Testing a Rather Mystical Macintosh Color Classic
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- čas přidán 14. 03. 2022
- Received this lovely Apple Mac Color Classic computer from 1993 the other day, hugely exciting stuff in my book. So let's check it out real quick and see how much work it needs!
Oh and I guess this month is #MARCHintosh2022 and it entirely slipped my mind while filming this. Honestly didn't plan on making this an official entry into that, but hey, it sure fits in with the theme. Definitely search for that hashtag on CZcams to find a bunch of other Mac-related videos being posted by folks this month!
Oh and I guess this month is #MARCHintosh and it entirely slipped my mind while filming this. Honestly didn't plan on making this an official entry into that, but hey, it sure fits in with the theme. Definitely search for that hashtag on CZcams to find a bunch of other Mac-related videos being posted by folks this month!
Happy #MARCHintosh anyways! :D
Works as a great entry!
Heck yeah, happy #MARCHintosh2022 to all! Great Color Classic you got there, I'm excited to clean it up and see it running for years to come.
is that a Quick Time Sticker on the front of that mac?
#MARCHintosh2022 if you don't want to look at time stamps of a #MARCHintosh post :)
Ooooh that's one classically colorful beaut!
That it is! Looking forward to seeing more of the one you've been working on
Hello Action! :)
What video game consoles dose lgr have? any games with them
I'm suscribes to both LGR and Action Retro, this vid appeared on my feed and I thought it was the part 2 for the Mac Frankenstein lol
I got myself a Mystic because of ActionRetro’s build. I mean to be fair I collect retro gear that I upgrade and mod to the very top possible spec that it’s compatible with (stuff like classic iMac g3’s running the Summer 2001 700mhz CPU, max’d ram and SSD, etc… in this Apple context and wayyy more), but Action Retro’s videos made me finally pull the trigger on these insanely expensive rigs
Dude the thumbnail gave me chills just seeing this! I was in grade one in Canada and due to the language barrier of only knowing Portuguese as a kid this mac was the machine that taught me to speak, read and write in English. Incredible to see something from so long ago buried in the depths of memory get pulled out. Thanks for this video LGR.
As a Canadian, this brings back so many memories as well. My school growing up pretty much only had these, and I spent many years tinkering on them.
Brasileiro ou português? Reading this made me fuzzy inside
@@joshuaduplaa9033 Both of my parents immigrated from the Açores.
thats awesome
Right on man
"Well that's a good sign, we got ourselves a bong."
-LGR, 2022
My father brought one of those beauties home one day and I caught him playing Missile Command on it late one night. I was in awe of the system. Not only was it in color, but the carrying case it went into was a THING TO BEHOLD. He was always the first to chomp down on emerging tech trends. Even went so far as to introduce me to a guy at a PC shop when I was 11 to build five 386SX-16 clone PCs for my father. Learned a lot from that guy. Little did I know PC #5 would be mine... Or I'd be taking my father's ZEOS 386SX-16 laptop to high school...
Funny thing about my introduction into computers... I was five when my father brought home a Compaq Portable. I was in awe watching the cursor move in a spreadsheet application. Never knowing the future impact my father would have with Lotus 1-2-3.
Cut to 2022... I work in a field I NEVER thought I'd be in. Granted I wanted to work with computers. Often fixing things that could not be fixed. Never did I think I would work in healthcare IT. Or to have the amazing folks I work with to hand me a system and say "It's dead.", only to hand them the same system hours later saying "It's fixed!".
Still... Needles... Not my thing.
I swear if I ever come across this for cheap, I'll renovate an entire room in my house to look like a 90s home office, just to make a shrine for this to properly be on-display.
sponging on the walls, carpeted floors, external modem, bbs list printed out on the wall, AOL floppies reformatted.
renovating an entire room ain't cheap, the price of the computer will be a minor factor
Go all Frasurbane on the home office look
@@mgjk and decorations with extra squiggly lines
The old school Mac "BONG" definitely is nostalgic for me. So nice to see one of these old machines again.
It's funny because the one they still use on modern macos sounds like a 64kbps sound file ripped straight out of 1993.
