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WOO VS SURFR | Which device is better for kitesurfing?
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- čas přidán 15. 02. 2024
- Link to blog: spacexkitesurfing.com/blogs/c...
Kitesurfing is all about finding that perfect, fleeting harmony between rider and nature. To push your limits further, tech tools like the Woo and Surfr offer valuable feedback and performance analysis. But in the battle for the best kitesurfing tracker, which device comes out on top? To help you pick, we've tested these rivals in a head-to-head battle covering session features, app experience, brand/community and accuracy/consistency.
At SpaceX, we've been grappling with the question of which brand we prefer ever since Surfr came into existence. After spending several months in Cape Town, we decided to take matters into our own hands and determine which brand truly reigns supreme. Thanks to Surfr Pro accounts, we were able to measure altitude on our Apple Watches, and with the help of Woo, we obtained multiple devices to test the two brands against each other. In order to conduct a fair test, we were riding with two instruments from each brand simultaneously. Two Woo’s were mounted on the board while two Apple Watches were worn on the same arm. After numerous jumps, we arrived at a surprising result. Curious about our findings? Dive into the blog or watch the video to find out!
Thanks to Woo and Surfr for providing us with their products to give us the ability to test them.
Disclaimer: We, at SpaceX Kitesurfing, have conducted an independent research on WOO versus Surfr. We have informed both parties about this. WOO provided us with a WOO 4.0 and WOO Pro subscriptions, while Surfr provided us with Surfr Pro subscriptions and provided a videographer for accurate measurements. Our hours are unpaid, and this is our opinion.
Filmed and edited by @RyanOsmond
Surfr is amazing, I have been using it since the start and the work they have put into it to improve it in such a short period of time deserves my praise!! The accuracy shown is just great
Thanksss!!!!
Woo outlier jumps ruin leaderboards, i think that is a big issue. Surfr has no extreme outliers, so you know you have a fair and realistic leaderboard.
Not true, ppl still get outlier big jumps on Surfr. I see that almost every day. I keep using both, deleting on Surfr if I get some nonsense. I feel like woo has gotten better in eliminating these a bit more. Surfr just gives you the option to delete the suspicious jump, but nobody does it really.
@@Jakkillah interesting, obviously what you just said does not mach with SpaceX’s test (to be fair they only did a handful of jumps) but my personal experience says otherwise too. I have over 7000 jumps recorded on surfr, of which i’d say only 5 are outliers (by 2-3 meters over reality).
I’m not saying that there are no outliers on surfr, as you said there clearly are, but not nearly as much as on Woo. Achieving 100% consistency for EVERY SINGLE JUMP is pretty much impossible with today’s technology. But even then, Surfr is way ahead in fairness compared to Woo. I believe inconsistencies are caused by different devices and bad calibration, I am using the Apple Watch which is the device Surfr was developed on first, therefore is expected to be the most accurate and consistent. With this being said, at least there is an option to remove outlier(suspicious) jumps on Surfr. (I talked to a dev, they sometimes remove outliers FOR YOU if it interferes with the top of the leaderboard.) I get that most people don’t remove suspicious jumps for higher ranking, but that is the community’s fault for not being honest, not Surfr’s. The idea is there.
@@tothgele ok, I just wanted to point out that such things happen on both platforms. My friend had an easy session last week with some maybe max 13m jumps and suddenly there was a 26m. Many more examples. But you are right these are not that common whereas on woo they are a bit more common. Many people think thanks to WOO though that they are better than they actually are. :) to end this, thanks to the spacex boys for the comparison.
Yes i agree with u, my friend did a 3 Meter jump once and it almost showed 6 Meter, thats double🫤
HOWEVER. woo mount points are very specific and are not adhered to in the video with two mounts at each end of the board .. MEANWHIILE surfr on a wrist IS STILL ON THAT WRIST, it’s NO DUH that surfr in this way is “more accurate”
My new Woo3 broke after 5 months and Woo refused to replace my device and making up things not to refund me. I got another one and it just broke after 3 months. SURFR is the way TO GO!!
My new woo3 didn't break in 4 years.
@@tikkywikky Then you a lucky winner, had 2x Woo3.0 that could not last over 5 months. I kite 3-4 times a week.
