Console Wars - Ultimate Mortal Kombat 3 - Super Nintendo vs Sega Genesis
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- čas přidán 13. 04. 2019
- In this episode the rivals take on Ultimate Mortal Kombat 3. The games are very similar, but there are some differences. Which one was better? Ultimate Mortal Kombat 3 for the Super Nintendo or Ultimate Mortal Kombat 3 for Sega Genesis?? Find out in this episode of Console Wars!
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These guys are criminally undersubbed!! Love this show!!!!
I concur good sir.
Agreed
I always thought so too. This channel is so cool.
One of my top 5 favorite channels!
@@PacifistNihilist also one of my top five, always nice and interesting!
''I'm Sub-Zero. And I'm Scorpion. And this is MORTAL KOMBAT!'' *cue 90s techno theme*
I'm Mileena*
Ermac*
*cue
Best videogames ever!!!
Subzero rules!!
Shao Kahn called, he said he still wants his payment for that sound clip
A few things you guys were missing. The voice grunts in the Genesis version sound more like the arcade. The music is also closer to the arcade. The SNES version has more Shao Kahn taunts (when you fight him) and has Human Smoke's pop up combo that is missing from the Genesis version.
And the 2nd fatality of Scorpion are diferent like in Genesis he transport the opponent in his Lair and the opponent end burned and explode (in the snes just apear multiple Scorpion and end black,lame).
they also forgot to mention that the sega genesis version has a second cool glitch exclusive, Glitchality.
in both versions Animalities were removed, but, in genesis version someone accidentally left in Kabal's Animality's input command. If you try and perform an Animality with Kabal, he loses his head and some very strange things can happen.
is extremely fun to do because crazy things happen, and it rarely breaks the game.
Pffff
@@sergiomendoza251 both ports have the same fatality where the opponed burns in the hellish background (it's called hades I think). The multiple Scorpion fatality with the black screen is the arcade original fatality, the 16bit consoles just can't handle so many Scorpion sprites, so it was changed to a simple burning enemy.
8:15 - Correction. Mileena and Ermac did not have bios in the arcade version. They were characters that had to be unlocked, and therefore did not have a bio. Unless they added it in a later revision, which I am not aware of.
Good to know.
Man I'm so glad that you're still making content, and really hope Greg is doing well. Found the channel a while back and watched everything, love it! You and Pat work really well, keep going guys👍
Great episode! I had ultimate on SNES. I always assumed it was better then the genesis version so it was neat to see all the stuff missing. Also, loved the ending! Haha
Snes is way better what are you smoking
@@dondavid6514 better graphics doesn't mean it's better bud
@@ohwow4596 in performance and graphics wise
Snes is way better than the Genesis
@@dondavid6514 it really doesn't even look that much better.
@@Spewa-em8cm cap
You didn't mention that jade neutral stand is different, in sega it's like mileena and on super nintendo it's like kitana
After MK2 console wars, I have been waiting for this episode. It's time for MORTAL KOMBAT!
Hi ehnkr2
@@quin4072 Hi Quinten.
i still miss Greg, aka the REAL Super Nintendo Guy.
@@kenterminateddq5311 I miss him too, but, personal things matter. Also, the new guy isn't too bad. But, I definitely would have wanted the mortal kombat console wars trilogy to end with the same SNES guy.
New, Console Wars - Mortal Kombat Trilogy, Nintendo 64 vs. Sega Saturn
PlayStation
@Anthony Cook they're talking about between the N64 and Sega Saturn
Saturn's version was pretty solid, and pad was definitely definitely better with the dpad being 8 way and all buttons being face buttons.
Saturn definitely wins that, even if the Playstation version is likely better than both. The Playstation and Saturn versions both basically had the presentation of UMK3 arcade, which the N64 just couldn't match.
@@THENAMEISQUICKMAN yeah but the n64 version is still good in its own weird way
New guy is doing an amazing job, great episode. So happy the show is still going :)
Whatever happened to the original guy?
