnk is a waste of time for this game.
your video motivated myself to give controller a try. not because i am planning to use one but i wanted to experience it myself. haven't used one since season 2 on xbox. it is totally nuts. i beamed the sh!t out of people. especially at 5-25 m or something like that. that just shouldn't be possible. especially for "new" players on an input.
Someone should just put a touchpad instead of the right stick on a controller. That combined with gyro will make controller as good as mnk without any need for aim assist
aimassist is the reason why i stopped playing apex competitively after 5k hrs. im still sad because i love apex - but i just cant anymore.. ^^' i mean i played roller myself and it works but its no fun for me :(
I have tested the controller 🎮 in the order to see how to make on some mekanics in my own game. And the first thing I done it's to Chenge the button layout on apex in controller's. The default button layout is horrible on controller I don't know how people play like this. 😅 The add the jump button on the left solder the ability on the right solder The run wean you press the left stick, And the use/reload on the A button I also make to Chenge weapon wean you press down arrow on the dpap. In that way I have the most stuff always in my hand and the stuff I don't do all the time on face button's. Enway what is your segment for aim assist im working on mulpayer fps game that i will have controller support seen my game have the option to play up to 4 player's with split screen That means wean you play split screen at least 3 off the 4 player's need to use controller's 🎮, I also want the split screen system to work wean you play online or lan game. (Even if don't add aim assist play with 4 people are better for not paying at all however like you already know play with controller with out aim assist with player's that mice you have manger disadvantage because stick are way worse for aiming)
The problem with aim assist is that it has to be strong enough for casual player who might only play games occasionally can jump on and still have fun, however this one fits all solution can become extremely abusable by players who have developed the.motor control to be somewhat precise with the sticks. Apex has a high TTK so good tracking is very rewarded. However it does lead to a very limited console 'meta' where close range spray weapons dominate. Honestly, on Xbox i very rarely get killed by a wingman, snipers, marksman rifles etc. I mostly het killed by a squad overwhelming yiu with smgs wtc. Console Apex has always been get close with full auto weapons. I dabble on PC as well and you get beamed mid range much more, where on console yiu can just rush swuad rush teams over open ground.
Controller is busted… it makes people good. You just need thumbs they don’t have to be good thumbs 😂. I’m on controller, just being honest. I play on console ands everyone is good unless you in bot lobbies where they don’t shoot their gun. I played on MNK it takes too much skill and practice.
higher fps doesn't make you better at the game. In fact it makes it easier to hit multiple different movement techs. You saying this just proves that you don't know what you're talking about. Not to mention, even pro players with setups *significantly more expensive* than 3k switch to roller. How do you explain that?
You are dense, PC players rarely play against console players and they are talking about the guys who are still mostly play controller on PC. You guys like to use this lame excuse to keep your advantage and not everyone has a 3k set up.
@@SomeCookie-gs1oy "fps doesnt make you better" thats such bs if can see faster and react faster with higher fps than you defenitly play beter because the higher fps also pro players switch to controller because everybody else is doing it a controller doesnt make you atomatically beter maybe ur aim improves a bit but at the cost of reaction time and movement
hot take aimassist as a whole isnt op the only things that make it op are the 0ms reaction time and AA through screen clutter like sand, snow, explosions, fire ect...
Me being in pc lobbies 24/7 as a console player yes I can admit aa is pretty strong but is it stronger than everything else you can do on pc all together? Not even close 😭 I try to shoot my gun at a pc player all he does is go the other way with a tap strafe n boom I jus miss a whole mag yk why cuz tap strafing is broken moving inna death box is broken n also the shi you can do on mnk/pc is so broken. There are roller players out here thinking there good cuz they got configs wit strong aa n every feture of mnk (moving while looting tapstrafing ext) but nah that’s is even more broken n I mean what’s the point you should jus be the best player atp
sorry bro but ur just bad at the game then.. when someone is tap strafing away from ur crosshair or doing movement techs, they are either not shooting at you or have to really be amazing at aiming and play with 1-3-1 mouse grip to be able to jump+strafe while shooting at you (thats where the neo-strafing and other movement techs come in play) - but this sh*t is so rare because its insanely hard to do and you have to really put in work to master it.. for example look at xzylas - guy has thousands of hours in apex and a huge % of those hours is just mastering movement, meanwhile a casual player can just pick up controller and play for a few days and destroy half the mnk lobby.. so, yeah, back to what ive said first, ur bad at the game bro its the harsh reality ull have to face (im not good either), when u start shooting at the guy and he starts moving crazy not shooting back at you, you dont have to empty your whole mag into air bro LOL... either wait for a good moment to start shooting or take cover until u get a good opportunity idk what to tell you but him moving and strafing away wont kill you..
@@dzopix fs not bad at the game i destroy my console lobbies and some pc lobbies but on a controller isnt much u can do when someone is strafing back n fourth neo strafing shooting with 80% aim with the 10000% movement they got.
@@dzopix n waitng to shoot is never good n u cant jus get behind cover n try to get away especially when its a neo strafing octane chasing u. them is jus the facs they claim .6 is better than .4 by alot when ive played on both and .4 feels alot better close range really no difference mid-far .4 feels alot better so aa atp tbh .4 is better from mid to far and pc n mnk want controller aa to get nerfed when its the only thing keeping it semi fair which its still not but yeah .6 is better up close yes but not by alot .4 still sticks on n i've heard some say mnk should get .6 aa upclose like what tap starfing to flicking lootng in boxes n just moving faster in every way and smoother gameplay plus more up close aa whatttt. but aye ig .2 aa more which is really not any different fixes all of that n when mnk players was only picking bang n digi threat to block off all aa in smoke yeah it got bad
You know bro. There will still be some lollipop sucking roller creatures who'll say "OoO YoU haVe tHE whOLe arM, Go crY sOMewhEre eLSe aND seems like SkiLL issUE OmG git gud". But still man you hit good shots on roller even if it was your first day❤❤. Keep the great content coming man😊. Am joining the discord.