Really good job guys!!!!! The leadorboard always in Woo is 10% higher than surfr... For me SURFR is more accurate for sure
Thanks for this work!
Thank you!!!
Would be really interesting, to see the comparison between different devices on surfr, as they all have different sensors it seems that woo should be more consistent here. Test of that would be great. Comparing, apple watch to Garmin, but even different phones like Android vs Apple.
And good to see my face on the community part 😆🚀
That is clearly missing in this test.
Surfr is "watch dependant", it should compare Surfr on a android watch vs apple watch..
We will do a test with those too!
@@Stinokiteboardingwould be super interested in this test since I use a smartphone in the wetsuit and no watch. Also would be interesting if surfer is smart enough to distinguish if somebody raises his arm and gains 1-1.5m additional „fake“ hight compared to the device on the board or wetsuit.
Yes indeed. Was thinking the same
There is big difference between sufr App Watch and Surf App Board Mount ! I already tested it 😉
Very well put together and fully agreed with the outcome. Go Surfr!
Space X video quality has just 📈📈 congrats on that 👏
Thank you!!
There is a reason wr wanna-bees use multiple like 3 woos on board. Guess what - the highest figure is sent to leader boards even if two other says -3m of the highest. Biggest outlier hunting. I did woo3 test with 5m fishing pole, plus my height. Woo exaggerated 2m..
Congratulations. The analysis everyone was waiting for. Fair and straight to the point.
Excellent video! Long overdue, I think the kiting community really needed this. I just hope it will inspire Woo to improve their accuracy. Competition is good for innovation 🤙
Nice guys, thank you so much for this video. I have been waiting for ages for such a nice comparison. you did a great job on this one ... thank you so much!
Really awesome, detailed content guys, bravo!
Thanks Jason!
When is your review coming up Jason?
@@DNNYZGLR not sure, was working on it, but this is pretty comprehensive so not sure if the demand is still there... even as basic and shit as my editing is, it still takes me a long time :P
Great work guys!
Good job guys !!! What a work ! 😮 Thank you so munch for doing this comparative testing and making it readable ! 👏🏻 Cheers, and see you in the air 🚀
Very very very video !
Honest and detailed analysis.
Keep going with your great work !
Thanks!
Very well made guys, Thanks for sharing!
Very good guys. So cool to see finally some kitesurf-content which is differenciated, well thought through, detailed and helpfull! Keep on going, you got a like and a subscriber more🤙🏻
Well done boys, you did a lot of work here. Thanks...
great work guys! thanks!
Super mooie video boys, echt perfect uitgelegd en ben het helemaal met jullie eens. Ook goed dat jullie zo veel ruimte laten voor iedereen om dingen zelf te beoordelen aangezien iedereen natuurlijk een andere mening heeft. Als dit een PWS zou zijn krijgen jullie een 10! ;)🔥
Dankjewel!
Guys very well done!! So happy for this video!
Thank so much!!
Damn quality of everything really went up, insanely detailed video. 10/10
🙌🙌🙌🙌
thank you great video! I was gonna get a whoo but will probably go surfr now!
Thanks a lot for this!!
Great research. Amazing outcome. Well done
Amazing work, really love the space x input in the kite community.
Thank you!
We were Woo dealer and had a lot of warranty issued Woo did not accept although it was obviously not the user's fault. So we refused to be Woo dealer any more and are happy with Surfr!
Good video guys!
Impressive scientific approach to compare the solutions. Thanks!
Thats a great video, thx for the work guys. Ill definitely go for surfr now. Please note that surfr just added an indicative height capability now, which allows you to go on the water just with your watch (garmin apple or wearos I believe) ; and I like that idea because taking my professional phone on the water would probably not be appreciated by my boss😂.
Note that this indicative height is then post processed in the cloud to give you the real one, when you are home.
Next video idea:
Compare surf indicative and real. Recompare woo with more datapoints ! 2jumps is not enough but the methodology was very good and "quite cool" 😊
Cheers !