"Who likes Nightwolf?"
Man, I love him. He is such a badass.
The guys over here dissing the Matoka gonna feel the power of the Great Spirit.
This is without a doubt your best episode yet!
Went more in depth about Graphics, Presentation, Sound, and Gameplay!!
Not to mention the surprise twist at the end!!! Fantastic Work :D
Thanks man. I put a lot of work into this one since sooooo many people wanted it.
Still waiting on the Worst Version of Batman Forever
and Batman - Revenge of the Joker
They're both the worst.
@@GrumpyCat97 actually, the super nintendo version of Batman the return of the joker wasn't even released
@@Jao8bits oh, ok
I prefer the best version over the worst version
Both versions are winners. It really comes down to preference. Both are fantastic ports that push their respective systems to their limits!!!
Awesome skits, too. I want a Sub-Zero made Hawaiian Ice!!!
UMK3 on Genesis is one of the best looking games for the Genesis overall - but UMK3 on SNES is nothing special for the SNES, there exist so many much better looking games in diverse genres.
You spelled Snes is the better game wrong lol
@@greensun1334I’ve played a lot of Genesis games. It definitely is not the best looking game on the system. I’m actually kind of disappointed how many cuts they made.
@@opaljk4835 those cuts were made because of the huge roster. Yes, it could've done better, on both consoles. Especially since they're big 32meg (MK2: 24meg) cartridges! SNES UMK3 has even more/different cuts, like the missing stages, but the normal MK3 (32meg as well) is pretty accurate on both systems.
@@greensun1334 I believe the Genesis version it's 40mb against 32mb on Snes, that's why they have 4 more stages. Unfortunately, it's a poor trade off, since graphics and sound is worse on Genesis version.
Sure Mortal Kombat 3 is nice but Ultimate Mortal Kombat 3 gives you more Mortal Kombat.
This episode is Epic, thanks for the detailed explanation on the differences I always wanted to know! I had no idea the Super Nintendo version was missing levels!
"Good change~! Good change." I love this reference to Men in Tights.
21:55 "Pong is exclusive to the seeeeega Genesis" These are the last words that I would hear from someone talking about the system with blast processing.
The snes version has 4 less scenarios than the sega genesis version.
This was a fine episode as it is, but the ending made it extraordinary. Keep this up guys, it's a blast to have you.
27:47 Best part. You´re awesome, guys.
Grettings from Argentina.
@Captain Kirk dont be mad, drink manaos! :D
Glad you enjoyed it Argentina!
Buenos tardes, mi che.
Edit: Yo soy de los EEUU, pero yo hablo español.
@Captain Kirk search in google "vamos manaos"
@Captain Kirk its better than Coke Cola ;) trust me!
The 90s CG skeleton border really seal the deal for the video.
I believe that was actually from a print add for UMK3 that was in magazines.
One of the best episodes you guys have ever done. Very in depth analysis and comparison. Well done
A,C, Up, B, Up B, A, Down. I haven't played UMK3 since early 2000s, but I'll never forget this cheat code :)
12:15 The music changes to the appropriate stage music when someone gets uppercut into another stage, like the arcade version. SNES version stays on the same music after an uppercut stage change until the next round.
Yeah but Sega has crappy music
@@SuperPeterok yeah SNES version are more ochesterated and hitting someone like James Rolfe said is more satisfying in snes
@@SuperPeterok you're crazy deaf then. Music is way better in genesis. In snes is all muffled and echoed can't tell shit if it's music or just actual noise lol.
The snes is extremely muffled, at least you can tell sega even has music
@@SuperPeterok The music in the SNES version is horribly off-key.
You know those “lamps” you mentioned that are not in the SNES version of the Pit stage? Well they’re even on the GameBoy and GameGear versions of the game lol!
But honestly, I was able to "understand" that scenario just after playing it on SNES (owned a Genesis at the time). Think this and SSF2 were the games were color palette difference were felt to me, specially in scenarios (luck music here was waaay better than SSF2 at Genesis)
I'd love to see you guys do "Mortal Kombat Trilogy"
Hell, you can get a 3rd guy in "Playstation" for it, since MKT was released on Saturn, PS1, and N64!