Yes, aim assist is great on controller but movement and beaming is way harder I don’t care what you say. I’ve played both. Mnk players just have a natural affinity to bitching online that’s why all you here is “ wah he was on controller”
nah its a real thing. i can link you dev conversation and interviews or just google it bro. they want you to feel good/low skill gap so you play and give money
Yeah sure but getting used to a controller is easier especially with the aim assist so in theory a roller player with a good gaming sense will definitely obliterate your average MnK player. Like bruh with MnK it's not only the game sense you are working with you will actually have to train your muscle control (arm, wrist, fingers, shoulder) without aim assist only raw input and it is actually harder than most of you controller players think but with a controller the aim assist almost do all the smooth aiming and tracking for you. I tried playing with a controller and it is night and day compared to MnK the aim assist is unfair but I still prefer MnK because I am more oriented to that. Not against console or controller players but let's be real aim assist in apex is broken and the only solution is to have input based match making I don't even care if I get longer queue times.
People saying "oh so it is ok for pc players to cheat and use AA but we shouldnt have AA?" Idiots if i was cheating i wouldnt have nagged about it. I think controller players who defend AA are the same people who would cheat on m and k
When i jump in a game with my PC buddy and play in PC lobbies, its a tougher challenge due to people having good movement and the punishment you get for making one mistake . Once i play in console lobbies it's easy to get wins.
@BIGO559 exactly.. PC has every advantage on Apex but cry because roller has like 0.3 aim assist because we are only using our thumbs while they use their whole arm along with key binds to pull of crazy movement with a flick of a finger. Lmao
@@Crizzward im a mnk player and i get frustrated a controller players cuz even i tried pickin up a roller and it was the easiest thing to beam people with. but i felt like it was cheating so i went back to mnk.
I’m so tired of people still on this topic it’s actually so annoying but funny at the same time, if you complain about controller you are on PC plug in a controller 😭💀 n no you can definitely not do the movement you can do on pc on roller especially on console. You tap strafe once n it completely unlocks aim assist n can make a enemy miss every bullet you can move while in death boxes while moving wit a whole arm we have 2 thumbs 😭 pc players still get aa so what if it’s .2 stronger oh my you get aim trainers n you can learn to do so many things on mnk to smooth your aim. Quit complaing it’s so annoying bro stg n maybe all the top players are roller cuz they put in the work mnk players needa stop wining n get a life
u wrote 2 almost word for word comments xd I regret i even took my time to respond all that sh*t on the other one of ur comments jesus christ ur iq is really low i realize that now
Yesss clearly the input more suited for an fps is clearly better??? Y do people try to force mnk n cry about it. 90% of every single fps game is designed for the player to on controller. Go play overwatch or CS. Games designed around mnk
so your point is just bcs there are games where you cant play controller, there have to be games where controller massively overpowers mnk? people love apex, I love apex, its my favorite game and its getting destroyed by controller meta so ofc people are gonna cry about it
The issue that you and many people have is understanding averages, stats, data, etc. It's a condition that afflicts millions of people around the globe, so don't feel bad. When you look at the data from every skill tier, hours played, time on input, etc, controller consistently outperforms MnK players. What you want to see is parity. If you take the data from 10,000 controller players with under 1000 hours played and see that they average 1.25kd, and you take 10,000 MnK players with less than 10000 hours played and they average 0.75 KD, there is an issue with input balance. Similarly, if you completely removed aim assist, you'd see something like that same set of MnK vs controller players data flip. MnK would be all 1.25 kd averages and roller players would be in shambles with sub 0.5 kd. And that's not correct either. Respawn's lead devs have said publicly they have looked at the large datasets they have had from season to season and are not happy with how much controller players are outperforming MnK. And every pro player agrees it's an issue. This isn't really up for debate. It's just an issue that needs to be fixed.
i have no words for your lack of iq bro honestly.. i dare you to play for a full month on mnk against rollers and ull change ur mind or ur ego wont let u change ur mind.. one way or another, rotational aim assist is op in apex and thats a fact... ill give u 2 things to think about before you actually comment something stupid like this again - 1. mnk players that want to improve have to practice aim (kovaaks/aimlabs/etc) EVERY DAY - and then they will still lose 1v1s to an average controller player 2. why would any pro player with more than 5k hours on mnk apex just randomly switch to roller? also in that range of question, why is there such a huge % of controller players? Few seasons ago I used to play on both EU and sometimes NA, when id play on NA id notice that people were averaging less skill but id die way too often and I noticed that NA had so many controller players, meanwhile on EU people were skilled af at both movement, playing around covers, 1v1s, aiming but I would win most of my gunfights simply bcs id outplay them.. Now that i've come back to Apex, i'm noticing the same thing on EU, people are somewhat skilled but i know im better, yet im still losing fights even tho i play every day and i practice aim daily + trying to improve ingame. Also with the Solos now being a mode, 85% of my deathcams are controller deaths and after that ppl looting my box standing still. "aiming with your whole arm while im using only my thumb" lol, just try using ur whole arm for at least a week, id pay to see that. Ur either too egotistical to admit it or just too blind to see whats really happening.