Really awesome analysis guys! Great work! I track with surfr personally and love it, I have the board mount but I still don’t know how to synchronize it with the watch. It’s nice to know that I’m getting accurate feedback within about 10cm, and it’s no surprise that it is more accurate as it’s making use of apple’s sensors device capabilities.
Thanks! Glad you enjoyed the video
Super goede video dit, lekker bezig 👍🏼 tijd om over te stappen op Surfr dus..
Dankjewel!
Cool vid guys!
Thanks Sander
Thanks for that Video
Duidelijk! Goede video boys heel Nice!!
You don't have to watch the video to find out what they prefer. they are partners with the winner.. 🤔
This was awesome! If Surfr adds more engagement features I.e. leaderboards and gamification then it’s game over for Woo. I had 4 woo devices which lasted 6 months on average, gave up and switched to Surfr. happy to see that it’s even more accurate
Nice vid! Note: strava in surfr without subscription is only free for the first three uploads
Love the video. I have q woo and have also used the surfer app...but not with a board mount. Just a few notes. 1. The board mount for the surfer app looks great but it now adds the cost of a phone to the cost of a board if you lose your board. Rare but it happens. 2. User error but I forgot to close my waterproof phone case once. Luckily my phone survived. 3. You mounted your woos incorrectly and also what you do with your legs is going to matter for any board mounted device. Overall super interesting/great video. I use the woo more due to the community but...that looks like it is Changing
Very interesting but a few points seem to be missing for a complete comparison:
1- Woo is board mounted, so jump height is dependent on leg and body positions which can easily account for 1-2m variations compared with a wrist mounted sensor. A better comparison would have been between Woo and the Board mount version of surfr.
2- You only tested consistency with Apple watches. A cross brand comparison (apple, android, Garmin) would have been fairer.
3- You forgot to mention availability. Surfr. isnt quite available on Garmin (yet). It's only beta and for a few models.
It would be great if you could do a follow up Surfr to Surfr comparing watches of different brands between them and vs board mount with Apple vs a couple of decent android phones.
Hi David!
1. We've tested in our jumps by either putting the watch up or kicking the board up and in both scenario's the Woo was measuring higher. Both devices also measure from the point they are attached to. The wrist for Surfr is the 0m point and the board for Woo is the 0m point.
2. Agreed, We still want to review board mount to board mount for Surfr and Woo to measure that so that will still come. We chose to use both the watches in the consistency test because we think that using the watch is the best way to use Surfr.
3. We also will try and test the Surfr across watch devices as soon as we get our hands on different models. Testing a Samsung vs Apple watch should be interesting. Still we now compares two of the same devices (apple watch ultra) and the two woo devices are also the same.
@SamsungNederland geef deze heren eens een paar Galaxy watches (te leen).
Ben wel benieuwd hoe deze presteren. Ik gebruik zelf de 5 pro en m'n telefoon en ben er tevreden mee.
Leuke test @spacexkitesurfing3634 btw!
gonna use both once i get a watch again, already have the woo, might as well
I never saw a realistic height measured by woo
Great test and good ideas to get accurate measurements. It would be cool to have someone from the technical side for an interview or explanation of some key points for the next video. The big issue is no with the device, but with the point of measurement and the analysation of the data. The sensor on the board has two main components, one gyro for orientation in space and one accelerometer for accelerations in space. It generates data points in quantified time intervals. Break down a jump into very small time intervals and you will see various sources of acceleration especially at the start or when woosting, which makes measurements inaccurate. The take-off for example when you are on the edge at maybe 80° towards the water, kicking off the water swinging the board behind you to maybe -60° in a miniscule amount of time while starting to travel sidewards and upwards. After that you -60° you raise your board in an additionally upwards accelerating movement towards the sky to 180°.
Using the board is just a bad position for accurate measurements. Surfr did the rigth step to move the point of measurement towards the chest with the pouch or the wrist, which stays quite stable.
Great comparison! Me as an owner of the Surfr board mount would be very interested in kowning whether you also tested the accuracy of the board mount or not and if not if you are planing in doing so in the future?
We are planning to test that in the future also!
Agree, and that for a free app😄 it will be a matter of time before the surfr Community becomes larger🤘🏽
Thanks for your information! I use surfr (smartphone) and Kite Jump Pro (Garmin Instinct 2 Surf). The dates are very different! I think the problem is my watch.
