What it looks like to me: Feminine Savior = Unconscious respect (on Autopilot but half assing it) Masculine Demon = Conscious respect (don't feel like doing it, but respect it too much not to, Peacocking is more obvious)
Feminine Savior Se: I'm searching for this thing I lost and there are only a few M Ni "boxes" that it could be in, so let me check the same few places five times because... what if I just didn't see it the first few times?
From personal experience: Savior masculine Ni, unhealthy: confirmation bias, stubborn, rigid Demon feminine Se, unhealthy: cherry-picking, hostile to new information Savior masculine Ni, healthy: solid vision, focused, committed Demon feminine Se, healthy: quick to recognize relevant opportunities
Wait wait so for example: unhealthy feminine fe: me vs the world mindset, uncommunicative, cold, insensitive, over-secretive (even tho it just a small thing) healthy feminine fe: I lead/help tribe using my skill, understand social que, can sympathize toward other, understand to balance between my need and tribe need.
Masculine Ne feels like my abstract exploration is very intentional. Like I don’t quite daydream but I’m always imagining and creating connections between things and making things complicated for no reason. Feminine Si (and demon to be fair) seems to be like random facts, situations, and events that prove the patterns im seeing. They also show up as random memories drifting into my mind or things reminding me of something that has happened without me knowing what exactly it is. Not sure if that’s accurate but that’s my understanding of M Ne and F Si
As a Si savior, I don't see the point of organizing things by color. Wouldn't it be better to organize it by function or another meaningfull classification. For example, I organize my desk in a way the things I use more often are closer to me, and I organize my bookshelf by similarities of content. Though I guess there are some situations where organizing things by color could be usefull...
@@itayifergan Then it would make sense, but I think that's rarely the case. Maybe it would be the case if you have different flavours of the same food product, for instance, but still, it wouldn't make sense to put them in different boxes like if they're totally different things. It seems like a waste of time and energy for me. (Maybe because I'm Play last)
Ni dom here. Y'all are wrong. Bookshelves should all be arranged in one room on the bottom floor, reached by a waterslide from the top floor. Weee.....
I'm INTP M Si and I can relate to that. I would not organize by color unless color was the only relevant category (which I think would be rare). I like to put together like items, or items that are typically used together, and in an order that makes sense (if lining up items like books). My problem is with my Ne though, everything seems to deserve its own category, so either a bunch of stuff is never put away because I don't know where it should go, or a bunch of crap just goes in a drawer or box so I don't have to look at it anymore. And I have so many different types of things that don't fit together because I have so many interests. But once something has its place, I get very annoyed if someone else uses it and doesn't put it back where it goes. And even when I shove crap in a box, I usually remember which box I put it in, so even if it's a bunch of random stuff in that box, I'll remember which box it's in. Right now I can't find my heating pad and it is driving me crazy. It is literally nowhere that makes sense to me. I always blame my husband on things like that. But every once in awhile it was me who misplaced something or didn't put something away, so I have to not automatically point the finger, just in case. I look like a fool when that happens.
INTJ here, with masculine Ni and masculine Fi. I have often been described as stubborn with my ideas and vision, and I wont care about your opinions about me, unless and until they are a hindrance for me.
I’m starting to think I have demon masculine sensory. I definitely respect the sensory; facts are facts and I’m pretty good at remembering shit. But. If you see me actually try to move through the world, you can tell there is a weird disconnect between my mind and my body. My proprioception is off. I don’t have an innate sense of how to use objects, I tend to hold them weird. I’m awkward and clumsy. I don’t have a good sense of my own strength; I’ll often slam things down much harder than I need to or alternatively not apply enough force. I also have sensory processing issues. I’m much more irritated/blinded by bright light than others. Visual clutter is also an issue for me, I cannot concentrate when there is a whole heap of shit in my visual field. But the worst is auditory. I fucking hate loud noise. It physically and mentally pains me. Auditory clutter is also really bad. I cannot hold a conversation if there’s a lot of background noise because I cannot pick out the voice of the person I’m talking to from all the other garbage sounds. It’s also hard to think of a reply when literally 80% of your brain is just trying to process what the other person is saying. I also don’t know how loud my own voice is. I tend to talk way too loud, but occasionally I’ll be way too quiet and mumbly. These issues have plagued me my whole life but I’ve gotten better. When I was a kid I couldn’t stand hand dryers in malls and would melt down if I accidentally set one off. Now I can bear it though it isn’t pleasant.
You sound like an Si-user to me. Interestingly, I have seen patterns like this with both masculine demon Si and feminine savior Si. If it's a savior, you feel responsible for it but it's too loosey goosey to properly grasp when feminine. If it's a demon, you don't feel responsible for it but it's so concrete you can't ignore it when masculine. So far one of the easiest differentiators I've found is memory... but this is tricky because people who have a bad memory sometimes think they have a good memory. If you tell the same stories over & over again but the details of those stories change slightly over time, and people tell you that you are contradicting yourself or changing your story (even if you don't see it), it might be feminine. And if you stay remarkably consistent and wonder why people can't keep their lies straight, it might be masculine. Another question that springs to mind is "How do you know when you're hungry?" (and "Have you ever been wrong?" i.e. thought you were but you weren't or vice versa, as strange as that may sound). The first part of your comment reminds me a bit of myself, and I'm pretty certain I'm M-D-Si. For example, I've held a pencil the "wrong" way my whole life. Every teacher I had from kindergarten through middle school tried to correct this and warned me that I would get hand cramps when I got older, but I shrugged it off & continued holding it this weird way. It didn't feel like "my problem" because sensory is a demon to me; I don't feel responsible for it and it doesn't feel "real" anyway. But at the same time it's very concrete to me and I stay consistent and when physical pain does hit me it hits me like a ton of bricks. I also don't like loud noises (though I think for most people it's not an issue of "liking" so much as being desensitized and destroying their hearing when they were young) and have misophonia around a select group of sounds. But I can still tune out background noise and concentrate on one sound (side note: this is a skill that playing a musical instrument actually helps with tremendously. I've always been able to pick voices out of the clamor. But when listening to music I used to hear a song as one sound, comprised of each component layered on top of another but unified nonetheless. When I started playing drums I became better at picking out only drum sounds so I could listen for the drums without the distraction of the guitar, bass, vocals, etc. I was just wondering if that might help you somehow) I do feel disconnected from reality (part of that likely from being intuitive, partly from simply being an introvert and thus the external world feels less real, part of that may be demon sensory, part of it is likely Se PoLR, and part of it may be related to being enneagram type 5), but at the same time, I actually do not consider myself clumsy at all. Part of your comment reminds me of myself, but most of your comment reminds me very much of an ISTJ friend I have who has feminine Si (savior) and also happens to be diagnosed with Aspergers. What you said about not being able to tune out background noise, visual clutter, and bright lights are all issues he has, and common spectrum hypersensitivities. The way you describe processing information also reminds me very much of this FM Si/Te. Just something to consider :)
Heather Bryant Hmm, well, I’ve had people tell me I’ve got a good memory. My mum often brings me places when she needs to remember certain details because I’m better than her at that. I memorised the periodic table song when I was 11 and still remember it. I have very vivid memories from when I was very young and my parents are shocked when I mention them and they’re accurate to what actually happened. In school I didn’t need to study much because I absorbed all the material in class and could retain it for the test. Mum will get me to remember a number plate or date and time and it will leave my mind for a while. When she asks what it was I can immediately recall it. Sometimes I doubt myself but I’m about 85% accurate. I don’t remember the specifics of what people say sometimes. It doesn’t strike my brain as important enough to remember, especially if the conversation is about something like what they ate for breakfast. I’m not diagnosed with Aspergers but I have a lot of the traits and often question whether I was overlooked by the system.