@@jex-the-notebook-guy1002 ur just bad at the game, go into firing range and practice recoil patterns or just do recoil smoothing, its way more easier on controller bozo
Tell that to JP Apex players that were MnK players at first then never switched back again after using controllers because they know it has more advantage than MnK especially at mid to close quarter fights. I play on Tokyo servers and I sometimes get to team with random JP streamers and you know what they can get 20+ kills and when I look at their streams turns out they are controller players. I know call it skill issues but I have tested controller vs MnK on my own though I also suck at the controller because I am more MnK oriented and I don't have a game console so controllers are not my thing but I can see why most players prefers controller because with APEX's AIM assist on controller I can smoothly control my spray and aim tracking even meanwhile on MnK I would miss a lot of my shots especially if the enemy is so good at movement. So in theory if you are used to a controller and has a good gaming sense then it's no brainer that using controller with aim assist more advantageous than a player using MnK and as you know getting used to a controller is easier than with mouse because you have to do a lot of muscle control training with MnK. If you don't believe me then how about you try it yourself compare on how controller and MnK feels also try playing games like Valorant on a controller without aim assist lol.
Yea ok take off aim assist an watch you not be able to aim at all meanwhile yall have your whole arm do u realize how stupid dis arguement is an for arguement sake lets say i go on to nerf myself an learn to play without aim assist who do you think would have the advantage MnK simple fact tht you have more range of motion stop trying to make an arguement tht doesnt make sense rollers need some type of aim assist an Mnk will always have better aim overall due to being more steady at longer ranges an also MnK has recoil smoothing as well so its just a matter of learning it like everything else im not even gonna get into movement because if we say remove all the advance movement pc nerds have then yall would say the game lacks diversity an you cant move please lets just stop comparing AA an MnK an start learning how to play overall
i really want to know your rank and i really would pay money to see you play on mnk and have that steady aim youre talking about without grinding kovaaks every single day for hours turning into months then years just to lose to aim assist
@@dzopix bruh u lose to other mnk players so what are u implying you do realize u have to lose do u have a perfect record " " cricket's ur losing to the better player is all the only thing is tht mnk can do a whole lot more than aim they also have movement thats better than control an also dont bring up configs because those were already taken off steam because mnk players complained that controller was OP with the exact samething mnk can go get real bruh
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To clarify this video is talking about pc ONLY and is not a complaint video I’m giving the reason why some people think this way about it.I don’t give af about aim assist. Listen to what I said and you’d know that
Get better
Yeah don't listen to them man these aim assist mf don't know what true hard earned aiming skills from Mouse raw input. They will always try to reason that MnK players are gatekeeping or elitists or something when all we say are 100% facts. You earned a sub man.
Your take on it being monetarily based is prolly spot on
Yeah I had to reveal respawns real objective 😂
Bcuz it is.
Yeah, that's facts. They don't care about balance or what's fair and what's not. Plus, I'm willing to bet most of the devs play on roller because they're dogshit. So, they when they queue up with people like Mande, they can look like they're doing something.
So based. its all about getting clicks from the mnk sheep 😢😢😢
@@methodtomyradness2939 I rather be a sheep then a dogshit player who relies on something to aim for me.
More like why “cross play ruined FPS games” in general I think more
Yeah but I was talking about pc only. Console is not involved
@@nev784I could say the same about Console … we can’t put mods and cheats on a controller but you can put that in your pc … foh even with aim assist you still have and advantage with your whole palm
I dunno, when I'm sweating, yea, it sucks. But when I play with my friends and we're all laughing and having fun, that's when you realize why crossplay exists. Most of my friends are not sweats and play console only. It's the only way we ever got to play FPS games together.
I fully encourage anybody who doesn’t believe controller is overpowered to play mixtape for an hour and watch every kill cam lol
This is true I am from SEA and I mostly play in Tokyo Servers and sometimes I randomly get teamed up with JP streamers most of them are pros. I only started playing Apex on 2022 and has 600+ hours, I don't like controllers on FPS games so I only play MnK my aim is not that bad but not good either I only get 5-8 kills on average and these random streamers can get fricking 20+ kills so I go to their streams and turns out most of them use a controller. Anybody who doesn't believe is free to say skill issue but there is no denying the fact that the controller AIM assist on this game is OP especially at mid to close quarters. I even tried playing with a controller though I suck at it (might be because of my bad usb controllers) I can definitely see the aim assist improved my spray control and tracking better and it's smoother meanwhile if I am on MnK I'll fricking miss all the time especially if the enemy is a movement player. PC Apex should have an option to toggle input based match making because this is dumb that the console has cosplay toggle yet PC version cannot.
The instantaneous reactions to my strafes in the kill cams make me sick!
@@RoodyRoo for real. The killcams not showing visual recoil/shake like it does in spectator mode really gives you a good look at how sticky aim assist is.
Bro mix tape is full of cheaters with illegal movement on controller they specifically target mnk players too idk how they know ome octan killed me like 40 times in control i counted!!!
4:23 My man said "I stopped trying to aim" and that solved his problems 😂
The solution is Gyro Aim. Even if they nerfed it to .15 (rotational AA) which is what the modded servers have found to be an appropriate amount it would still be inhuman.
Gyro Aim is Raw Input and so it creates a way for controller to aim as close to M&K levels of precision as possible.
This actually a smart idea and I forgot all about gyro aiming. Some games used that
or give console keyboard and mouse input and remove aim assist all together
@@crescentmoon256 don't be retarded. Not everyone wants to grind the game. There are casuals who hop on every saturday who don't want to delete the game just because they are unnable to track a mf wall bouncing and tap strafing at 100mph all over their screen.
