Xwing 2 0 Problems
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- I discuss issues around the release of the 2.0 version of Xwing from missing items, to bad design decisions, and my thoughts about it. Feel free to leave a comment about your thoughts about this launch.
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Adding a damage deck and templates to each individual conversion kit would raise the prices. When I need to get all 5 faction conversion kits why would I want to pay for 5 sets of templates and 5 damage decks? Having a new core box set makes more sense.
I have been buying 1.0 ships cheap used off pissed off people and buying them new at stores at 50% off so I'm making out like a bandit, not going to 2.0 and been playing 1.0 with family and friends.
Me and my friends are doing the same, there's just no way we'll go to 2.0
Thankyou for calling this out
It's not a bad business decision. You bought it.
I did not, Brought my X wing Game to a complete halt. now they are just V1.0 Collectables
Still on 1.0 playing with family & friends over a cuppa or a beer, works great.
Problem is, I don't use to use an app to get things set up. One day the app will lose support and their website already has dead not updated links already thanks to 2.5 1.0 with how easy it is to understand is objectively better. When there is balancing issues a lot of it boils down to "Don't allow turreted ships"
As a Scum faction player, my absolutely biggest gripe with the conversion kit was that even though there were 4 dials and 4 Tansarii Point Veteran pilot cards for M3A, there were only 2 Tansarii Point Veteran ship tokens included. That means there are going to be a lot of those pilot cards laying around, when people have to buy 2 conversion kits to fly 4 ships.
As a principal decision, I only purchased a single Scum conversion kit and have been bartering with my ships from other factions to get the Moldy Crow title, 2.0 Damage Deck, maneuver templates and other various upgrades etc.
I've never even considered buying the 2.0 core as that would leave me with 3 ships (and their cards) I'm never going to fly anyway.
Almost all I can live up to but buying another Core Set is really annoying that I am considering to stay with 1st
Amen man. Amen
Thanks for the video. Let me provide a different perspective from a casual X-wing player. All I have is the original core set to play with friends once in a while. I do agree with TGG that not providing a simple conversion for the original core set is a bad decision because I do not want another core set. Additionally this major change in the game system does not give me the warm fuzzies and if I do decide to get serious about wargaming I will probably choose another game that is more established.
I think the same, the 1.0 looks more fun to me, and the prices are way better
Very True! am sticking with 1.0
I am only moderately invested in X-Wing, but watching this I'm thinking I may just try to grab more v 1.0 stuff when it goes on steep, steep discount. Have you ever tried the solo/coop Heroes of the Aturi Cluster? It might make for a good review-through.
You know what it probably would. I have tried it on tabletop simulator, but i dont have the physical components. I'll look into printing it out.
wow I would have thought the kits came with enough dials to field a squadron and new ship bases for one of every faction ship released. and i expected some stuff to be sold individually for those massive collections.
When I saw the boxes in my local game store, I looked at the contents and wondered how did FFG know what I had. I have three core sets. 6 tie fighters and 3 x wings. Two of the very first core boxes and one for the Awakening with Po Dameron and the new x wing at that time. Not covered in the expansion box. I think they need to make something that lets me pick for the specific ships i want as I also don't have some the ships in the conversion box. So now i'm buying for ships I don't own. Not worth the money or the upgrade for me at this time.
thank you, this information cut me off for buying second edition. ffg is really a freak gang!
Could not agree more.
A friend and I have pretty good sized collections and figured there would be enough players staying with the first edition so we weren't going to bother switching. I've spent hundreds of $ on the game, if they would've offered a service to say enter your ship types and amounts and for $X we'll send you conversions kits for all your ships, I might have been interested. Buying crap I don't need or already paid for seems to be a trend in gaming companies both board and video games. I've been gaming for 35 years and seen game companies screw over their player base (yes games workshop looking at you) and not bat an eye and gamers keep spending money. I believe that if you want a game company to get a message about something you dislike the best way to let them know is not buying what you don't like. If you impact them they'll adjust or the game run will end and if you don't impact them, know that other people like what they've done and be content with them being happy.