I'd gladly donate a copy for the vid.
I wish I could be the Playstation guy.
@@SuperPeterok Greg for playstation
Great episode! Been waiting so long for this! I hope the other guy is okay.
Pat has really built up a personality, he is fantastic. Miss Greg still, but Pat is also awesome
What happened to Greg?
@@Shinobi33 he left the show because of personal issues he has been dealing with... there is a video if you google why did greg leave console wars
@@scarfade1635 ok I'll check it out thx
It was disappointing when Greg left Console Wars years ago , but the new guy is definetly doing great replacing him in Console Wars , btw aren't Greg & Pat brothers anyway? I think im already watching this channel for decade or so.
Pat was awesome as sub-zero!! I love Greg, but Pat is also super awesome! looking forward to you two in the next video! awesome end by the way!
That ending is the best one yet. I love all that editing.
Oohoho
I may be late, but this fits my MK binge perfectly! Thank you for another great video!
This was an awesome episode guys. I really enjoyed it.
Pat is awesome! He cracked me up 5 or 6 times. You go, Pat! Great episode guys.
@Captain Kirk Ok, point to where Pat touched on the doll....
Yea I like him better this time!
@Captain Kirk Look everybody, it's the token hormone-filled 12 year old of this comments section.
I love my Friday nights with a cold beer and watching these guys talk retro games. Good to see they're still going, but it's a dam shame that they don't have more subs!
Well, i must say i didn't was expecting this final result! Great episode, guys. Congrats!
The actor playing Sub-Zero, whoever they are, will in future episodes be billed as "Golden Globe and BAFTA nominated" I have a feeling. A powerful performance.
If you look really closely you can see its Pat, his powerful performance even obscured his identity from you.
Maybe he doesn't
Just make sure not to make fun of him, or he’ll teach you a lesson and freeze your dog
There is also an updated version of Mortal Kombat 3 called Mortal Kombat Trilogy, which was never in the arcades. MKT is on the Saturn, PS1, N64, MS-DOS, Tiger R-Zone, Tiger Game Com and Microsoft Windows.
@John Nada It's based on MK3 though as all characters can run and perform combination attacks and the game plays much like MK3/UMK3.
@John Nada MKT is not a trilogy. It is an updated version of MK3. Look it up on Wikipedia. The "Trilogy" in the name is misleading.
R-Zone Master Race.
Yep MKT is a stand-alone update to UMK3. Only reason it's called a trilogy is because it brings back characters and stages from the first 2 games. If it was a trilogy then MK 1 and 2 would be playable as well and the gameplay wouldnt be that of UMK3.
There's also MK 1 and MK 2 versions of Raiden, MK 1 and MK 3 Kano's, and MK 2 versions of Jax and Kung Lao.
This is the closes console war battle I have seen. Thought it was awesome. You two guys have a great groove with these videos.
Always having a blast watching you guys. Keep up the good works because we know it’s always coming :)
Bart's Nightmare is the next episode!
Agreed!
Would love to see that as well. They are pretty similar with a few minor differences.
I just don't hope it will be a worst game episode cause it's not as bad as some people make it out to be.
Nordic Gaming It’s the worst Simpson’s game on the SNES. Krusty, Virtual Bart, even Itchy and Scratchy had better games.
@@RockmanMegaX Depends on who you ask. I for one think it's a masterpiece.
@@RockmanMegaX Itchy and Scratchy is worser than Barts Nightmare.
UMK3 was last Retail game I brought for Megadrive/Sega Genesis
bdel80 me too but for SNES
But it was the first for me. And now it's still available via emulation.
Woah! Console Wars? I haven’t seen these videos in years! CZcams recommended is bringing me some major nostalgia. Glad to see you guys are still active.