I think a split gyro controller would be the best design imo, kinda like how a wiimote would work with the left thumbstick controller.. only difference is that it wouldnt suck to aim with like a wii remote would, then it would bridge the gap between controller and kbm and get rid of aim assist all together.
@@LostLinguine
The only problem with that at the moment is all the current split controllers have horrible gyroscopes compared to the duelsense and alpakka. If someone released a good split controller with touchpads and gyroscopes on par with the above controllers then I'd be down to try them out.
Bro ,I had no idea about the rotational aimassist bs.
I'm a hard-core controller player but I didn't play apex and didn't understand why everyone started getting dramatic about it lately and to top it off ,I didn't understand why I couldn't aim as well (because I was fighting the rotation in the aimassist) thank you.
Also ,is there a way to turn off rotational aimassist while keeping normal aimassist?
Not that I know of. You can play with the aim assist I don’t hate it. Just explaining why people think that
And it's so easy to abuse in every game it's in you just need to know how to abuse it and apply the ways to abuse it while you play lol.
Yes Its broken, I played 4 years on Roller not because I wanted to but because I needed to, and me having no experience with a roller in any FPS, actually hating FPS with roller I was 1 clipping the first week I played, any roller who says otherwise is coping.
Solution input based servers
MnK vs MnK
Roller vs Roller
A mixed mode for the ones who dont mind it
Allow consoles to have MnK to have more than just PC MnK and force PC rollers to play against Console rollers.
The caustic with the bruiser on the P20 made me laugh so hard 😂
Controller is underpowered (lack of moving and looting a box, lack of tap strafing, etc), AA is extremely overpowered and broken. Lower the values to .15-.2 and give them moving in a deathbox, and revisit the problem in 6 months. Or keep the same values and give mnk reduced flinch in gunfights.
Thats console not controller
@@ttvnoodleboi console AA values are .6, PC AA values are .4. Neither can move in a death box or TS without cfgs. Not sure what you're talking about.
@@WhoIsGoLDENRaTi0 configs means you can do all the movement things pc can do and more
@@ttvnoodleboi for sure
You can jump on death box and also I’m talking about pc roller and mnk are the same on pc. The only thing is moving side to side on box.
What roller you used?
They should change it to 3.5 to test the waters
It’s already .4 needs to be lower
Aye I guess i was born with a smooth brain😂😂
A guy that knows what hes talking about finally, pc roller can do legit everything mnk can do atm with help of configs (some should be bannable). They need to put pc aa to 0.2 from 0.4 and console to 0.4 from 0.6 and see how it goes honestly
Give me 120 fps on console and you can drop it down to .2. I’d be fine with that. Honest don’t think I can play anymore without 120 frames.
@MasterMeow I used to have a gpu that was so bad that I got around 50-60 fps in game, where was my aim assist? (I also started on console) that's when I first moved to pc
@@mastermeow1582 I honestly would be happy if they took rotational aim assist from you, lol. I would play on 60 fps all day long if I could get rotational aim assist from that xd.
@MasterMeow "Give me 120fps waaa". At least consoles are optimized for gaming. Windows is so bloated nowadays and Apex is so poorly optimized, the game feels weird/choppy/stuttery unless you play on 240hz/300fps or 360hz/300fps with 5-10 ping which is unrealistic for 90% of the players.
@@Divinity_vA you act as if ps5 is perfect when certain abilities drop my frames to the 30s or shadows stuttering as I run by. Sure consoles are optimized for gaming but apex is not optimized for consoles. When I want to reload but instead open a door for the enemy it does Throw you for a loop. If your fighting behind a knockdown shield you cant fast reload you have to empty your clip or else you’ll go for a res mid fight.
Oh man there so much more but honestly all I really want are the frames man.
What no one talks about is that 4/3 classic on pc and 4/3 classic on console is completely different lol
I'm console so playing 4/3 classic or linear is entirely too slow for anyone.
The equivalent of 4/3 classic/linear on pc for console would be 5/4 classic/linear.
I don't want to get into all of the crazy tiny details because that's entirely way too much to type but that's just my 2cent lol
Im not talking about console in this video I said pc only. Console doesn’t affect anyone. Thank you tho
@Nev oooh ok pc only. Got you. I only mentioned console because I have more pc friends than console friends on Apex so I'm always in pc lobbies
They are the same values and acceleration, its just on console you're on 60 fps and locked vsync with no vrr makes it so the response times are slow = perceived slowness, thats why linear is more difficult on console
@Aqil Ardi ooooh ok. Well that makes soo much sense. I'm glad somebody finally explained to me lol thank you
Who plays with classic? 😂
the biggest issue is with how much visual clutter there is in this game, it doesn't matter how good your mouse tracking is when you can't even see the target clearly. meanwhile aim assist works through all that visual clutter so it doesn't matter if the roller player can see you clearly or not, they're still going land their shots.
Not just that, aim punch on PC is way worse than on roller for some reason. As soon as my shields get broken my aim completely goes to shit.
dont nerf the intensity nerf the reaction time for aim assist to kick in cus like since the average reaction time is 250 ms and controllers ive heard is 0 ms
The comments on videos like these are fkin insane lol
Fair enough, def a problem if majority of the player base and pros are switching.
I play controller, more specifically console as its what i grew up on, since PS1.
I dont foresee myself getting a PC as im a casual gamer.
Trust me, you can literally get 1 clipped by a bot who you can see defs did not put much time into the game, i think thats a problem.