@@bananewane1402 I also I believe I am Demon Masculine Se and i relate to literally everything you're saying in both of your comments. Crazy how accurate this stuff can be.
ssg2991 My boyfriend is almost certainly demon feminine sensory and he has terrible memory, organisation, ect. He doesn’t respect the sensory AND he’s all loosey goosey with it. Often can’t tell when he’s hungry until I give him food, and tells me he doesn’t trust his body to not just trip over itself and land him face first on something sharp. So I end up with the sensory stuff. I don’t respect it like an s-saviour would, but I can’t ignore my own hunger like he can. Dirty sheets bother me because I notice them. Remembering important dates is just a given to me because they’re so real. Time is real, measurable, concrete for me. For him, time is fluid and speeds up and slows down at random.
@@bananewane1402 Emphasis on the time part. My Demon Fem Si family members couldn't acknowledge dates or times in any manner even if their fuckin lives depended on it.
I don't drink beer. I drink milk. This is True. ... it feels strange to connect the words I and beer even with a no. ... I'm happy to see this video, i watched it two times but I'm a bit slow so i lost track as The Video progressed. I'm Asperger.
@@PayAttentionToThePatterns hahqhqhaha why does this happen...I made a video talk with another youtuber and didn't even.realize I used the word "like" 500 times....I did slap myslef in the face when watching the video 😅
Question: I'm an INTJ and I believe I am Fem Ni/Masc Se. Do any of you other Masculine Se (or Masculine Si) users have this "rage mode" personality trait where sometimes you just get really loud and feel the need to break shit? Like you sometimes you just have these bursts of aggression? Not in a bad way, like when you're hanging out with your friends or working out or get really motivated to do something? Like archetypal (or maybe stereotypical) masculine shit. My enneagram type is 5/1/8. I believe this is my 8 coming out when this happens.
@@ssg2991 Maybe something about "Demon Se" or "Se Last" . It was when they were doing video (not just the slides) so it is probably within the last few years. It opens with a guy throwing things out of a garage/shed into his yard.
@@ArasheNorto, I don't think that they don't give a shit, I think they simply don't understand Ne so much as they understand Ni. I recommend the channel The NiNe Show, they are four guys and two of them are Ne doms, one has mNe and the other has fNe. I watched a lot of videos about Ne and about other functions in their channel and it helped me a lot.
As an saviour masculine Ne user its like there is a VR glasses on your eyes switching channels all the time through the past , present and the future and makes it hard to keep a track of events
@@youssefkhaled469 It's interesting how you described, because for me, as demon mNe, it's hard for me to point out when exactly an event occured. I can visualize what happened, the context, but I can't remember a lot of specific details, especially dates. I also have a hard time trying to remember where I read a specific thing. For a mSi savior it would be easy. On the other hand, because I'm savior Si, my brain usually is not switching channels, I pick one specific thing and I pull the thread. I can pass hours and hours thinking about just one specific topic, if it's something I'm interested in.
ENFP with feminine Ne here, and I felt this! Clouds are beautiful; they shift and change and they can really look like anything you want if you focus hard enough while having fun with it. Masculine Si? Dang, the thing ain’t going anywhere 😅😂
Hey Dave and Shan! Congratulations on 40,000 subscribers! You guys are making a huge mark on the community and I really trust you to be as accurate to the truth you can be. I really enjoyed this video, I have been wondering for a long time if I have masculine or feminine Ni, leaning towards feminine.
Hi! I really enjoy your videos. I've been watching for a while and I just wanted to share that I think I've pieced together what my objective personality type is. INFP, Savior Si, SCPB, Masculine Fi and Si. This really clicked because I'm one of those INFP's who is very organizing and my feelings are pretty stoic most of the time. I also need a lot of post processing time so I can't really afford to favor my Ne without "respecting" the Si that comes along with all those adventures. Thanks for teaching this stuff on CZcams!
I can't help feel like the videos are getting more and more esoteric and out of context, as if it was an inside joke among only a fraction of the viewers (and which is something Not very "Te" to do btw). Also, I can't help feel that they are over exploiting the jungian theory with all these far fetched distinctions... I mean, the "jumpers" thing is ok, but things like distinguishing the specific order of the "animals" or predicting stuff by summing functions, the masculine-feminine system... I don't know Rick
i find their system bs. it's not even objective. they took just took mbti and twisted it and they are making it more confusing. i got typed using op system as intj but i am far off from it. i am an istp. dave and shane you have failed typology
@@jeffreysherman8224 esoteric = "intended for or likely to be understood by only a small number of people" ...just that. More than agreeing or disagreen with it --I'm nobody to do so-- my conflict with this theory is "how can they be so sure these distinctions they invented are true"...they might be 'tilting at windmills'
They are always seeing the same pattern, but they need to anchor this pattern to the facts. The facts don't move, so the pattern needs to move when the facts demand it. So they are always reorganizing the concepts, because the sensory information is solid but the abstract information is fluid.
@@stefanomaggio5109 Ne wants to create a web of possibilities, and it doesn't value one possibility higher than another, and isn't interested in coming to a conclusion. Ni is interested in doing Ni shit, but the feminine Ni's just aren't as balls deep psychotic and crazy about forcing everything into a pattern which is 'So obvious' as the masculine Ni's are. Feminine Ni isn't interested in seeing lots of possibilities, and isn't interested in holding several opposing world views at once, whereas Ne is very much interested in that. Just because someone is intuitive and don't place that much pressure on a singular focus, doesn't mean they're Ne and wanting to expand the intuitive possibilities.
I have masc Ni for sure, thanks for clarifying. I always said there is a war in my mind between the three factions (boxes) spirituality, technology, and nature. I'm an Fi dom tho, so it's only SOME categories. And they are all non-connected.
Lol. You're not alone. As an INFJ, I feel obliged to remind everyone that Pink Floyd is, in fact; the best band ever. When I play my music, everyone on the street loves them too, whether they like it or not.
Comparing this to my lead fSi perspective: I'm always reorganizing my physical things and my sensory information. I don't put a lot of things quickly in my Si box, but I'm always trying to find the best possible combinations between these things (for example, I edit my comments a lot, because I want to find the best possible combinations of words to help everybody to see the concept I'm trying to explain). The sensory for me is fluid, I don't need to remember the facts in every little detail, I need to use the facts to get to a solid understanding of the big picture. The big picture is what I aim at, I want to understand all these concepts, but I'm not able to jump directly to it, I need to carefully use the known facts to get there.