I know this video is old, but my god wasnt this entertainting, from the comparisons to the ending fight! Great job guys
I like the Super Nintendo version better because of the better graphics and better audio (and better controllers), but it's a close call, because of the missing levels!
snes version looks better sega version have horrible graphics looks fuzzy snes looks better but it have too much bugs and glicthes
Good to see a new vid, guys!
The ending made this the best Console Wars yet! Love it
Yay i have been waiting for this for 2-3 years
That ending was hilarious. Great job, guys.
Thanks!
Kudos for not being swayed by the SNES’s obviously superior visuals. I was always disappointed in the Sega version because of that, but feel better about it after this in-depth analysis. Thanks guys. :-)
It was really close and almost went to SNES, but couldn't deny all the Genesis game had.
@@ConsoleWars even with the graphics, I would still go with the Genesis. More levels, gives it more replay value.
Especially decades later, graphical differences are less important than replayability and authenticity.
@@reginaldeberhart8521 Not to mention SNES only has 1 stage fatality while Genesis has 3 stage fatality. You could say UMK3 for Sega Genesis has more variety. Also, the Console Wars guys forgot 1 more glitch for the Sega Genesis. If you do Kabal's Animality after winning, Kabal gets decapitated. You could say this is a harakiri glitch😂
This channel always has a hard on for Sega for some reason. Sound is shitty but it won on that because of a laugh? Stupid
For the SEGA players:
A-C-up-B-up-B-A-down
You will thank me later!
that's the 2nd cheat i know by memory after the konami code.
What does the code do?
@@rickweiss2793 its the ultimate code, unlocks all of the cheat menus, you do this at the start screen.
@@TurboBeads sweetness!
A B A C A B B A
Been waiting for this one for a while.
Nice ending, didn't saw that ending coming :)
Very good episode!!!! Keep up the good work guys. Cheer up Pat, you did a very good job in this one. ;)
20:13
Poor Kabal it was like "...Sheeva? - Steps back- "
Wow, this is one of your best videos in quite a while. Well done!
You forgot to mention Sega’s 6-button gamepad. It’s much more comfortable to play this game.
That doesn't even matter. The only extra button is the block button which is fine with shoulder buttons. This is a four button game.
Humorous LOL, even Arcade stand has 6 button. Look at it.
@@HumorousLOL and the run button
@@HumorousLOL wow, you've never player MK3 right?
Humorous LOL nah man. 6 button.
"it's a good change". I caught that. Love it !!!!!!
Great Episode guys! Pat really feels like he has come into his own and is a great addition to the show!
Loved every second of this video. You guys are having a great time.
My nostalgia for the Sega version of UMK3 gets to win the day!!
My deepest condolences for you guys if Bart’s Nightmare is next on the docket 😬😬
SNES UMK3 is still better than Sega Genesis. Cause I have to also include the controller for the systems too, to pick which is the most comfortable when playing fighting games like UMK3.
To me the SNES controller is more comfortable than the Sega Genesis controllers.
@ben owen Whatever, but there's far more better games on SNES than Sega. That's for damn sure!
@@bazzerker35s That's an opinion. You probably don't know enough about the Genesis to have a valid opinion
@@the757general2 Maybe I don't want to to know much about the Sega Genesis. My opinion is more valid enough for commenting. I've played enough SNES games to know that it's more worth it than the Sega Genesis.
I don't really care about the extra stuff they have on Sega Genesis. The quality look of the game is more important than the extra stuff in the game and the presentation.
@@bazzerker35s If you don't know anything about the Genesis then your opinion is shit. Plain and simple.,
Ain't gonna lie, this is the very 1st vid I've seen on y'all channel. I saw the thumbnail & immediately thought of... Game Sack.
Liked the video so... I'ma subscribe.
AcidTake what’s game sack?
@@mikeval1525 Game Sack is a CZcams channel that shows off retro gaming. At the time when both host were together, one of them would usually wear a Nintendo shirt while the other would wear a Sega shirt. Hence the comparison I made.
