I wish there were SIS Agents and Sith Troopers as character classes. So Bounty Hunter and Smuggler could have been unique classes instead of Trooper and Agent counterparts.
I've been playing with a concept in my head, where Imperial Trooper and Republic Agent both give each faction access to the Assault Cannon and Sniper Rifle respectively. Since BioWare isn't as well funded, the storylines would be shorter and the character would start from a higher level, somewhere in 20-25 range. Disciplines would include Double DPS and Healer, only one Specialization. In terms chronology, they could either start around where other classes would be right after Capital World visit, and partake in the Main Game conflict, or they would shed light on the current Post-Zakuul situation.
Sith trooper wouldn't have worked. The Sith army doesn't reward excellence, it rewards obedience. You would die the first time you mouth off to some Sith.
@@Galayman2 Ah yes, the freedom seen on Coruscant where the unending masses of people live in abject poverty and squalor. At least the Empire provides for its citizens.
Has anyone noticed the imbalance in the storylines between the Empire and Republic? The Empire loses the Emperor, potentially loses an imperial agent, loses the entire Sith Council, etc etc What exactly does the Republic lose? Maybe one Jedi from the Council? Maybe a few ships if the Smuggler goes rogue?
Tup3x Techincaly speaking the Empire loses,and theres no other Sith Empire untill Darth Sidious reorganises the Republic into the Galactic Empire(which is also the largest),which is also the Siths greatest victory IMO,since they always tried to defeat the Jedi by force and always failed,yet Sidious achieved victory and managed to wipe pretty much everything the Jedi created from within. Also Emperor Vitiate(ToR) had to die,both for plot reasons and cus he would have wiped the galaxy clean of life.I do like the Empire stories better than the Republic ones though.
You actually call him in Shadow of Revan DLC which is cool. Also the latest DLCs make even more sense joining the Republic but I dont like the saboteur stuff. They should make it open fighting for the respective sides.
@@spectralassassin6030 its an mmo. Honestly the fact all your toons are voiced, and your decisions move you into the light or dark is good enough in of itself. You being able to defect from on side or the other is just icing on the cake. Yes it would be better if it had more significance game wise, but on top of being an mmo its an RPG. For the story, you should be immersing yourself into your character which will make up for the game significance of your decision.
Light-side Imperial characters get, hands down, the best storylines and character development. Everyone else gets to be cartoon-good and cartoon-evil; Imperial light-siders get to be people born into a quasi-fascist totalitarian state who try to undermine it and do some good for actual people instead of just ideals. (Light-side sith of both base classes have some particularly epic scenes like this...)
+MManuRere Not agree, at all. The republic SIS tries to enslave you as agent, and the Empire, toys with you. Both of them wants to use you, and then throw your body inside a no named bodybag when you're not longer of use. I'm very proud of my absolute neutrality. 0 LS/DS points. And the neutral ending is the best. You get your freedom. Fuck the Empire, fuck the republic. Become independent. Also, My agent is friend of Lana Beniko, she have the absolute trust of Darth Marr and Satele Shan, and she's in love with Theron Shan. That's probably the most interesting story, because when KotFE arrives, my agent will be no imperial nor republic. So, she will not want to rebuild ANYTHING. Just a new world, or a new galaxy.
CannibalismHD Depend on _how_ you imagine the character acts. Like for me, I imagine my character becomes disillusioned with the Empire with its widespread corruption & generally evil acts, so chooses to defect.
@@cdagyekybcrpaa Both my LS and DS Agents went independent for differing reasons. My LS Agent went independent because, while she was still loyal to the Empire and sympathetic to the Republic, both sides had taken advantage of her and used her for their own ends. While she would still serve the Empire, being independent means that she can do so on her own terms to avoid being manipulated and used by them again. My DS Agent was very much out for himself first and foremost, but wanted to at least seem like he was loyal to the Empire and Jadus so he could continue to benefit from them. Really, he wanted nothing to do with either the Empire or Republic, so going independent was an obvious choice. He ends up acting more like a mercenary after that, but still works with the Empire because he knows how much credits and resources he can squeeze out of it
That's me, killed the SIS who used the brainwashing technique, killed Jadus, fucked anyone I could, gave the sith my holocomunicator and erased myself from the existence.
Thats actually the true light side ending because light side decisions lead you there. Dark side you end up with Jadus or the Sith, neutral is this one and light side is being on your own.
I don't get how anyone could actually choose to trust the guy enough to give it to him. The second they used the code word all hope of corporation with them was gone.
Well I think it's kind of an alternative to giving it to the sith (I mean this guy make go a little too far with doing his job but he's definitely no sith, more like a dark/ grey jedi), that and I wanted to keep the useful stuff as far away from the empire as possible
+mini2239 I get what you mean. it's like why can't I just keep it all to myself and just disappear and manipulate the universe like they were. I was looking forward to working with the pubs, and it hit me hard to find out I was brainwashed. no trust was left for either group.
You can kinda do that by breaking it, but yeah you can't really do that. But I have a Forex view of the Republic so I cheered at this option In addition do you have the time to destroy every last remnant of that group or do you have better things to do.
This . . . feels good. Like, beyond what the game tells you with glowing blue shimmer, there’s this unmistakable feeling of warmth in your gut when you know you’re doing the right thing.
I have a light-sided/neutral Agent that I made to be sort of a character with no real loyalty to the Empire or Republic. Playing with a character like that on the imperial side is so much more fun than being a cartoonishly evil Sith or an unrealistic Gary stu/Mary Sue-esque light-sider.