I am so interested by the masculine and feminine concept. I’m Se/Fi, my savior Se is feminine and my demon is Ni masculine. I relate a lot to Shan in this!
@@jake_with_the_BIG_snake I probably have Masculine Ni savior. For me it goes like this: - when I have a concept, let's say: - a goal: I am obsessed with the goal the way I set it, and I may distort reality (Se) to make it fit into my goal (bending reality so I can make my vision the way it is no matter what). - a concept/mechanism: When I figure out a pattern on, let's say, how things work, I stick with it forever, and everywhere I go I always remember and apply the same principles consistently. For instance, I even notice that a lot of life philosophies comes in 3 concepts LOL. Like health, productivity... so for everything I got the habit of creating "Triads", like the Triad of Health (sleep, diet, exercise), the Triad of productivity (definition of goal / overall structure and stages of development / everyday tactics and adaptation). This is so funny because it doesn't make a lot of sense that I always have 3 exact parameters for my concepts, but I do. I guess that's how Masculine Ni works. The "TRIAD" is my concept, and I always manage to narrow everything down to 3 concepts easily - maybe it's because there are only 3 Dimensions of reality hahaha I don't know.
I want to give a bunch of people objects with different shapes and colors, and boxes of different sizes and colors. I know how I'd organize. Shape > Color, Size > Color. I just like shapes... I always thought that was abstract... is it sensory? Like I need a coat with pockets... It has to have them, I don't care how good it looks, if it doesn't have the pockets I hate it and will never use it lol
It’s sort of bothering me that those containers are organized by colour and not type of item. Idk what that says about my personality but there’s a good reason libraries are organized by genre and not by colour 😂 how will anyone know where anything is??? You’ll have to remember it all! (And yes I know how it’s illustrating their point but my brain got hooked on this particular)
Mmmh... Organizing my wardrobe. From No-sleeves, to short sleeves, long sleeves. Within the sleeves it's sorted formal/casual attire. And within that it is organzied by the spectral colors beginning with white->red->..->violet-> ending at black. One wardrobe for tops (shirts, blouses, etc) one wardrobe for bottoms (trousers, skirts, etc). Until today I haven't found a statisfying solution to sort in my dresses/robes (subsorted by sleevelength/hemlength/attire style). Right now they are at the very end of the tops wardrobe on the side where the bottoms wardrobes is placed next to....
@@basic-decaf Is that Si? Just did it to spare time on choosing/matching clothes... Because I do not really care about clothes, but I figured over time that a decent style can work as a tool. Since I still do not really care about it I do not want to waste time on choosing and just pick clothes of the same color/sort. So even dressing up doesn't cost more than a few minutes...
@@jeffreysherman8224 Okay, cool. Never thought about SI being in my function stack. But I don't think it's a savior function. As far as I understood the savior it's more or less an 'automatic'/'first choice' function. It took until my midtwenties to force myself to that sort of wardrobe setting and even to get rid of my 'I don't care about style' mindset. And I still need to push myself (remind myself that this way I save much more time) every now and then to keep such settings up.
OH MY GOD things totally make sense now, masculine Ni all the way THIS IS THE PATTERN hahah xD I too just throw some facts their way to prove it because most people hate me for it
Probably hard to follow but here goes I’m a convergent systems thinker “Te”. The point of view is inside looking out. Te reduces things to a finite value which is equal to 1. “One reason” or the 1st principle. As long a I have a reason I’m ok but thinking has another point of view “Ti” the outside looking in and observing different systems reacting with each other. I see the purpose of my Ni as a relay, or delay station that either speeds up or slows down the flow of sensory data to my conscious Thinking allowing me to see the from the Ti position. My Fusion of Te/Ti produced intuition on the thinking spectrum I’m still in the dark some what with respect to Fe. When you look at “Evolution” sensory was 1st then it organized into “feeling” our 1st system; organized sensory produced later produced “Thinking” our 2nd system: sensory attached to feelings organized into patterns for faster processing producing an inner and outer view point of that sensory with respect to feelings and the same system developed independent with respect to thinking. (I think the visualization that’s showing up is the next step in our minds evolutionary pattern, organized intuition) “more efficient ways to processing info in our environment) I’ve searched and asked and can’t find an reason why the psy field would decide that 2 separate systems which evolved at different times would both be controlled by 1 organ or develop at the same rate? Sharing my thoughts because at this moment my questions have questions. I’ve learned so much from watching you two that I’ve now got all my coworkers watching y’all too and it’s now something we’re all talking about. We’re all also rather confused. The 2 systems operating independently both clears up thinking and complicates them too.
You're one of the first people I've seen a comment of that says things right. I've been saying what you're saying for a long time too. I personally believe that the reason the conscious mind developed is because our consciousness is actually an advanced information reordering system. We're conscious simply because that's the product of the operation that deeply analyses information to find hidden meaning. Doing so systematically using your 1st system, as you call it, will produce an effect quantifiable as 'creativity' or 'openness'. It makes sense. Look at the brain scans. Almyglada plays a huge role in regulating emotion, simply because (I believe so) that it is the center that evaluates scores attached to memories to judge their immediate relevancy or not. This is where I believe neuro-atypical like autism or otherwise a form of high sensitivity are different. This would explain most issues we find unquantifiable now among people. Simply because we've been treating it as one self-balancing system, rather than 2 separate self balancing but symbiotic systems. They don't clash because they have different roles to play, their domain of interacting on information is simply so vastly different, that they only have a limited bandwidth of 'conversation' ability. Therefore, our subconscious can reason rediculously fast because it has fast access to long term memory, much like an indexed rational database, while our conscious thinking can go rediculously deep or far without losing integrity of thought (Like a heavily nested function running on cpus). But where the magic happens is when the subconscious is conditioned to operate in very specific way, in sync with a retrained conscious mind. When this happens, there is an efficient transfer of information and awareness. This phenomenom could be explained as enlighting or clearing the fog. This isn't anything fancy I'm mentioning here, they're habbits. Habbits is when an action or thought is attached to a larger underlaying body of memories of high value residing in the subconscious mind. You don't think about it, because simply because you don't see a problem with it. There isn't. The information resides in the subconscious mind. It'll use the information as long as it is deemed relevant. This is where contradictory ideas will start plagueing the mind. Once you start seeing truths after having lived in an illusion of sorts, the world becomes a different place. As a child, our brain are not fully developed yet. Memories do not form connections that sustain rational thought. The fundamentals of rational thought become stronger after each repetitive step over a period of time. Its nothing more than very specifically crafted habbits based on tiny yes-no switches in our brain trained like any other artificial neural network would. Sorry for the long rant there, bud. As for OPS, I've noticed an increase of contradictory usage of terms. One of the last videos told about Fe and Te and even proceeded to pose examples that could be interpreted as either. Now not saying their principles are wrong, but surely I haven't seen evidence that prove the opposite. Their system is like a broken math system. Its an axiomatic truth, it is true because the model is built of from probabilities and then rationalised. This is not science. Don't get me wrong. It is okay by me that they do this, because every single person who says they're wrong, they had to excersize deep thought and took effort to stand up for their ideals. That takes some significant cognitive investment no other animal can do. It goes to show that despite a model like this in my opinion, not being rationally useful, it does have its purposes. However, just like any other hate out there, I'm still watching. Its simple. They're trying to convey principles, not rationale. it may be hard to pick out the dirt and ego from it, but surely if they feel its worth the effort to put online, there must be something in it. Whether it is money or knowledge, only time will tell.