Those drawn abs on Sub Zero are just the best.😄 Excellent episode!
Missed you guys! This is a great episode right on the heels on MK11. Great episode.
Three episodes in and Pat already shows his chest! XD
The boy can't help himself. lol
Great video! The only thing I'd add just for the heck of it is that the SNES version is missing some animation frames. For example in Cyrax's self-destruction fatality there are less frames of movement than in the Genesis version.
Also the Genesis version wins because they modded it into Ultimate Mortal Kombat Trilogy and that game is amazing
I'm sure there's small things I missed. I didn't know the trilogy thing. That's cool.
I checked a ton of website. Not one mentioned the trilogy thing. @Captain Kirk
@Captain Kirk Actually they do A LOT of research before EVERY episode, I can vouch for that personally. This was more of a side note that I notice. In fact there are MANY things I didn't know about both versions myself. For example, I didn't know about Shang Tsung's transformations in the Genesis versions or how Smoke and Noob have Brutalities and Babalities in the SNES version. This is not information that is easy to come by and the fact this was in the video was an eye opener. Things fall through the cracks all the time, instead of complaining what there isn't in the video, appreciate what we did get.
@Captain Kirk glad to see the art of conversation is still alive.
Captain Kirk Wow. Talk about "polite"... The very fact you even like your own comments soildifies the fact your support on those comments are completely artificial and that no one actually likes what you're saying.
Also, emojis. Need I say more?
TBH: Its amazing that the Genesis was even capable to go toe to toe with the SNES, especially this late in it's lifespan.
As the Genesis was so late in it's lifespan by the time of MK3 and UMK3 the developers were very familiar with the console's hardware, they knew all the clever tricks that allowed them to squeeze as much out of the console as possible. They knew techniques that enabled them to push the console to it's absolute limits, like getting the console to display a much richer colour pallet than what was previously thought possible and managing to include much more sound effects and digitised speech in the game. The animation of the sprites included many frames so was smooth as well.
@@clarenceboddicker6679 it still looks awful,🤣🤣🤣
@@sliltury2418 lol true
In my opinion the two especially the 1st one was kinda half assed on genesis which was the norm for Probe. Midway doing much better job.
@@str8duval you mean sculptured software..
Glad to see this channel back on track :)
Even I knew it was a tough call for which version of Ultimate Mortal Kombat 3 was better. Both versions have their ups and downs.
It was tough. The winner changed a couple of times. First Sega won, the SNES, then Sega again. Tough indeed.
Sega wins!
Honestly the way you acted out Sub Zero was fuckn epic.
Omg Metropark! Hahaha. Welcome Pat! You’re doing an awesome job, great to see you and Dan continue the channel
it's good to see Console Wars back in action.
Sub Zero Also Froze My Dog
Hah, you two work so well together.
Happy your back on track
Glad that Console Wars returned :D Awesome episode !
Cool video! You guys should do Thunder Force 3 on the Genesis vs Thunder Spirit on the SNES
I've never seen one single person with both 6 button pads for Genesis back in the day. It was horrible to go to a friends house and play with the 3 button pad as a second player everytime. Only because of that I have always hated to play fighting games on Genesis.
elbitxo That is so weird, my mum had the exact same issue. And also only owned one 6 button controller.
Oh well! I got two in late 1993. I feel your pain :)
Mega Drive should have come with them as standard from 1993 onwards.
The fact that you didn't seen anybody with the 6 button pad doesn't mean anything. I remember playing as a little kid with the 6 button, which was pretty common when mk3 came out
Except the D pad for the snes sucked bad for fighters.
They did come standard from 1993 onwards.
Can we talk about how "Sub's Heroes" is brilliant and just completely glossed over.
Wow! Great timing! I watched 1 and 2 a few months ago and i saw this today and im like "YES! FINALLY!"
Finally (U)MK3 episode!
But i have to point out a few things
Yea, SNES have might more colorful graphics and more details on some stages, but SEGA is Higher resolution + the character sprites are higher def too and do contain more frames than the SNES.