Good work! Real clear findings. Hopefully if Woo make some changes to their algorithm to increase the accuracy, they'll pay for your trip to Capetown for you to repeat your tests 😁. Did you find any variations in height when performing board tricks? I tested a different watch based height system and things like one footers changed the height noticeably. The suggestion was to wear the device clipped to the harness to avoid this although that meant reading it wasn't so consistent. Did you notice similar issues with wrist worn devices? Might only be a problem below 10m though?
The jump where the Watches measured 60cm apart (the biggest difference) was the jump where I was moving my arm alot (as seen in the video).
The biggest difference between the Surfr and Woo was where I send the kite up and kicked my board up. We will upload this clip soon on Instagram so keep an eye out for that
Nice vid
Surfr must be the worlds standard for world records not a fake Woo4 making up 2m or more meters from thin air.
i want a woo it makes me look higher just kidding. Surfr all the way. the only thing thats important is the accuracy and tracking the rest doesnt matter. Go Surfr great app. Thanks for the vid
Great video, what can we use for Wingfoiling?
Have used both at the same time and there was only a small difference between them like 0.5m , I like the surfr as it calls out the height during the session
Nice video! Do you secure the Apple Watch with an extra line around your wrist or do you think the ocean band is enough?
Great video. I have been using a Woo 3.0 and more recently 4.0 for a while but then an erroneous jump data that was 4 metres higher than all the others I recorded that day has made me realise the inaccuracies (there's no way I jumped as high as it claims) and it also spoilt the feeling of accurately tracking progression as it set my new "PB record".
Can I ask how you are storing your gopro camera when you are riding but not recording with it?
What Android watches are 100m (10ATM) waterproof?
And I guess the results are more different if you use different watch models. Not everyone have a ultra Apple Watch.
Hi Andreas, we don't know the specs for all smart watches out there but we have seen people using the Galaxy Watch on the water. We still want to test different models but since the Woo devices are also the same and we didn't have any other devices on hand we did not use it for this test.
Obrigado por este vídeo
Thanks!
I think with leg kicks - its quite easy to add 2 - 4 meter to board mounted devises. Surfr on watch or wetsuit mode is more reliable.
Hele mooie vergelijking! Mis alleen paar randzaken: de woo die snel kapot gaat en nog erger: alle telefoons die kapot zijn gegaan omdat de surfr mount kapot gaat/breekt (weet al van 3 telefoons die zijn gesneuveld)
Dankjewel Karin! Wij hebben in onze testing helaas daarop niet kunnen testen en kunnen daar ook geen conclusie over trekken.
Nice video!
I am curious though what the effect of phone vs watch measurements and phone/watch brand/type is on the accuracy.
In first principle this would give woo an advantage in terms on comparability. Sad that this does not translate to reality if we go on your data.
For the visual compare: What was your reference? Arms straight up in the air, head, board or butt?
Arms straight! And with the woo no woosting (so no kicking the board up:)
Epic content guys, appreciated!
Were the jumps with the huge difference between Surfr and Woo ( for example the one 19m vs 25m ) done inverted / with a leg kick? If so I'm very curious what this says about all the "30m +" jumps on the Woo leaderboard as they are all done like this 🤷🏼♂️
Woo was never accurate
Yes that jump was done with a leg kick!
@Stinokiteboarding , thanks! Great that you guys took the effort to do this and be this transparent about it. Confirms a lot what a lot of people were most likely already thinking. Looking forward to more content, especially in regard to these leg kicks 😏
It’s what made me start using Surfr the leg kick or tabletop as we call it, some folk at the top of the top of the Woo board in the uk Fin mount a few devices and with the leg kick on top it completely sends the device off and can add so much a average Kiter is up top of the uk leader board, it’s sad especially when they have won comps doing it??
You can tell when someone jumps over 20m in 18knt on a 12m kite that it’s a faker lol😂
Thanks for sharing bud that’s interesting
Wow I’m surprised by the woo’s inconsistency, that’s surprising. I would’ve thought surfr’s placement on you wrist would’ve been an issue.