My elementary school was FULL of these! There's a sketchy computer repair shop close to where I live and if you go up to the window, you can see one with the name of the school corporation still written on it in marker!
They used a Finder replacement called At Ease to keep kids from messing up all the settings and making sure that all you could launch was the approved edutainment software all of them had. Naturally I figured out how to bypass it and my parents got quite a few calls home...!
I love the more off-the-cuff style of Blerbs. It gives off the feeling of hanging out with a buddy, geeking out over something cool.
I'm sure it's already been mentioned, but those two smaller modules are for the system ROM and video RAM, not main system RAM. You can unofficially install a 128 MB SIMM to upgrade it to 132 MB total (combined with the 4 MB onboard), but that causes a very long delay of staring at a blank screen when you turn it on, since these Macs check the RAM before they initialize the video. And as mentioned by others, you can get a 3D-printed rear panel that matches the ports of the LC 575 logic board.
he wont do that
@@everythingpony It's not that he won't, but he could.
wow this is cool
The 3D-printed thingy looked a lot like a RaSCSI, which would actually be quite a good thing.
Ooh, the Mac Color Classic! My mom had one of these back in the 90s! I’ll never forgive her for selling it at that garage sale…
How much she get for it?
@UCOGvM_OYBgR96lMuAop05Pg No clue. She sold it back in ‘97 so probably not much at all.
Could be worse, my parents sold all their Apple stock a couple years before the iPod was released 🤦
I think its time you call up your mother and tell her you forgiver her for selling the Mac. Its been many years. Thats a long time to hold a grudge over selling an old Mac computer. Its not worth the grudge.
How I feel about my Apple IIgs and all its software and books.
Ahh the classroom computer from middle school. Cool fact I discovered, if you double clicked the paint bucket icon at startup you could bypass At Ease and get to all the applications they didnt want you to use like Sim City 🤯😁 That won me lots of hacker cred in 7th grade 🤣
Same. I went to a small K through 8 school. We had these ones, later on I think some Mac Performas from like 95 or so and then I think my last year they got some brand new iMacs, those neon ones. The older grades would get the better computers and they would essentially hand down the older ones to the younger classes.
Wow, I’ve been trying to figure out what that alternative desktop from my memories was called…At Ease. Thank you!!
I remember discovering that a file dialog in one of the Microsoft Office applications had a way to delete a file from the filesystem and you could use it to browse to the folder where the At Ease binary was and delete it which disabled At Ease (at least my memory says it worked for the exact combination of hardware, OS, At Ease version, MS Office version etc that the lab in question had at that time)
Yes! when randomly clicking on stuff could get you into unauthorized stuff!!!🥰 Good times.
I was the technology specialist at a private school in 1992, and we used At Ease mostly successfully. One tech-savvy student got around At Ease a few weeks after we opened the lab with the new computers. We caught him and he was very apologetic. He was in fact a very good student and did not have ill intent other than to "see how to do it".
When the gentlemen that gave that too you shows up to your house wearing a sweater with the same bears on it as the OS background….run!
So many of us here remembering these little fellas from our elementary school days, I remember around Grade 4 they got replaced with G3 Macs, while we had these though they were seemingly magical little machines to my young mind.
Alongside our old beige windows XP tower at home they both kinda set the roots of my love of computers to this day.
I think if I saw one of these or a G3 appear locally I would be desperately scrambling to get it and give it a new home in my collection, and they are the only Apple devices I truely desire still.
Even all my windows hardware runs Linux now but I would deffinitly preserve the original OS of these classic Macs
We had one of these in our computer lab in grade 5 in addition to all of the greyscale Mac Classics. We would fight over access during typing class so we could get on and play Kid Pix in colour! Awesome blerb.
I remember using one of these machines back in high school in early 1996. I think the school ones were outfitted with the default 4 MB of RAM and had OS 7.5 on them. They were so slow and painful to use they put me off of Macs for a number of years. My 1992 486 PC that had 12 MB of RAM and a CPU upgrade running Windows 95 seemed like a speed demon compared to any of the school Mac Color Classics!
