I've been riding for 57 years, I raced off-road and street. I tried to explain this exact thing to someone on another video that scolded me saying, it's physics, and there is only one way navigate a turn. I told him that simple countersteering is not always sufficient. It takes multiple techniques to get through a corner correctly, efficiently and safely. Look where you want to go, the path you want to take. Trail Braking, weight transfer forward on the bike to load the front suspension for Braking. Countersteer, lean etc. More than one way to navigate a corner, but there is only one correct way.
Wow, this is interesting. I've always heard it's the other way around. I used to ride the way he explains it at the beginning. I guess I'll have to give it a try again. Cheers!
After testing his suggestions for a day I can confirm that I've been faster and felt safer but my lower body is exhausted now. Probably it's the case because I tried to get even more stabalization from my lower body than from my upper. Just need to get used to it and then it will be fine. Thanks for great tips Troy.
Similar thing here. Had to back off and go back to some of what I had been doing before just to keep from being in pain. But I did feel a lot more confident, secure on the bike, and stopped scraping toes.
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When you preposition and brake for a turn, your inner leg is in optimum position. It feels awesome. You'd think you should move up on the tank from a straight (when I was very new I was doing this) but because of the braking force you move up. Just as when you go under power for straights your body is in correct position because it got thrown back. If you ride like this you will enjoy riding more and it's safer because it becomes crazy predictable and natural in feeling.
I've always ridden with the heal hooked into the pegs....started when I was a kid on a mx bike so I'm sure it's transferred over from there. It all takes practice, patience and to stay within your riding skill limits! With the correct technique and keeping your movements smooth you will become faster and safer. That's my theory anyway....have u ever noticed when you try and push over your limit, your not riding the bike, the bike is riding YOU! stay safe guys and enjoy😏
great advices ..but, what if rider is high or have long arms? s1000rr have small distance between handlebars and back of tank. .this is problem for me for example.
well that just changed everything. I've noticed more and more this season that GP riders are on heels most of the time if not all of the time this explains why
the_whisperer as Troy says here every time you move from toe to heel your body shifts. it means you can upset the bike more and cause a tank slapper. mid corner you may loose grip entirely
I watched this couple of times, and just taking guess here but I think he was pressing the point of stability using mid foot on peg in straightaways, and quick turns (hence foot possibly slipping off) while making it less tired legs, etc.
He makes a lot of good sense, but it isn't new. This is very similar to what is taught at Stay Upright Level 2 cornering and braking course for quite a number of years.
Ray van den Bosch LOL...it's what I was taught in 1978!! Seriously. There's been so much bad instruction given over the years, and also too much detail, a lot of it is pretty simple, and professional racers are just extremely good at it. The core of your body is the key...through the hips & waist, that's where your strength is. To use those muscles, you've got to have your feet positioned as Troy shows. Get the feet right, your hips/waist are right, you can use strong muscles to reposition, keeping light hands...roll off throttle smoothly, roll on throttle smoothly to keep suspension in the central sweet spot. It's not complex in terms of theory, you've just got to do it correctly and fluidly
See When you transitions from left to right into a chicane. Say your leaning left dont you use your opposite knee to push on the tank so it pulls you over to other side of the seat by gliding over instead of lifting your ass off the seat?
if you *glide* you create friction..this transfers to the chassis as movement....and on a race bike,you have a grippy seat foam,not that slippery shit you get on road bikes....
Did you get that from super bike school video? Troy's demonstration is exaggerated. But if you every look at the butt cam on GP they stand up a little to flick over. Takes a fraction of a second, you ain't gonna be grabby grabby on the handle bars because you lost contact for a second and feel unstable. Especially when you instigated it. Also newton's law for every action there is an equal and opposite reaction. But force your thy against the tank to flick you over, you essentially flick the tank in the opposite direction. (at a much higher centre of gravity area) doing it with your feet, yes you are still moving weight across but the place of application is lower (on pegs) so more stable. finally the gracilis muscle used to close your legs are tiny in comparison to the muscles to stand up and over a lap. constantly closing your legs to shift your weight will be Far more tiring. Try it yourself. Sit on your bike and flick yourself left to right by sliding technique. Your legs get tired real fast.
