Ancient Faith and the Fall of Cahokia
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- Most ancient peoples, from Asia to the Americas, would not have known how to answer the question, “What do you believe in?” Religion was about life itself, positioning oneself in a dynamic world of spiritual powers. Through years of fieldwork at the ancient pre-Columbian city of Cahokia (in present-day Illinois), anthropologist Tim Pauketat has developed a perspective that blends social theory with vivid description of everyday agrarian life in this early civilization, including how the institutionalization of religion was a marker of its decline.
This program is presented in partnership with the Illinois Program for Research in the Humanities and the Poetry Foundation.
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Nice, informative presentation.
Speaking of frogs 6:27 , I had to stay in a hotel for a while in Alton, my home(12 miles northwest of Cahokia), and some canadians at hotel asked what that loud sound was all around. "It's tree frogs", I said. They didn't believe me. "We've heard frogs, and that aint frogs!", they said. Lol. "YES, IT IS!", I said, "I've lived here my whole life. I know what I'm talking about." They still didn't believe. They were drunk, I think :)
I grew up in a country house a few hours north of you and yes... the FROGS ARE DEAFENING.
😆👍
Wow this doesn't get the recognition it should. Very well done! I'm up to my neck in things to research now
Awesome video! Enjoy your Saturday!
I’d like to clarify: adding lye to corn is not about being palatable. It is called nixtimization. It’s purpose is to avoid death from Niacin deficiency in people who rely on corn for sustenance, ie Conrad Elvehjem.
You are so brilliant from a professional and outside perspective; however, this was not a religion- life was in nature and in such we felt naturally connected to these most basic symbols.... I can breakdown the relevance of spiritual ostracization, or rather it's role in the Exodus from chagogia. Stories and knowledge of an "ancient water city in the west" remain within every southeastern tribe. The snake that you saw within the ground is our great serpent uktena- both destruction and salvation of life in some stories..... So there most definitely lives an influence in our present culture that can relate to Cahokia.
So, u have no 'religion'??? Maybe look up the definition of religion. EVERY culture has one. I guess, they just sacrificed women for fun?
How long was Cahokia abandoned and when did the area become re-inhabited? Historically the Famed leader Pontiac was murdered there ?
*("...Pontiac was assassinated on April 20, 1769 near the French town of Cahokia
Most accounts place his murder in Cahokia, but historian Gregory Dowd
wrote that the killing probably happened in a nearby Indian village.The killer was a Peoria
warrior whose name has not been preserved. He was apparently avenging
his uncle, a Peoria chief named Makachinga (Black Dog), whom Pontiac had
stabbed and badly wounded in 1766. A Peoria band council had
authorized Pontiac's execution. The Peoria warrior came behind Pontiac,
stunned him by clubbing him, and stabbed him to death.." wikipedia article)
Incredibly relevant history connecting indigenous history with modern history.
Absolutely fascinating
Loss of faith=loss of trust of the aristocracy promoting the faith. The blame for breaching the supernatural contract leads to social fractionation and collapse. The story is similar at Chaco
Instablaster
WHERE did all the dirt come from to build the mounds- specifically, Monks Mound? That's a HUGE amount of dirt! Did they help expand Horseshoe Lake by extracting dirt from there? It's a big lake, and the avg depth is only about 4' (1/4- 1/2 mile apprx, west of Monks Mound)
Wonderful presentation, I especially enjoyed the slight connections to lunar symmetry within building position; there is more to elaborate on the spiritual effort and symbolism as it relates to the whole of "religion" for these people at this time in antiquity.
The sound effects 😔
ty now i know where the road is to be
I'm guessing that this is Dr. Timothy Pauketat, but I'm not really seeing where it says that?
So the grassroots overthrew the Urban Overlords and in quick order, what's taking so long to overthrow the failed system this time around...?
They didn't 'overthrow' anything or anyone; they just left. We can't do that today. Where are we to go?
I guess, we can go to Rumble or duck duck go and leave the big tech sites behind that are communists
lol
maybe because the narrative shouldn't be as simple as that...
The Spanish encountered them when Hernando de Soto cut through the southeast in 1541. The Spanish wrote info down about them but also got them sick.
Why did they lose faith in civilization??
Or did they reject the powers/governors that were governing their society/ civilization??
The name of the speaker could be a little bit more prominently presented here...Who is it?
idk but he said he had a "marxist background" towards the end
Folks, it's really not too difficult to find this stuff!
" . . . anthropologist Tim Pauketat has developed a perspective that blends social theory with vivid description of everyday agrarian life in this early civilization, including how the institutionalization of religion was a marker of its decline.