Still play 1.0 and its fine. Have to many ships and stuff to convert, and i only play with family and friends. For me, 2.0 is a cashgrab. The problems could have been solved in a cheaper way.
Very similar feelings. I opened my Rebel conversion kit and two base sets today and started sorting everything. I have to admit I was apprehensive about investing in 2.0 and I still am.
Totally with you. I've been putting 2.0 off because of the major cash grab. It could have been done so much better.
You also missed that there are no shield tokens in any of the conversation kits
I bought all 3 kits. I agree with you. Not enough dial for TIE Fighter, and x-wing. Not enough medium bases, tokens. No shields tokens. No damage deck. Too many talent cards. More x-wing title cards than number of dial. Not enough turret pointers. Not enough "number" token to old down the turret. No target lock tokens with the new numbers... And so on...
Also another X-Wing 2.0 problem ... not all ships have been upgraded to 2.0 e.g. Tantive IV, the Rebel Aces etc etc This sucks balls, I'm going to have to buy a base set for the new rules etc, 2 x Rebel conversion, 2 x Empire conversion kits and 1 x Scum Conversion Kit .... £230+ .. SUCKS BALLS.
Good luck with X-Wing 2.0. They have chosen the wrong approach to deal with their customers. + For the rules,+For getting in clone wars,+ For getting digital tool regarding the upgrades although its buggy as hell,- For launching the same ships wrapped on a different package with 5 $ add on price,- For getting OP X-wing 1.0,- For failing moving parts (Look Saw X Wing),- For errors in X-wing cards of 2.0(No QA or play testing in FFG?Seriously are we going to start erratas and FAQs again?),- For the price and the content on the Conversion kits. The scale wavers towards to Minus.Its a money grab and a punch to the face of their customers that supported them so far and to some point FFG has to admit it.
People can buy 1.0 ships for cheap and save a ton of money by getting the conversion kit. It's not all bad. And you can keep playing 1.0 if you don't like 2.0
I agree special characters should not go on same tokens but when they make 3.0 not sure I can follow the game if 1 box can’t fix entire game wholly
Two additional things they missed for a Ghost player (which absolutely sucks in 2.0 btw, thanks FFG)
Turret marker does not fit on the Ghost stand.
You get 2 Jam counters, when chopper gives 2 per ship at 0 range....
The Core Set really isn't bad at all. Your way, you'd end up with three sets of templates, 3 damage decks, three sets of rules, way more tokens than you'd ever need, etc. Possibly more if you buy more than one of each conversion kit. Having it separate is nowhere near "kick in the teeth" territory, and the conversion kits would cost more if they added the core stuff to them anyway.
Also I don't think you can fly more than 4 medium base ships. If you can, you'd still have enough medium bases anyway since you get one with the reaper and the renegades too. So that's 6 with just one kit. Why on earth would you need more?
I'm sorry, but I find this video to be just a long rant of complaints about many frivolous things.
99% of people only play 1 faction.
Incorrect. There are some players that are faction specific, but it's more like 20-30%. And most players still buy ships of any faction for the upgrades. I just think your post is kind of misleading. It would be different if Imperial ships only came with Imperial upgrades, but that is not the case.
How about just sell the damage decks separately. How about instead of having Rebel Damage deck as a promo, it be a paid item? How about have Imperial and Scum damage deck? Guess who has 3 damage decks: Paul LaRu: www.paullarue.com/cards.html That is how FFG could have made money while still satisfying old customers.
ON TOP OF THAT, my TIE Fighters BOTH OF THEM are poor quality. Paint job sucks on Solar Panels. 1 has crooked wings, the other is completely sideways on the stand. Overall, This core set is the WORST quality out of all the cores that I own (1 original and 3 TFO's).