Hey i think everyone should go to riding school who buys a new production race bike...when i started racing i got a little help frim friends an some one gave me keith codes book which pribably saved my life....
Yep, he sure did, and he'd know having won 2 x WSBK championships :-) If you look at the foot position of most MotoGP and WSBK riders they position their feet the same way. There's a CZcams Video of Jack Miller talking about foot position and it's identical to what Troy teachers here.
what a ripoff, the guy isn't actually riding, the bike's engine isn't running... he doesn't even know how to stand upright on the bike, you can clearly see the bike is held upright with these things on the front AND back, DON'T YOU ALL SEE IT?
I've been riding for 57 years, I raced off-road and street. I tried to explain this exact thing to someone on another video that scolded me saying, it's physics, and there is only one way navigate a turn. I told him that simple countersteering is not always sufficient. It takes multiple techniques to get through a corner correctly, efficiently and safely. Look where you want to go, the path you want to take. Trail Braking, weight transfer forward on the bike to load the front suspension for Braking. Countersteer, lean etc. More than one way to navigate a corner, but there is only one correct way.
Wow, this is interesting. I've always heard it's the other way around. I used to ride the way he explains it at the beginning. I guess I'll have to give it a try again. Cheers!
Thanks, Troy. Great Advice on cornering stability- important lesson.
awesome presentation! thank you!
Just stumbled on this….. going to get out and try all of this, thank you for the tips even if it was 6 years ago 😊
After testing his suggestions for a day I can confirm that I've been faster and felt safer but my lower body is exhausted now. Probably it's the case because I tried to get even more stabalization from my lower body than from my upper. Just need to get used to it and then it will be fine. Thanks for great tips Troy.
Robin new riders arms get sore, good riders legs and core get sore! That’s how u know u r doing it right,
Even in this u can see how superior his body movements are .. natural ability plus training =winner
Similar thing here. Had to back off and go back to some of what I had been doing before just to keep from being in pain. But I did feel a lot more confident, secure on the bike, and stopped scraping toes.
When Troy speaks, you shut up and listen:)
Agreed if people don't wanna learn they shouldn't be there ☺
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good teacher~
people complaining about bad audio, wait for 2:20, that's when it becomes clear.
When you preposition and brake for a turn, your inner leg is in optimum position. It feels awesome. You'd think you should move up on the tank from a straight (when I was very new I was doing this) but because of the braking force you move up. Just as when you go under power for straights your body is in correct position because it got thrown back. If you ride like this you will enjoy riding more and it's safer because it becomes crazy predictable and natural in feeling.
Great video
Really well explained by Troy..cheers
Its a very good explanation and make sense , couple of riding schools have been teaching wrong body positions .
5:40 - Footpeg position (not on ball of foot) - instep arch/heel
I've always ridden with the heal hooked into the pegs....started when I was a kid on a mx bike so I'm sure it's transferred over from there. It all takes practice, patience and to stay within your riding skill limits! With the correct technique and keeping your movements smooth you will become faster and safer. That's my theory anyway....have u ever noticed when you try and push over your limit, your not riding the bike, the bike is riding YOU! stay safe guys and enjoy😏
You should run a race school and then perhaps capture the world superbike championship.
Nice video
great advices ..but, what if rider is high or have long arms? s1000rr have small distance between handlebars and back of tank. .this is problem for me for example.
this was extremely incitefull
well that just changed everything. I've noticed more and more this season that GP riders are on heels most of the time if not all of the time this explains why
Andy Parker why are they on heels most of the time?
the_whisperer as Troy says here every time you move from toe to heel your body shifts. it means you can upset the bike more and cause a tank slapper. mid corner you may loose grip entirely
I actually noticed myself on TV.
+Andy Parker, because if everyone trained people like this there would be room for too much potential competition
@@theavangelist I cringe when I hear "tank slapper".
Can someone fix the fucking microphone!
I shouldn't be laughing this hard lmao!!!
Lol.. audio is terrible
I find the bike seems to stabilise worth the ball for on the peg end as you are concentrating your weight through the leverage of the peg
I watched this couple of times, and just taking guess here but I think he was pressing the point of stability using mid foot on peg in straightaways, and quick turns (hence foot possibly slipping off) while making it less tired legs, etc.