I’m on roller but and gonna switch to mnk once I get my pc
Nice good luck man! You’ll know our pain once do make the switch haha
Trash player to trash player huh?@@Kino-yy8ou
I’m on mnk .. so no make the switch you will get shit on by controller players
Not to mention people using zens ON TOP of R-AA… shits crazy
yessirr rolla on top
4:15 EEEYYYYYY dats my videooooo! 😂 so funny to watch aa content and see it pop up. It's like an Easter egg lmao
Been saying this for years, ditch rotational aim assist or add a credible lag based on the user input. Aim slowdown is absolutely fine.
Why would they add a disadvantage when a console player is already at a disadvantage in movement
I play apex on Nintendo switch and I tested the aim assist 100% tracked the bot it's really broken.
I never understood recoil
i guess i have a smooth brain i dont know why im so bad help😭😭
Not you, it's just mnk players crying
thank god i play in singapore sever so i rarely met controller player during the day but when night come the AU player migrate in all hell break lose.
i play at singapore, no controller yay, BUT i met worse. Aimbot bro. Even mixtape - every 2-4 games it met a cheater. Sometime 2 in the same fcuking game for god sake. And a huge mixed of high ping players that had no choice for example play singapore server from India (EA's fault). That make the game suck as it plays so different when you have good ping players, vs a huge mix of high ping players, to get consistent shots.
The shit we see on Singapore and HK server too, every mix tape game has a MINIMUM OF 2 FK BOTS!!! HK Server is worse and almost IDIOTIC in the morning. Team Death match, i met 7 BOTS, with Only 2 real person from my team including myself, and 1 real player from enemy team. Holy shit the state of APEX here.
You forgot to mention Destiny 2 and Halo's use of Bullet Magnetism, especailly Destiny 2.
There is only one solution, even 11 months later, to this problem. Give MNK players aim-assist free lobbies. Don't separate MNK and controller, just make it so that you can play in lobbies with no aim assist, that's it.
2:13 ayo what was that movement tho, that was mesmerizing
I dont see anything special
@@cSimplicity_ look when he move behind that wall, somehow he strafed left and right without even touching the ground. I can do that but never strafe as far
steam cfg controller tap strafe basically wasd inputs binded to roller
brooooooooooooo i love this
My personal opinion is make pc roller nerfed sim assist but on normal consoles don’t
Anyone who says that having movement is bonus for MNK is delusional. You spend countless hours just PRACTICING to do the tech, not to mention you can actually do it under pressure in Respawns awful servers compared to some 13-35 year old who decided too use his xbox controller. It takes no skill to use a controller, there's practically no learning curve they are made for anyone to pick up and use within a day or two. I've played on console alll my life till maybe 3 years ago and playing Apex makes you feel like mnk is a waste of time for this game.
Why do tech when you can be casual?
spot on
Mouse and keyboard movement is stronger than controller what you said made sense
Try shooting long at an opponent and see how many shots you hit
your video motivated myself to give controller a try. not because i am planning to use one but i wanted to experience it myself. haven't used one since season 2 on xbox. it is totally nuts. i beamed the sh!t out of people. especially at 5-25 m or something like that. that just shouldn't be possible. especially for "new" players on an input.
Recoil controll on controller is not that easy for 70 percent of players, thoes shot on the target would have given you like maybe 100 damage at most
This is why i want to switch to mouse. Recoil sucks
This should just apply to pc controller players
That’s what I said bro bro
@@nev784 my bad
Aim assist can be as insanely OP as it wants these days: Apex being unfun bullshit killed Apex.
The clown music 6:10 was funny af
Let's not forget about strike packs...
Bro you don’t even know. Trust me the Cronus and strike packs is like a bed bug infection. I know so many people using it and they won’t stop 😭
@@nev784 tbf i dont even care about soft aimbot or strike pack users if aimassist is part of the vanilla game design xD
These are actually what's causing a lot of the ultra AA stuff. Not to mention they're literally just external cheats
Someone should just put a touchpad instead of the right stick on a controller. That combined with gyro will make controller as good as mnk without any need for aim assist
I think I’ll give Apex another chance. my aim assist never worked i thick. I accidentally turned it off.
Man, if i could conect my Mnk to my ps4 i would stop using controller...
Was not talking about console at all in this vid. Read pinned
@@nev784 yeah i know, im just saying it would be better if i could connect My Mnk to My PS4, because of right now You can't connect it sadly
Most facts I've heard in apex video
No cap
You want me to play MNK on my Xbox bro?
This video is about controllers on pc not console
People just wanna talk bro 😂
aimassist is the reason why i stopped playing apex competitively after 5k hrs. im still sad because i love apex - but i just cant anymore.. ^^'
i mean i played roller myself and it works but its no fun for me :(
It’s alright man
No one had a problem when pcs where dominant in all fps games. I won't buy a $1.000 pc so that you guys can feel good.
That's because there was no cross play. Use your head for a second.
You sort of sound like full crumb
I have tested the controller 🎮 in the order to see how to make on some mekanics in my own game.
And the first thing I done it's to Chenge the button layout on apex in controller's.
The default button layout is horrible on controller I don't know how people play like this. 😅
The add the jump button on the left solder the ability on the right solder
The run wean you press the left stick,
And the use/reload on the A button
I also make to Chenge weapon wean you press down arrow on the dpap.
In that way I have the most stuff always in my hand and the stuff I don't do all the time on face button's.