My imperial agent started out as loyal to the Empire but hated sith rule and thus trying to save as many lives as possible. But after Jadus she genuinely has doubts about being imperial and thinking about jumping ship. Her brainwashing left her emotionally traumatised and completely disillusioned with the empire for doing it to her, and furious at Kothe for exploiting it, but she eventually rationalises that imperial intelligence would have done the exact same thing to a potential SIS double agent, and that she had temporarily brainwashed a slave herself on Dromund Kaas for intelligence, so she eventually decides to spare Kothe and start to undermine the Empire and save lives where possible. And eventually she does join Kothe and become a double agent for the Republic. It’s easy to be angry at Kothe for exploiting you character’s brainwashing, but you did the same and imperial intelligence would have done the same in an alternate scenario, so I don’t think it’s too far out for a light side agent to take this path.
I started with a Dark Side Agent loyal to Darth Jadus, but after brainwashed by the Empire, she had enough of being used as a puppet and started to mistrust both - the Empire and the Republic and kept the Codex to herself. (I uploaded the story) Letting Ardun Kothe go, trusting him, being a double agent again (LOL!) - that makes no sense to me after all what happened. And it's not like the Republic/Empire are the only factions. Thanks for uploading though.
Just finished agent, my agent started leaning light side by the end. and I found out I could have joined sis if I didn't kill them, now I am really bugged I did.
Do you think this decision makes sense from the imperial agent's perspective? I personally found the neutral ending to be the most appealing because I find that both the Republic and the Sith manipulate and use you as a tool. I think that the most prudent course for the agent would be to help Darth Jadus (since he is the only one offering equality between force users and non-force users) and then to stay on the Empire side but do not necessarily help the Sith. Remove info and stay as a shadow agent. I think that's the most logical decision to make when playing the agent. What do you think?
From agent's perspective it's dangerous as hell choice. Being neutral would be "safe" choice but if the agent really does not want to have anything to do with the Empire, this is the right choice. It's true that the imperial agent is basically just a tool for both but still, I think that she/he has better chance with the Republic than alone to achieve peace in the galaxy.
Not to mention that leaving the codex in the hands of a bunch of ax crazy maniacs like the Sith would never have ended well. A LS Agent is always trying to do damage control, limiting the collateral damage from Sith politics and insanity. How does one protect the citizens of the Empire if their own rulers are insane and constantly co-opting Imperial Intelligence for their own ends or just constantly interfering?
@@Tup3x For me I have head canon ending - I keep the codex to myself in the base game and then go to Satele Shan and give the codex to the Jedi, defect to the republic and become a member of Havok squad, right hand woman of the Trooper (AKA no more Shadow games, fighting the good fight) :)
WHAT THE HELL! I chose all the light side options, but when he turned around on yours he did not turn and ask me to join the SIS I said all the same things as this video
By the way, if you choose this option, Shadow of Revan ending has some extra cinematics. EDIT: You can see it here (same character): czcams.com/video/TPrbqCVK2ak/video.htmlh20m2s
How did Ardun survive? I left his team alive as I went FULL Light Side, but he was my target and I had to fight him. That was not a Dark Side choice. In the end, I locked him in with the active defense system and the turrets killed him in a cinematic. Then at the Corellian museum I met an SIS agent but only through holo not in person. And the sith was not wounded when coming for the Codex. It's not that I would have joined the Republic, but it is interesting how there are so many different outcomes. I was pretty content with becoming an independent agent serving the Empire from the shadows.
+Bindair Dundat I let him go (light side choice, the next choice actually) so he survived. Here's how my operative handled that situation: czcams.com/video/p0nR_UtPi2I/video.htmlm26s
Tup3x Strange, because I killed him and it was definitely not a Dark side choice because my agent is still 0 Dark/10,000 Light. It might have been the "Surrender or die" neutral choice that led to my agent locking him inside with the defesive turrets after he refused to surrender. I assume the Dark side choice is shoot him in the face. It's funny how so little can lead to totally different outcomes.
It must have been "Surrender or die" because The third option would have been dark side (shooting him in the face basically). "Leave here and you'll survive" is neutral option too but the next set of choices are either light or dark. Agent choices are rather interesting since you often have to select the middle option if you want to play light side AND be pro republic. This one of those story lines where choices really do matter.
Hmm. I almost went this way, and probably would have, but I didnt escape out of the black codex conversation soon enough, and got stuck with neutral. Works well enough for me
.....it's reasons like this that the Agent is my third favorite class..or fourth if I am counting my Trooper. Definitely more story out of the Agent's side of things. :P
Because handing over a book with basically enough dirty secrets to start hundreds of wars and blackmail whole worlds to the biggest psychos in the galaxy would be like spraying kerosene on a wood shack?
Most Sith are even total assholes to each other. It’s like a whole other game of thrones, a political battle with blades and blasters. It should say a lot when even playing a Sith toon, you’re stilling killing more Sith than Jedi.
YOU filthy traitor... lol. That's cool though. Glad Bioware is considerate enough to include this option for the players. My agent is more of the cold-blooded 007ish type; I figured a person with a conscience and/or long term retirement planning probably wouldn't have become an imperial agent in the first place.
lol true that, I set my agent as a person who does the good thing if it allows him to, but will otherwise follow orders. He is loyal to the Empire, but willing to change it from the inside out. :P
IIC7 Makes sense. I'm sure not all Imperial subjects care much for the Sith "elite" caste lording over everyone. In terms of "light" and "dark," I've always found that it's actually not that easy, in role play, to score very high on the dark side. The person pretty much has to choose the most sadistic and sociopathic option for every single decision. I've watched "full dark" SWTOR character series; the characters are just so 2-dimensionally brutish that they are no longer believable as people. it's actually comical watching someone going out of her way to be deliberately evil to everyone and everything.
