Top Tier Wi-Fi 7 Access Point - U7 Pro Max Overview
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- The new U7 Pro Max access point has its own dedicated spectral analysis radio - let's check it out!
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Nice, but I will wait for the "U7+ Pro Max Ultra Elite - Legendary Edition" ;)
You forgot enterprise 🤣
Leave it to Unifi to make Ultra mean less features.
@@avalon_64S Line T1000
@@keyboard_g You want less features? Sorry buddy, but that costs extra. And you need a subscription.
😂
The lack of 4x4 MIMO on both 2.4 & 6 GHz is a deal killer for me, especially at this price. I really would have expected AT LEAST 4x4 MIMO on all the bands (like my U6-LR), if not even going up to 6x6 or 8x8 MIMO on both 5 & 6 GHz
It is not enirely based on greed. With 2x2 on 6Ghz, you can already get up to 5765 Mbps. That is twice as much, as the uplink can handle. Since we all know how to interpret that number, it is a fair throughput to uplink ratio. If you want to go with 5gbit uplink, your total costs and energy consumption will go up, without providing a matching benefit. It is simply not worth it. Just go with 2 APs and set them to low power, that will not only provide better throughput, it also improves your wifi coverage. But for the 2x2 on 2.4ghz - yeah, that is just cheaping out. But since I live in a dense area, the 2,4Ghz spectrum is around 45% occupied and I would not benefit from 4x4.
@@andreas7944 Poor specs across the board and lack of previous features like Bluetooth at a new ridiculously high price point = greed greed greed! This new lineup is doing nothing but holding WiFi 7 from reaching its real world potential while taking away options like the Protect AIO Sensor.
@@andreas7944 Poor specs across the board and lack of previous features like Bluetooth at a new ridiculously high price point is pure greed. So far, the new U7 lineup is doing nothing but holding WiFi 7 from reaching its real world potential while removing support for things like the Protect AIO Sensor.
Low end specs and lack of previous features like Bluetooth at extremely high price points is greedy. The new U7 lineup to date is hampering WiFi 7 from reaching its real world potential while removing feature support for the Protect AIO Sensor.
I wouldn't buy any Release 1 Wi-Fi 7 stuff; it's missing some juicy bits of the full Wi-Fi 7 standard that are only coming in Release 2: advanced AP coordination (coordinated beamforming, joint transmission), HARQ, significant latency improvements, etc.. These are overpriced because UI are shoe-horning a development platform (pre-Release 1) into a shipping commercial device: it was never designed to scale. Just look at Ubiquiti's earliest Wi-Fi 6 stuff.
Thank you for all you do, Much appreciated
140 in the attic is like a cool mid March day here in Arizona. Haha!
No doubt! I have a few projects that are on pause for a few months. My wife wont let me go into the attic to pull cables if its above 80 outside.
Thanks, do you notice in any coverage boost?
Thanks for the video. I just installed my U7 Pro Max yesterday and I don't have any devices that use wifi 7 yet and I am trying to get a unifo pro poe max switch to power it over the injector I am using right now.
Thank you!
Does this one unit in the attic cover the entire house and what is the performance 2 floors down?
Got 2x U7 Pro Max 2 days agon. Nice devices, lightning fast. The spectrum visualizer is nice to check for free channels and optimize spectrum distribution.
But those boys get HOOOOTTTTT, almost burning hot in fact. Don't put them flat on a surface, make sure there is room at the flat side in between the device and whatever it is on. They need about 10-12W under normal (mostly idle) usage.Albeit there were that hot, I didn't hear any fan, nor was it evident if it even runs/ran.
They were absolutely easy to adopt and integrate (with me they replaced 2x AP-AC-HDs and 1xAP-AC-nano HD. The nano is not necessary anymore, because the range is imho better.
If you have questions, ask.
I am curious if you could get away with only running 1 Max? How big is the house?
@@bluearcherx It is a 2 story brick building. I had AP AC HDs on the same locations before, quite centrally, one on each floor. I can reach the about 90 sqm on each floor quite ok, albeit in the kitchen (through some walls) reception could be better. I might get a third U7 (maybe a U7 Pro) to get a little further, but can live with it very well for now.