Enway what is your segment for aim assist im working on mulpayer fps game that i will have controller support seen my game have the option to play up to 4 player's with split screen
That means wean you play split screen at least 3 off the 4 player's need to use controller's 🎮,
I also want the split screen system to work wean you play online or lan game.
(Even if don't add aim assist play with 4 people are better for not paying at all however like you already know play with controller with out aim assist with player's that mice you have manger disadvantage because stick are way worse for aiming)
I’m lately bought a ps5 and I’m playing there
You can't do all the same movement tech as MnK on controller unless you use scripts, which is cheating.
The problem with aim assist is that it has to be strong enough for casual player who might only play games occasionally can jump on and still have fun, however this one fits all solution can become extremely abusable by players who have developed the.motor control to be somewhat precise with the sticks. Apex has a high TTK so good tracking is very rewarded. However it does lead to a very limited console 'meta' where close range spray weapons dominate. Honestly, on Xbox i very rarely get killed by a wingman, snipers, marksman rifles etc. I mostly het killed by a squad overwhelming yiu with smgs wtc. Console Apex has always been get close with full auto weapons. I dabble on PC as well and you get beamed mid range much more, where on console yiu can just rush swuad rush teams over open ground.
every new pro on apex is roller player ;) also Hal switched to roller
Multi billionaire dollar def dont control this topic
Controller is busted… it makes people good. You just need thumbs they don’t have to be good thumbs 😂. I’m on controller, just being honest. I play on console ands everyone is good unless you in bot lobbies where they don’t shoot their gun. I played on MNK it takes too much skill and practice.
Real talk
all i see is more people complaining lol always the twitch streamers / pc players smh.😑
This video is about pc players only g. Also not a complaint video
100% monetary reasons for casuals to be good
yeah sure. they want people to have fun. if you die instantly it isn't fun
pc players that play on there 3k setup with 120 fps are mad at people who just barely get 50 fps and are most likely playing in there living room
higher fps doesn't make you better at the game. In fact it makes it easier to hit multiple different movement techs. You saying this just proves that you don't know what you're talking about.
Not to mention, even pro players with setups *significantly more expensive* than 3k switch to roller. How do you explain that?
You are dense, PC players rarely play against console players and they are talking about the guys who are still mostly play controller on PC. You guys like to use this lame excuse to keep your advantage and not everyone has a 3k set up.
Was not talking about console at all in this vid. Read pinned
@@SomeCookie-gs1oy "fps doesnt make you better" thats such bs if can see faster and react faster with higher fps than you defenitly play beter because the higher fps also pro players switch to controller because everybody else is doing it a controller doesnt make you atomatically beter maybe ur aim improves a bit but at the cost of reaction time and movement
ur slow.. video is about PC controller players not console.. learn to listen and read before u start talking
hot take aimassist as a whole isnt op the only things that make it op are the 0ms reaction time and AA through screen clutter like sand, snow, explosions, fire ect...
So essentially…aa is overpowered
i miss when PC shooters were PC shooters
nev asmr?
Mnk wins over controller hands down.
There's no comparison.
(I have 10,000 hours on controller)
I agree on players who use controller on mnk can be annoying. But if u try in console you will be cooked.
Me being in pc lobbies 24/7 as a console player yes I can admit aa is pretty strong but is it stronger than everything else you can do on pc all together? Not even close 😭 I try to shoot my gun at a pc player all he does is go the other way with a tap strafe n boom I jus miss a whole mag yk why cuz tap strafing is broken moving inna death box is broken n also the shi you can do on mnk/pc is so broken. There are roller players out here thinking there good cuz they got configs wit strong aa n every feture of mnk (moving while looting tapstrafing ext) but nah that’s is even more broken n I mean what’s the point you should jus be the best player atp
sorry bro but ur just bad at the game then.. when someone is tap strafing away from ur crosshair or doing movement techs, they are either not shooting at you or have to really be amazing at aiming and play with 1-3-1 mouse grip to be able to jump+strafe while shooting at you (thats where the neo-strafing and other movement techs come in play) - but this sh*t is so rare because its insanely hard to do and you have to really put in work to master it.. for example look at xzylas - guy has thousands of hours in apex and a huge % of those hours is just mastering movement, meanwhile a casual player can just pick up controller and play for a few days and destroy half the mnk lobby..
so, yeah, back to what ive said first, ur bad at the game bro its the harsh reality ull have to face (im not good either), when u start shooting at the guy and he starts moving crazy not shooting back at you, you dont have to empty your whole mag into air bro LOL... either wait for a good moment to start shooting or take cover until u get a good opportunity idk what to tell you but him moving and strafing away wont kill you..
@@dzopix fs not bad at the game i destroy my console lobbies and some pc lobbies but on a controller isnt much u can do when someone is strafing back n fourth neo strafing shooting with 80% aim with the 10000% movement they got.
@@dzopix n waitng to shoot is never good n u cant jus get behind cover n try to get away especially when its a neo strafing octane chasing u. them is jus the facs they claim .6 is better than .4 by alot when ive played on both and .4 feels alot better close range really no difference mid-far .4 feels alot better so aa atp tbh .4 is better from mid to far and pc n mnk want controller aa to get nerfed when its the only thing keeping it semi fair which its still not but yeah .6 is better up close yes but not by alot .4 still sticks on n i've heard some say mnk should get .6 aa upclose like what tap starfing to flicking lootng in boxes n just moving faster in every way and smoother gameplay plus more up close aa whatttt. but aye ig .2 aa more which is really not any different fixes all of that n when mnk players was only picking bang n digi threat to block off all aa in smoke yeah it got bad
It's a she that the generation of gamers is in this game playing with aimbot aimassist and think they are good
THANK YOU FOR YOUR VIDEO
Ye roller op, my tweet explains it all
Saw ur tweet lmao
@@nev784 haha
@@Divinity_vA yea that’s me
You know bro. There will still be some lollipop sucking roller creatures who'll say "OoO YoU haVe tHE whOLe arM, Go crY sOMewhEre eLSe aND seems like SkiLL issUE OmG git gud". But still man you hit good shots on roller even if it was your first day❤❤. Keep the great content coming man😊. Am joining the discord.
