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The Biggest Vinyl Record Misconceptions
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- čas přidán 17. 08. 2024
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The part about classic albums being overpriced is so ridiculously true, it's awful sometimes how much stores (especially the big box stores) will inflate these prices just to scam the casuals/newer collectors
In part I blame eBay. People look in there, knowing nothing about what they are doing, and price it high because everyone else is. Even true about overpaying, good luck convincing someone to cut the price. If you want a record that's old, the only place you are going to get it dirt cheap is from a yard sale or someone that doesn't know any values of the album. Everyone's going to go to discogs and price similarly.
I actually don't really understand the point on this one. Of course more popular albums are more valuable because they're more in demand and will sell faster. There are also instances of lesser known albums that have a cult following that are valuable because they didn't press many, but of course Abbey Road is going to sell for more than a Ringo solo album. You can't really find copies of Abbey Road, Led Zeppelin IV, Dark Side etc for cheap anywhere anyway unless you get lucky at a thrift store/ garage sale.
Hear hear. I tried to buy a classic bossa noval. $44 price tag. Online? $20.
I'm like well. I would have been happy to pay $25 in store even. But nope.
I live in Toronto Canada and the prices they charge for Taylor Swift records is totally insulting. Not limited edition but just regular records...the cheapest I found for my girlfriend was $35 Can or $26 US....
Most of the popular classic albums are always reissue by the label.. might as well buy newer ones than overpay for used vinyls.
CDs sound great until the CD player creates a scratch naked to the eye then track 3 skips at that one part and it becomes part of the song in your head😂
@@mikechivy I was making a joke lmao. No need to cry dude. And if you scratch your CD too badly before you make copies, You can’t really make a copy.
LMFAOOO
I have heard CD skipping on radio stations and that drove me crazy. Mainly because the CD player was new to them and the stations believed that the CD was indestructible. Not so. Small blemishes can be cleaned out, but scratches, particularly tangent to the disc, will cause horrible skipping
The imperfections in vinyl is what I like about it. Especially in today's world where everything is overly digitally processed.
Agreed! I love the crackle pop of an old record, it makes me imagine all the families who enjoyed it before me and the memories they made together🥰
Nice Video. I got my first vinyl record in 1973.Been collecting ever since.Can probably tell you when and where i got each record. Those memories are what make the hobby so special to alot of People.
Yep. A good year. I was 9yrs old in ‘73.
I can still recall my early purchases, in ‘78 - Boomtown Rats ‘Rat Trap’ was my first single (or Dreadlock Holiday, 10cc - hey, it WAS a long time ago) & ‘Foxtrot’ by Genesis my first LP! Vinyl still rocks.
The mass retailer cancelled pre-orders thing is spot on! Good call out.
the pain is real
I once pre-ordered a vinyl from Barnes and Noble for $20 and they cancelled my order and ever since this vinyl has been worth over $100… so infuriating
Exactly :(
It’s kinda reassuring knowing I’m not alone in this frustration lmao Ugh
Nice job dude by the end I forgot you werent editing. You got everything across very well
Thank you! I was surprised when I watched it back how little I flubbed lol
As a long time (40ish years) vinyl owner and I guess collector...CD ownership can be just as enjoyable. I have many special edition Box sets or limited run/special edition CDs. So I don't fully agree with that point. I find it as fun and enjoyable searching, digging and hunting for specific CDs as I do vinyl...
Totally respect that, and I didn't mean to put down CD collectors by any means.
@@TooManyRecords Oh I know you didn't, don't sweat it. CDs are comin back baby....just wait lol
I collect both CD and records. I find I’m very picky about the records I buy tho. Mainly, I need to be able to enjoy the entire album. With CDs, it’s so much easier for me to rip a track I like to create a personal complication. Recent example is Sniff N’ Tear - Driver. That song it a belter, yet I personally don’t care for the entire album that has that tune. So, I’m looking for the CD which is more likely to be of good quality audio, and I.will be able to grab that track.
Can totally relate, Paul. Just started with vinyl christmas 2020, beforw that I was diggin CDs for 20 years. It was equally wonderful!
@@paulfraser1971 they already have! I'm starting to see some crazy prices for some of these oop titles already. You should check your collection, I know I'm about to (I still have roughly 500+ CD's)
Well done and spot on video. I grew with the British Invasion, I love both CDs and records. But with a hi-end system which I have (Music Hall 9.2 turntable, Ortofon Bronze cartridge and Paradigm floor standing speakers) then vinyl has that "magic" sound lacking on CDs, though they started to sound better after a few years when they came out. But you right, I love the whole ritual of putting a record on the turntable and reading the linear note for the 98th time.
I learned by lesson a few times on pre-ordering on Amazon. Made me realize that there's a reason they don't charge you for the pre-order until the item is obtained and ready to ship lol
Why wouldn't you just do both? If you are set on getting an album that you are dying for, why not hedge your bets and pre-order AND buy it on release day? Cancel the order if you find it earlier or take the other back to the store for a refund. You double your chances to keep from missing out on something limited and hard to get.