Still though it's very cool to see this surviving machine! I'm sure you'll give it the love and care it deserves!
It would feel like that…this crippled budget entry level Mac - even when new - was sporting a 16mhz 68030 cpu + with the OS updated to 7.5…..more like a 386 running win 95…..s l o w
6:45 After Dark games were such a crazy idea: remember that they could only use the modifier keys for input, since these did not terminate the screen saver. But press any other key, or accidentally move the mouse, and the screensaver (and your game) was gone.
I had no problem playing Lunatic Fringe module/game using the keyboard or even the Gravis game pad on the LC II.
Yes, I -wasted- spent many hours playing Lunatic Fringe ...
Yeah, I had a Quadra 650, quite a bit beyond this Mac, but I remember having no problems switching After Dark to some sort of game mode. I was also in my mid-20s at the time, so I would do things like read the directions... lol 😁 I'm pretty sure that was just you not knowing what you were doing, not a problem with the games.
The smaller SIMMs on the board are VSIMMs to upgrade video memory. I've actually got an LC575 with a battery eaten board, which it's just about impossible to find a replacement for because people use them for these mystic upgrades.
Sounds like a good candidate for a RaspberryPi case... The biggest problem being how to interface to the display.
I have an lc575 in the basement, I better check the board to make sure battery hasn’t destroyed it!
Watxh his video about the warehouse in Texas. How far are you willing to go…..
@@scurvy3113 I've been to Computer Reset four times. Nothing like this has been there for a long time at this point.
Doing the 640x480 mod makes it more compatible with games and programs that require minimum 640x480. Sim City 2000 is one of them I think.
if you have a video card driving a second monitor at 640x480 or higher, its possible to start the game, resize it, and play it at 512x. I play it in that way on my SE/30 that way!
I have a Color Classic. I put the LC550 logic board in it to make it more usable and love it. That board uses the same port layout and the computer identifies itself as a Color Classic II which is cool.
So glad I stumbled across this video! The Color Classic was quite an amazing machine! I miss my Color Classic!
One of the first hacks I pulled off in the early 90's was to overwrite the At Ease extension with a ClarisWorks document and then reboot... full access to the entire machine after that! Lol!
Clint: I have a Mystic I built some years back. Mine is full blown: full 68040 CPU 130mb memory a rewire to the video circuits to get higher resolutions, Extra video memory and it has been over-clocked: (100mhz).Oh and a 2gb SCSI drive plus 2x external CD, a Asante ethernet card and a Apple II card. I used to write articles for retro-tech magazines back in the day and wrote this one up. Mystics are awesome
Content like this makes me love your channel. I just love it.
I don't have as much nostalgia for the Color Classic as I do for some other classic Macs, but it does remind me of a time when I went to a children's museum, and they had a Color Classic with Kid Pix in the section intended specifically for preschoolers/Kindergarteners.
I remember using a Macintosh Centris/Quadra 650 (Yes, it has an internal optical drive) that one of my aunts owned back in the day. Seeing any Macintosh from that era boot up without fail always brings out the child in me.
Mannnnn that takes me back! My middle school was full of these back in the day. Great find Clint. You are the nostalgia king!
That After Dark collection is pretty good. I was a beta tester when I was a kid for the Windows versions and it was so much fun. The Star Trek add-on was excellent, I still have a poster for it.
I grew up on a SE FDHD and then Mac II with almost *exactly* those peripherials, my aunt had a Color Classic. This, especially when you showed After Dark, is just the most wonderfully nostalgic thing i've seen in a while!
We had these in my elementary computer lab! I've been dying to remember what model it was, and as soon as I saw the thumbnail I couldn't believe it. Thanks for the hit of nostalgia.
That's a cool little computer. Brings back many memories. Thanks for sharing!
Dang, I love (and loved back in the day) the hidden handle right on top of the case of these Macs. Sure, you sliced your fingers on the sharp corners but it was convenient and slick.
We had one of these at my grade school back in the 90s. Something about it's tall design always intrigued me.