Thank you buddy. I won’t stop until I’m 1 million subs just for you man
I have lots of ideas so give me time 🖤🖤🖤
@@nev784 thats soo sweet of you man. No matter what, i will support you always. And i know youll get more than 1 mil bro. Your content is gold. ❤️❤️❤️
OoO YoU haVe tHE whOLe arM, Go crY sOMewhEre eLSe aND seems like SkiLL issUE OmG git gud
@@Divinity_vA you should train more
Yes, aim assist is great on controller but movement and beaming is way harder I don’t care what you say. I’ve played both. Mnk players just have a natural affinity to bitching online that’s why all you here is “ wah he was on controller”
Oh wait I’m on console did not know there was a difference.
yeah bro im gonna destroy you when i superglide tap strafe into your AI powered 0ms reaction time tracking rotational aim assist im dumb
i respect you but this some of the biggest waffles ive seen
nah its a real thing. i can link you dev conversation and interviews or just google it bro. they want you to feel good/low skill gap so you play and give money
Damn... So I'm really just bad at the game. 😂
Game sense and knowledge are more important.
Yeah sure but getting used to a controller is easier especially with the aim assist so in theory a roller player with a good gaming sense will definitely obliterate your average MnK player. Like bruh with MnK it's not only the game sense you are working with you will actually have to train your muscle control (arm, wrist, fingers, shoulder) without aim assist only raw input and it is actually harder than most of you controller players think but with a controller the aim assist almost do all the smooth aiming and tracking for you. I tried playing with a controller and it is night and day compared to MnK the aim assist is unfair but I still prefer MnK because I am more oriented to that. Not against console or controller players but let's be real aim assist in apex is broken and the only solution is to have input based match making I don't even care if I get longer queue times.
this y i will not touch the game til its gone. damn aceu was right.
Yeah same. I’ve gone to valorant instead of apex. Almost everyone is on controller now it’s crazy.
I think apex dev all a controller user
People saying "oh so it is ok for pc players to cheat and use AA but we shouldnt have AA?" Idiots if i was cheating i wouldnt have nagged about it. I think controller players who defend AA are the same people who would cheat on m and k
Try using a controller tha
en a mouse and keyboard
When i jump in a game with my PC buddy and play in PC lobbies, its a tougher challenge due to people having good movement and the punishment you get for making one mistake . Once i play in console lobbies it's easy to get wins.
Yeah but I was talking about pc controller players only
@nev784 I see. I would prefer to play against aim assist instead of tap strafe. Mnk give me a challenge
@BIGO559 exactly.. PC has every advantage on Apex but cry because roller has like 0.3 aim assist because we are only using our thumbs while they use their whole arm along with key binds to pull of crazy movement with a flick of a finger. Lmao
@Geedygeedy I'm sure shooting people with beams is more consistent on mnk then controller.
Apex is dead to me. Just so unenjoyable trying to hope on after a long day at work unless I'm going to be sweating a gallon.
Lmao
Console peasants needing assist...
As a hybrid, people that complain about controller don’t know how a controller joystick works
I didn’t complain about it
@@nev784 never said you did, just a general statement
@@Crizzward im a mnk player and i get frustrated a controller players cuz even i tried pickin up a roller and it was the easiest thing to beam people with. but i felt like it was cheating so i went back to mnk.
what a wonderful aim
The solution is for us MnK users to use a controller emulator so we get aim assist on Mnk :)
I’m so tired of people still on this topic it’s actually so annoying but funny at the same time, if you complain about controller you are on PC plug in a controller 😭💀 n no you can definitely not do the movement you can do on pc on roller especially on console. You tap strafe once n it completely unlocks aim assist n can make a enemy miss every bullet you can move while in death boxes while moving wit a whole arm we have 2 thumbs 😭 pc players still get aa so what if it’s .2 stronger oh my you get aim trainers n you can learn to do so many things on mnk to smooth your aim. Quit complaing it’s so annoying bro stg n maybe all the top players are roller cuz they put in the work mnk players needa stop wining n get a life
u wrote 2 almost word for word comments xd I regret i even took my time to respond all that sh*t on the other one of ur comments jesus christ ur iq is really low i realize that now
Yesss clearly the input more suited for an fps is clearly better??? Y do people try to force mnk n cry about it. 90% of every single fps game is designed for the player to on controller. Go play overwatch or CS. Games designed around mnk
so your point is just bcs there are games where you cant play controller, there have to be games where controller massively overpowers mnk? people love apex, I love apex, its my favorite game and its getting destroyed by controller meta so ofc people are gonna cry about it
Totally agreed
You are a very smart human being
Ofc you are your pfp is Rick
Everything was balanced until controller mfs started using tap strafing binds
That’s pc not console
"First time" on a controller xD AHAHAHAH SURE BRAH
You’re able to tap strafe and you’re gonna complain bc of a some aim assist for somebody who’s aiming with their thumb and not their whole arm 🤔
The issue that you and many people have is understanding averages, stats, data, etc. It's a condition that afflicts millions of people around the globe, so don't feel bad.