+Charles W I don't think they have a choice. Orphaned children that show potential that no one will miss or care about can be erased and be a good asset.
Some of them may get picked from the military or other areas due to having talent, but end up becoming disappointed with the way the Empire is run. An Agent with a conscience would spent all his time trying to complete his assignments without harming innocents, but sooner or later he'd get tired of that crap and think about leaving.
I should’ve watched this before hand, because I chose to keep the Codex and now I have to do the whole storyline again because I picked the wrong option
Wait WHAT?! I didn't know this was a possible! I played the agent story line THREE times and I always end up with the same outcome. >_> Gotta replay it again for a fourth time. Yay...
SWTOR has such an awesome storyline... it's just ashame about the rest of the game... generic wow-clone styled mmorpg... sigh. If this had all been a KOTOR3 with online co-op game play... I think it'd have been a much better game.
To be fair, the gameplay really is suspiciously WOW-esque, but SWTOR does it and a lot of other things rather well. With good gear, the game is surprisingly solo-able if you just pursue the storylines for your characters' classes; so it can be played like a single-player RPG more often than not.
Charles W that's exactly what i've done with this game, except for the flashpoints of course and some group quests, but as I play an assassin, some of the group quests can be done solo with the stealth skill :)
I just finished the story of my sniper, and I just can´t figure out how I could have this conversation. I always did the light side choices and it bothers me to find out I could have join the Republic :/
Well, you need to have a lot of good in you to get into this ending. I play all my characters light side, but after what SIS did to my agent, i was after REVENGE. Ended up with neutral ending and quite enjoyed it. :)
What happens if you kill the twilek girl and the droid at the Act 2 finale? Can you still let Ardun go, and will he still contact you here to join the SIS? Will the scene be different without the twilek?
I didn't even know this is an option that's pretty cool, I definitely didn't do this on my Imperial Agent because the Republic can suck it. I definitely made the power play and set myself up as head of Sith Intelligence
Pretty much. Although don't quite remember if all were light side (i.e. neutral) options. What happens in The Shadow Arsenal is crucial. I'm no sure if other choices prior that matter too.
So, tried to do it with second IA, followed everything you did, and still didn´t get the option to join, so either something is bugged, or it is no longer an option. :/
Think I done this on my first agent ever since that one I simply went with removing myself from all the records and going out solo doing whatever cause honestly fuck both sides and I am not going to change the universe. Spoiler warning!!! Until KOTFE & KOTET forced me to be a surrogate Jedi Knight.
People keep saying this ending makes no sense. That entirely depends on how you imagined your character. I imagined mine as completely losing faith in the empire. Both because of Darth Jadis, and the fact that the programming was not done by SIS, but imperial intelligence. While giving him the codex is still a bit iffy. From that perspective becoming a double agent for the Republic makes perfect sense, and that is honestly my favorite way to end that class story. With destroying the Codex being a Close Second.
I would want that ending BUT problem is that letting someone willing to bomb Dormund Kaas and level cities in the republic could bring republic to Empire's level. These things need to be arrested not let loose so as much as I would wanna work for the republic. The choices are not possible to do and actually my neutral ending was pretty good.
Come on , the Imperial Agent is supposed to be the class you play when you're in a mood for a good Imperialy patriotic game , betraying the Empire and siding with the Republic , it's like ... Taking away the whole point of being an Agent of the Empire :|
+General Khalee (TA-65015) Not necessarily. Remember, before the ROTHC and SOR expansions, the story ends with the Agent erasing all records of their existence using the Black Codex and going into the galaxy with an entire future of freedom ahead of them. By that point, why should alliances matter? They could crawl back to the Empire, run off to the Republic, or even become underground informants who provide info to whoever asks regardless of faction.
Trunks1stApprentice Well , we know that the Agents spends his storyline fighting the Cabal , because they're a threat to the whole Galaxy , and they tricked the Dark Council into screwing with Imperial Intelligence . So they could technically go " freelance " and become the biggest underground information brokers , or even take the Cabal's place and finish what they started . But the most logical ending for an Agent of the Empire ( imho ) is till to use the Black Codex and your freedom to assist the Empire from the shadows . There's gotta be a winner to the war , someone " ruling " the Galaxy , and apart from trying to destroy the Cabal , you pretty much spend all you game trying to destroy the Republic aswell in the process , so i can picture a loyal Agent siding with them . Key word being " loyal " here of course , but then again , if you're not planning on remaining loyal to the Empire , you could aswell roll a Trooper from the beginning :P
Trunks1stApprentice I see a lot of people saying Trooper is the best class , so i'm trying it out . My Trooper is just lvl 15-20 and so far it hasn't been really exciting . I find that the Sith Warrior class is quite interresting and the Agent is really great , altough Chapter 1 is a bit dull . I just re-completed and recorded the Smuggler storyline , because that's a really fun one to play :)
General Khalee I don't know. The Trooper just has that sort of... Mass Effect kind of feel to it, which is further reinforced by the female Trooper being voiced by female Commander Shepherd. I honestly don't know why I like the Trooper story so much, I just know that I DO like it.