The 8 player tournament mode cheat was present on vanilla MK3 SEGA port as well and i'm pretty sure i saw this cheat on UMK3 SEGA, but i am not quite sure
The gameplay is butter smooth on SEGA as well, unlike the SNES wich has input lag (it's not really bad, but you do notice it)
A track wich is missing entirely from the SEGA ports but avalible on the SNES version of (U)MK3 is the Shao Kahn's defeat theme (wich is the main menu theme of MK3 on PS1 and PC, but it exists on the arcade as well)
And for the voice sample, the SNES has voice samples wich are lacking from the SEGA version - Liu Kang has more voice samples on SNES, the cyborg robots as well, and when you defeat Shao Kahn, you hear him screaming just like in the arcade, unlike SEGA wich reuses one of his soundbytes.
Anyway, great episode!
Or you know , you can just play UMKT Hack
SNES is still better as Sega Genesis has ruined it's looks in presentations with the FINISH HIM and sound effects that you get from the SNES version
I was always disappointed with each Mortal Kombat game on Sega Genesis which they didn't bother getting the best color graphics after the first Mortal Kombat game
I thought that Sega had more time to get everything done right for
Mortal Kombat 2 and UMK3 for Sega Genesis
But they failed to deliver a more impressive performance than the SNES to get better color graphics and better look to the games
@@bazzerker35s the game was ported by the same developer (Sculptured Software) and they did pretty good job for both but SEGA is much closer to the arcade.
@@kamenstoychev8375 I don't believe it at all
If Sega had better color graphics and presentation to everything that Super Nintendo had then Sega
Then it would of been better but to be honest I never liked any of the Mortal Kombat games on Sega Genesis as they looked so different compared to the Super Nintendo
The only flaw that Sega Genesis had was the first Mortal Kombat game to have a blood code for the actual fatalities
@@bazzerker35s agreed
No train fatality! Should be a shirt lmao
So happy console wars is still going strong. Best channel ever.
I love the meta-humor that you both (and Greg used to) use.
It's too bad the Genesis version didn't use the highlight/shadow technique to get more colors.
You have to use shadow/highlight in very specific scenarios. It's not just a magic fix all for the lack of on screen colors.
One more for the good guys!
Great video dudesss!
Greg will always be missed, but pat is really starting to fit in with the show!
Where did he go?
Greg left the show. I don't know the details behind it, unfortunately.
@@qmchale5130 yea it’s personal I think but Dan and Greg are still great friends
Mk11 is about to drop. I can't wait
MK11 looks like its been dropped... out of someone's ass.
Wait for an ultimate edition don't be a sheep.
New Console Wars! Woohooo!
Awesome, keep up the good work!
THANK GOD I found your channel I’ve been debating with myself for over 20 years which version is the best
I was impressed back in the day how close they had gotten graphically with the Sega version to the Super Nintendo version by MK3 and UMK3 since the first and second games. It makes me wonder how much if at all they were pushing the Super Nintendo.
Awesome Episode!!!
Thanks!
YES!!!!!!! This just made my day soooooo much! Thank you!!!!!
Holy shit, Pat. Your video randomly came across my feed. I used to hang w/ you & your brother (Tom) back in high school. Great video, man. Keep up the good work.
Woow! Waited long time for a new episode! Glad its here!
Whos the new guy
Hope you enjoyed it!
Did he fr
Its a great ep loved it
Damn that sucks
PEOPLE.ASKED.FOR.THIS.FOR.YEARS. Thank You!
P.S. Bit disappointed you went for Ultimate instead of the Classic MK3 (both these consoles obviously weren't able to handle UMK3).
P.P.S. Sad that Greg wasn't able to be a part of this.
What do you mean they aren't able to handle it? They are more than capable as shown in the video.. wtf
@@Blehstor both inferior to the arcade version
Amazing episode! It’s also pretty rad to see my comment at the end!
It was a epic conclusion easily one of my favorite longer episodes by far after all these years.