@@Swino5 True. I kind of started doing that. Mostly if I can I try to buy directly from the label the artist is on. You pay for it up front and you're guaranteed a copy.
Interesting last misconception, I didn't know all the details. I like the one take videos. Learning more about music out there from you and your collection is always great. More content like this if easier is welcomed by me!
Thanks Tyler! Noted :)
Vinyl does sound better to me - always has done and always will. But yeah you’re right it’s personal preference. The price of common albums is ridiculous at the moment. I put things on my Discogs wantlist and bide my time. There’s usually one that turns up for a reasonable price. Am liking the one-take vids. Definitely more please. Cheers Matt!
Hey, Andy! Nice to see you on this end 😊
@@djvinylgoblin Hey there! Good to see you too. Didn’t know you followed Matt’s channel too ! 👍
@@andyshacks7812 Yep! I have been for a long time
I just can’t hear vinyl sounding “better”. Lol I greatly prefer vinyl. I love it. But idk, maybe it takes the right higher end equipment for it to actually sound better. CD is by far clearer and just better overall sound somehow. But I havnt bought a Cd in 10 years and I buy vinyl every month lol . Something about vinyl I truly love, but I definitely can’t say it’s due to superior sound
@@allstopblue5717if you prefer CD or can't hear that records are far better it may be that you're tone deth.
Used records also charged more for the Mono vinyl versions than the stereo versions. Case in point are the Beatles. The price ranges start from $60 to $80 on the original mono recordings. It makes more sense to buy brand mew Mono recordings for a lesser price. Totally agree with you on all your comments.
My brother got me a mono copy of Beatles VI as a Christmas present for only $19 which is a good price especially for a Beatles U.S. album with the original rainbow Capitol label most of The Beatles U.S records that are still in good condition are selling for a fortune all around the internet
@@gdawg1585 the original mono are early pressings, there's a huge differance in sound with later pressings especially since we don't know what they recorded from. Could have even been a cd.
Growing up in the sixties, the department stores carried mono and stereo of the same album . The stereos cost more! I got the first Jimi Hendrix Experience ln mono for a Christmas present! Mono records played with a mono pickup can sound awesome!
Enjoying the one-take approach dude. Still has your personal style while being a lot easier for you I'm sure. Looking forward to future videos.
Recently joined your channel and you are awesome with information. Starting my collection and you are a great help!
Welcome to the family, Ryan!
I agree 100%
As someone who works in a brick n mortar store i witness most casual buyers walking in and asking for titles such as 'dark side'...'abbey road. this reveals a consistent demand which can either be acknowledged and 'capitalized' on or ignored. most record stores have chosen to acknowledge the influx of new buyers into the market as sign of more potential revenue (both in volume and in single units). i agree that a business has an obligation to meet the buyer at least halfway but actively under selling an in-demand item would be foolish. bare in mind this is the record business operator speaking....now the record digger side of me does wish all those classic titles were still cheap and available to everyone on demand. thankfully i think new pressings are doing a pretty good job of keeping up with the increase in vinyl buying. either way, always dig your take on the VC - cheers
If someone walks into your store for beatle albums then may I ask how much alcohol did they drink in the pub next door ?
For the most part I listen through hard wired speakers, but will also use bluetooth headphones to listen at night when people are asleep. I know its not the best sound, but I use it to be respectful of other people tbh
My new turntable has Bluetooth and I love it tbh. Dont have to set up speakers and can use my AirPods with it too. Not for everyone but I’m also not a audiophile
For those of us that grew up with records these kids of videos are hilarious!
Great video, Matt! This is my favorite one of 2022 so far, you hit the nail on the head with the Bluetooth bit. I've had to explain to a few ppl in the last week that they shouldn't get a Bluetooth TT.
Thanks Cameron!! :)
I was surprised that Matt said this, I totally agree 👏👏👏👏
Although I always knew that Bluetooth takes away the warmth of analog and therefore never indulged in that tech when it comes to vinyl, admittedly I listen to vinyl DJs on Twitch and even record my own vinyl mixes and upload to Mixcloud. Which, also, kinda defeats the purposes. However vinyl digitized to mp3 has a different (more attractive) sound than CDs ripped to mp3, especially if you use a mixer with a good EQ.
Totally agree, I have no reason to ever listen to a CD.
The first couple misconceptions you note really don't apply to my collection. The bulk of my collection is comedy and novelty records, the exact genres that don't sell very well in the modern market because the demand is so low. So there is little to no chance (except for the most well known names like Weird Al, Spike Jones or Monty Python) that the recordings I want would be reissued in another format if at all. I'm not looking for perfect sound, I'm looking for availability. I will happily play a G or G- quality comedy record because that's the only way I can find it in some cases. However, since my collection is made up of records in much less demand, I can usually find something in the dollar bin that I will be very happy with.
Cool I haven't really talked to people that seek out comedy records. I only have some from George Carlin. I will look around more often.
That makes sense! You're definitely in the minority of people who watch the channel though with a collection like that, but I'm glad you're here!