I think you're both amazing, but I have to admit, you can be fairly hard to follow with the jump-talk. Love to new vid, though. Always look forward to them!
That's an interesting question. I'm INFJ, so Ni dom, masculine. Stubborn as hell about inner world stuff I believe in, e.g Pink Floyd are the greatest band who've ever lived; fight me! Ne in a savior [such as an INFP, Fi Ne]; strikes me as being the closest thing to that mythic female intuition. If so, it would be both strong AND masculine. I mean, INFP's are stubborn as hell about their Fi, and I can only imagine that's also backed up by strong Ne. I mean, I can imagine a female INFP being very feminine overall-perhaps the most feminine person in the room; but having masculine Fi and Ne-because they're both so strong. My Se is a demon btw, so probably not masculine, lol. But that's another question, wouldn't a demon ALWAYS be feminine, because it's simply not asserting itself?
But it really does massively increase your chances of having great taste in music and art, especially if combined with IF and J. Roger Waters-who wrote practically all the melodies and lyrics for Pink Floyd before their decline; was INFJ. Gilmour, who's an S [also an FJ]; was a great guitarist, but lacked the ability to write timeless melodies-the HARDEST thing to do in music, and his lyricism also lacks Water's sensitivity. Contrast that with ESFP and ISFP; they [at least the ones I know] utterly lack the ability to sort the wheat from the chaff, are true subjectivists/relativists who genuinely believe crap like "there is no good or bad art/music, only art/music you like or don't like", are shallow [i.e disregard group consensus-which includes scientific means of evaluation-so not just art or music, hell, the one's I know don't even read-yet are opinionated nonetheless-because of their Fi-their feelings make something "true" or not]; and their music taste is dreadful, because that critical/evaluative muscle for judging; atrophied decades ago. So when they do [hypocritically] make judgements, as all must [such as liking a song]; they always get it wrong. Inevitably. They lack sensitivity, nuance, critical thinking skills and consequently possess poor aesthetic judgement. Now if they're feminine regarding their saviors, it's not so bad. But if they're masculine, i.e really blast their atrocious taste in music and belief that "there is no good or bad music..."; someone who has savior Ni: couldn't be in the same room as them.
This video is not abou mbti, it's about their own personality system that they created - OPS. They 110% know what they are talking about since it's THEIR system lol
@@Mayakran Si verify facts/matter (w/Te) biotic/ontological (w/Fe). Se just see detail (along with living in the present or enjoying the moment etc) You use all cognitive functions. Each cognitive function can do a lot of specific thing depending on its strengths/dimensions and if it's valued or unvauled. These two don't even believe in "shadow functions" They think you only use your valued 4. The only thing I find them useful for is knowing sub-types. Which isn't original to them anyway. I study mainly socionics
@@AnaMargaridaSings FYI it's not THEIR system. Everything they're teaching is not original to them. It's just MBTI and some Socionics repackaged using different words. These two want to make MONEY and honestly I don't blame them. typology is a great sector to fool people at the moment.
@INTJ on progress haha absolutely I am! But I guess I’m not allowed to mention his type as my comment where I revealed it was deleted. Oh well. Hopefully Mika joins the class.
Another 5 min OPS horoscope. If you don't have 5 min or want to waste your time, here's a summary: "We don't know what Ni is, but we suck at organizing our cabinets. Ni is basically Si right? We are still using clips of Trump because we're special snowflakes."
Trump basically brain washes ppl through lying and repetition lol.. He's the closest one can get to being a living cartoon.. I'm happy for America but will strangely miss some comedy in the news, comedians will actually have to use their brains somewhat for material now!
What it looks like to me:
Feminine Savior = Unconscious respect (on Autopilot but half assing it)
Masculine Demon = Conscious respect (don't feel like doing it, but respect it too much not to, Peacocking is more obvious)
Feminine Savior Se: I'm searching for this thing I lost and there are only a few M Ni "boxes" that it could be in, so let me check the same few places five times because... what if I just didn't see it the first few times?
@@natebot321 haha good one, sounds like me when I'm looking for my car keys
Don't call me out like this.
From personal experience:
Savior masculine Ni, unhealthy: confirmation bias, stubborn, rigid
Demon feminine Se, unhealthy: cherry-picking, hostile to new information
Savior masculine Ni, healthy: solid vision, focused, committed
Demon feminine Se, healthy: quick to recognize relevant opportunities
I concur, this is really accurate for me as with Savior M-Ni and Demon F-Se.
Very well put.
Also MF. Ni-Ti jumper though. But can confirm on the statements above 1000 percent.
Can you give other example for feminine Ni & masculine/feminine Ne?
Wait wait so for example:
unhealthy feminine fe: me vs the world mindset, uncommunicative, cold, insensitive, over-secretive (even tho it just a small thing)
healthy feminine fe: I lead/help tribe using my skill, understand social que, can sympathize toward other, understand to balance between my need and tribe need.
Masculine Ne feels like my abstract exploration is very intentional. Like I don’t quite daydream but I’m always imagining and creating connections between things and making things complicated for no reason.
Feminine Si (and demon to be fair) seems to be like random facts, situations, and events that prove the patterns im seeing. They also show up as random memories drifting into my mind or things reminding me of something that has happened without me knowing what exactly it is. Not sure if that’s accurate but that’s my understanding of M Ne and F Si
connect with this too just wish they had a video about this themselves with masc and fem ne themselves
Savior Ni- Seeing it as a "Labyrinth" from up high, bird's eye view. The whole pattern is All One- all leading to the center. ❤
As a Si savior, I don't see the point of organizing things by color. Wouldn't it be better to organize it by function or another meaningfull classification. For example, I organize my desk in a way the things I use more often are closer to me, and I organize my bookshelf by similarities of content. Though I guess there are some situations where organizing things by color could be usefull...
what if the only way to sort them out is by color?
@@itayifergan Then it would make sense, but I think that's rarely the case. Maybe it would be the case if you have different flavours of the same food product, for instance, but still, it wouldn't make sense to put them in different boxes like if they're totally different things. It seems like a waste of time and energy for me. (Maybe because I'm Play last)
Ni dom here. Y'all are wrong. Bookshelves should all be arranged in one room on the bottom floor, reached by a waterslide from the top floor. Weee.....