So if you keep him alive, this is what happens. I killed the bastard for using mind control, but otherwise went LS. Didn't get this option, obviously. Nice touch here.
Ugh. I hate that I killed Ardun Kothe. I was trying to be a light sider agent without being a pushover. I was just so mad that he was using my brainwashing code that I felt unforgiving towards the SIS in that moment. Did anyone else feel this way?
james739123 thats a good point I never thought about that. They can’t read my mind or my intentions so they were just being careful. It was just hard to want to leave Ardun alive especially with Hunter on their side.
I wish there were SIS Agents and Sith Troopers as character classes. So Bounty Hunter and Smuggler could have been unique classes instead of Trooper and Agent counterparts.
There was originally meant to be a third faction for the BH and Smuggler.
I've been playing with a concept in my head, where Imperial Trooper and Republic Agent both give each faction access to the Assault Cannon and Sniper Rifle respectively. Since BioWare isn't as well funded, the storylines would be shorter and the character would start from a higher level, somewhere in 20-25 range. Disciplines would include Double DPS and Healer, only one Specialization. In terms chronology, they could either start around where other classes would be right after Capital World visit, and partake in the Main Game conflict, or they would shed light on the current Post-Zakuul situation.
Sith trooper wouldn't have worked. The Sith army doesn't reward excellence, it rewards obedience. You would die the first time you mouth off to some Sith.
@@Rewwgh Looks like you get your wish.
@@vald.1617 How so? Did they announce two new classes or something?
Traitor! *Throws shield and gun down, draws baton weapon and twirls it.*
+vT Warlord No use, she'll disappear. ;)
get out of here if you don't support freedom
*actives sword shaped lightsaber* TRAITOR!!!
@@Galayman2 Ah yes, the freedom seen on Coruscant where the unending masses of people live in abject poverty and squalor. At least the Empire provides for its citizens.
Has anyone noticed the imbalance in the storylines between the Empire and Republic? The Empire loses the Emperor, potentially loses an imperial agent, loses the entire Sith Council, etc etc
What exactly does the Republic lose? Maybe one Jedi from the Council? Maybe a few ships if the Smuggler goes rogue?
imperialcipher nine Yes. It does seem like they are writing Empire to be the losing side.
imperialcipher nine To be fair, the Republic got The Sacking of Coruscant.
Joseph zs True, but I was more thinking of in game.
Tup3x Techincaly speaking the Empire loses,and theres no other Sith Empire untill Darth Sidious reorganises the Republic into the Galactic Empire(which is also the largest),which is also the Siths greatest victory IMO,since they always tried to defeat the Jedi by force and always failed,yet Sidious achieved victory and managed to wipe pretty much everything the Jedi created from within.
Also Emperor Vitiate(ToR) had to die,both for plot reasons and cus he would have wiped the galaxy clean of life.I do like the Empire stories better than the Republic ones though.
imperialcipher nine spoiler
Nether side wins in the end. They both get crippled by the Revanites and finished off by the Eternal Empire.
All these people pseudo-complaining, did no one take the space to note how awesome this even being an option is?
You actually call him in Shadow of Revan DLC which is cool. Also the latest DLCs make even more sense joining the Republic but I dont like the saboteur stuff. They should make it open fighting for the respective sides.
Would be cooler if it actually changed things.
@@spectralassassin6030 its an mmo. Honestly the fact all your toons are voiced, and your decisions move you into the light or dark is good enough in of itself. You being able to defect from on side or the other is just icing on the cake. Yes it would be better if it had more significance game wise, but on top of being an mmo its an RPG. For the story, you should be immersing yourself into your character which will make up for the game significance of your decision.
Still a dirty TRAITOR
It is pretty awesome
*Whirls baton*
TRAITOR
The Hedonist *activates sword shaped lightsaber* TRAITOR!!!!
Light-side Imperial characters get, hands down, the best storylines and character development. Everyone else gets to be cartoon-good and cartoon-evil; Imperial light-siders get to be people born into a quasi-fascist totalitarian state who try to undermine it and do some good for actual people instead of just ideals. (Light-side sith of both base classes have some particularly epic scenes like this...)
+MManuRere my favorite stories are neutral sorcerer, light IA, dark smuggler,
+MManuRere Light side is for losers and jedi.Emperor's wrath and Darth Nox 4 ever
+MManuRere Not agree, at all. The republic SIS tries to enslave you as agent, and the Empire, toys with you. Both of them wants to use you, and then throw your body inside a no named bodybag when you're not longer of use. I'm very proud of my absolute neutrality. 0 LS/DS points. And the neutral ending is the best. You get your freedom. Fuck the Empire, fuck the republic. Become independent. Also, My agent is friend of Lana Beniko, she have the absolute trust of Darth Marr and Satele Shan, and she's in love with Theron Shan. That's probably the most interesting story, because when KotFE arrives, my agent will be no imperial nor republic. So, she will not want to rebuild ANYTHING. Just a new world, or a new galaxy.
Ricardo Fernandez Torres So? When she was given the choice, what did she do? This is, of course, assuming she did get to finish the KOTET storyline.
MManuRere agreed I love the dark side but changing the empire from within is always a good goal.
Played all the endings and in my opinion going independent is my favorite, just makes more sense to what the char would do.
CannibalismHD Depend on _how_ you imagine the character acts. Like for me, I imagine my character becomes disillusioned with the Empire with its widespread corruption & generally evil acts, so chooses to defect.