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Fantastic information marred only by the lack of technical quality and the two blokes whispering during the demonstration.
BMW can engineer wonderfully but can't get the sound quality right on their video. It's so bad it compromises the quality and value of the nstruction
This video was posted by Motopassion, not BMW. Clearly the audio was designed to address a room full of students and was recorded by a third party.
What model of s1000rr is this, that it has the same shape of both lights?
its a track bike with track fairings. The lights are stickers
Thx. It looks much better imo.
after the facelift of 2014 the bike looks like this.
superb advice, sound is a disaster at the beginning
He explains very good and very simple respect 🫡
Someone knows maybe where can find other videos of Troy ?
Not only does the microphone require attention but the camera guy needs to wake up for those close ups that Troy is demonstrating
the camera is pointing somewhere else and the audio is bad
Its hard for me to learn to keep my hands relaxed, my hands are tense even when I drive my car. Idk why
Me too, try to stay focused on staying calm. Eventually you’ll learn
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He makes a lot of good sense, but it isn't new. This is very similar to what is taught at Stay Upright Level 2 cornering and braking course for quite a number of years.
Ray van den Bosch LOL...it's what I was taught in 1978!! Seriously. There's been so much bad instruction given over the years, and also too much detail, a lot of it is pretty simple, and professional racers are just extremely good at it.
The core of your body is the key...through the hips & waist, that's where your strength is.
To use those muscles, you've got to have your feet positioned as Troy shows.
Get the feet right, your hips/waist are right, you can use strong muscles to reposition, keeping light hands...roll off throttle smoothly, roll on throttle smoothly to keep suspension in the central sweet spot.
It's not complex in terms of theory, you've just got to do it correctly and fluidly
this might be helpful!
This might be some help if you could actually hear the audio! Sound quality sucks!!
Bigest muscle is Glutinus maximus ant it is an ass muscle xD. Thanks for the tisp ;).
05:12
10:52
12:00
Sound system effing slack.
See When you transitions from left to right into a chicane. Say your leaning left dont you use your opposite knee to push on the tank so it pulls you over to other side of the seat by gliding over instead of lifting your ass off the seat?
This way it always keeps a knee on the tank to keep the bike stable
if you *glide* you create friction..this transfers to the chassis as movement....and on a race bike,you have a grippy seat foam,not that slippery shit you get on road bikes....
Did you get that from super bike school video? Troy's demonstration is exaggerated. But if you every look at the butt cam on GP they stand up a little to flick over. Takes a fraction of a second, you ain't gonna be grabby grabby on the handle bars because you lost contact for a second and feel unstable. Especially when you instigated it.
Also newton's law for every action there is an equal and opposite reaction.
But force your thy against the tank to flick you over, you essentially flick the tank in the opposite direction. (at a much higher centre of gravity area) doing it with your feet, yes you are still moving weight across but the place of application is lower (on pegs) so more stable.
finally the gracilis muscle used to close your legs are tiny in comparison to the muscles to stand up and over a lap. constantly closing your legs to shift your weight will be Far more tiring.
Try it yourself. Sit on your bike and flick yourself left to right by sliding technique. Your legs get tired real fast.
Hey i think everyone should go to riding school who buys a new production race bike...when i started racing i got a little help frim friends an some one gave me keith codes book which pribably saved my life....
shutafakap when he is talking....can hear a thing
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Did this guy just tell me to ride the bike with my heels on the pegs?? I’ve always heard you need to ride on the balls of your feet???
Yep, he sure did, and he'd know having won 2 x WSBK championships :-) If you look at the foot position of most MotoGP and WSBK riders they position their feet the same way. There's a CZcams Video of Jack Miller talking about foot position and it's identical to what Troy teachers here.
Can't hear! Bad audio! And closed captioning can't keep up.
man...ive had it all wrong.......
Couldn't hear him
Did you watch the full video?
He's not wearing a helmet or gloves SQUUUIIIDDDD FUCKING ATGATT!!!!
Horrible audio. All you hear is echoes
what a ripoff, the guy isn't actually riding, the bike's engine isn't running... he doesn't even know how to stand upright on the bike, you can clearly see the bike is held upright with these things on the front AND back, DON'T YOU ALL SEE IT?