I would really would have liked the ability to buy individual ship components. To have enough dials for each of my ties or xwings, I'd have to buy multiple kits. Now, I realize that in a tourney game or a normal game for that matter, I really won't need a card for every ship i may own. However, we like to play large epic games where I, or someone else playing with us, may want to be able to use all of xwings or ties etc and that's an impossibility due to the number provided in the kits. I'd think individual packs for ship would allow people to buy what they need. Just my 2 cents
I agree with you Rand Arrington. Individual dial packs would have been smart. I also think generic ship templates would also have been smart. The ship templates right now are just cumbersom and DO NOT provide any information that isn't already available through the cards. I cannot read the pilot name on those tokens anyways. I just look at the ship number (which now all ships are required to have anyways).
Thank you for your honest review! I spent thousands buying every faction from 1.0 and untold hours painting them so it is nice to know I can just put a aftermarket turret marker on mt TLT ships. FFG has clearly chosen greed over customer quality of life.
Definitely not looking to move to 2.0... I'm thinking that my collection becomes a nice set of model miniatures on a shelf. Sad but that's the way FFG seems to care if I play or not. :(
You could just play 1.0 with friends though, couldn't you?
Or find others who would still play 1.0. I just don't think it's worth thinking that the release of 2.0 removes any value or use for 1.0 rules and tokens and whatnot.
I'm not a native speaker. Aren't "They are turning a profit on these" and "They are losing money on these conversion kits" two opposite things?
I think there was a audio glitch there. I said: "They aren't losing money on these." It appeared to do that a couple times throughout the video for some strange reason.
Thnx for clearing that up :)
They should have just banned certain cards from 1.0 to fix issues. I love my 1.0 collection but love the look of 2.0 ships.
So I know this is complaining to complain, but I appreciate the video to just get it out and move one. I 100% agree that if you bought a conversion kit you shouldn't have to buy a core set as that's the point of converting, not restarting? Especially, when all a conversion kit really needed was the damage deck; center line on a movement template is really not a drastic change to me. Also annoyed that the Resistance and First Order have their own kit, WTF! And it's sold as, "It's cheaper as its still a small faction of content." Gee, thanks. Lastly, I'm dying at the idea that between 3 conversion kits and 1 core set, there is only 4 shield tokens, Ion tokens, and evade tokens; really?!
Exactly so many small choices that could have been changed that would have dramatically improved this release for the Xwing community.
I've been playing since Wave 2 and at first I had mixed feelings with 2.0 but now I think it's going to be great for the game. In 1.0 I had to buy everything to stay competitive. Cards such as Expertise, Harpoons, and earlier on buying $100 ships just to get C-3PO and Palpatine/Adv X-1 cost tons of money. With 2.0 I can just stay faction specific and not have to buy Scum ships just to get upgrade cards. I think FFG just had to draw a line in the sand for what's included in the conversion kits. I probably need 4 to 5 of each conversion kit to convert my entire collection but now I can just stay faction specific and I only bought 1 conversion kit of each faction I don't primarily plan on playing so I can keep some casual lists around from those factions. List building won't be the same now where you can't mix Imperials/FO and Rebels/Resistence but again we can just focus on 1 faction. Warhammer for example had tons of factions but who played them all? I only had 2 and it was a huge investment. There will be collectors out there who want to collect everything but I believe for most people, they will stick to 1 or 2 primary factions. Remember prequel stuff is coming out soon too. For the core sets, I know I bought more than I needed in the past...maybe 4 or 5 original and 3 FA. I'm not to worried about getting 1 or 2, just to get an extra damage deck. This game is fun and a definite investment and the players just have to prioritize their investment. Playing and buying this game will not be like the 1.0 version.
If you buy a conversion kit, the number of shield, ion or evade tokens you need should be about 0 because you should have metric tone of them by now.
@@duskwalker1 except the designs have been altered for 2.0 .. shield tokens flip now with an alternate print on the opposite side...
They didnt include Token Conversions in the CONVERSION KITS..... they should have EVERYTHING one needs to CONVERT their 1.0 to 2.0
The BIG design change is you can flip them for convenience. THAT IS IT. They do not add any new mechanic nor they do not change anything about the game. You can still just use the old one like you did before.