@@cdagyekybcrpaa
Both my LS and DS Agents went independent for differing reasons.
My LS Agent went independent because, while she was still loyal to the Empire and sympathetic to the Republic, both sides had taken advantage of her and used her for their own ends. While she would still serve the Empire, being independent means that she can do so on her own terms to avoid being manipulated and used by them again.
My DS Agent was very much out for himself first and foremost, but wanted to at least seem like he was loyal to the Empire and Jadus so he could continue to benefit from them. Really, he wanted nothing to do with either the Empire or Republic, so going independent was an obvious choice. He ends up acting more like a mercenary after that, but still works with the Empire because he knows how much credits and resources he can squeeze out of it
Best lightside ending is vanishing and staying away from both the Empire's and Republic's eyes. Forging your own destiny.
That's me, killed the SIS who used the brainwashing technique, killed Jadus, fucked anyone I could, gave the sith my holocomunicator and erased myself from the existence.
Thats actually the true light side ending because light side decisions lead you there. Dark side you end up with Jadus or the Sith, neutral is this one and light side is being on your own.
@@Dark_Voicedo you have a link?
I don't get how anyone could actually choose to trust the guy enough to give it to him. The second they used the code word all hope of corporation with them was gone.
Well I think it's kind of an alternative to giving it to the sith (I mean this guy make go a little too far with doing his job but he's definitely no sith, more like a dark/ grey jedi), that and I wanted to keep the useful stuff as far away from the empire as possible
+mini2239 I get what you mean. it's like why can't I just keep it all to myself and just disappear and manipulate the universe like they were. I was looking forward to working with the pubs, and it hit me hard to find out I was brainwashed. no trust was left for either group.
You can kinda do that by breaking it, but yeah you can't really do that. But I have a Forex view of the Republic so I cheered at this option
In addition do you have the time to destroy every last remnant of that group or do you have better things to do.
This . . . feels good. Like, beyond what the game tells you with glowing blue shimmer, there’s this unmistakable feeling of warmth in your gut when you know you’re doing the right thing.
I have a light-sided/neutral Agent that I made to be sort of a character with no real loyalty to the Empire or Republic. Playing with a character like that on the imperial side is so much more fun than being a cartoonishly evil Sith or an unrealistic Gary stu/Mary Sue-esque light-sider.
My imperial agent started out as loyal to the Empire but hated sith rule and thus trying to save as many lives as possible. But after Jadus she genuinely has doubts about being imperial and thinking about jumping ship.
Her brainwashing left her emotionally traumatised and completely disillusioned with the empire for doing it to her, and furious at Kothe for exploiting it, but she eventually rationalises that imperial intelligence would have done the exact same thing to a potential SIS double agent, and that she had temporarily brainwashed a slave herself on Dromund Kaas for intelligence, so she eventually decides to spare Kothe and start to undermine the Empire and save lives where possible.
And eventually she does join Kothe and become a double agent for the Republic. It’s easy to be angry at Kothe for exploiting you character’s brainwashing, but you did the same and imperial intelligence would have done the same in an alternate scenario, so I don’t think it’s too far out for a light side agent to take this path.
Glad to see someone remember that the agent also unapologetically brainwashed someone, and doesn't really get to throw stones...
I started with a Dark Side Agent loyal to Darth Jadus, but after brainwashed by the Empire, she had enough of being used as a puppet and started to mistrust both - the Empire and the Republic and kept the Codex to herself. (I uploaded the story)
Letting Ardun Kothe go, trusting him, being a double agent again (LOL!) - that makes no sense to me after all what happened. And it's not like the Republic/Empire are the only factions. Thanks for uploading though.
I thought the rest of the Sith didn't like Jadus and his Right Hand being so powerful so they programmed the word into you?
@@heythatguyalex yes, they saw that imperial agent faced Jadus and survived, so they programmed it to prevent him from threatening them
I freaking loved this option. I play my characters light side, being able to ditch the Empire, sort of, was great for me.
Just finished agent, my agent started leaning light side by the end. and I found out I could have joined sis if I didn't kill them, now I am really bugged I did.
Do you think this decision makes sense from the imperial agent's perspective? I personally found the neutral ending to be the most appealing because I find that both the Republic and the Sith manipulate and use you as a tool. I think that the most prudent course for the agent would be to help Darth Jadus (since he is the only one offering equality between force users and non-force users) and then to stay on the Empire side but do not necessarily help the Sith. Remove info and stay as a shadow agent. I think that's the most logical decision to make when playing the agent. What do you think?
From agent's perspective it's dangerous as hell choice. Being neutral would be "safe" choice but if the agent really does not want to have anything to do with the Empire, this is the right choice. It's true that the imperial agent is basically just a tool for both but still, I think that she/he has better chance with the Republic than alone to achieve peace in the galaxy.
Not to mention that leaving the codex in the hands of a bunch of ax crazy maniacs like the Sith would never have ended well. A LS Agent is always trying to do damage control, limiting the collateral damage from Sith politics and insanity. How does one protect the citizens of the Empire if their own rulers are insane and constantly co-opting Imperial Intelligence for their own ends or just constantly interfering?
