Trailmaster MB200-2 VS Mega Moto MM212PRO Round 1 "Does Size Really Matter?"
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- čas přidán 27. 07. 2024
- Hey guys FatBuddyCat here! Every great mini bike has to start somewhere and while both of these bikes are so close to stock, I would like to take the time and give them a fair comparison before a run at the title. One of these bikes may take a little more preparation and modification but in the end it might be what it takes to rock the foundations of what is currently today's most capable, technologically advanced and performance enhanced mini bike offering on the market. Stay tuned and hold on tight, this is going to be a wild ride!!
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Awesome video. I never realized the size difference before. Thanks for showing.
You're welcome! They ride very differently too.
Thank you for the showcase on both bikes I'm definitely a Trailmaster bike rider and doing a good job have fun riding your bikes Steve from Annapolis Maryland
I'm currently going over both of them so they can really lock horns. I'm a heavy, capable rider and I intend to squeeze every bit I can out of the two bikes. The Trailmaster now has a fully reinforced frame (it didn't break but I'm addressing ALL the issues I can.
4 minute introduction of the multitude of mods done, "Other than that it's all stock". :D
Lol I can't be riding completely stock, ain't nobody got no time for that!
Crazy builds man, very nice video!🤙
Thank you! This is just heating up....😏
Yessir, I heard that!!🔥
You know, the Mb200 does have rear pegs which makes it more like a dirt bike. It also makes cornering feel more stable and makes it way better for jumping/riding wheelies and you can stand up for rough terrain and goin over obstacles. You'd be amazed at how much better you can ride and correct the bike when standing up goin through rough/difficult terrain. I used to ride dirt bikes when I was a kid so the front pegs feel really weird to me. Using the rear pegs just feels better all round and also puts my feet under me more to catch myself if I need to. Only problem I have is now that I have installed stage 1 kits, the air filter prevents us from using the rear pegs making our bike's less enjoyable to ride.. tryin to figure somethin out until I can put aftermarket carb set ups on our bikes. Thank you for the video as I have been very curious on the size difference between to two bikes. For some reason everyone be too afraid to try out the mb200's when they come over so need to get something less intimidating to ride for family n friends like a moto or coleman lol
I folded both sets of pegs a few months before I cut the Trailmaster in half. I now have the relocation bracket and mx pegs. The mb200-2 is a great bike but it has a few hurdles to get over.
Rear pegs on a dirtbike are as ridiculous as forward pegs on a dirt bike.
Mids give one control offroad not either of the latter.
Pretty cool bud ,
Great video 😁
Thanks! Those were both fun bikes when it gets down to it.
hey hey love the bike. its hunter from the trailbike page!
Thanks! It was a lot of fun. I've built a few good ones. I figured out how to do a long disc brake fork on the z50r today but have to install it to see how ridiculous it might be....😬
Really enjoyed the video. Have owned and enjoyed both very much. I definitely agree that the monster moto has a more sporty feel with the peg position, where the trailmaster is more cruiser.
You did forget to mention the monster moto jackshaft bearings failing about every tank of fuel though. That was the deciding factor for me to get rid of the moto as I street ride long distance.
I haven't had an issue yet. I'm actually rebuilding the jackshaft in an upcoming video with some tricks I've learned from some good buddies.
@@fatbuddycat you've been lucky. Since the gears are so far apart, and pulling in different directions, it really torques the jackshaft and wears the bearings out and gets noisy quickly. A 100 mile ride was not an option for me. The trailmaster has the gears right next to each other pulling opposite directions, which leave the bearings almost neutrally loaded.
@@brandjayfab hmmm.....🤔 I see what you mean there.
This guy deserves way more subscribers
Thanks! I go pretty hard for my minis!!