I have already more then enough useless cardboard tokens, I don't need any more. And even if I hadn't, I have bought one ship expansion so far and I am already close to owning more 2.0 shield tokens then I could ever need.
Yea idk if it’s your first time with FFG, I’m still relatively new but they were up front and no matter what we all knew we’d be getting the core set no matter what lolololol
Sucks to suck at least im just getting into the game so, i just got to wait for the new waves, no kits. Just start over the kits are a wast of time and money. Glad they had a restart.
Folks in my group trade things in the conversion kits because everybody don't fly all their ships because in 1.0 I bought ship only for the cards knowing I would never fly that ship for example the e wing had it 3 years flew maybeeeeeee twice. I can only speak for my group when I say many people do not fly 3 of the same ship not saying it do not happen(I.E. SWARMS) but I think 2 dials is good
These don’t cover the epic faction ships either... probably not even the smaller ships they came with (e.g. the x-wing that came with the transport, etc).
Wait till the 2nd edition packs come out with pilots and cards that were never included in the first edition you will have to buy more copies of ships you already have several of.
Like you said, maybe a Cash Grab? A big key reason, in my opinion, that I am finding myself turning more and more away from FFG under their Asmodee overlords.
I agree with this statement as well. I seem to be less and less interested in FFG the longer Asmodee has owned them.
I wasnt so enchanted with FFG after noticing that just about all of there games have dice with blank sides. But I did get into legion... the variety of dice thrown helps some.
I am returning to the hobby, and I just noticed Luke is missing. Guess i will just print his card, stick it in a sleeve, along with the proof of purchase cardboard-piece.
No Luke is still in just with a different pilot ability. Don't remember if he is included in the core set though.
@@thegimpygamer he is missing from the conversion kit
Totally agree not enough of anything , didn't buy into it, all store tournaments use 2.0 so system is now dead to me.
They should have had very cheap dial/pilot packs.
I basically won't buy into anymore FFG series games and most other FFG games.
I completely disagree with you about the core box set issue. Having read through all of the rules changes, there's absolutely no way they could have just included a "pamphlet" of rules updates. You really need to full set of new rules. While it's still essentially the same game, almost every rule and component, down to even most of the tokens now being two-sided, have been so tweaked that a new set of rules is pretty much necessary.
So the way I see it was that they had the option of making a core set and a "full" conversion kit that included all of the new rules, but that would be even more costly...or go the route they did.
After all, they could have gone the D&D route and just basically invalidated pretty much all rules, modules, etc., from previous editions, so I'm actually pretty fine with the decision to offer the kits.
However, having said that, I do agree that a lot of seemingly boneheaded decisions were made with the conversion kits, most of which you outlined. One of the most obviously questionable decisions, like you said, was the structuring of the bases for the pilots. FFG is well aware of the tournaments and what are popular combinations. So they knew full well they'd be screwing over a lot of players' lists.
TL;DR I'm ok with the necessity of needing a core set along with conversion kits. I'm not all that happy with most of the other content in the kits.
Moaning about only 4 bases is a tiny gripe, I don't store them on the peg so I don't care though, 2 t65 is a fair point but at the same time you'd have people moaning that I don't play 6 a wings, why should I pay for cards I don't use
Disagree about the bases. Plenty of people store their ships by displaying them and they need bases for that.
Oh you need more than one kit, plus you need the core set again? Uh huh. No wonder I didn’t bother with 2.0, in fact I don’t buy anything from this mob anymore because it’s all about cash grabs now.
They lost me when they released L5r. “Here’s our new version of L5r, and by the way, you need 3 boxes!”. Ridiculous.
If your fed up with FFG and Asmodee’s business model, don’t buy anything from them, that’s my suggestion. Avoid like the plague mate.
Good to see someone calling them out for a change not like other fan boys and their Channels that buy and promote anything FFG and their Star Wars games.
Man, what a load of salt.... The conversion kits are sized to be an average among the players. Even if you want the one kit to cover all of your collection you do not think about the guy that don't have 6 x-wings and 12 Tie Fighters, maybe he don't want to pay for a kit he only uses 20% of. It's easier for you to buy two kits than for him to buy a fifth of a kit.