Thanks for the tests, very interesting. I'm a beginner still and can only jump about ~4m high, so I can still roughly validate what surfr tells me while riding myself. And I've recently noticed inconsistencies, so after the session, I threw my phone into the air and listened. I also asked my kitebuddies at the beach, how high my throw was to reduce the guesstimation error a little bit and it was quite clear, surfr was completely wrong. For example I threw my phone ~3m high -> 6m jump, 6secs airtime...what? And then some tries around 5-6m high, one of which was estimated by surfr as 13.1m, which it quite clearly wasn't (would not throw my phone that high, even if I could).
Maybe my phone (old Pixel 4) is damaged or something, but don't blindly trust even surfrs measurements. Still a good app that I like a lot though.
Hey guys, really nice video and good testing but I think you missed one point that may have changed some results. You only tested the devices in conditions where you have big kickers but a lot of big air kiters kite 90% in flat water spots. There is a chance that the results regarding accuracy and which device measures higher in general change when you jump from flat water. So maybe make another test with only flat water and then take the average of both conditions to have a more meaningful result.
Check Evan his last CZcams video in regard to the "World Record" chase. Flat water, leg kick: Woo ~36m , Surfr on Apple watch ~27m. It is what it is, Woo is just not reliable...
Interesting, for me personally surfr almost always reads higher than woo. But i hear for most people it's the opposite way.
Great video! In the past I have used Woo for a long time, but I am looking to try Surfr and probably start with waterproof bag/phone. Can anyone recommend a waterproof bag that they have had success with?
was the surfr app showing the same heights when on the watch, in the wetsuit and on the board?
The measurements from the phone where a bit more than 10cm per jump difference, the biggest margin we had there was 90cm. We will run a testing solely on Surfr with all three different devices still when we get some good wind again ;)
@@spacexkitesurfing3634 That would be cool - I was wondering if the wetsuit mode was any good. I'm tempted to get the board mount ... I can't decide if it is worth the extra money and extra risk
If you use Surfr with your phone in the wetsuit, make sure the display faces towards your body. I forgot to do it once and destroyed my display.
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That really surprised me that a dedicated device could be less accurate than an auxiliary feature of a watch or phone especially considering what I paid for my woo 4. This will be my last woo, hope it lasts longer that the woo3 I do enjoy woo worlds.
When tracking my jumps on surfr, the distance seems way too much. Maybe landing with a foilkite is so smooth, the app will not recognize exact landingpoint. Sometimes position is not accurate, when following the tracks it seems like I jumped 10-20m straight upwind
You forgot the mention that the surfr app also works with android watches such as samsung galaxy S4, S5 and S6....
Thank you for sharing your feedback on the test. I agree with three of the points raised but not with the final one. I have been using both Woo and the Surfr App for two years, with the Surfr App also being used on my Apple Watch for the past year. Your comparison solely based on the Surfr App's performance on the Apple Watch does not seem valid to me. Different watches yield different results. I have used the Surfr App on a Garmin watch as well as in conjunction with the Apple Watch, and I noticed a significant difference in height measurements. In particular, measuring inverted jumps with the Surfr App has been problematic, often resulting in inaccurate readings. For world record comparisons, Woo is the only reliable measure in my opinion. I've had the Woo 4.0 for four months now without any issues; its wireless charging feature works excellently. My previous Woo device was replaced twice and broke after three months of intensive use. While I appreciate both systems, I personally favor Woo for its greater accuracy, thanks to its sensors, and its fairness.
You claim your test is independent, but I noticed that the Surfr App is listed as a partner on your website, and you collaborate with them. This casts doubt on the expected impartiality of your test results.
Our partnership
At Spacex Kitesurfing, our partnership with the SURFR app goes beyond mere usage-we collaborate to drive innovation.
Beyond competitions, SURFR empowers individual kitesurfers within our team. It allows us to track and celebrate personal progress, creating friendly battles and inspiring each other to reach new heights-quite literally! It's not just about competing; it's about self-improvement and pushing boundaries.
During our hosted competitions, SURFR’s impact extends to our live streams. By integrating SURFR scores into our broadcasts, we offer spectators a front-row seat to the adrenaline-pumping action. Audiences witness the jumps and heights in real-time, enhancing the excitement and connection to the sport.