We favor Grandstream APs, however no denying these are great also. In the biz it all boils down to what installers/seelers are familiar with, so for decades have always heard 'hate this, love that'. Boils down to 'what do you sell?' 👼 This channel is fantastic. Appreciate all the insights, always.
I can see me taking this device to clients to plan new installations or to debug connectivity issues.
None of the U7 series have Bluetooth for management and connectivity to their line of Protect environmental sensors. Is Ubiquiti planning for its cameras to provide connectivity for the sensors? On the surface, at least, that appears like a lame cost-cutting move. I would pay for the Bluetooth LE radio. I'm hoping someone can tell me why this is a good thing.
when i swapped my Enterprise 6E to a 7 ProMax, she was damn near too hot to touch on certain points, and these are mounted on my ceiling in 68-70F rooms.
That's crazy.
What are your thoughts on performance between the 6E Enterprise and 7 Pro Max?
@@LuminousPlasma over the last couple weeks, I am almost wanting to put the 6E Enterprise AP's back up. Also still waiting on MLO is that is still supposed to get released.
i am mostly interested in how the coverage was throughout your house with that as the main (only?) AP. I kinda want to replace all my in-walls with just this, on the ceiling of the upstairs hallway.
You have a really good and informative channel. Thank you.
I'm wondering if I can get you thoughts on switching U6+ with U7 Pro vs. U6 Long range? I'm having some difficulties on stability on the U6+. (ie in teams meetings I get lag) Do you believe the U6Long range are much better than the U7 Pro Max? (5Ghz) And yes, I know it's only best guessing since I don't have any measurments/ data to evaluate on. The U7 have of course other benefits, but I need my main issues solved first :)
I´ve installed mine yesterday and didn´t even looked at that feature... But it´s dramatically faster than my "old" U6-Enterprise!
@CrosstalkSolutions I would like to hear your thoughts on Ubiquiti's low specs, feature omissions and considerably higher pricing choices for the U7 AP lineup so far?
Nice!
Quick question i have 5gb fiber at home. and i am able to choose my own gear..what ubiquity gear can i use for that as a xpon olt
Just got mine. Blazing fast! Big upgrade from U6 pro
I just ordered the U7 PM yesterday, and am currently using a U6 pro. I was trying to figure out if I am wasting my money, but the extra spectrums and transmit power enticed me too much.
Thank you for the review. For me the presence of a fan in an accesspoint is a no-go for me. No Wifi7 for me 🙂
Have 2 of the Pro Maxes. Those boys get hot, nevertheless I didn't hear anything and have one in my sleeping room without a problem.
it makes you wonder what happens when that fan fails? They must have had issues with the APs in testing to include one. I would be surprised if it were a monitored fan as well.
@@TheDillio187 There is no display of the fan status anywhere in the Unifi interface.
@@_TbT_ that's what I was afraid of.
@@TheDillio187 there however is also no indication that it runs in normal use and normal room temperatures.
I just upgraded from three nano hd ap in my home to 3 UniFi 6 enterprise access points. I was tempted with the wifi 7 option, but if the wired interface can’t even support what the max throughput of the radios can do, plus with the fans, what’s the point?
Even if the uplink is limited to 2.5 GbE, the faster WiFi speeds can reduce the latency and overhead for local traffic and communication within the network. Remember, these devices are primarily produced for deployments in high-density environments (i.e., 500+ client devices). Your point is valid, but this product is not intended to address that particular use case.
For enthusiast like us, we would indeed benefit from 10GbE uplinks like the legacy UAP-XG has-perhaps Unifi will release a WiFi 7 version in the future, but even then it's configured for high-density environments, which is why the price is so high. I'm sure there is a market for 10GbE WiFi 7 AP's for low-density environments, but Ubiquiti doesn't target those markets.
The waterfall reminds me of the special mode on the old AirOS router.