It's good to see videos that offer a different opinion to yours because it's bad form to only surround yourself with people that agree with you and I'd say 99% of my local community are in for 2.0.
I am going to break down your points and offer my own perspective as a game designer.
-App was certainly done badly. They dropped the ball on the app. It's better than it was at launch but it is still not quite there yet.
-The conversion kit was designed to convert a defined number of your collection to 2.0. What you have is 1.0. You can still play 1.0, but to convert ships over you need a coversion kit. You and others may see it as paying for stuff you already own, but you do not already own it because that's 1.0 stuff, it is a different game.
-As for just buying a conversion kit. I don't buy that. The common dominator between everyone is that they own or need to own a conversion it because it provides the updated templates (and they can't assume you have acrylics), the brand new damage deck which is now the ONLY legal damage deck, and tokens (because as you say, they did not include enough in the conversion kits). Including such things in the conversion kit creates an issue for someone who purchases multiple conversion kits. They've now paid for x amount of kits and have got x amount of duplicate templates, damage deck etc. FFG were also up front at the annoucement that you will need a core set plus a conversion it.
-As for the number of ships. The conversion kits were made as a catch all kit. The most you need to buy is two of one faction and that's only if you want the option to run a full 200 point list of everything but you will end up with extras in the case of large ships and TIE Defenders. Not sure why, but I think this was done as a middle ground to not take up shelf space, price yet also not need people to buy fifteen kits. Want to fly a TIE Swarm? Buy a TIE Expansion and you are done. You have 7 TIE Fighters there. (4 from the conversion, 2 from the core, and now 1 from the expansion.)
You don't NEED to convert everything over. I made this mistake. I went hard into 2.0 and got a cover and two of each coversion kit (I know). However, I didn't need to do that. It's something I noticed late into 1.0 that I'd buy enough ships to field 100 points of any ship type...but except with TIE Swarms I very rarely did that. I'd normally have a varity of ships in a list. I probably could have gotten away with 1 conversion kit. Oh well, I at least can fly whatever the hell I want and getting two solves the base card problem you mention later (although I do think it was a problem too).
-Shock horror, a company wants to actually make money. We don't know what they get from the conversion kits. They probably are turning a profit...the majority of people will be converting over, if you sell at cost and get 0 back, you get no money back for investing the time and money into development of the game, shipping etc. A profit has to be made for it to be commercially viable.
-To reiterate. You got multiple core sets of VERSION 1. Not 2.0.
-Agreed about base cards, should have been a bit more.
-Rebels vs Resistance. In 1.0 they were combined, they annouced clearly at the start that they were splitting off the factions. Yes you need to buy a conversion kit to convert resistance over because they were not done developing it and people may not want to move over to playing resistance.
A lot of the complaints I see you bringing against the game tend to come down with you comparing 2.0 to 1.0 like it was the exact same game. Also, if they were in it for the money...just make you rebuy all the ships. Easiest way to get the money. "Oh...you have all those 1.0 ships. Well they are 1.0 you'll have to wait and buy every ship in 2.0 again."
I think FFG have rode a tightrope of being accessible to new players...while also trying to retain older players and give them options. Not saying they didn't screw up though. The app was a disaster as I mentioned before, and the damage deck debarcle was awful, lucky I managed to get mine but sad for people who missed out.
I don't think you're talking out of your ass. It is your own opinion. I just disagree with it. No subscribe from me.
Fair points. I do believe that FFG could do some things that would ease the transition for everyone. For example I would like to see them offer individual movement dials for ships. A big issue for some is not enough dials for their ships in the conversion kits. Instead of the need to buy 2 kits for a faction as you suggest I would rather see 1 kit with the option to buy the individual dials to fill out your roster as needed. I however do understand that this idea could be cost prohibitive to them, but all you have to do is look to ebay to see the market for it.
In the end though I do agree with 2.0 being a good thing on the whole and impossible to make it a painless process. I am honest enough to admit they would have never made everyone happy no matter what they did.