I really enjoy comedy, and started collecting them too. I grabbed an old Red Fox performance for $3 a few weeks ago. Bunch of one liner type jokes with tagging. 😎
I should have commented from my VC account, Slambo's Car of Idiots. I'm a bit behind on making and posting videos there because I've been working on a video project for a client, and I don't think it's fair for me to edit my own videos when my client work is in progress.
Regarding vinyl vs digital, when pressed right I found that everything sounds natural to my ear than a digital recording, even with SACD's. On top of that there's the loudness war that just ruins any recording, and not taking advantage of what digital is fully capable of.
Red Hot Chili Peppers Stadium Arcadium is my go to examples. Night and day difference
I collect old Spanish records and i've compared the sound quality on Spotify to the vinyl record and the vinyl sounds way much better. I rip the audio from spotify and used Fakin "The Funk" to analyze the bitrate and frequency of the audio file. It turned out that they were compressed at 128kbps, that explain the low quality sound of the Spanish albums on spotify. I compare the audio quality of new released vinyl records vs spotify and I can only tell them apart from the record surface noise, but the sound quality on both is awesome.
I never edit mine either! Live TV, folks! I’m only 6 months into this wonderful hobby. I watched a LOT of videos before I got my rig setup. I do think punk and jazz sound better on vinyl. It just hits differently ya know? I learn a lot from watching your videos and you always present them so nicely. A great Non MALT LIQUOR Video.
Vinyl is a lot of fun but it’s a long learning experience
Technology changed over the years so much
There’s no black and white with vinyl
I’ve heard beat up records sound better than mint records when they were closer to the original master.
The beat up vynil is better than a clean one in most cases, I believe it's because they played the hell out of it because it's so good.
And the ones that are in like new condition it's because it didn't sound that good , they didn't play it as much and so it stayed in a new condition.
When ever I see a beat up record it will get my attention right away, when I find one that looks new I wonder why they didn't play it as much.
Amen dude. Bluetooth & Vinyl are two words that do _not_ belong together.. Totally defeats the purpose. Wireless headphones/earbuds are no bueno.. Wired connections FTW! 👍
I try not to say vinyl 'sounds better;' I say, "I like the sound of vinyl better than digital." There's no real reason to argue for one or the other. And, both have their place. But, if someone wants to argue, a clean, flat copy of a well-recorded and pressed album will beat the CD every time. Admittedly, that's a lot of variables. HiFi streaming is the best thing that's happened to music delivery in my lifetime, but if I listen to an album on Tidal more than 5 times or so I seek out the vinyl,--if it's out there. People who like the clicks and pops from vinyl are a) doing it wrong and b) weird. Bluetooth record players are the dumbest idea I can come up with tonight.
In contrast, I like CDs better. I have my 400 vinyl records I bought from the late 60s to about the mid 80s. That's when I began to get into CDs. I had a beautiful but flawed Hitachi CD player that pooped out. They all did. It was a crap design and the electronics just died. But, back then I didn't care about which was better. It wasn't an issue. The issue was, while stationed in an Air Force Base in Japan, was getting hands of some fine HiFi equipment.
So, do records sound better? Depends, doesn't it. Just like what Biden wears when he is left to play outside.
As you said, too many variables, from the pressed disc to the amp/receiver to the speakers.
Distortion in audio is a pleasing thing. That is one of the main things vinyl systems offer is a pleasant analogue distortion. That will still happen before hitting the Bluetooth headphones, along with some other compression degradation. Which some people will like the sound of. In 30 years someone, somewhere will wax poetic about the sound of Bluetooth audio!
I agree with what you say about bluetooth, although a small bluetooth speaker is all I had and how I could afford to get into the hobby, so I definitely don't regret starting out with it! I now have a much better sounding set up, but I'm glad I didn't invest before I knew vinyl collecting was for me because money and space are valuable! I think it's a similar situation to why Crosleys exist in the market and why people start out with them. Sometimes it's a stepping stone for people new to the hobby before they realise they love it and want to take it more seriously. Having said that, I still tell people to try and avoid them lol.
This is all facts!
For me it’s about the total experience. It’s also important to note having a good system to extract the sound is important. There is so much more to the cover art and the history with vinyl. Is it overpriced? yes we’re in a pandemic. Is it worth it yes I’m still smiling 🙂 I absolutely Love the sound of vinyl it’s a different unique experience that goes well with a nice glass of wine and that’s priceless 🍷 Thank You
Great video, Matt. Regarding your point about the Bluetooth, I personally disagree. The Bluetooth connectivity on my turntable allows me to listen to my records without bothering my fiance or being physically tethered to the turntable itself, so it suits my needs perfectly, and to my ears, my records sound fantastic! It's also a great option for those who can't necessarily afford a set of powered speakers or an amplifier on top of the turntable, or who don't have a lot of room in their home (which is the case for my fiance and I, haha). But that point aside, I respect the opinions and information that you presented here, well done!
I totally understand why bluetooth is a valuable tool, but it doesn't make sense to me to listen to vinyl through bluetooth because you're just doing the expensive and inconvenient option without any of the benefits. To each their own though, the beauty of it is that everyone has the right to do whatever makes them happy! Just sharing my perspective ;)
People complain that vinyl is expensive, but records cost $8.99-$9.99 in 1980, which is equivalent to $34-$38 today.