@@Tup3x For me I have head canon ending - I keep the codex to myself in the base game and then go to Satele Shan and give the codex to the Jedi, defect to the republic and become a member of Havok squad, right hand woman of the Trooper (AKA no more Shadow games, fighting the good fight) :)
WHAT THE HELL! I chose all the light side options, but when he turned around on yours he did not turn and ask me to join the SIS I said all the same things as this video
How about the Shadow Arsenal? Did you do it like this: czcams.com/video/p0nR_UtPi2I/video.html
It's because I didn't help the Twi'lek clear out the area I think, that's the only thing hmm. Guess I get to play it again :D
By the way, if you choose this option, Shadow of Revan ending has some extra cinematics. EDIT: You can see it here (same character): czcams.com/video/TPrbqCVK2ak/video.htmlh20m2s
...well fuck, I'm gonna have to play my Imperial Agent fully now
Really? Cool, is there a link or youtube?
pplr1 I don't know if anyone has uploaded it but eventually I will. It's not long but it's a nice to see that old choices did matter.
pplr1 look for SWTOR Shadow of Revan, Light Side Agent Ending
Too bad nothing ever comes of it aside from that.
Interesting, you are the only one I know that chosed this option
I always preferred the option of keeping the codex for myself and of course, frying Ardun Kote with those shadow arsenal cannons on Quesh
Ardun kothe is sick a great character. Him and keeper are the best
How did Ardun survive? I left his team alive as I went FULL Light Side, but he was my target and I had to fight him. That was not a Dark Side choice. In the end, I locked him in with the active defense system and the turrets killed him in a cinematic. Then at the Corellian museum I met an SIS agent but only through holo not in person. And the sith was not wounded when coming for the Codex.
It's not that I would have joined the Republic, but it is interesting how there are so many different outcomes. I was pretty content with becoming an independent agent serving the Empire from the shadows.
+Bindair Dundat I let him go (light side choice, the next choice actually) so he survived. Here's how my operative handled that situation: czcams.com/video/p0nR_UtPi2I/video.htmlm26s
Tup3x Strange, because I killed him and it was definitely not a Dark side choice because my agent is still 0 Dark/10,000 Light. It might have been the "Surrender or die" neutral choice that led to my agent locking him inside with the defesive turrets after he refused to surrender. I assume the Dark side choice is shoot him in the face.
It's funny how so little can lead to totally different outcomes.
It must have been "Surrender or die" because The third option would have been dark side (shooting him in the face basically). "Leave here and you'll survive" is neutral option too but the next set of choices are either light or dark.
Agent choices are rather interesting since you often have to select the middle option if you want to play light side AND be pro republic. This one of those story lines where choices really do matter.
lol that seems that the imp agent storyline is the better in choices you can change so much in the char's timeline
Hmm. I almost went this way, and probably would have, but I didnt escape out of the black codex conversation soon enough, and got stuck with neutral. Works well enough for me
.....it's reasons like this that the Agent is my third favorite class..or fourth if I am counting my Trooper. Definitely more story out of the Agent's side of things. :P
Why on earth is betraying the Empire a LIGHT SIDE option? What I liked about the Agent was your ability to be LS and STILL LOYAL!
Because handing over a book with basically enough dirty secrets to start hundreds of wars and blackmail whole worlds to the biggest psychos in the galaxy would be like spraying kerosene on a wood shack?
It isn't dark side if you don't, but the sith are douche bags so giving them a ton of secrets that let them be even bigger douche bags is a bad idea.
You do not need to hand them over; you can keep the secrets for yourself.
The sith are almost always dick heads as a rule. Very few canonical sith managed to actually be decent human beings
Most Sith are even total assholes to each other. It’s like a whole other game of thrones, a political battle with blades and blasters. It should say a lot when even playing a Sith toon, you’re stilling killing more Sith than Jedi.
They really need to add faction betrayal into the game for 6.0. :)
okay can someone help me out cause i wanna do an agent class which side is the “right” side to play light or dark side?
YOU filthy traitor... lol. That's cool though. Glad Bioware is considerate enough to include this option for the players. My agent is more of the cold-blooded 007ish type; I figured a person with a conscience and/or long term retirement planning probably wouldn't have become an imperial agent in the first place.
lol true that, I set my agent as a person who does the good thing if it allows him to, but will otherwise follow orders. He is loyal to the Empire, but willing to change it from the inside out. :P
IIC7 Makes sense. I'm sure not all Imperial subjects care much for the Sith "elite" caste lording over everyone. In terms of "light" and "dark," I've always found that it's actually not that easy, in role play, to score very high on the dark side. The person pretty much has to choose the most sadistic and sociopathic option for every single decision. I've watched "full dark" SWTOR character series; the characters are just so 2-dimensionally brutish that they are no longer believable as people. it's actually comical watching someone going out of her way to be deliberately evil to everyone and everything.
+Charles W I don't think they have a choice. Orphaned children that show potential that no one will miss or care about can be erased and be a good asset.
Some of them may get picked from the military or other areas due to having talent, but end up becoming disappointed with the way the Empire is run. An Agent with a conscience would spent all his time trying to complete his assignments without harming innocents, but sooner or later he'd get tired of that crap and think about leaving.
so i didn't have to kill ardun? blast it!
+GamingBigChief Kill all the Jedi scum!!!!!Glory to the Agents
It's a shame this isn't spoken of again, when I meet Theron, or when I swap sides for the alliance. Truly a shame
It does make a difference in Shadow of Revan though. Not a massive one but still.
@@Tup3x really? I must not have noticed it. What do they say?
The light side does wonders for your skin.
I tried to get this ending on my current agent & didn't get it. I want to make another one & try again.
TRAITORRRRRRRRR....