FFG has become just like GW. Change everything every few years to create a money grab. They did the exact same thing with Descent. NONE of the first edition stuff worked. You needed a CONVERSION KIT! They're on the THIRD EDITION of Runebound for cripes sake! I won't be buying this...I'm switching over to Battlestar Galactica Miniatures Game!
It's a trap! :-)
Never buy 1st edition products if you don't want to throw money in conversion kits/deluxe editions later. I have no problem to wait for as long as it takes. We all have many other games to enjoy in the meantime...
Except 1.0 was not 1.0... it just was the game. WWI was the Great War until WW2 came along.
And the first edition ran for years it's not like many boardgames which get a revised edition in a year or so.
No doubt 3rd edition will come out once they start running out of new ship ideas.
Dude, I assume you've been playing X-Wing for a while now...FFG was always upfront, from the get go, that you would absolutely need to buy a core set along with the conversion kits.
Did you have an equal negative over Imperial Aces, Rebel Aces, Imperial Veterans, and Saw's Renegades? Or essentially needing an Imperial Raider for Tie Advanced to be playable (as well as the only way to get Palp except through a re-seller)? If not, why? All of those sets were basically bug fixes for ships you probably already bought, and cost close to what the conversion kits cost. The conversion kits OTOH didn't just fix one or two ships, it fixed entire factions.
I'm willing to bet if there was a 3 ship set like the aces packs that only fixed/updated those three included ships and had a few new upgrades, that would be a completely different video, even though it would have done less for the game.
Being up front about a bad decision doesnt change it from still being a bad decision. Regardless even if you excuse everything else the unique pilots being on the same token is still a massive blunder.
X-wing was release in 2012 and 2nd ed came 2018. So you need to buy 1 core set for 40bucks, and 1 conversionkit for 50bucks, thats 90 bucks in total to be able to play. Been playing warhammer40k for 23years now and you need to spend 60 bucks on a rulebook and 40 on a codex(armylist with pointcosts etc) about everyother year just to have the latest rules. So x-wing had 1 upgrade in 6years, during that time a warhammer player had spent 300 dollars to keep up with the rules and thats only rules, no models, no cards, no dice etc just 2 books. And trust me warhammer players have been screwed over so many times. We remove models from the game so you cant even play them anymore.
FFG could say nope new edition you need to buy everything new again, you cant use the old stuff but then ppl would prolly never start with 2.0 and just keep playing 1.0.
Point is that if you buy core and conversion then you get enough to play most of your collection and lists, ofc veterans will always be screwed since they have a big collection but what would you rather do, but 2-3 conversion kits or buy EVERYTHING new. think those conversion kits are pretty sweet even if the cost 50bucks.
Totally agree it’s a cash grab, and it’s not as if FFG didn’t already know this earlier. There were already quite a bit of rambling on forums when 2.0 was announced... but it appears FFG’s attitude is who cares?
Your video keeps skipping and cutting off your dialog.
Watching with a five year retrospective, it's so bizarre to see how much complaining there was about the conversion. To your question, I absolutely one thousand percent think you're talking straight out of the ass. Especially having been around gaming for decades and seeing how much other games ask you to spend on edition changes and how poorly those are packaged this conversion was clearly the best done attempt of all time. Even more so with the fault of AMG and their edition change. Crap hot-take videos like this are why I drink. So, cheers, I guess.
Having the benefit of hindsight can change everyone's opinion. Ultimately 2.0 was a pretty decent change. There was a lot of power creep in 1.0 so that gave them the ability to reset it back to where it needed to be. Having played through it during its implementation I would say that 2.0 was a positive change.
Where it is today would be a different story. I started getting away from Xwing when Fantasy Flight was no longer in control. What I found truly awful was that they created 2.0 to require a app, but then stopped supporting the app. They let 3rd party independent people create their own app that people used. If you are going to require a app then you have to support it.
I couldn't say how Xwing is doing currently as I haven't played in well over a year. I hope it's still going strong for those who want to still play. I might try to get back in when my kids are a bit older, but for now there are so many other good games to occupy me.