I appreciate your channel. Very positive and it is cool seeing the retro technology from back in the golden age. I started on an 8086 running DOS 3.0... haha.
What an absolutely beautiful and generous gift to the channel. That is not a cheap gift (I googled the prices, WOW), love to see the support for LGR.
All the but the art teachers in my high school had a similar looking slightly newer Mac Colour Classic II sitting on their desks. Art class teachers had pizza box PPC Mac Perfomas. The AIO Macs were everywhere in education facilities here, but they were almost always larger 13-15" models.
Never would've guessed old beige Macs would be valuable when I got rid of mine back in ~2007.
OMG yes! My school had a lab FULL of these! Along with another full of Apple 2Es
Oregon trail time!
Nice! First computer I ever used was an Apple IIe at school
@@LGRBlerbs I can just see a young Clint slowly typing farts into his apple II with a wide maniacal smile growing on his face
@@LGRBlerbs Nice! They were my second computer. My family had a Commodore 64 at home. I should pull that beast out of storage haha.
Wow what a cool addition to your collection!
I have a '91 Macintosh Classic with the traditional black and white display (as well as a Classic II). This is the best look I've ever seen of the Color Classic! Thank you for this.
I havent seen your videos recently, but i like the new shelving! I outghta start spring cleaning before, well, any time now. Good video
Cool video! That Mac is very similar to the one my school had around that time; NumberMaze and Oregon Trail and that mac paint program with explosions. Fun times. Cheers!
great video and what a sexy computer. really into the mid-to-late 90s curvy look Apple was going for
Greetings and things, Clint! Nice work, the Macintosh Color Classic looks pretty cool!
We got these at my elementary school in 94 or so? went out for Christmas vacation and when we came back the 25 or so Commodore 64's were all gone and these replaced them. Was quite the shock and change to 10 year old me.
I remember seeing a fleet of these at the computer lab at LSU back around 93-94’ when my friend Erik would take me there to hang out because his dad and mine were both teaching there.
He showed me all the games that these could play and he was pretty stoked about them.
I had one of these in high school, loved it.
its so on my list of macs to get one day is one of these, your so lucky to get one that works
I remember a few years back I turned one of these into a TAKKY (PowerMac 6500 300MHz PowerPC 603e motherboard swap). Was the hardest mod I’ve ever done but in the end it could run MacOS 9.1, Doom II at full FPS, and quake at an OK frame rate (however if I used a 3D accelerator card it would run well but only on an external monitor). The modding scene for these computers is crazy and it’s all well documented in This Does Not Compute’s video.
The port layout is different on the LC575 vs the original Color Classic logic board so from what I've gathered most people would just leave the back piece off after upgrading. Interesting that the owner in this case decided to hack the ports out instead. These days there are 3D print options to replace the back to make it look cleaner
You need to chime in on Mac84 as he does a lot of recapping
Omg!!! So much love for this computer. I would list after it as a kid.
When I was in elementary school in the late 90's, I was the resident Mac nerd, I loved all the old Apple II's, LCs, etc. When my school got rid of everything to replace with the sawtooth G3s, they gave me A BUNCH of old pizza box LCs, LC575 all in ones, Apple IIgs, etc. Like 6 of each. I had my own little vintage mac lab set up in my room where'd I'd tinker with them, network them, tear them apart and put them back together, etc. Now I'm absolutely kicking myself for throwing them out in early-mid 2000s.
We had these in school!!! What a throwback...
I remember seeing one of these in a store back in 1993. I was really tempted to buy it, as I found the color Sony Trinitron display to be quite beautiful and sharp (up until that point, I'd only used a LC with a B&W monitor).
Really cool seeing one of these again, when I was working at a local computer shop an older man dropped of this machine and a bunch of software and accessories for it. I believe it even included a very early version of photoshop. Still kicking myself to this day for not keeping it
Makes me happy when you get giddy about neat retro tech!
I was just in the middle of a retro Macintosh deep dive on CZcams (my first computer was a Macintosh Performa 630CD) and it's crazy nice that LGR and the algorithm has blessed me so.