I'm INTP M Si and I can relate to that. I would not organize by color unless color was the only relevant category (which I think would be rare). I like to put together like items, or items that are typically used together, and in an order that makes sense (if lining up items like books). My problem is with my Ne though, everything seems to deserve its own category, so either a bunch of stuff is never put away because I don't know where it should go, or a bunch of crap just goes in a drawer or box so I don't have to look at it anymore. And I have so many different types of things that don't fit together because I have so many interests. But once something has its place, I get very annoyed if someone else uses it and doesn't put it back where it goes. And even when I shove crap in a box, I usually remember which box I put it in, so even if it's a bunch of random stuff in that box, I'll remember which box it's in. Right now I can't find my heating pad and it is driving me crazy. It is literally nowhere that makes sense to me. I always blame my husband on things like that. But every once in awhile it was me who misplaced something or didn't put something away, so I have to not automatically point the finger, just in case. I look like a fool when that happens.
That's just an example, colors, functions, similarities... whatever dude!
INTJ here, with masculine Ni and masculine Fi. I have often been described as stubborn with my ideas and vision, and I wont care about your opinions about me, unless and until they are a hindrance for me.
I’m starting to think I have demon masculine sensory. I definitely respect the sensory; facts are facts and I’m pretty good at remembering shit. But. If you see me actually try to move through the world, you can tell there is a weird disconnect between my mind and my body. My proprioception is off. I don’t have an innate sense of how to use objects, I tend to hold them weird. I’m awkward and clumsy. I don’t have a good sense of my own strength; I’ll often slam things down much harder than I need to or alternatively not apply enough force. I also have sensory processing issues. I’m much more irritated/blinded by bright light than others. Visual clutter is also an issue for me, I cannot concentrate when there is a whole heap of shit in my visual field. But the worst is auditory. I fucking hate loud noise. It physically and mentally pains me. Auditory clutter is also really bad. I cannot hold a conversation if there’s a lot of background noise because I cannot pick out the voice of the person I’m talking to from all the other garbage sounds. It’s also hard to think of a reply when literally 80% of your brain is just trying to process what the other person is saying. I also don’t know how loud my own voice is. I tend to talk way too loud, but occasionally I’ll be way too quiet and mumbly.
These issues have plagued me my whole life but I’ve gotten better. When I was a kid I couldn’t stand hand dryers in malls and would melt down if I accidentally set one off. Now I can bear it though it isn’t pleasant.
You sound like an Si-user to me. Interestingly, I have seen patterns like this with both masculine demon Si and feminine savior Si. If it's a savior, you feel responsible for it but it's too loosey goosey to properly grasp when feminine. If it's a demon, you don't feel responsible for it but it's so concrete you can't ignore it when masculine. So far one of the easiest differentiators I've found is memory... but this is tricky because people who have a bad memory sometimes think they have a good memory. If you tell the same stories over & over again but the details of those stories change slightly over time, and people tell you that you are contradicting yourself or changing your story (even if you don't see it), it might be feminine. And if you stay remarkably consistent and wonder why people can't keep their lies straight, it might be masculine. Another question that springs to mind is "How do you know when you're hungry?" (and "Have you ever been wrong?" i.e. thought you were but you weren't or vice versa, as strange as that may sound).
The first part of your comment reminds me a bit of myself, and I'm pretty certain I'm M-D-Si. For example, I've held a pencil the "wrong" way my whole life. Every teacher I had from kindergarten through middle school tried to correct this and warned me that I would get hand cramps when I got older, but I shrugged it off & continued holding it this weird way. It didn't feel like "my problem" because sensory is a demon to me; I don't feel responsible for it and it doesn't feel "real" anyway. But at the same time it's very concrete to me and I stay consistent and when physical pain does hit me it hits me like a ton of bricks.
I also don't like loud noises (though I think for most people it's not an issue of "liking" so much as being desensitized and destroying their hearing when they were young) and have misophonia around a select group of sounds. But I can still tune out background noise and concentrate on one sound (side note: this is a skill that playing a musical instrument actually helps with tremendously. I've always been able to pick voices out of the clamor. But when listening to music I used to hear a song as one sound, comprised of each component layered on top of another but unified nonetheless. When I started playing drums I became better at picking out only drum sounds so I could listen for the drums without the distraction of the guitar, bass, vocals, etc. I was just wondering if that might help you somehow)
I do feel disconnected from reality (part of that likely from being intuitive, partly from simply being an introvert and thus the external world feels less real, part of that may be demon sensory, part of it is likely Se PoLR, and part of it may be related to being enneagram type 5), but at the same time, I actually do not consider myself clumsy at all. Part of your comment reminds me of myself, but most of your comment reminds me very much of an ISTJ friend I have who has feminine Si (savior) and also happens to be diagnosed with Aspergers. What you said about not being able to tune out background noise, visual clutter, and bright lights are all issues he has, and common spectrum hypersensitivities. The way you describe processing information also reminds me very much of this FM Si/Te. Just something to consider :)
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Hmm, well, I’ve had people tell me I’ve got a good memory. My mum often brings me places when she needs to remember certain details because I’m better than her at that. I memorised the periodic table song when I was 11 and still remember it. I have very vivid memories from when I was very young and my parents are shocked when I mention them and they’re accurate to what actually happened. In school I didn’t need to study much because I absorbed all the material in class and could retain it for the test. Mum will get me to remember a number plate or date and time and it will leave my mind for a while. When she asks what it was I can immediately recall it. Sometimes I doubt myself but I’m about 85% accurate.
I don’t remember the specifics of what people say sometimes. It doesn’t strike my brain as important enough to remember, especially if the conversation is about something like what they ate for breakfast.
I’m not diagnosed with Aspergers but I have a lot of the traits and often question whether I was overlooked by the system.
@@bananewane1402 I also I believe I am Demon Masculine Se and i relate to literally everything you're saying in both of your comments. Crazy how accurate this stuff can be.
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My boyfriend is almost certainly demon feminine sensory and he has terrible memory, organisation, ect. He doesn’t respect the sensory AND he’s all loosey goosey with it. Often can’t tell when he’s hungry until I give him food, and tells me he doesn’t trust his body to not just trip over itself and land him face first on something sharp.
So I end up with the sensory stuff. I don’t respect it like an s-saviour would, but I can’t ignore my own hunger like he can. Dirty sheets bother me because I notice them. Remembering important dates is just a given to me because they’re so real. Time is real, measurable, concrete for me. For him, time is fluid and speeds up and slows down at random.
@@bananewane1402 Emphasis on the time part. My Demon Fem Si family members couldn't acknowledge dates or times in any manner even if their fuckin lives depended on it.
Wanna play a fun drinking game?
Take a SHOT everytime Dave says “like”!
That Ni can’t stop making analogies😂
I don't drink beer. I drink milk. This is True. ... it feels strange to connect the words I and beer even with a no.
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I'm happy to see this video, i watched it two times but I'm a bit slow so i lost track as The Video progressed. I'm Asperger.