I don't think I was talking out of my ass here. Just voicing concerns. Seeing how games like 40k have been hurt by the constant "editions" I of course at the time didn't want that to happen to Xwing.
It's a fckn cash grab.... I'm a 1.0 vet and I just got into 2.0 (my gf got me the new core set and even two expansions, but they are for 1.0) and was considering the conversion kits, but good lord how much more do I need to shell out??!! Zero customer loyalty statute at FFG! Just like a lot of these greedy ass game companies like EA.. FFG have abolished the 1.0 game and want everything moving forward to be 2.0, and the vets are chopped liver.
Even though I agree with some points like the unique pilots sharing the same base, I think you complain too much. It’s basically a new game, you don’t play your new video games without the latest console right? So, we need a new core set, I’m actually happy they came with these conversion kits and not start from 0.
Ppl don’t need buy any of this, you can still play 1.0, but if you want to play the new game, there’s an investment. Maybe you’ll have to miss some drinks or a movie in exchange for hours of gameplay
My issue isn't the extra investment to switch to 2.0. I think the game needed to be refreshed. My issue is with the needless required extra investment that could have been avoided with better design decisions. I wonder how things might be different if Asmodee wasn't behind FFG now.
I don't mind needing the new core kit. It's the lack of tokens included like no shields in the imperial set, yeah I have plenty of old tokens, but that's not the point. Also as you pointed out having unique pilots on the same token is crap. Supposedly my local game store has a extra damage deck for me, I'll be annoyed if they don't as my wife and I play together from the same collection.
Gimpy Your bringing up the issue that has been brought up since the kits where discuseed. It doesnt have enough to convert my 12 ties, it doesnt have a insert for all my X-Wings. The kits where built to accomodate a List from what I can tell. Meaning they put enough in the kit to cover what your average player is going to put on the table at one time. Are there more than 4 Medium base ships for Rebels? Yes, but how often are you going to field more than that?
They didnt design these to accomodate the "collectors" who purchased 6+ of every small ship and want inserts and bases to pair with every single ship they have. They made them so people can make lists and run them.
Now I WILL agree with you on the Templates and Damage Deck not being in them being a issue. As you said it would be minimal expense for them. I dont want/need another X-Wing and 2 more Ties. Also I dont want all the tokens from it as after buying what I did, which wasnt everything and wasnt more than 2 of anything in 1.0, I was drowning in tokens so much that Ive been throwing the extras away. I wont need more than 10 TLs, 15-20 Focus, maybe 15-20 evades, 10 Stress and other tokens. Is that all in the Kit? Not likely, but thats how much Id LIKE to have not what I need.
Cash grab. Smart people working on this. This is no mistake. Sad to know.
Ass-modee screws gamers... yet again.
Sorry, but you're a couple months late to make this complaint. The contents were announced a while ago. You should have complained then. And, to me, your chief complaint falls flat. Your idea that the conversion kits should have also been core sets would have been fine if you're only buying 1 conversion kit. But if you buy more then one, you now just bought more core sets, with more damage decks, tokens and templates you don't need. It would have cost that player even more.
Sorry bud. Disagree with your arguments here.
Boo hoo, I’ve got to buy a conversion kit and core set to play 2.0, instead of literally having to buy each and every model all over again...wah!!!
A conversion kit is what, three times the price of a small ship? The core set is required to convert from 1 to 2, so you were going to have to convert.
So, buying two conversion kits, about the cost of six small ships, gives you enough bits to play at least four of each small ships of each type, as opposed to buying four of each small ship. It’s a win.
All this negativity about 2.0. Be honest, the only thing that would have made you 100% happy is if FFG called you directly to find out what you wanted and needed and then handed it to you at no cost. All this bitching is just for the sake of being on the bitching band wagon. Go play your precious 1.0 and leave the rest of us alone to enjoy 2.0 without all your negativity.
Who gives this vid a thumbs down? FFG is moving the way of GW and this will burn the game.