A couple thoughts:
- For most people, a vinyl LP will not sound nearly as good as a digital copy. However, for those of us who have invested in a quality turntable and cartridge (most important component), as well as meticulously clean and care for our LPs can get a very clean, and quality sound that is at least as good as a CD. And you don’t have to spend much to get there, a quality Technics turntable with $500ish cartridge with nude micro line stylus is will get you there, a bit more investment into a better stylus will offer even better sound quality.
- Mastering of the LP is paramount: with new production albums, you have to pay attention to who mastered the album and pressed it. Often reproduction albums have been cut using the digital masters meant for CD and digital distribution, and they sound awful. The master tracks used for cutting LPs are processed differently, and to the ear would sound kinda awful played in their raw format, but that is what the cutting lathe needs to imprint the track correctly. I have a copy of The Beach Boys Greatest Hits from bought from Target, it is bland, flat, and lacking in presence as compared to the same songs played off older pressings because of this. I’m not saying all new LPs at big box stores are bad, but a lot are, and you have to pay attention to who the mastering house is. Read reviews online if you’re not sure.
- The Mofi edition albums are often not the best sounding editions and aren’t worth the money, just buy a higher grade of a standard edition of an album.
- In category of turntables under $1000, a used older Technics turntable will outperform and sound better than almost any new model in the price point. Everybody chases the SL-1200s and they command a ridiculous price, but for less than half the average price, you could get a SL-1300, 1500, 1700, etc that sounds as good or better as they feature much if the same components as the SL-1200, but with better suspension and isolation.
Dude, I love your channel. I could listen to you critique this community all fucking day or for at least 3 to four hours. I'm serious to. I remember driving through Long Island wine country thinking I could drive back to Connecticut without getting back on a Ferry listening to our videos through the cars bluetooth/aux can't remember which at that time. I love you dawg.
This comment rules, you rule, thank you man.
The only thing I trust big box stores to do is refund my money when they dont ship it out...get something damaged.
Amazon is notorious for awful packaging. I dont even bother buying records from them.
An analog versus a digitized signal will always be better
Reel to reel tape is even better
Most people who say vinyl sounds better are just foolishly parroting something they heard on the internet, with no real personal experience or comprehension to back it up. I’ll go as far as to say it can (and often does) sound better, but it takes a LOT to get to that point, not only with regards to the playback system but what goes into the production of the record itself. 95% of the records pressed today or over the past 20 years are not going to hit that mark. A record can’t sound better than the file it was made from. Some kid spinning Billie Eilish on an LP60 has every right to enjoy themselves, but let’s avoid deluding ourselves while we’re at it
On my set up vinyl sounds warmer. I like that. I do sort of enjoy the pops and clicks. But its more about the ritual of getting the record out, putting it on, accidentally dropping the needle like 50 seconds into the first track. Its probably a placebo as to why it sounds better but to me it does.
I prefer vinyl for the subjectivity of the sound and the ways you can make it sound good to you by adjusting things or swapping out components as well as all the physical goodies including the record itself.
I agree with you about stores marking up popular bands. We have seen here. Reissue can cost triple with original.
I only buy audiophile label records. I still have my records from 40 years ago, and I have taken care of them, they sound great. I have to agree that Mofi, and Analog Production records sound better than any digital mix, to my ears. I think the best investment anyone can make that is into vinyl, is the purchase of a record cleaning machine. Keep your records clean, and quiet.
I hate to break it to ya but nearly every single MoFi release from the last 15 years are sourced from digital… that’s why I will always buy first or early analog press than newer reissues….
@@bigsweetc6 That does not bother me. The bottom line is, the Mofi records are quieter, and they sound better the original presses.
@@jeffl915 I think it’s debatable to whether or not they sound “better.” On some maybe so on others definitely not. I’ll take US original presses of Led Zep II all day over the MoFis and many others I’ve heard just sound tame in comparison to an original. As far as quieter- I can’t argue that a brand new sealed record better damn well be quieter than in many cases 30-50 year old used originals. I’m saying though in many cases if not more a clean original will sound as good or likely better than it’s MoFi counter point. I’ll take my old “Kind Of Blue” all day thank you very much.
@@bigsweetc6 It’s not just that the records are new, it is also a better vinyl formula. All of my Classic Records Zep releases will sound better than an original. I just got an original Alan Parsons Project off eBay for $10 bucks, and it doesn’t make a peep, other than music. 😀
I've done pre orders through Amazon, but only 'bigger' releases, and I usually end up getting them late. But the more limited stuff I'll order/buy through indy shops. HOWEVER, some of these pre orders I've literally been waiting almost 8 months for! (they're being shipped now basically) One of them I ordered back in July and it won't even ship until NEXT MONTH! I've also done the Venmo/Paypal thing w/ a few people from vinyl groups on facebook and they've all worked out so far.
On the first myth: Vinyl generally DOES sound better than Mp3s. Naturally those are different from CD/DA format, but lots of people these days dont even buy CD's. They just get their music in mp3 format. Vinyl generally will beat that on a good system.