@@PayAttentionToThePatterns hahqhqhaha why does this happen...I made a video talk with another youtuber and didn't even.realize I used the word "like" 500 times....I did slap myslef in the face when watching the video 😅
@@lunarious87 I had trouble understanding you. You have aspergers? Damn that’s rough bro.
I dont drink. But ill try it with water heheh
Question:
I'm an INTJ and I believe I am Fem Ni/Masc Se. Do any of you other Masculine Se (or Masculine Si) users have this "rage mode" personality trait where sometimes you just get really loud and feel the need to break shit? Like you sometimes you just have these bursts of aggression? Not in a bad way, like when you're hanging out with your friends or working out or get really motivated to do something? Like archetypal (or maybe stereotypical) masculine shit.
My enneagram type is 5/1/8. I believe this is my 8 coming out when this happens.
Dave has a video about this somewhere, where he talks about having masculine Se and breaking things when the Ni Plan doesn't work.
@@marthaimmer5675 Oh yeah I think I remember that video. Do you remember what it's called by any chance?
@@ssg2991 Maybe something about "Demon Se" or "Se Last" . It was when they were doing video (not just the slides) so it is probably within the last few years. It opens with a guy throwing things out of a garage/shed into his yard.
Ok that's interesting. How does it relate to Ne-si, I rarely hear about Ne except when there are whistleblowers lol
We're barking off the wrong tree pal, these guys don't give a shit about Ne!
@@ArasheNorto, I don't think that they don't give a shit, I think they simply don't understand Ne so much as they understand Ni. I recommend the channel The NiNe Show, they are four guys and two of them are Ne doms, one has mNe and the other has fNe. I watched a lot of videos about Ne and about other functions in their channel and it helped me a lot.
@@ArasheNorto This is just whatever content they give out for free, Im sure you'd find more about Ne if you paid for the rest of the material
As an saviour masculine Ne user its like there is a VR glasses on your eyes switching channels all the time through the past , present and the future and makes it hard to keep a track of events
@@youssefkhaled469 It's interesting how you described, because for me, as demon mNe, it's hard for me to point out when exactly an event occured. I can visualize what happened, the context, but I can't remember a lot of specific details, especially dates. I also have a hard time trying to remember where I read a specific thing. For a mSi savior it would be easy.
On the other hand, because I'm savior Si, my brain usually is not switching channels, I pick one specific thing and I pull the thread. I can pass hours and hours thinking about just one specific topic, if it's something I'm interested in.
Excellent material as always Dave and Shan! Can you all produce more material on the Feminine vs. Masculine?
Interesting! Love it guys!
This is good! This has answered some things I couldn’t quite figure out! Cool!
cant put colors in a box it will be all different shit in there..
My feminine Ne feel like clouds and my masculine Si feel like a boulder.
So we’ve got water, air, and earth. I think masculine Se or Ne is the fire - burn everything to the ground just to see what happens!
ENFP with feminine Ne here, and I felt this! Clouds are beautiful; they shift and change and they can really look like anything you want if you focus hard enough while having fun with it. Masculine Si? Dang, the thing ain’t going anywhere 😅😂
Hey Dave and Shan! Congratulations on 40,000 subscribers! You guys are making a huge mark on the community and I really trust you to be as accurate to the truth you can be. I really enjoyed this video, I have been wondering for a long time if I have masculine or feminine Ni, leaning towards feminine.
Hi! I really enjoy your videos. I've been watching for a while and I just wanted to share that I think I've pieced together what my objective personality type is. INFP, Savior Si, SCPB, Masculine Fi and Si. This really clicked because I'm one of those INFP's who is very organizing and my feelings are pretty stoic most of the time. I also need a lot of post processing time so I can't really afford to favor my Ne without "respecting" the Si that comes along with all those adventures. Thanks for teaching this stuff on CZcams!
congrats on finding it!
This is making me question the modalities of my observers Ne-Si
Dave's feminine intuition!?!? 😱 Everything makes so much more sense now! 😄
I can't help feel like the videos are getting more and more esoteric and out of context, as if it was an inside joke among only a fraction of the viewers (and which is something Not very "Te" to do btw).
Also, I can't help feel that they are over exploiting the jungian theory with all these far fetched distinctions... I mean, the "jumpers" thing is ok, but things like distinguishing the specific order of the "animals" or predicting stuff by summing functions, the masculine-feminine system... I don't know Rick
Jumpers theory looks valid as hell but anything else beyond that looks sketchy. I'm afraid I can't endorse this anymore.
I agree about the videos, they haven’t been as pedagogical lately :/
i find their system bs. it's not even objective. they took just took mbti and twisted it and they are making it more confusing. i got typed using op system as intj but i am far off from it. i am an istp. dave and shane you have failed typology
Esoteric and out of context? How so? Did you understand what was said? Do you disagree with it?
@@jeffreysherman8224 esoteric = "intended for or likely to be understood by only a small number of people" ...just that.
More than agreeing or disagreen with it --I'm nobody to do so-- my conflict with this theory is "how can they be so sure these distinctions they invented are true"...they might be 'tilting at windmills'
what about saviour feminine Ni?
They are always seeing the same pattern, but they need to anchor this pattern to the facts. The facts don't move, so the pattern needs to move when the facts demand it. So they are always reorganizing the concepts, because the sensory information is solid but the abstract information is fluid.
@M Muss that's Ne
@@stefanomaggio5109 Is it? It kinda makes sense for me (F-Ni).
@@jerusalem4492 this theory suck
@@stefanomaggio5109 Ne wants to create a web of possibilities, and it doesn't value one possibility higher than another, and isn't interested in coming to a conclusion. Ni is interested in doing Ni shit, but the feminine Ni's just aren't as balls deep psychotic and crazy about forcing everything into a pattern which is 'So obvious' as the masculine Ni's are.
Feminine Ni isn't interested in seeing lots of possibilities, and isn't interested in holding several opposing world views at once, whereas Ne is very much interested in that. Just because someone is intuitive and don't place that much pressure on a singular focus, doesn't mean they're Ne and wanting to expand the intuitive possibilities.
Yea, I definitely have feminine Ni and masculine Se 😂
I was thinking about Feminine vs Masculine T
M T - Persuasion Logic
F T - Adaptation Logic
I have masc Ni for sure, thanks for clarifying. I always said there is a war in my mind between the three factions (boxes) spirituality, technology, and nature. I'm an Fi dom tho, so it's only SOME categories. And they are all non-connected.
How do you determine masculine vs. feminine functions?
😂 I feel so called out with that damn train.
Lol. You're not alone. As an INFJ, I feel obliged to remind everyone that Pink Floyd is, in fact; the best band ever. When I play my music, everyone on the street loves them too, whether they like it or not.