I'm partial to the MB200. Those SunF tires look real aggressive. I was looking for some street tires for mine. I just put mirrors on mine. With the Honda tank and all I did to mine it looks like a regular motorcycle. The ride and all. I just like it a lot. I should do a comparison to the Coleman CT200u-ex and the MB200-v2 since I finished the Coleman. Also getting ready to restore a Honda RX80 I picked up last year...
Yeah brother! When I first assembled the mm212pro I was like 😬 because I thought it was bigger. I really like them both so it's hard to tell.
I just ordered my mb200-2 and a honda rebel tank. Wanting to find some metal Baja Warrior fenders for it because the stock plastic fenders look weird to me. Look up Sunf A021 for some badass street tires.
That Mega Moto is the cutest coolest Banana Bike ever, get some lights and a plate and do some road vlogs!
I sold it quite sometime back. I don't keep a collection like most people, I'm always on the hunt for "the one."
You should get the green spring for the toque converter.
I ordered a yellow....😒
Great stuff thanks for sharing
I can't wait to start demonstrating the capabilities.
@Skott LeFever most definitely! I should have the carburetor sorted out tomorrow! It's going to haul major dirt.
@Skott LeFever I still ride my 79cc doodlebug everyday! I took apart Microbikology.
Great comparison buddy heck ya I still take my mb-200 over either one any day though super tuff machines
They are when they are built. Stock......maybe not so much. Yours is definitely ready for action.
I don't know I'm kind of more partial to the pro but at Tampa we all know that You're a die hard warrior man
@@heathenprojects2639 he has the generation 1 Trailmaster race bike. It's actually more like a Warrior with full suspension.
@@fatbuddycat ya I know the only thing I did not like on gen 1 was jack shaft it was always slower then my warrior but in the sea of mini bike the warrior has always been that off bike with a few mods they are fast but frames were garbage I've got mine put back together I melted aluminum and filled the bars was not an easy task but it's strong now I also ordered the them foot pegs them are going to be nice for my size 15 feet
@@heathenprojects2639 dang bro! You'd be that guy rolling by on a ct200ua and the chicks be like "awwww...there he go on that Doodlebug again...."
Luv it thanks..Where can you find these frames?
Texas I believe. Gopowersports has a kit or there is the slightly lighter route with the left hand sprocket found as the Coleman RB200. They can both be built to be great. Each has advantages and disadvantages.
How does that Wildcat 223 perform vs let’s say a Predator Hemi 212? I was thinking about buying one?
I did a stage 1 compared on a go kart last winter. Cat for the win. Better block and whole lot more value. In order to stroke a Predator to what a Wildcat is you'd be in for some work and still not have the block, head or valves the Wildcat does.
Interesting comparison. I have an RB200 that’s a lot of fun. I’d be interested to learn if that Monster’s front wheel and forks could swap to it because the front brake appears to be a perfect match for my Coleman’s rear brake hardware style.
I'll get to the riding comparison this week! I think the neck is the same. The frame itself is actually wider but the neck should be the same.
Totally changed everything about the bike... "other than that, it's all stock" hahahahhaaha.
Lol gotta have fun with them!
On the MM212 how did you like the short header compared to the long header? I just ordered the MM212 frame kit that im going to put a Ducar 212cc on it. Ive always had somewhat longer headers.
I like the longer headers but they all have multiple bends and need support. Long headers tend to promote more torque. The mm212 is kinda heavy and agrees with torque!
@@fatbuddycat that's was kinda my thinking, I do like having the torque. I do have enough material to make a support. Im gathering as much info on the MM212 while I wait for GPS to ship the bike. I have everything needed for the "stage 1" except for the header.
What UFO fenders are you using on the MB200?
They were a universal dirtbike fender off of Amazon. I cut the rear to fit a little better.
Really like the Mega Motos. Get the bare frame for $600 and then you have money left over for an engine and mods before the MB200.
Also, I knew I'd be giving my bike some performance parts and I really wanted front brakes.
I'm doing a pov comparison right now, trying to give them enough beans to break Equally.
yea but the mb200 has rear suspension
@@Spacecruizer203 I'm not convinced that the rear suspension is one of it's finer points. Not stock any way.