*actives crossguard lightsaber*
I should’ve watched this before hand, because I chose to keep the Codex and now I have to do the whole storyline again because I picked the wrong option
Ah dammit I missed this opportunity!
*Le bounty hunter chuckle* well shit.. What a twist
I never got this ending... time for a replay!
ok Catz roll a new imperial agent
I don’t really put a lot of thought into these endings lol I just wanna live happily with my bug husband though I do play light side choices mostly
Funny, with my agent, I remember I choosed " Screw the Empire. " ending... Or sort of.
Wait WHAT?! I didn't know this was a possible! I played the agent story line THREE times and I always end up with the same outcome. >_> Gotta replay it again for a fourth time. Yay...
I didn't Know this was possible
Traitor
Mandalorian92 Mandos aren't exactly honourable fighting for the sith who murder those who can't fight back
Angry Devil Gamer mando are one of the greatest warrior group of star wars if not the greatest
Imps = Chimps. If you choose Empire over republic you suffer from lower brain functions.
Is this the full ending when your Agent agrees to work for the Republic? Thanks for posting this.
Well, define full. You have to save Adrun at The Shadow Arsenal to make this happen. czcams.com/video/p0nR_UtPi2I/video.html
I got a choice where i neither destroyed the codex or turned it over to republic... Instead I kept it....
SWTOR has such an awesome storyline... it's just ashame about the rest of the game... generic wow-clone styled mmorpg... sigh. If this had all been a KOTOR3 with online co-op game play... I think it'd have been a much better game.
It's a great game, in my opinion.
My thoughts exactly, this game could've been so much better if it was a single player with co-op gameplay with it.
To be fair, the gameplay really is suspiciously WOW-esque, but SWTOR does it and a lot of other things rather well. With good gear, the game is surprisingly solo-able if you just pursue the storylines for your characters' classes; so it can be played like a single-player RPG more often than not.
Charles W that's exactly what i've done with this game, except for the flashpoints of course and some group quests, but as I play an assassin, some of the group quests can be done solo with the stealth skill :)
DoomsdayR3sistance im not sure, the patches though... new content... well, they would have had to release tons of dlcs and xpacs
How is it possible that - i fully LS agent - got neutral ending?
i tried doing this but it didnt give me this option
I just finished the story of my sniper, and I just can´t figure out how I could have this conversation. I always did the light side choices and it bothers me to find out I could have join the Republic :/
KC-Battalion KC-Battalion You can always do another playthrough. Imperial agent story is so good that I could play it over and over again.
Hm... guess you're right but I still don't know what I failed to do, to get this ending :/
You probably picked wrong lines in the Shadow Arsenal.
TRAITOR!
Well, you need to have a lot of good in you to get into this ending. I play all my characters light side, but after what SIS did to my agent, i was after REVENGE. Ended up with neutral ending and quite enjoyed it. :)
+alchemik666 That's understandable. My agent thought that in the end the Republic is the lesser evil.
+alchemik666 I could care less about light or dark side as long as my Agent's decisions benefitted the Empire and crushed its enemies.
i tried to let him go instead he fights me than dies
You traitor! The emperor will hear ab....oh yeah I forgot.
Oh, i know who am i hunting next kekw
how it i that betrayal i light side choice ?
What happens if you kill the twilek girl and the droid at the Act 2 finale? Can you still let Ardun go, and will he still contact you here to join the SIS? Will the scene be different without the twilek?
+Bindair Dundat Hmm... That I do not know for certain but I *think* the twilek and the droid are replaced with some generic agents.
I didn't even know this is an option that's pretty cool, I definitely didn't do this on my Imperial Agent because the Republic can suck it.
I definitely made the power play and set myself up as head of Sith Intelligence
Cold-War in nutshell
Imperial agents maybe evil on the outside, but they are good on the inside.
I want me 100 rebel scalps..
Wondering what the numbers were for the look of this character and the outfit she is wearing?
Kelly Zigler Revered Chronicler's set except hands (Hardweave Gloves) and helmet was hidden. Character sliders: imgur.com/MwmyR53
Tup3x Thank you for the help and getting back to me with the numbers.
Np.
I'm guessing this CZcamsr character sided with the republic on iokath and becomes imperial sabetour.
So, this is means i should not kill this Jedi or i wont have a possibility to join the republic?
It’s treason, then.
how do you get thus ending do you just choose the light side option on every question?
Pretty much. Although don't quite remember if all were light side (i.e. neutral) options. What happens in The Shadow Arsenal is crucial. I'm no sure if other choices prior that matter too.
Tup3x thanks!!
What are the requirements to get this option?
*kira Carsen disguise*
Wait you can spare these guys?
Lmao I killed those fools and got the ghost ending.
I thought that armor was only for republic characters. What is it called for imperials?
It's the Revered Chronicler set.
What outfit is that you're wearing?
I´ve tired to get this ending, was nice to the rep guys and all, but when i handed over the box he just left... Damn it! What did i do wrong?.....
Likely something at the Shadow Arsenal: czcams.com/video/p0nR_UtPi2I/video.html
I did everything as it is in the video...hmm something else must have gotten wrong..Maybe that i killed hunter right away?
It's possible. Can't remember if there was anything else that might have made a difference. Did you spare Chance on Taris?
I did spare him. I may try to roll another agent but first i want to finish my bounty hunter for legendary status.
So, tried to do it with second IA, followed everything you did, and still didn´t get the option to join, so either something is bugged, or it is no longer an option. :/
What set is that you have on you and your companion?
Revered Chronicler's set (more or less).