Comparing this to my lead fSi perspective: I'm always reorganizing my physical things and my sensory information. I don't put a lot of things quickly in my Si box, but I'm always trying to find the best possible combinations between these things (for example, I edit my comments a lot, because I want to find the best possible combinations of words to help everybody to see the concept I'm trying to explain). The sensory for me is fluid, I don't need to remember the facts in every little detail, I need to use the facts to get to a solid understanding of the big picture. The big picture is what I aim at, I want to understand all these concepts, but I'm not able to jump directly to it, I need to carefully use the known facts to get there.
I am so interested by the masculine and feminine concept. I’m Se/Fi, my savior Se is feminine and my demon is Ni masculine. I relate a lot to Shan in this!
can you give some examples how this plays out in real life for you?
@@jake_with_the_BIG_snake I probably have Masculine Ni savior. For me it goes like this:
- when I have a concept, let's say:
- a goal: I am obsessed with the goal the way I set it, and I may distort reality (Se) to make it fit into my goal (bending reality so I can make my vision the way it is no matter what).
- a concept/mechanism: When I figure out a pattern on, let's say, how things work, I stick with it forever, and everywhere I go I always remember and apply the same principles consistently. For instance, I even notice that a lot of life philosophies comes in 3 concepts LOL. Like health, productivity... so for everything I got the habit of creating "Triads", like the Triad of Health (sleep, diet, exercise), the Triad of productivity (definition of goal / overall structure and stages of development / everyday tactics and adaptation).
This is so funny because it doesn't make a lot of sense that I always have 3 exact parameters for my concepts, but I do.
I guess that's how Masculine Ni works. The "TRIAD" is my concept, and I always manage to narrow everything down to 3 concepts easily - maybe it's because there are only 3 Dimensions of reality hahaha I don't know.
Yeah, obviously "obviously" is a bad word... My INFP friend kills me with that...
Great red wave is when I overwork my Ti
Can you guys go over the masculine vs feminine of the different functions
Red wave is my period.
Wow these explanations are fascinating.
I want to give a bunch of people objects with different shapes and colors, and boxes of different sizes and colors. I know how I'd organize. Shape > Color, Size > Color.
I just like shapes... I always thought that was abstract... is it sensory? Like I need a coat with pockets... It has to have them, I don't care how good it looks, if it doesn't have the pockets I hate it and will never use it lol
Lol the look on Dave’s face from 3:47 to 4:47 😆
Yeah
Pretty usefull. Please continue for all 8
I get the feeling their was some weight behind those "yeah's"
It was more like "yeah ya fucking do".
IKR LOL
It’s sort of bothering me that those containers are organized by colour and not type of item. Idk what that says about my personality but there’s a good reason libraries are organized by genre and not by colour 😂 how will anyone know where anything is??? You’ll have to remember it all!
(And yes I know how it’s illustrating their point but my brain got hooked on this particular)
Mmmh... Organizing my wardrobe. From No-sleeves, to short sleeves, long sleeves. Within the sleeves it's sorted formal/casual attire. And within that it is organzied by the spectral colors beginning with white->red->..->violet-> ending at black. One wardrobe for tops (shirts, blouses, etc) one wardrobe for bottoms (trousers, skirts, etc). Until today I haven't found a statisfying solution to sort in my dresses/robes (subsorted by sleevelength/hemlength/attire style). Right now they are at the very end of the tops wardrobe on the side where the bottoms wardrobes is placed next to....
Nice Si.
@@basic-decaf Is that Si? Just did it to spare time on choosing/matching clothes... Because I do not really care about clothes, but I figured over time that a decent style can work as a tool. Since I still do not really care about it I do not want to waste time on choosing and just pick clothes of the same color/sort. So even dressing up doesn't cost more than a few minutes...
@@koishi8361 Yup, that's Si.
That's some mean savior Si! Is it masculine? Either way, that's impressive.
@@jeffreysherman8224 Okay, cool. Never thought about SI being in my function stack. But I don't think it's a savior function. As far as I understood the savior it's more or less an 'automatic'/'first choice' function. It took until my midtwenties to force myself to that sort of wardrobe setting and even to get rid of my 'I don't care about style' mindset. And I still need to push myself (remind myself that this way I save much more time) every now and then to keep such settings up.
Thank you!
OH MY GOD things totally make sense now, masculine Ni all the way THIS IS THE PATTERN hahah xD I too just throw some facts their way to prove it because most people hate me for it
Probably hard to follow but here goes I’m a convergent systems thinker “Te”. The point of view is inside looking out. Te reduces things to a finite value which is equal to 1. “One reason” or the 1st principle. As long a I have a reason I’m ok but thinking has another point of view “Ti” the outside looking in and observing different systems reacting with each other. I see the purpose of my Ni as a relay, or delay station that either speeds up or slows down the flow of sensory data to my conscious Thinking allowing me to see the from the Ti position. My Fusion of Te/Ti produced intuition on the thinking spectrum I’m still in the dark some what with respect to Fe. When you look at “Evolution” sensory was 1st then it organized into “feeling” our 1st system; organized sensory produced later produced “Thinking” our 2nd system: sensory attached to feelings organized into patterns for faster processing producing an inner and outer view point of that sensory with respect to feelings and the same system developed independent with respect to thinking. (I think the visualization that’s showing up is the next step in our minds evolutionary pattern, organized intuition) “more efficient ways to processing info in our environment) I’ve searched and asked and can’t find an reason why the psy field would decide that 2 separate systems which evolved at different times would both be controlled by 1 organ or develop at the same rate? Sharing my thoughts because at this moment my questions have questions. I’ve learned so much from watching you two that I’ve now got all my coworkers watching y’all too and it’s now something we’re all talking about. We’re all also rather confused. The 2 systems operating independently both clears up thinking and complicates them too.
You're one of the first people I've seen a comment of that says things right. I've been saying what you're saying for a long time too. I personally believe that the reason the conscious mind developed is because our consciousness is actually an advanced information reordering system. We're conscious simply because that's the product of the operation that deeply analyses information to find hidden meaning. Doing so systematically using your 1st system, as you call it, will produce an effect quantifiable as 'creativity' or 'openness'. It makes sense. Look at the brain scans. Almyglada plays a huge role in regulating emotion, simply because (I believe so) that it is the center that evaluates scores attached to memories to judge their immediate relevancy or not. This is where I believe neuro-atypical like autism or otherwise a form of high sensitivity are different. This would explain most issues we find unquantifiable now among people. Simply because we've been treating it as one self-balancing system, rather than 2 separate self balancing but symbiotic systems. They don't clash because they have different roles to play, their domain of interacting on information is simply so vastly different, that they only have a limited bandwidth of 'conversation' ability. Therefore, our subconscious can reason rediculously fast because it has fast access to long term memory, much like an indexed rational database, while our conscious thinking can go rediculously deep or far without losing integrity of thought (Like a heavily nested function running on cpus). But where the magic happens is when the subconscious is conditioned to operate in very specific way, in sync with a retrained conscious mind. When this happens, there is an efficient transfer of information and awareness. This phenomenom could be explained as enlighting or clearing the fog. This isn't anything fancy I'm mentioning here, they're habbits. Habbits is when an action or thought is attached to a larger underlaying body of memories of high value residing in the subconscious mind. You don't think about it, because simply because you don't see a problem with it. There isn't. The information resides in the subconscious mind. It'll use the information as long as it is deemed relevant. This is where contradictory ideas will start plagueing the mind. Once you start seeing truths after having lived in an illusion of sorts, the world becomes a different place. As a child, our brain are not fully developed yet. Memories do not form connections that sustain rational thought. The fundamentals of rational thought become stronger after each repetitive step over a period of time. Its nothing more than very specifically crafted habbits based on tiny yes-no switches in our brain trained like any other artificial neural network would.