This program is presented in partnership with the Illinois Program for Research in the Humanities and the Poetry Foundation. "
47:50 Holy Shit! 😭🤣
We are still here we are Louisiana Creole aka Mississippians we are blacc
Can other people ramsack Egypt as well as Snowden in Welsh land as well as Russian Tundra near Kremlin underneath those Mounds get a viewpoint from other cultural people not from your Land .
Trying to save a mound found in the city of Graham North Carolina. Dedicated my CZcams channel to trying to show you guys the evidence. I’ve got a wooden bow, bird effigies, a stone with a river map on it, and an artifact with a photorealistic face on it with an arrow pointing at it. (My avatar pic) Send help
4:33 hardly...
what if there was a terrible flood? ive heard stories of people long ago who were burned up were they stood and after was a flood that quenched the fire.
Why did they burn up? I believe the flood happened and also a mud flood. I’m thinking the mud flood destroyed a former civilization and the cannibals took it over. The locations and how they are marked with celestial bodies is interesting. 5 degrees off from the axis. Can you share more information about the people burning? It reminds me of a scripture about “they were consumed with fire”.
So... my question, not to mention that every continent has aborigines except for America apparently. If first man was dark or dark brown how can the first Americans be Mongolian or Chinese?
Eddie 1967 That’s one hypothesis.
Because we have been the colors on a chameleons back
No credible source claims the first Americans be Mongolian or Chinese
46:37 your "marxist background"???!
wtf
really?
I was liking this data until the part about human sacrifices and then I stopped because it really wasn't very long ago was it? And I hope we will never be so uncivilized as they were!
Thousands of years . . not too long ago hahaha
It actually got worse, much worse . . think Hiroshima!
The chronology is way off. Cahokia was way before 1100 ad, they just don’t wanna admit it.
I was enjoying that until he mentioned Marx
The Mound builders of North America were called the I'hins of Guatama. They were worshippers of the Great Spirit or the All Person. They were not associated with hithenistic belief on the frog or other bizzar isotheric shenanigans. They go back from time immemorial and worship Jehiovih or the Great Spirit and lived communally in clusters of a thousand and four thousands.
So they were part of the lost tribes of Israel? In revelation it speaks about the beast being thrown (the serpent mound in Ohio looks like a serpent eating an egg or seed) it also says three unclean spirits like frogs will come from the mouth of the beast.
What sources back this claim?
26:45 human sacrifices.
No wonder they were called 'savages.' It's apalling
The idea of human sacrifice greatly troubles me. I would think it would trouble any human. If I could come up with an alternative explanation for the many dead young women in that grave, I would be deeply relieved.
Human sacrifice is murder. No religion, no caste explanation can justify it.
If you're looking for an explanation for the sudden end of Cahokia, maybe it's staring you in the face. Maybe the people of Cahokia put up with this hideous practice as long as they were too oppressed to stop it. Then maybe they stopped it.
That’s what those devils were doing. This guy is just scratching the surface of what they did. Really the whole area should have been leveled and forgotten. To bring attention to these crimes is just extending the horror to us.
That's an interesting theory. Maybe it explains why Cahokia was so short- lived. Maybe that's why the east st louis site was burned to the ground n left desolate; ppl had had enough (?) Perhaps it WAS intentionally left behind n forgotten, as the narrarator said.
I'm not sure I believe it, but it's as good a theory as I've heard thus far
You’re projecting your own morality on to another culture.
@@evan8654 and ur an idiot. Some cultures are just BETTER than others.
Is killing a baby or any other person a good thing that u would approve of? Apart from capital punishment
why? or why not?
@@Montblanc1986 every major culture did human sacrifice... would you level the Coliseum too?
These people as crazy, women so sad.
Europeans dying around the same water that natives lived around and thrived off of oh yes...ties sweet grass to my Choctaw braids👏🏽
Taking joy from the suffering of others doesn't do much good...our people still live in poverty in many parts of the country. Your enthusiasm would be better employed helping them, would it not? And I wonder how loudly you'd celebrate if it was your bones moldering in that grave after being sacrificed? Culture is all very well until it kills you.
I have Creek and Choctaw blood, too. That doesn't mean I can't recognize savagery for what it is...whether the savages in question wear white skins or brown ones.
Is this your analysis of our people the Native Americans, not the European world view of our People.. only Aztland People can speak on this not you speaker.
Not so. Cultures and their habits can be observed by anyone. They're plain to see. Having specific DNA grants you no special insights into the inner workings of a culture which no longer exists. Archaeology and research and a little common sense do that.
The native Americans did not do these works. This was a distinct and separate race.