I LOVE IT! This reminds me of my childhood... (Actually the one I remember is the black & white screen ones)
(11:52) I have always been fascinated by boards that have a socket for some sort of chip. It always makes me wonder what it was for and what it could do with whatever was intended to get slotted in. Oh, the possibilities! The possibilities!🤪😉
It was for an 68881 FPU. Some Macs, like the LC and LCII, did not have a socket for a FPU, you had to use the PDS slot. Since there was only one PDS slot, this allowed you to have both the FPU and Ethernet at once.
@@straightpipediesel Wow. Thanks! 😀
@@CybershamanX geeze, I guess I'm old because I remember just about every board having a socket. Hardly any Mac owner actually got an FPU, it was stupid expensive. IBM PS/2s tried various proprietary sockets for chips and even RAM, and Compaq and other clones experimented as well. Very many of them stayed empty, sometimes the intended board never went into production. Manufacturers were still wondering if people would stubbornly hang onto the same computers for 20 years. Windows 3.1 and '95 showed people were willing to buy an entirely new PC, taking advantage of Moore's Law. I had the fascination, too, but it often turned to frustration, and now, still, vendors on ebay are charging extortionate prices for vintage upgrades.
Yep, the square socket accommodated a co-pro (IIRC though certain Macs needed a ROM upgrade, one reason why ROMs had a dedicated slot instead of discrete chips). Also the rectangular chip in a socket is the net boot (NetBIOS) chip - which allowed the Mac to operate like a dumb terminal and boot up over the network
Your first Mac was my first Mac. And my Mac was my first PC. I loved that thing to death. (Literally, because before a lightning strike made it a blue smoke generator, I couldn't even save a 1K file.) After that, I got a Gateway Windows machine with Windows ME. The 575 was what I learned all the PC basics on, it's what made me absolutely fall in love with anything PC. Hell, I still have my Myst journal from the big box Mac version I got when I was a kid. My 575 had the Performa badge on it, but it was essentially the same machine as yours.
I love that you were so close to letting us know where you live before your brain said "NOPE". Thanks for yet another trip down memory lane. The design language of this Color Classic brings me back to my first Mac - a Performa 7200CD.
He's definitely mentioned it before. I seem to recall it was Winston Hills but I"m sure it's not because that's in Australia and Clint is in North Carolina.
I had the tray loading CD ROM for my LCIII back in the day! They are huge.
Beautiful Machine. I love early 90s Macs.
Love the color classic. I always wanted one as a kid.
Thank you Robert!
SOLID blerb! Congrats on the Color Classic! That is my one remaining "Beige Whale".
My first computer was a Performa, but man everything about that boot sequence and wallpaper was pure nostalgia.
As I had used BOTH the Color Classic and the 500 series as a retired Teacher, that 10 vs 14 inch screen was a huge thing back then! I had an LC-II at home with a LC-575 as my main computer, and a color classic as my backup until the District bought in Windows Computers. Miss those old Macs so much!
6:36 I remember the API for writing your own After Dark modules came with the software -- might have been an addendum to the manual, or a file on disk. So they encouraged the writing of third-party (fourth-party?) modules. I did one which played QuickTime movies.
Thats a Sweet find!. I remember my parents shopping for a first computer in Novermber '93 and it was down to either the Color Classic or Performa 550 and they went the latter. Those machines incredibly can sometimes be upgraded with PPC or maybe even G3 with accelerators I remember reading in my old magazine articles. But they were pricey, and I'm sure quite rare these days. lol. Anyway Enjoy that little beauty :)
Nice to see a vintage mac here!
This plus Kid Pix? Fun. lolz
"The quick brown fox jumped over the lazy FART." lmfao
Definitely not as clean/sexy of a case design as like the SE/30, but still a lovely piece of color Mac history. I owned one of the early Mac II (68020) that I upgraded as far as I could before jumping into a Power Computing clone back in that time period.
why is he not understanding that this i not the classic you need.
It looks like a landscape photo squished into portrait aspect! Definitely an interesting model!