The 7 Max looks cool. I know UI DID already have an AP with a dedicated radio, I think it was the UAP-AC-SHD. At the time, the controller software really sucked. So, nice to see the hardware in the 7 FINALLY supported with good software. Love you videos...way more than those from other guys. Thank you!
Can you hear the fan? Any indication of the DB level?
I'm hoping for a U7 Lite - These giant domes that serve whole counties are overkill for my application.
So there is a big price difference here between the wifi 7 pro and the wifi 7 pro max (about 40% more). Is it worth the extra for the spectrum analyser?
These will work through your ceiling? (Work well*). That would be so much easier to string 2 or 3 of these through the attic!
really hope they implement auto/AI-RF handling with the dedicated radio
When I moved to my new place, I set up U6 Pro APs, and they have been great, but these look like an even sweeter update. I would need a Pro Max POE to switch to power them, and the Dream Machine Pro feels a little undercool now, but again, everything is working great as it is, and dropping $1000+ doesn't seem like it's needed for my home network. Maybe just the switch and U7 Pro would be good enough.
This should have been like $219 for the slight bump in features from the U7 Pro. The U7 Pro is currently $189 and the U7 Pro Max is $279. Also, I just can't with these fans in the access points.
Im upset right as i get the u7 pro the max was announced. Although i dont need it, the 4x4 would have been nice.
Wonder if there wil be an U7 enterprise AP soon.
I hope the enterprise version has a 10gbit uplink (SFP+ or RJ45) anything else doesn't make any kind of sense
Agreed @@unknownxy8026
What’s the average amount of laptops and cell phones that can be connected to one of these devices and not start to have issues
Ever since the latest version of Ubiquiti dream machine pro's network controller software my U7-Pro has been really slow.
WIFI-6E I get about 400 / 900Mbps.
I use to get 1.2Gbps to 1.5Gbps prior to updating the controller software.
I did try the latest EA version for the U7-Pro and got my normal speeds for a few minutes.
Get yourself a REAL firewall.
@@Fidelity_Sound agree, i had a dream machine pro which i got at cost and was able to sell for more than i paid for it.. bought a netgate 4200 to replace it.. blows the udm out of the water.. especially with wireguard vpn speed.. i would get 680 mb/sec with a wireguard connection to proton vpn on the udm pro and now get 990 mb/sec with the 4200... night and day difference
I am managing a residential setup where my parents are working from home. Their offices are on opposite sides of the house. The ONT for my Wi-Fi is centrally located in the laundry room, which is surrounded by metal (this was due to the house's design, which was established before my time). To address coverage issues, I have installed a UniFi Dream Machine SE along with 10 access points throughout the house.
Currently, I am using some off-brand switches, but I am considering upgrading my network infrastructure. I am open to suggestions for new UniFi equipment and have not yet purchased a server rack either. Any advice on the ideal setup for this environment in 2024 would be extremely helpful.
I am essentially trying to run a business scaled set up in a home environment.
TEN ACCESS POINTS????????
@@bluearcherx I have a lot of thick walls. Ten isn’t really needed but I have quite a few dead zones on extremes of the house. I am also trying to set up outdoor cameras so the perimeter of the house needs good coverage too.
Right now my network hovers between 70-120 devices. Most are iOT and guest devices
at least for now it seems like some nice eye candy and it might help a little bit in channel planning but is it $100 cool to warrant the extra cost? maybe.
The main advantage of the Maxes vs the Pros is not that, but the 4x4 in 5Ghz vs 2x2 in 5Ghz. This was the selling point for me. A 7 Pro is worse than a Wifi 6 Enterprise in that regard.
I am very new to home/business networking. If I do not own an ubiquiti ecosystem, but want to add wifi 7, does it make sense to get this access point? Do I lose features for not pairing it with a dream machine and brining my own router and switch? Do I have access to all this spectrum analysis info only with the AP?
You’re in luck! I have a ‘UniFi Basics’ video coming out next week!
You can get the APs to work well (fast, most features) with just the AP and your smart phone. Adding a controller lets you do things like roaming and centralised management of multiple APs. I don't run their switches but that would let me configure traffic isolation in a simple way. Don't expect everything on the spec sheet to be enabled at product release but they are good at adding software support with updates.