What's armor name did you use?
Revered chronicler's set more or less. I believe I posted the full set somewhere in the comments.
Its treason, then...
What is your Outfits Name?
Especially the Jacket
Revered Chronicler's set.
How did you mange this i did all the light sided stuff but he didn't ask me to join him did i do something wrong?
I can only guess you picked the wrong options when you were inside the Shadow Arsenal. czcams.com/video/p0nR_UtPi2I/video.html
ooh i think it had something to do with that robot and that chick i did kill them..
Ryan Mac
Well that explains it then. xD
Think I done this on my first agent ever since that one I simply went with removing myself from all the records and going out solo doing whatever cause honestly fuck both sides and I am not going to change the universe.
Spoiler warning!!!
Until KOTFE & KOTET forced me to be a surrogate Jedi Knight.
I can't play the Imperial Agent and have fun.
Does killing the corrupt jedi on Taris block this?
As far as I can tell, only by killing the other SIS agents do you block republic agent
People keep saying this ending makes no sense. That entirely depends on how you imagined your character. I imagined mine as completely losing faith in the empire. Both because of Darth Jadis, and the fact that the programming was not done by SIS, but imperial intelligence. While giving him the codex is still a bit iffy. From that perspective becoming a double agent for the Republic makes perfect sense, and that is honestly my favorite way to end that class story. With destroying the Codex being a Close Second.
I would want that ending BUT problem is that letting someone willing to bomb Dormund Kaas and level cities in the republic could bring republic to Empire's level. These things need to be arrested not let loose so as much as I would wanna work for the republic. The choices are not possible to do and actually my neutral ending was pretty good.
Why imperials don't turn traitor
what is her weapon? sniper or blaster?
Sniper.
Too bad that there is no such thing in other class stories.
How does this work with pvp?
+18Rada89 It doesn't affect that.
where did you get the outfit
It's the Revered Chronicler's set. You can google the details but in short you need eight Encrypted Datacubes to get that set.
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what armor is that?
Revered Chronicler’s set.
What armor is this?
Revered Chronicler's set.
So much Treason.
TRAITOR
I tried doing lightside on my agent, but i hated this guy so much
Come on , the Imperial Agent is supposed to be the class you play when you're in a mood for a good Imperialy patriotic game , betraying the Empire and siding with the Republic , it's like ... Taking away the whole point of being an Agent of the Empire :|
+General Khalee (TA-65015) Not necessarily. Remember, before the ROTHC and SOR expansions, the story ends with the Agent erasing all records of their existence using the Black Codex and going into the galaxy with an entire future of freedom ahead of them. By that point, why should alliances matter? They could crawl back to the Empire, run off to the Republic, or even become underground informants who provide info to whoever asks regardless of faction.
Trunks1stApprentice Well , we know that the Agents spends his storyline fighting the Cabal , because they're a threat to the whole Galaxy , and they tricked the Dark Council into screwing with Imperial Intelligence . So they could technically go " freelance " and become the biggest underground information brokers , or even take the Cabal's place and finish what they started . But the most logical ending for an Agent of the Empire ( imho ) is till to use the Black Codex and your freedom to assist the Empire from the shadows . There's gotta be a winner to the war , someone " ruling " the Galaxy , and apart from trying to destroy the Cabal , you pretty much spend all you game trying to destroy the Republic aswell in the process , so i can picture a loyal Agent siding with them . Key word being " loyal " here of course , but then again , if you're not planning on remaining loyal to the Empire , you could aswell roll a Trooper from the beginning :P
General Khalee Personally, the Trooper story is my favorite. I haven't played through the Agent story enough to know the exact specifics.
Trunks1stApprentice I see a lot of people saying Trooper is the best class , so i'm trying it out . My Trooper is just lvl 15-20 and so far it hasn't been really exciting . I find that the Sith Warrior class is quite interresting and the Agent is really great , altough Chapter 1 is a bit dull . I just re-completed and recorded the Smuggler storyline , because that's a really fun one to play :)
General Khalee I don't know. The Trooper just has that sort of... Mass Effect kind of feel to it, which is further reinforced by the female Trooper being voiced by female Commander Shepherd. I honestly don't know why I like the Trooper story so much, I just know that I DO like it.
Is Ensign cool about you joining the Republic? Or atleast more open minded than Kaliyo?
***** Looks like she thinks it's just another ploy or something.
I spared Ardun Kothe but refused to give him the Black Codex... Does that still make me a "Republic spy"?
spoilers in the title!!
Nah, I fucking hated Kothe, saw him get shredded in C2 and loved it.
Joining the Republic? Don`t think so. My agent hates Pubs and their double standarts.
So if you keep him alive, this is what happens.
I killed the bastard for using mind control, but otherwise went LS. Didn't get this option, obviously.
Nice touch here.
Ugh. I hate that I killed Ardun Kothe. I was trying to be a light sider agent without being a pushover. I was just so mad that he was using my brainwashing code that I felt unforgiving towards the SIS in that moment. Did anyone else feel this way?
considering your JOB was infiltrate their ranks, find out their plans then KILL them and STEAL their plans for the empire, could you blame them
james739123 thats a good point I never thought about that. They can’t read my mind or my intentions so they were just being careful. It was just hard to want to leave Ardun alive especially with Hunter on their side.
Fooking spoiler. Damnit. Random video and I see this in the suggestion...
This may not be your route so it not your story.
Doesn't stop it from being a spoiler.
This treason makes me sick in so many levels