Very informative show, and thank you for the pop and clicks comment. Regarding purchasing on eBay, some pretty good deals can be found and thank you for clearing up the misconception on Beatles and other artists which I will include Elvis Presley. Some folks think just because they come across albums by these artists and many others, think that are worth a fortune, which is not always the majority of the time. But then again with the current popularity of vinyl records, people will over price.
Very true!
A lot more fun putting a Vinyl album onto a turntable 7 then making sure you have the stylus in the correct position for playing & then sit down & listen to you album or read all about the artist in comfort.. Especially if your eyes are not being able to read everything on the CD booklet & cover.. But you must enjoy whatever suits you at the time & what mood you are in.. just enjoy what you have.
The biggest key with those super popular vintage records - patience. Stores will price them high because people are, unfortunately, willing to pay for it...but the longer you wait, you will eventually be able to find them for a great (correct!) price!
I tend to mentally write off stores that blatantly overcharge far beyond what market value is.
@@TooManyRecords The market value is for any item is what someone is willing to pay. Overcharge ?
@@scottl6189 The point is that what people are "willing to pay" isn't always aligned with what the going rate is. If a record sells online regularly in VG+ condition for $20, and most stores charge $20, and some stores charge $40, they're gauging for no reason. It's predatory.
I currently have my turntable connected to the Bose Soundbar for the TV via Bluetooth. I know this isn't how you're 'supposed' to listen to vinyl, but with a family to consider, and space available, it's just a matter of compromise (and budget). But honestly, I still think it sounds better than streaming from Spotify. One day I will upgrade and have a 'proper' setup, but for now, Bluetooth is working out fine for me.
So many vinyl is digitally remastered and obfuscated that digital vinyl is outrageously out there. At that rate, you might as well listen to your vinyl over bluetooth speakers because your pressing is likely digitally pressed anyways. Sure if you know for a fact that your album is from an analog tape mastered pressing then yep your not getting what's intended if you do listen over bluetooth. If your turn table has bluetooth and your tv soundbar you bought has bluetooth I say enjoy your music until you can afford to buy a receiver and hook up wired.
All analog recordings CUT analog to vinyl then played back on a good analog system is an experience to behold. Short of that, it seems system and source dependent. It's a slippery slope but anything pressed prior to 79ish is a pretty good bet on a nice analog system. After that, you need to understand the source and the cutting equipment to experience all analog nirvana. Playing killer digital source albums on a great analog system can sound great when your digital front end isn't better than your analog front end. So it's all system and source dependent IMHO. Great digital on a great digital system can come very close to great analog on a great analog rig these days but I haven't experienced it being better when both are available.
Its impossible for your vinyl cut from digital to sound better than digital alone based on pure physics. You didn't state this, but so sick of people using the argument of vinyl being better, even when cut from a digital source. I also have yet to listen to albums I have on vinyl that sound better than digital when they are cut from master tapes. Fleetwood mac rumours, dave matthews band crash, beatles red and blue album. Any album I have before digital existed. They sound thin. I'm running an ortofom 2m black LVB250 on on Rega planar 6, so I have a legit setup. If you think I need a "warmer cart" I'm only losing detail which makes it even worse. Its far from something to behold. It is enjoyable? yes. Will I ever agree vinyl in its best form (usually $100 per album) is better, absolutely not. Bass is less tight, separation is worse, soundstage smaller. You name it, its inferior. Is it a subjective better sound? Sure. On a technical level. Not even close.
@@mikechivy in my case, my vinyl playback system is better than my digital playback system so it sounds better to me regardless of source material. Modern uncompressed high resolution digital files from original masters should definitely sound better when played on a good digital system vs cutting the same file to vinyl as a rule. If the vinyl copy sounds better, that just means that your digital front end is worse than your analog front end right?
@@billa5289 what could you possibly be running that’s worse? I mean Apple Music supports lossless now and a $100 DAC is more than enough.
@@mikechivy sorry but a $100 DAC isn't ever going to sound better than an $10k TT and high end phono preamp that it set up correctly. A P6 with a 2M black MM cart should never sound thin if properly setup unless your cables and/or phono preamp are mismatched or weak. A killer TT matched with a good low output MC cart and high end phono pre will blow away a $100 DAC when set up correctly. You will know it when you experience it done right. It's all good though when it sounds good to you. That's what all this is about after all.
@@billa5289 that’s simply not true, but to each their own. Again. Take an album that’s solely digital. Put it on a 500k turntable. Why on earth would it sound better than a digital source? Cause it’s “warmer” and has more distortion? Because it can pick up every single nuance of the album (which it never will)? Because it colors the album based on your stylus? I’ve listened to countless remasters on digital that simply blow away their vinyl counterpart from the 70’s and 80’s. I don’t imagine we will agree if you’re saying a $100 DAC can’t do the job. It’s bass will always be tighter, separation always better, highs always clearer. Again. You can tell me “listen to this $500 perfect pressing on this 50k setup and tell me that digital is better.” That alone tells you the whole thing is ridiculous. Why does someone need to spend infinitely more to even question which one is “better”
When I started buying albums, they were $3.99. When up to $4.25 and it was a big increase.