Looking forward to the video. Found your channel a week ago and learned quite a bit from it. Thank you
Thank you for the reply, Michael. Can you still do VLAN tagging if you only own the AP? I will look more into the smartphone interface. Thank you for the hint
For corporate deployment, they're still missing Bluetooth/BLE which is a big miss. And for home, I'm not keen on fans, especially when they're mounted out of the way and could be difficult to remove dust from.
Will the Spectrum analysis work with SHD?
I don’t know - but if I had to guess, I would say probably not.
I've had two u7s for a few months now and ever since upgrading from the six line. I've had a weird issue where cell phones say they're connected to the access points, but there's no internet. Toggling on and off Wi-Fi on the phone fixes it. I didn't change anything else except for upgrading the access points
I did notice it happen on my phone too with the u7pro, but haven't seen much similar feedback yet on the internet.
@@tntantoine yeah it's super annoying because there's no indication on Android phones other than scratching your head about why the internet isn't working until you check. Based on experience I feel like it must be some sort of DNS issue, it's always DNS but I don't know what setting would need to be adjusted. Haven't been able to find anything else online either
Give your access point a dedicated IP address in the router (static lease), do not use DHCP.
I watch a lot of your content. However:
1) Why would you stash the AP in your attic when you are blocking signal with your rafters?
2) I feel like you weren't able to confirm anything beyond "yeah so here are the specs"
Yeah it is pretty good but I am still going to wait for the enterprise version. I also need to wait for a new UDM Pro that actually has 2.5Gbps ports and POE to support them. Until then there really isn't much of a need to upgrade from U6 Enterprise.
but you can take UDM-SE with POE+ and 2,5 gbit ports
@@ivan_adamovich I am confused what you mean. the UDM SE only has a single 2.5Gbps Port and it doesn't have POE on that port. All of the POE ports are only gigabit which now is slow enough to bottleneck Wifi 7. If you want 2.5Gbps and POE on the same port Ubiquiti wants you to buy one of their Pro Max POE switches.
@@chaosfenix You are right, SE has only 2 2,5 Gbit ports, POE+ only on 1gbit ports. my bad :(
Wait still no 10gbe port?
Failed callinc it ”Max”and not making it have a 10GbE port
Hmmmm the attic mounting is interesting. I never though of that
I’ve been doing that for 4 years now - works fine.
@@CrosstalkSolutions awesome ty for the tip. Moving in a couple weeks and I might go with the identical setup you suggested and see how connectivity is for the family.
I live on the countryside in France where I do WiFi installations. Internal walls in old houses can be very thick (up to 24 inches / 60cm) but they don’t go up into the attic. So I mount them mostly in the attic just over a wall to cover both sides of that wall.
Don't do it.
You're wasting the higher frequency performance plus the higher heat will shorten the life.
I have mine “mounted” under the floor boards of my rancher, pointed up through the floorboards. Works perfect :)
Who else saw the waterfall and thought it of Red October and sonar lol
I understand WiFi 7 speeds go up to 8Gbps+, how will you get more than 2.5Gbps with the U7 Pro Max white it only has a 2.5G Port?
It also says it can do 9.3Gbps over the air while it has 2.5Gbps Port, why & How? and Yes Internet Speeds are different than LAN speeds, I do know that but I am lost for the 2.5Gbps port but gives you 9.3Gbps over the air, since you'll only get 2.5Gbps internet speed limited to the port it has.
Hi! I am building a 3 level home and I’m planning on using this APs (1 on each level). Ceilings are 9’ tall, and the total SF of the house is 3600. How much interference will these APs will have with each other?
Not much = set them to auto channel selection. A normal home won’t be able to generate enough wireless traffic to saturate available bandwidth.