Greater accuracy on the Woo? 😂 Please check all the "30+" footages from the Woo leaderboard and tell me if one of them managed to achieve this result WITHOUT the leg kick. I'm 100% convinced you can't find any. Woo leaderboard is full of outliers, inaccurate readings, people go out with as many as 5 Woo's not to miss any jumps and then upload the session with the highest reading, because this one is, of course, the most accurate.
Thank you for your Feedback! We do think and experience that the Surfr is more reliable and accurate in comparison with woo, as mentioned in the video. Based on these findings and experience we favour the Surfr app, and not the other way around. We only thrive for the best:)
And we are working on a new comparison video regarding all Surfr measurement devices, so stay tuned for that and lets see what the results will tell
Cheers!
@@spacexkitesurfing3634 "we only thrive for the best where we get paid from" would be better:). can´t wait for the test. let´s hope you place the watches on the right spot not like the woo´s on your test. anyways, thanks for the effort and your videos
Is it possible to run both Surtr and Woo (with sensor at the board) at the same Apple Watch at the same time/session?
Sure both can run but only one can be presenting its result at the same time. Yet it drains the battery extremly.
@@Alexomator Have U test it?
Garmin has a surfr app also. Did u test it?
We will do a test with different watches asap!
Wooops
Puik speurwerk!
2 woos, used to crosscheck accuracy are not installed properly.. they are off center and a foot appart from each other.. this will add to discrepancies.. why not extend it to the watches? try to put android and apple watch on 2 different hands and let us know the results, please.. and maybe add some burner android phone under the wetsuit as 3rd data point. for now, it seems like your testing methodology is a bit biased towards surfr.. :-)
So basically you confirm that the current Woo leaderboard makes no sense at all as most of these riders mount multiple devices are all over their boards, correct? Next to that, which Woo then shows the correct value? The one with the highest reading, or how does that work?
@@MHLmerrel 2 different problems: people not able to follow simple instructions or wanting to cheat - you can't prevent it from any device.. my point is that if you want to claim that a device is not accurate, you should at least adhere to mounting instructions... They imply that surfr with multiple mount options, tens of hw variations is more accurate than than woo with just one HW spec and one exact mounting point.. I sincerely doubt that.. it's just common sense. what I want to see how that apple watch on left hand compares to cheap adroid watch on right hand and to iphone on the chest and to android phone on the board.. willing to bet they'll get all sorts of random garbage as the results. a friend of mine uses surfr with a phone on the chest.. it skips half of the jumps under 5m.. and then tends to normalize all higher jumps regardless of the actual height...
@@xxdeniskaxx , apparently the hardware and the algorithm of one of these apps if far more reliable, I've tested both Surfr and Woo for like 50 sessions and came to the exact same conclusion as these guys. If your algorithm is not doing what it's supposed to be doing and it's allowing people to cheat you should fix it. Sticking with it will eventually work against you. The latest video on Instagram which was uploaded today shows exactly what's wrong with Woo, their algorithm and their leaderboard. We can say these World Records are made out of thin air as all of these big riders "cheat", and Woo allows them by not removing all their jumps. Absolutely ridiculous.
Camera height calculation would be total guesswork, I wouldn't give it any meaningful weight.
One of the biggest problems with Woo are the jumps where the legs are pulled up. These are all far from reality (in my opinion +25% and more).
I would be interested in a comparison of simple jumps vs. the „cloud stamp technique“.
In my opinion, even all jumps over 20m are far from reality, as the algorithm at Woo calculates the acceleration twice (see old interview with Woo CEO) and thus the measurement errors are caused by the legs being pulled up.
In my opinion, Woo as a company has a real problem here that it can only solve with difficulty or not at all.
Aka "woosting"
very nice testing but you made one major mistake... if the WOO isn´t mounted 100% in the center of the board (see instructions in manual) it wont give you correct numbers. thats why many measurements of WOO are so different. i got my WOO in the center... the WOO 3 as well as the WOO 4, both are very close to the surfr app (on mobile phone)... very often the WOO´s shows less hight than surfr... so i am very positive it´s all about the correct mounting of the WOO. therefore the surfr app is for sure the better thing and it won´t let people cheat on hight tue "optimized" mounting on boards. i tested it a lot now. today it was 17,0m on WOO 4 and 17,8 on surfr (iphone freshly calibratred)... past sessions mostly been higher on surfr too.