I think people put too much thought into albums. Buy the album and enjoy the music.
I remember albums costing $2.57 - $2.97 ( more for stereo ) and then SKYROCKETED to $3.27 - $3.57 !!! Boy I’m old!
"I'm not trying to tell you you're wrong for listening on Bluetooth"
That's exactly what you just did though. More options is always better.
The situation involving vinyl is a little bit different in the uk! For a start repressings sell more because since vinyl came back in about 2012/13ish old copies of credible records by credible bands and artists have sky rocketed, because no one can find old copies of these, and when they do they ask astronomical amounts for these! Whilst before 2011 they had loads that they couldn’t throw at people, to the point that one record shop owner in 2007 was going to pay someone to take his record shop stock away from him, because no one gave a monkeys about it then! So situations changed massively here since then!!!!
Only vinyl gives you the orchestra pit effect. You can't get that from CD which is the wall of sound effect. That's why audiophiles tend to prefer vinyl. Orchestra pit effect is when music sounds like if your sitting in the middle of the orchestra . Just saying true analog sounds best on vinyl no one asks for the analog to be converted to Digital. It's the other way around that's why a good DAC on CD players is a must.
Actually the amazon stock issue may have been your experience but many times Amazon and big box will get larger allotments of a particular album then your local record store.
Bluetooth is not just digital (which isn't a problem) but it's also lossy, which is a big problem!
Prices are based on condition and supply and demand. As more people buy older records, the price will rise
"Better" is subjective. Aesthetic preferences are inarguable. Vinyl is not as *accurate* as digital media but it adds colorations that can sound subjectively better for very good reasons. Groove noise at a low level can create a greater sense of ambience and depth of image. Certain types of distortion during louder passages create an increased sense of harmonic complexity and loudness which can make the sound perceptually more dynamic and life like. With vinyl you can also get oher unique euphonic colorations from particular vinyl playback gear. It isn't just the ritual or the collectability. It is the unique sonic qualities for me. And you willoften find superior masterings on vinyl over any digital version of a given title.
Matt, you don't need to edit a video ever again. You got this :) It was perfect. I honestly can't tell the difference between this and an edited one. Maybe this one was more stressful to record (although if it was, it didn't show) but you come off as a natural speaker and presenter. That acting past really comes in handy. So yeah. Great job. And you saved yourself a ton of time.
I don't have anything to add to the subject. You listed some great misconceptions again.
Thank you!! That's great feedback to hear, and yes, it saved a load of time. It'd be even better if I could use the back facing camera on my iphone, but I don't know how I'd see my framing lol
Vinyl sounds better to me! But technically digital sounds more correct. On top of that records tend to sound worse as time goes by.. Still , I love records and it is the only way which I accept!! The way of the vinyl!
I listen to vinyl with Bluetooth and wired. I did a blind testing with some freinds and we struggled to tell what was Bluetooth or not.
I'm 48 and my love for vinyl has not changed. I support local stores. I used Strummer Room Records for my addiction. Album prices get on my nerves because of the so called “New Market”
The term “limited” is pretty misleading… all physical media is technically limited, depending on the production.
Simple supply and demand 😵💫
Haha I addressed this point in my video the other week, so true.
Correct. Vinyl does not sound “better” than digital. I would say it sounds more “authentic” than digital form. Great video bro. Keep on doing your thing.
Thanks Jumpman!
I am not an audiophile so it’s just my opinion with just on if vinyl sounds “better “. To me, I like the sound better. It sounds more real. Warm. I try to not get into the “collecting “ aspect of record buying. I’m not buying records from people reselling online with inflated prices. Also, if a new release is too much I’ll buy the cd. Even though I prefer vinyl. Oh and I’m all for one take no edits!👍😊
Plus CDs are so much more convenient. But, watching a record spinning is fun. Also a few pops and clicks is fine with me.
IMO, the listening experience is subjective. Listen to whatever sounds best to YOU. Listen to different systems, different sources, etc. but realize that a system is only as good as its weakest link. I invested in a "higher end" (About $5k) analog system years ago and no matter what year the record was released, pressed, etc., it sounds pretty amazing to ME. I don't have a DAC yet so I can't comment on whether CDs and digital music sounds as good. While the hobby is expensive and can be frustrating, it can be quite rewarding with the right mindset. Just have fun and know when to walk away when you aren't. Remember, sometimes, the only way to win is to not play the game. Cheers!
I really wish that I bought more second hand records back in 2006 when I started collecting vinyl as the prices were at rock bottom because people thought that vinyl was done. I bought some second hand records for £3/£4 that now cost over £20 due to the crazy resurgence. Second hand prices have gone through the roof.
How I wish I bought way more records than I did back in 2006 & 2007.
BTW one of the things that makes my blood boil are the people that buy vinyl who don’t even own a turntable. All they are doing is robbing people who actually play & love vinyl of special/limited editions and are pushing the prices up. People like that (who don’t own a turntable and have no plan to buy a turntable) disgust me and make me extremely angry.