I have this AP the 6 ghz is really fast if you are in the same room with it or one wall away. Any further and you loose speed and modulation. My mobile phone falls back to 5 ghz and is faster at distance. These are for high density applications in a small space. If you have a lot of interference in your area the 6 ghz is going to help. I suspect once these get popular like 2.4 and 5 ghz hardware today it is just a matter of time before folks pollute the spectrum with ultra wide channel widths. The device only has a 2.5 gbps port why use larger channels? Still nothing beats a good old ethernet cable or direct fiber connection.
I'm moving into a new home that actually has this already installed. But instead of being way up in the attic, it attached to the ceiling of the upstairs level which looks and seems much better. We're glad its also TP link being that we recently bought the TP Link Deco 16000 3-pack. This should help even more with the 2600 sq ft of the home.
Please compare it to Enterprise 6E Access Point
No need. 6E won’t become any sort of standard. People are either going to stick on 6 for a while or they’re gonna hop straight to 7.
@@CrosstalkSolutions Agreed. Really though for 95% of accounts, WIFI 6 is all they really require for many more years. APs are starting to get that mobile phone vibe to them.
Get the latest model, don't fall behind!
@@CrosstalkSolutions he has a need, else he didn’t ask. Would like to see an x vs x AP comparison sheet also. Somebody will make it i bet.
Curious if it is a good idea to get anything WiFi 7 right now as it is still being worked on. The enterprise WiFi 7 from companies like Cisco are not going to arrive until next year. Changed and updates can still happen to WiFi 7 I believe.
Dude, it does not matter if you have WIFI7. 6Ghz is also available in Wifi6e. WIFI7 enables you to use those spectrums in parallel instead as alternatives, therefore mounting it on a level, where it has to pass at least one thick barrier might not make sense. If the floor is not affecting the signal - fine, but 6ghz does not go through barriers as good as 5ghz. But if you considered that and it is the best location, I would love to know strongly it affects the signal compared to 5ghz.
Should have come with an sfp port
Looks like I'm putting 3 u7 pros on the junk shelf..:( I think I'm the only wifi 7 user around.. but there only one way to find out!
Great to hear about and thanks for that but it's way beyond our current needs, so price hard to justify.
Does it bring POE adapter in the box?
No
Does it fit the U6 Pro mounting bracket?
Had a fire in your attic at one time ?
How long before this is out of stock like the UDM??? You have to question the company abilities if it cannot manage it's stock levels.
Crap, now I have to sell my U7-Pro ☹️ This really looks good. I want to sell these to customers.
Ubiquiti is the new Samesung
Very odd to install in the attic ... That greatly reduces the higher frequency performance. This is odd.
Nah, they'll punch through a ceiling or non-concrete wall easy enough.
Less 2.4 power vs U6 LR
Anything with a fan will screech and die.
I would add anything with a compact design will eventually die. That's why back in the day small form factor voicemail PC-based cards inside systems were hell. Also, later on, small form factor SIP Server appliances vs full-size 19" wide RM devices. The ones with fans on both sides, never a problem. Also, POE switches in a small form factor with PS built-in -- UGH! - always purchase ones with the brick power supply outside of the unit, in a fan-free design.
Yeah gotta say the fan does make me worried. Most of these devices wind up in some pretty sketch spots and either straight heat and or dust getting inside give me pause.
Looks over like its overkill :)
me: he put it in his attic!‽??
lol... I live in Phoenix... that's ... not an option at all.
Everything is great except for the price 😅
"what do you guys think about the new ap"? easy, I'm not paying 279 bucks for an access point
U7 series is a crap WIFI7 early adaptation. Waiting for 8th generation APs which should hit market earlier in 2025.
Dos it work stand alone or is it requires all the other shit equipment also?
Seems gimmicky.
First
This is one of the stupidest products imaginable. Why would you offer a 15Gbps access point and equip it with a 2.5G uplink? Even at full duplex this thing can do 7.5Gbps, 3 times the speed of the uplink. Competitors like tp link offer a cheaper BE11000 model and actually put 10G ethernet on it. Why is ubi skimping on such an important part of the product?
WIFI7 and 2,5Gbit ports with fan inside? nice peace of garbage. it even doesn't make sense. it will be better to buy/leave 6pro
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