Interesting vid and well done vid thanks👍Although it is not really a accurate vid if you are going to keep your legs down with the Woo everyone that Woosts dose it Even a lot of the pros i have seen chuck a tabletop on every jump which is going to add to the result on the Woo? Surfr stops that unless you ride with a board mount i guess but no one i ride with does that anyway it’s really considered bad form and desperate table-toping around where I kite, also Woo tends not to recognise a lot more jumps than the Surfr in my experience ie double lift or jumps that you dont accelerate on take off as much
Does anybody know if you need celltower reception with surfr on an Apple Watch?
no
@@huzcer thanks
@@abacaxifamily my recommendation is use the phone in wetsuit mode - no cost.
@@huzcer well it’s the pro subscription that’s extra, but I can unsubscribe at any time I don’t need it. So it’s 2-3 months a year I would subscribe to pro mode.
@@abacaxifamily you can't use a watch in Any way without a subscription. You can with a phone
so the real question is then.. what is the actual world record if we can't trust woo haha
I don’t understand why Woo still exists - there is clearly no reason from a user perspective: it apparently is less accurate, it costs more and usability is much lower than Surfr
Woo has a better community (gets another Woo to get that 2 meter extra hight for free)
HOWEVER. woo mount points are very specific and are not adhered to in the video with two mounts at each end of the board handle .. MEANWHIILE surfr on a wrist IS STILL ON THAT WRIST, it’s NO DUH that surfr in this way is “more accurate” and surfr on wrist next to surfr on wrist tracks closely
- add to this very little jump data and you don’t actually have a complete data set
note too, that the two woo sessions track IN LINE meaning their jump arcs are STILL relative to one another - this is important as it highlights once more that mount point on the board is to be adhered to if you’re looking to make woo to woo comparisons
So basically you're saying the current leaderboard of Woo makes no sense, right? As we look at some footage of all the big riders Woo devices are all over the board, making it even more unreliable, right? Which result do we pick, the highest reading? And then there's another factor: the leg kick, which makes it even more unreliable, right?
Do not use the pouch... 2 (cheap) phones dead after microcracks appeared after many uses (2 different pouches). 3D print your housing (design available on printables or use the case from Surfr! But I agree Surfr is the best. The research confirms an equal experiment from another youtube channel. Woo measures to high and inconsistent.
WOO is not going to be happy 😅
I am also a big fan of SURFR, I use it always. just one thing that I didnt like about surfr, is that they stupidly involved themselves into the political conflict in the middle east by a comment on instagramm, which was really not wise at all. A point that can be add to "community growth on social media".
3 Woos. All broken. I had an awful experience with customer support. Disgusted! I will not support a brand that doesn’t support its customers.
Conclusion: Woo is the worst, go for SURFR
We did a lot of comparing with Woo en surfr. Surfr isn’t so friendly for starters. It never measures jumps under 2m and still misses a lot of jumps.. the difference of number of jumps is sometimes more than 10%. Even if we let out al the jumps under 3m.
Also the height of jumps is questionable. I think the woo is reliable till 15m. above is maybe the surfr better but I never jump so high.
The board kicking in the air is also a big difference. We think it’s a difference of at least 2 meters.
I rather kite with the woo because you can kite and without a watch you can just see at the end how high it was. It’s making me nervous to see each jump. And the surfr was making me irritated because it didn’t measured some high (for me) jumps.
Good luck with comparing and above all, stay safe and make fun on the water 🤙
Hahahaha there will be many butthurt woosters out there lol. Tough to keep selling an overpriced device if theres not a clear incentive to always have the latest version if you dont want to be left in the Dust ;)
Now try hoolan :)
Finally!
I use two woo's on my board and sometimes there is a difference of 10-20% in jump hight🫣 so you know why some pro kiters use 4 or even 6 woo's on one board...