When you look at the data from every skill tier, hours played, time on input, etc, controller consistently outperforms MnK players.
What you want to see is parity. If you take the data from 10,000 controller players with under 1000 hours played and see that they average 1.25kd, and you take 10,000 MnK players with less than 10000 hours played and they average 0.75 KD, there is an issue with input balance. Similarly, if you completely removed aim assist, you'd see something like that same set of MnK vs controller players data flip. MnK would be all 1.25 kd averages and roller players would be in shambles with sub 0.5 kd. And that's not correct either.
Respawn's lead devs have said publicly they have looked at the large datasets they have had from season to season and are not happy with how much controller players are outperforming MnK. And every pro player agrees it's an issue. This isn't really up for debate. It's just an issue that needs to be fixed.
i have no words for your lack of iq bro honestly.. i dare you to play for a full month on mnk against rollers and ull change ur mind or ur ego wont let u change ur mind.. one way or another, rotational aim assist is op in apex and thats a fact... ill give u 2 things to think about before you actually comment something stupid like this again -
1. mnk players that want to improve have to practice aim (kovaaks/aimlabs/etc) EVERY DAY - and then they will still lose 1v1s to an average controller player
2. why would any pro player with more than 5k hours on mnk apex just randomly switch to roller? also in that range of question, why is there such a huge % of controller players?
Few seasons ago I used to play on both EU and sometimes NA, when id play on NA id notice that people were averaging less skill but id die way too often and I noticed that NA had so many controller players, meanwhile on EU people were skilled af at both movement, playing around covers, 1v1s, aiming but I would win most of my gunfights simply bcs id outplay them.. Now that i've come back to Apex, i'm noticing the same thing on EU, people are somewhat skilled but i know im better, yet im still losing fights even tho i play every day and i practice aim daily + trying to improve ingame. Also with the Solos now being a mode, 85% of my deathcams are controller deaths and after that ppl looting my box standing still.
"aiming with your whole arm while im using only my thumb" lol, just try using ur whole arm for at least a week, id pay to see that. Ur either too egotistical to admit it or just too blind to see whats really happening.
bro idk what you guys are talking i swear to god mouse aim is way more op and i play on mnk
sure it is, ull always track better than an AI designed to track with no reaction time, ur smart bro
It didn't
I stop playing online game don’t got time aimtrian keep up with roller players
youve clearly played on roller before
No? I wish I could show time spent on input. I promise I haven’t. I didn’t even know what buttons to press 😂
@@nev784then where's the recoil?
@@jex-the-notebook-guy1002 ur just bad at the game, go into firing range and practice recoil patterns or just do recoil smoothing, its way more easier on controller bozo
Bro everyone saying aim assist is strong and op, BRO WHEN I PLAY APEX THE AIM ASSIST IS NO EVEN THAT GOOD, how tall saying it's op
Bruh is fighting the aa
Tell that to JP Apex players that were MnK players at first then never switched back again after using controllers because they know it has more advantage than MnK especially at mid to close quarter fights. I play on Tokyo servers and I sometimes get to team with random JP streamers and you know what they can get 20+ kills and when I look at their streams turns out they are controller players. I know call it skill issues but I have tested controller vs MnK on my own though I also suck at the controller because I am more MnK oriented and I don't have a game console so controllers are not my thing but I can see why most players prefers controller because with APEX's AIM assist on controller I can smoothly control my spray and aim tracking even meanwhile on MnK I would miss a lot of my shots especially if the enemy is so good at movement. So in theory if you are used to a controller and has a good gaming sense then it's no brainer that using controller with aim assist more advantageous than a player using MnK and as you know getting used to a controller is easier than with mouse because you have to do a lot of muscle control training with MnK. If you don't believe me then how about you try it yourself compare on how controller and MnK feels also try playing games like Valorant on a controller without aim assist lol.
But I’m too broke for a pc and mnk
No one said you should buy one
I said I’m the video I’m only talking about pc
@@nev784 my b fam but if it’s pc I believe that controller shouldn’t be aloud, only on console
controlers doesn't even have recoil, kek
Okay console aa can stay now pc controller user gotta be nerfed
MnK players pick up a pillow and catch your tears. Get better.
Bro u should add tap strafing and Neo strafing config for the next video bro
Fa sure
😢…
No care. Still use controller bc I can. That is all.
Yea ok take off aim assist an watch you not be able to aim at all meanwhile yall have your whole arm do u realize how stupid dis arguement is an for arguement sake lets say i go on to nerf myself an learn to play without aim assist who do you think would have the advantage MnK simple fact tht you have more range of motion stop trying to make an arguement tht doesnt make sense rollers need some type of aim assist an Mnk will always have better aim overall due to being more steady at longer ranges an also MnK has recoil smoothing as well so its just a matter of learning it like everything else im not even gonna get into movement because if we say remove all the advance movement pc nerds have then yall would say the game lacks diversity an you cant move please lets just stop comparing AA an MnK an start learning how to play overall
i really want to know your rank and i really would pay money to see you play on mnk and have that steady aim youre talking about without grinding kovaaks every single day for hours turning into months then years just to lose to aim assist
@@dzopix bruh u lose to other mnk players so what are u implying you do realize u have to lose do u have a perfect record " " cricket's ur losing to the better player is all the only thing is tht mnk can do a whole lot more than aim they also have movement thats better than control an also dont bring up configs because those were already taken off steam because mnk players complained that controller was OP with the exact samething mnk can go get real bruh