My trailmaster is one of the comfiest bikes to ride. Never had an issue with footpegs and we just got back from riding mountain trails up WV. Seat position is fine for me and im about your size. Forward pegs make it nice for cruising. I havent had a problem offroad whatsoever but im not picky either its my only mini bike lol😂
The bike is OK as a base but it's not the greatest thing since sliced bread. If you push them the problems show up. They are way over marketed for what they are.
Comfy compared to what? A lawn mower? For me comfort comes with reliability. The Trailmaster needs work to be truly reliable and modifications to be fun. Too much modification can hurt the bike though.
@@fatbuddycat not many decent minibikes with rear and front suspension. I agree it's a great base all I can say is I couldn't be happier with mine. Gonna put a Ducar on er sooner or later
@@fatbuddycat lol what's your definition of fun? 😂 60t rear sprocket and you get 45mph and darn fast launches. Mine does 50 and it's stage 1 also have yet to have a reliability issue beside the flawed seat mounting. Still 100% choosing it over a moto or coleman any day especially off-road. Maybe the bike just fits me well or something but I'm 5'11" 200lbs. Also mods for it are cheap like every other mini bikes that's part of the fun. If you buy a mini bike and don't do anything to it I don't want to know you
@@fatbuddycat they are pricey new but when you pick one up that runs and everythings there cosmetically for 450$ you can't complain
Love your bike buddy I may get mine done one day just never enough time in a day I'm starting a build in Sept not as wild as your cat what are those grips I'm going to need a set that look comfy
These grips are the bomb brother, hold on I'll grab the link. They have other colors available......
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@@fatbuddycat sweet ty
@@fatbuddycat ordered some blue ones
@@heathenprojects2639 right on, your gonna love them. Very high quality.
Hey my mb200-2 has a lot of engine braking when I let off the throttle. Is this normal or should it sort of coast when I release the throttle at speed?
That's normal for a torque converter to provide some of that sensation. When you let completely off the throttle it should smoothly disengage the driver as the rpm drops. There are a lot of tricks and even routine maintenance that can keep even the stock unit running smoothly. My personal experience is that on most motors you can find a better spring combination that works for your mini bike rather than jump to any conclusions or try a super 30 series such as a Torkzilla or Juggernaut. Every bike I own is on a torque converter, 79cc up to 223.
Another thing to look at on the stock mb200-2 driver is the bearing that the belt sits on. Make sure that it is operational.
@@fatbuddycat Thanks for quick reply. I got the stock convertor with the ball bearings at the driver pully and it is in good shape. I put on a new belt and now I have a lot of engine braking. Other than that its all good.
@@lsj624 if it's the right belt size your biggest concern should be creeping or lurching when you are stopped and at an idle. As long as you can fully disengage then you are doing well. Carberuretors and exhaust can also get stuffy if something is off and cause that sensation. Say if the motor is running too lean and holding a hot idle. Chances are you have to break in the belt. Take the driver apart and clean the dusty rubber out of everything. You can use spray graphite to lubricate the bell when your done or just wipe dry with a clean rag.
@@fatbuddycat Thanks for your help I think your right about the belt needing broke in. When I put an old belt on the braking sensation is greatly reduced. Thanks again. I also made some videos on my mb200-2 engine swap and upgrades if your interested. Cheers.
The side by each does show big time ! Longer wheel base different bike.
Absolutely! Next to an mm80 it is like a set of steps. The Mega Moto MM212PRO is more of a midsized ride but it has a reputation for getting the job done.
That’s like a real motorcycle, rear suspension& hydraulic disk .. I was going to buy the trail master but it was hard to get one in California & I said f it & bought the bt..
I want a Honda fat cat or a homemade one that fits a 212.
Maybe like a predator swap 80s Xr 100, 200 or a tw 200 ,
I’m trying to ride
2-3 gallons to somewhere I’ve never been before
& get some hardcore adventure out of this 212 platform.