......Oh I forgot to mention that record shops and dealers in the uk charged stupid prices for these records in ANY CONDITION! Even if it’s scratched to hell and jumps all over the place!!!!
You can simulate the sound of vinyl digitally, but vinyl can never sound like digital. The advantages of vinyl is lost if its played on a crappy record player. Anything less than the Audio Technica, you might as well be streaming. Good record players are expensive.
To me an album like Revolver (or any Beatles album, presumably other 60s artists) will always sound infinitely more satisfying on vinyl than CD. The pops and crackles are part of it, and the warm sound seems to have a healing quality. It's obviously an objective drop in fidelity but there's something magical about the way it connects with you (and at the end of the day if it sounds better subjectively can that not be called better fidelity?) A decent setup is essential in both cases of course. I used to listen to the Beatles on my mum's old radiogram from the early 70s. The thing was a work of art in itself.
Also, notice how popular it is these days to drop out the eq above 2kHz to mimic the analogue warmth.
CD. People who prefer CD don't hear a differance because they don't have a trained ear, like musicians for exhample.
If I had any beatles albums they would be impossible to play on a turntable as I would use them for target practice, the beatles were nothing but a mediocre pop band and not some gods of ock music.
My problem with vinyl is mainly the bass. I find it lacks definition on vinyl and sounds wooden and clunky. With the right CD system set up you can get a sound as warm as vinyl. I don't really care about the 'ritual' of collecting vinyl and listening to vinyl. I just care about the most faithful reproduction. After saying this, I do still listen to vinyl but it's always refreshing to go back to CD.
thank you for telling the truth about compact discs & streaming in relation to vinyl.🙏
I’m thinking about selling records from my collection and the pricing is a bit confusing ? How do you find the closed prices online besides comparing with others selling on eBay or discogs? I wish someone would make a yearly price guidebook, like they have been for comic books since the 70’s. Have a standardized price point to work from would be nice!
Oh and I was talking about pricing of originals and not the reissues, but having both would be great.
Complete B.S. that highly sought after discs from groups like Led Zep, Beatles, Pink Floyd, M. Jackson are plentiful and easy to come by. I've been buying and selling for over 10 years and rarely find these available at Thrift Stores, Yard Sales, Swap Meets etc. When I do find them, if in decent condition, I put them at prices near the $20.00 range. It's called "Supply and Demand".
I don't really understand the bluetooth argument unless you are talking about the audio fidelity, because even if you use bluetooth speakers the audio is still coming from an analog format so it would sound just about the same.
Everything I bought in the 1970’s and I’ve been buying vinyl for 50 years is really not worth a lot of money 💰 these days. But, I don’t buy something to resell it anyway. Probably the most expensive record I own is Madonna Celebration 4LP set from 2009 which is pretty worth $700.00 plus dollars 💵. But that’s about it. And, I have a huge record collection.
Each format has misconceptions. Each format has its advantages and disadvantages. If you want the technical characteristics of a live performance venue (Zero Harmonic Distortion, Zero Wow and Flutter, Zero Contact Noise, Zero Conversion Loss, Zero Coloration, Maximum Dynamic Range, 100% Signal to 0% Noise Ratio, etc) then CDs and digital are definitely the way to go. If you want the detailed organic sound characteristics of instruments [(Tone, Timbre, Vibration and overall sound envelop (ADSR)] then vinyl and analog is the way to go. Saying one is unanimously better than the other is like telling someone which cuisine tastes best to them. It's pointless.
tbh, i only buy vinyls of old albums like pink floyd, beatles, led zeppelin, david bowie (mostly new press). only for 1 reason. if u put in an cd, it will run all the way trought without any pauses etc, thats great, but if u take The dark side of the moon or abbey road, its meant to stop right there in the 5th song maybe and then u gotta turn the vinyl around to the other side, then it starts with another song. it is meant to be that way, and its perfect in some albums when it stops and u gotta turn it around. u are right with the pink floyd beatles , Mj stuff. there are milliones of that albums and u can easliy pay too much. but its all about the british press, 1 UK press. whole world are fighting for the british stuff, and as a norwegian i couldnt care if its a danish, ggermany, american, spanish, italian etc press, i gotta go for the UK if im buying some old vinyls. 200 nations fighting for that speceficc country, UK
the information about paypal is very good , some don´t know about it or if there´s any rights as a buyer
I’ve never bought a MoFi record ever. Because, they don’t have the music 🎼 I like to listen to. I also miss the dollar 💵 record days of a few years ago. I’ve completed many of my artist collections by buying very good quality dollar records. Yes, it’s this new everyone is into vinyl that has a lot to do with it I believe. 😊😊😊
Much prefer this straight up style, presented as opinion 👏👏👏
I was a big vinyl almost 'hater' as all the hipsters were/are into it. Put me off it. Never been a 'fashion victim', most spend £30 on records to play on a Crossley. Crap. However...if you have a great record deck, pre-amp and a great system then vinyl sounds amazing. I'm talking 'great' as in a deck that cost £1k back in the day, been serviced etc., with the right set-up and cart. Is it better than CD, cassette etc? Depends what your equipment can do and what you prefer. There are differences, just depends what your ears like. A phono set-up done properly cost a hell of alot more than any other medium.