14:20 That particular “time zero” was apparently the birth date of one of the Apple engineers. It’s mentioned in an old Technote somewhere.
I was wondering, I think 12/31/1969 was the usual "time zero" for Macs. This had to do with "Unix Time (or Epoch)". Before writing a proper calendar program, B&K just made a second timer count from the beginning of the year (this was around mid-March of 1970, on a PDP-7, I think) At this moment it's Unix Epoch 1647460917. Many Apple programmers used Unix, that was the inspiration for A/UX, which was whittled down to Macintosh Programmer's Workshop, which was about $400 in the mid-90s. A lot of history in that glitch!!
No, the Mac time zero used to be 1st January 1904.
Had these things in my high school journalism classroom. We used them to design the school paper, but it also had Lode Runner: The Mad Monk's Revenge on it which was awesome.
Also, the jailbars in the display could be down to old caps.
10:22 As I recall, the 68LC040 was a cheaper version of the 68040 without the built-in hardware floating-point capability.
You can replace the 68LC040 with a full-blown 68040 chip, but be careful to get a real one. There are a lot of 68LC040 chips relabeled as 68040s.
LC stood for Low Cost. There were buggy versions typically found in 68LC040-based Apple Macintosh computers. "Chips with mask set 2E23G (as used in the LC 475) have been confirmed to be faulty." from Wikipedia
@@vwestlife Macs typically had buggy revisions of the 68LC040. That's the motivation for re-labelling them, they aren't just lower-teir; They have a fault relating to pending writes being lost when the F-line exception is triggered. Also the microcode can't be updated, the only solution is to get an authentic 68040
I wish I had all those AfterDark modules! I remember getting exceedingly good at playing Lunatic Fringe on our old LC II.
Absolutely love these.
I loved this computer as a kid. In grade school it was awsome to use.
i remember those from school. we had 90% classics, but a few color classics, and SE's and LC's. that was about it for us to use, teachers had other models in their classrooms though, even some still with the old apple IIc machines
Oh that is so cute. Very cute old Mac.
Quicktime! So much nostalgia.
That Mac is great, but I can’t take my eyes off the Voodoo 5 6000 box in the background!! Please do a video on that sometime. So much nostalgia for 3dfx.
i saw one of these as a kid in the 90s in a display i believe at the entrance of a walmart, and lusted after it so hard. perfect kid-sized computer in the 90s
I wish people wouldn’t modify these with a lc575, keep it og , I’m a proud owner of one and the limitations is part of the appeal for those that grew up with it. This was the first computer I ever used and started my love affair with tech
Gosh those sounds are hardwired into my memory
A charming machine
One review I remember described the styling as “porcine”.
such a beautiful sony crt
I always wanted to get a Colour Classic and do a Mystic upgrade. The Japanese Mac mod scene was nuts in the late 90s/early 2000s, guys were packing G3 accelerator cards into these systems. So cool.
Very cool! They've been getting more and more difficult to find, especially with all the accessories like yours. I've been thinking about getting one to do a mystic upgrade on, since my LC575 has a super brittle case that's already stated breaking. But I haven't seen one sell for a reasonable price on the electronic bay website for years (at least in my neck of the woods).
The SCSI CD-ROM is a nice addition, but a RaSCSI would be the perfect thing to go with it. Especially with the Ethernet port.
a lot of these were turned into "Macquariums" in the 90s, and in the trash. Few thought anyone would want such an outdated computer years later.
Have never seen one of theses before. Very interesting design.
Yeah, I remember the days I used to use the original Macintosh at high school. They let us play Prince of Persia after the lesson, so I got hooked on the game, which made me seek the SNES version later. Fun times!
I used to install Performa motherboards into this model. It required a highly modified loom, plus modifying the monitor section to handle 640x480 video. Worked like a charm. Turned it into a real power machine. Well, in those days it was impressive. These days - not so much.
You know, that Mac eject sound never ceases to please me.. Takes me back so it does..
I agree with you. I really liked it when first seen, nearly got one too.
13:17 "That's a good sign, we got ourselves a bong." ~ LGR, 2022
Very nice machine!