That's my plan soon. I'd really like to build something street legal.
My first bike was an 87 Yamaha Big Wheel 200!
Sunf ap27 I have not ran a set yet how are they on pavement?
No idea! I'm a dirt man.
@@fatbuddycat I ride gravel dirt grass buy I have to travel sometimes a mile on pavement to get to area I'd think they would hold up since they are a 6 ply
@@heathenprojects2639 something like that wouldn't hurt too bad, yes they are full 6 ply off road tires. I can't believe the value in SunF tires. I try to build nice mini bikes that are very capable, so good tires being the only thing actually touching the ground means there is not a lot of room for inferiority.
I Just bought a juggernaut torque converter for my Tillerson 212 stage 1 on my baja warrior frame . I road my bike yesterday it for about 30 minutes I cut it off .now the the pull cord want pull can anyone help me. ?
Was the governor removed or modified (aka zip tied)?
If not it could be as simple as a pull starter.
@@fatbuddycat it was modified, i put a aftermarket spark plug in . I'm going to try the old one see what it would do. The bike always starts after one pull even in the cold. Now it want pull
@@jacquesbillingsley8733 if that governor gear broke up inside it can get lodged between the cam and crank....again not the worst case scenario. We can figure this out!
@@fatbuddycat I hope not I'm going to go through everything I see before I take it apart
@@jacquesbillingsley8733 take the pull starter off. See if it pulls when off the motor. That will tell you if it's the recoil or the engine.
i dont get it man i just run a 11tooth clutch on my 80cc an im goin 40 No TC how fast does it make it go 80
Zooooooom!
@@fatbuddycat lol so how wider are the forks on the mb2oo then my motovox im trying to run the front brake kit from Gps and the 8inch wheel because i already drilled out the front suspnsion for 5/8 for my chrome spinner wheel i got from the Grey goat himself
@aNgRY cRUiZer2O3 which fork? The Trailmaster or the universal set for the mm80?
@@fatbuddycat the mm80 onezzz
@aNgRY cRUiZer2O3 I'll get an exact measurement for you. I have a spare set.
You should replace them pegs with cr 80 foot pegs.
I have some coming in soon. They got postponed 3 days in shipping. Attaching them is the trick!
mega moto all the way although i order the mud guards for my motovox from gopowersports and they sent me monster moto branded ones kinda pissed the mb200 is cool too
I have one of those vox guards, it is rounder than the mega moto.
@@fatbuddycat me too mine is tribal red and black from the platinum edition motovox
Now cut the rear half off the mb200 and install on the moto now you have the best.
I have a new video coming today. I went for more of a track bike approach but it's super unique and ultra reliable.
Its funny, i think ive made my rb200 the same size as the trailmaster
It happens like that sometimes!
You have all the fast bikes
Their getting there! Every time I say I need a stocker I'm right back at it.....😁
With the modifications on both motors you have done, are they fairly close in power and does the wildcat edge out the tilly with current mods?
@@markbordelon6191 currently the Wildcat is a freight train of a motor. If I cam the 212r, swap the 22# for 26# springs and add an ARC Flywheel it will go harder. Here's the big ticket.....The Wildcat is factory stroked, with the EC stage 2 kit you'd be pretty close to the same money if you did a 212r BUT you are getting all the benefits of a stroker. It's got more torque and power down low and across the mid range spectrum. The Cat can handle more flow but with a 212r head......😏. It's all what you want. I'd say the Wildcat is a great candidate for a built motor but the 212r is ready honk with very minor modifications.
fatbuttycat how about you sell me that yellow one to someone who really needs it
I sold it for $500 with a custom suspension Seat and a low hour hemi. I lost a lot of money on that bike.
"Other than that, it's all stock." Lol
Absolutely! Lol.
What size tires are those???
Sunf AO27. Nice treads on that bike.