You can also listen to records with headphones via bluetooth.
I have a Bluetooth turntable and I'm happy with the quality of it. I don't need audio quality sound. I'm just happy to have the experience of the artwork and the physical object.
And that's well within your rights!! Some people don't care about sound (although in that case I'd just stream and buy the records to look at the art, but to each their own)
@Too Many Records I don't need audiophile sound just something that sounds slightly better than digital. I notice a little difference compared to the digital versions.
@@sethmishne Placebo effect, because it IS digital lol
Great video
Thanks Egg
Do you notice significant imperfections with vinyl that are stored in paper or picture sleeves? I just prefer the look of the stock sleeves and don’t want do buy replacement sleeves every time. Im asking because I don’t yet have a turntable and just bought some records I like, so I couldn’t test the difference. I would appreciate a response.
Probably not..it's easier to have micro abrasions when pulling it out of a non ricepaper lined sleeve, as you can imagine, but for most people they're probably fine. I'd throw anything valuable into a ricepaper inner though.
Vinyl isn't an analogue source, it's all digitally recorded and mastered now, and even the acetate cutting lathe uses a digital music signal feed. Digital mastering came into use for some vinyl in the late 70s. You really may as well use bluetooth, because you are basically just listening to a big CD, except with the all of the limitations of the vinyl medium. You may as well just stream it.
@MF Nickster Some of them say the imperfections of vinyl are what make the sound real. As if the sound coming off of a physical medium means it is more real.
My one experience, preordered a Motörhead record, actually got it 2 weeks prior to what I was supposed to.
Vinyl and digital music is also only going to be as good sound wise as the amp and speakers it’s being played through. A cd or record doesn’t magically sound good on a crap sound system
CD will sound like crap on even the best stereo system.
Crackle, pops and clicks are definitely not ever what a true vinyl enthusiast looks for. Only newbs are the ones that think that’s why vinyl sounds warmer….
I like both video styles. Thanks!
Plus, there is no such thing as a mini haul lol
Merchbar may not be a big box store. But, I’ve been waiting for a order since June and I still haven’t gotten it yet. Well, half of my order I should say. I could of went to a local independent record store and had it by now. I’m very disappointed 😢. And, I’ve ordered from them many times over the years and never had a problem. I wonder 💭 what happened?
If you order a record that says "Backordered" (which many of them do) - there's no guarantee it'll ever ship. Pretty sneaky of them and I'm not a fan.
In this days, vinyls are not analog.... They all are recorded from digital master records....
A good straight forward no nonsense common sense practical guide. I bought my first record aged 10 in 1971. I bought my last vinyl record in 1989. I stopped listening to vinyl around 1999. My vinyl collection was stored in the attic. Last year I decided to reactivate my collection and bought a Technics 1500 turntable- a decent piece of kit. I have no intention of buying any new vinyl but to just occasionally listen to one of the 2000+ 45/33/12inch records in my collection. While doing my research to select the most suitable turntable I discovered so many channels on YT focussing on vinyl and turntables. I discovered some truly. horrendous videos encouraging folks to melt their treasured collection in a domestic oven to take out serious warps- slathering them with WD40, PVA glue, washing up liquid and other ridiculous quack schemes. The worst has to be the extortionately priced record cleaning machines some selling for over $1000!!!! Really? The name of one just sets my teeth on edge- De Gritter. I see guys attempting to clean records that look like they've been reversed over in a farm yard. How on earth does anyone justify such costs or even attempt to clean records so badly market and in such poor condition and then place on a turntable expecting even reasonable sound quality? Has the world gone mad over the past 25 years? Hearing folks refer to VINYLS has to be the final thing that sent me over the edge. Then we have the "format wars" Vinyl vs CD vs SACD vs Hi Res streaming. I was encouraged to hear your common sense response at the beginning of this video. The most important links in the chain are THE SOURCE- just how good is the recording and mastering of the disc (in whatever format you chose) and of course the kit you play the disc on. I hear that many folks simply buy vinyl as an investment with no intention to ever play the record. It might be worthwhile reminding them of the great Tulip crash , the rush to invest in new railways and wooden turnpikes during the 19th century and of course the current fashion to invest in crypto... watch this space. History has a tendency to repeat itself!
Thank you for the tips! A lot of new info, I needed to know. *Pre order tip….Cheers!
Always glad to be of service
I just can’t fathom paying $400+ for rare hip hop records when I can get them on CD for WAY cheaper. Still pricy but the collectibility factor is still there. (FLYGOD, GRISELDA GHOST, TANA TALK 3, etc)
The preorder thing is 100% true…really annoying
When I started to collect records in the mid 90’s big reason why under ground punk rock at the time were only putting out their stuff on record. You’re not going to find a lot of 7” that that I have b/c there only 200 or 300 pressed 20 or more years bands broke up only put out that one not worth much to you but I remember being at the shows them opening up for bigger band or basement shows. I was there a part of that I seen white stripes play a little club picked up the 7 inchs of the band opening for them and theirs.
Consumer laws can be very different in different countries. We're not all in the US....