Sorry for the long rant there, bud. As for OPS, I've noticed an increase of contradictory usage of terms. One of the last videos told about Fe and Te and even proceeded to pose examples that could be interpreted as either. Now not saying their principles are wrong, but surely I haven't seen evidence that prove the opposite. Their system is like a broken math system. Its an axiomatic truth, it is true because the model is built of from probabilities and then rationalised. This is not science. Don't get me wrong. It is okay by me that they do this, because every single person who says they're wrong, they had to excersize deep thought and took effort to stand up for their ideals. That takes some significant cognitive investment no other animal can do.
It goes to show that despite a model like this in my opinion, not being rationally useful, it does have its purposes.
However, just like any other hate out there, I'm still watching. Its simple. They're trying to convey principles, not rationale. it may be hard to pick out the dirt and ego from it, but surely if they feel its worth the effort to put online, there must be something in it. Whether it is money or knowledge, only time will tell.
I think you're both amazing, but I have to admit, you can be fairly hard to follow with the jump-talk. Love to new vid, though. Always look forward to them!
Thinking I have M-Ni demon. Hmm...
Interesting video. #totallytriggered. 😂🤣😋
Ugh! Dave is such a cutie. I can't stop staring at him and daydream. 😍😙 hahaha 😂😅
That’s for you guys who have the Te saviours. Meanwhile for us Ti folk, screw organizing in the real world lol.
Love the videos but this one lost me, time to rewatch your early videos about functions I guess
I must have none of these functions.
I'm just like you guys are weird.
IDK I have both Ni and Te both masculin, I think
The red wave from china 😊😊
I wonder if more EJ’s and IP’s have masculine intuition and EP’s and IJ’s have masculine sensory
That's an interesting question. I'm INFJ, so Ni dom, masculine. Stubborn as hell about inner world stuff I believe in, e.g Pink Floyd are the greatest band who've ever lived; fight me!
Ne in a savior [such as an INFP, Fi Ne]; strikes me as being the closest thing to that mythic female intuition. If so, it would be both strong AND masculine. I mean, INFP's are stubborn as hell about their Fi, and I can only imagine that's also backed up by strong Ne. I mean, I can imagine a female INFP being very feminine overall-perhaps the most feminine person in the room; but having masculine Fi and Ne-because they're both so strong.
My Se is a demon btw, so probably not masculine, lol. But that's another question, wouldn't a demon ALWAYS be feminine, because it's simply not asserting itself?
I'm INTP,
M Ti
F Ne
M Si
F Fe
I wonder if M Thinking and M Sensory typically go together and F Intuition and F Feeling go together?
I'm confused by this masculine and feminine. What does that mean? How does it relate to your functions?
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Thank you
Masculine Ni hero is so annoying.
Hahaha so darn true.
I think you could say that about any dominant masculine function
@@abecadlo15 Yeah, but I'm a double masculine woman lmao.
But it really does massively increase your chances of having great taste in music and art, especially if combined with IF and J. Roger Waters-who wrote practically all the melodies and lyrics for Pink Floyd before their decline; was INFJ. Gilmour, who's an S [also an FJ]; was a great guitarist, but lacked the ability to write timeless melodies-the HARDEST thing to do in music, and his lyricism also lacks Water's sensitivity.
Contrast that with ESFP and ISFP; they [at least the ones I know] utterly lack the ability to sort the wheat from the chaff, are true subjectivists/relativists who genuinely believe crap like "there is no good or bad art/music, only art/music you like or don't like", are shallow [i.e disregard group consensus-which includes scientific means of evaluation-so not just art or music, hell, the one's I know don't even read-yet are opinionated nonetheless-because of their Fi-their feelings make something "true" or not]; and their music taste is dreadful, because that critical/evaluative muscle for judging; atrophied decades ago. So when they do [hypocritically] make judgements, as all must [such as liking a song]; they always get it wrong. Inevitably. They lack sensitivity, nuance, critical thinking skills and consequently possess poor aesthetic judgement. Now if they're feminine regarding their saviors, it's not so bad. But if they're masculine, i.e really blast their atrocious taste in music and belief that "there is no good or bad music..."; someone who has savior Ni: couldn't be in the same room as them.
Cool, now u guys are acting human again. I was worried that too much head talk was turning y’all into literal robots. ~ INFJ-A Ni Dom
Yo Shan’s kinda fine😮
I just like to watch these two not know what the hell they're talking about. Ni is metaphorical and you don't verify with Se. That's Si.
I’m legitimately curious because I’m unsure about their system, what makes you say this? Why is it Si and not Se?
This video is not abou mbti, it's about their own personality system that they created - OPS. They 110% know what they are talking about since it's THEIR system lol
@@Mayakran Si verify facts/matter (w/Te) biotic/ontological (w/Fe). Se just see detail (along with living in the present or enjoying the moment etc)
You use all cognitive functions. Each cognitive function can do a lot of specific thing depending on its strengths/dimensions and if it's valued or unvauled. These two don't even believe in "shadow functions" They think you only use your valued 4. The only thing I find them useful for is knowing sub-types. Which isn't original to them anyway.
I study mainly socionics
@@AnaMargaridaSings FYI it's not THEIR system. Everything they're teaching is not original to them. It's just MBTI and some Socionics repackaged using different words. These two want to make MONEY and honestly I don't blame them. typology is a great sector to fool people at the moment.
Couldn't have said it better. They conflated Si and Ni a long time ago and haven't looked back. Infamous for mistyping Frank James as an INFJ.
Can you type kobe Bryant?
They already typed him in class.
@INTJ on progress haha absolutely I am! But I guess I’m not allowed to mention his type as my comment where I revealed it was deleted. Oh well. Hopefully Mika joins the class.
Istp
@@AmberAndIce well post it again lmao
@@RandomPerson28337 LOL no! Take the damn class! :p
Tfw ocd
Another 5 min OPS horoscope. If you don't have 5 min or want to waste your time, here's a summary: "We don't know what Ni is, but we suck at organizing our cabinets. Ni is basically Si right? We are still using clips of Trump because we're special snowflakes."
Lol you sure are early for someone who doesn't like OPS
Hye there, just checking up again because i haven't seen your comment in recent OP videos. Are you okay? It's almost a month now
Trump basically brain washes ppl through lying and repetition lol.. He's the closest one can get to being a living cartoon..
I'm happy for America but will strangely miss some comedy in the news, comedians will actually have to use their brains somewhat for material now!