What if the Solar System started with 11 Planets? - Simulation - (Universe Sandbox)
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- This is a hypothetical scenario showing what could occur if the solar system started with 6 Giant planets and 5 Terrestrial planets, in where they survived to the Late Heavy Bombardment, ~4.1 billion years ago. This is the 6 Gas Giant theory in conjunction with the Planet V hypothesis.
It starts off just as Neptune is about to cross the orbit of Uranus and migrate outwards. The 5th giant conversely, was interacting and being severely affected by the gravitational influence of Saturn, migrating inwards and eventually crossing orbits. This is when the simulation starts. The additional planets added are 2 Ice Giants with 10 Earth masses and "Planet V", with a mass 1/4 that of Mars (0.0268 Earth masses). This simulation also gives a hint for what the future of Earth might be.
The orbit order is measured by Semi-major axis, not by it's Aphelion (furthest distance). If an orbit disappears at any point, it is because of a close planetary encounter. Any change in the simulation speed has been highlighted in the video.
CORRECTIONS:
None as of 2/1/21.
Software:
Universe Sandbox
(NOTE: Universe Sandbox 1 is now known as "Universe Sandbox Legacy", while Universe Sandbox 2 is now just known as "Universe Sandbox")
universesandbox.com/
References/Sources:
Planet V Hypothesis en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Planet_V
Jumping-Jupiter Scenario en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jumping...
Nice Model en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nice_model
Five-planet Nice model en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Five-pl...
Late Heavy Bombardment en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Late_He...
"A New Dynamical Model for the Lunar Late Heavy Bombardment" (Chambers and Lissauer, 2002): www.lpi.usra.edu/meetings/lps...
"The terrestrial Planet V hypothesis as the mechanism for the origin of the late heavy bombardment" (Brasser and Morbidelli, 2011): ui.adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/201...
"Statistical Study of the Early Solar System's Instability with 4, 5 and 6 Giant Planets (Nesvorny et al. 2016)" arxiv.org/abs/1208.2957
Runaway Greenhouse Effect en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Runaway...
Music:
Spirit of Fire - Jesse Gallagher (April 2020) - Věda a technologie
And let’s not forget that in real life, giant 5 ejected itself to stablilise the system. Respect!
I miss 6th and 5th
Planets are not sentient
@@Air-nj9xlTell that to SolarBalls 😂
@@Minionbanana27solarballs is a cartoon
@@TheDaneTV learn to take a joke
Next, What if Theia never collided with Earth
@Bryant Maverick bot
@Ridge Roy and bot
I know theia known as 10th planet in beetween earth and mars
@@loser731 OMG, LOSER! SWRIFCKCKSUQJSKCKGBWDJVNXSIXNCNDJDJDDID8QIJVJEHQJXIGILOSER KQJSKXKXDKD
It's impossible
Their close to eachothers orbit
Were gonna have to move
4:55 6TH GIANT IS BREAKING NEW RECORDS!!!!!
the 6th gas giant's orbit is CRAZY
So Earth is now Venus
and Venus is now Earth
thats accurate.
Sometimes in the summer, I feel as if I were on Mercury.
This makes me wonder what life would look like there.
@@abxyabxy281 Despite Mercury being closer to the sun, venus is the hottest planet in the solar system!
Another interesting simulation. This would suggest that a 6th giant is not compatible with today's configuration, but of course in science we can't draw a conclusion from just one simulation.
I experimented with this and my maximum appears to be 230 years/second. I decided to run the Solar System as it is today for 1 million years, and some... interesting things happened. I derived orbital periods, eccentricities etc. to as much accuracy as I could find on the internet. Over time, most of the planets saw a drop in eccentricity and inclination until it hit some sort of equilibrium, but Uranus and Neptune seem to have unstable orbits. Uranus is becoming increasingly eccentric and is getting closer to Saturn (within around 2 AU as opposed to today's ~10 AU), while Neptune's perihelion _and_ apehelion are increasing. I assume that eventually Uranus will interact with Saturn and Neptune, possibly leading to the ejection of one or both. Of course, I'm aware this isn't accurate to reality and the outer Solar System isn't on the brink of collapse after 4 billion years of apparent stability. Unfortunately US can't fully simulate N-body problems to 100% accuracy, and it can't seem to calculate resonances. However, perhaps we could draw the conclusion that the Ice Giant's orbits are the least stable of the planetary Solar System, and maybe over the timescale of hundreds of millions of years, their orbits are unstable and could have a chance of significantly changing, perhaps so much so that Uranus does interact with Saturn and Neptune in the distant future. By that point though, Earth will have undergone so many changes independent of other planets that the possibility of instability in the outer Solar System leading to Uranus or Neptune entering the inner Solar System is not something we should worry about.
It’s just a “What If” scenario. Would have been cool though.
How long did this take?
Did it ake around 72 hours
Just imagine planet V is thiea just farther away
NIce video! :)
6th Giant: Hey guys I’m going on vacation! I’ll come back soon!
Hasn’t came in 3.8B Years
*Last Online 3.8B Years Ago*
*6th Giant: died 3.8B years ago*
Remember ur rival J1407B
@@tobygreen6950 DONT
@@zZeimos time to go rage mode I guess
Finally somebody who knows that they used to be 6 giants and there wasn’t only five
..bud
the sixth giant didnt exist
only fifth
@@joeljoeljoeljoeljoeljoel2I thought the 5th giant was the one that got ejected and the 6th giant was Planet 9
@@joeljoeljoeljoeljoeljoel2google “what happened to the 6th gas giant”
Very cool! If you want, make simulation with like 7 or even 8 gas giants
that would make it very unstable.
@@Mbiaal 100
just maybe if all masses are around 6 earths, (mini gas giants) that would work
Now imagine 10 more ice giants.
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My thought of the sixth giant is it formed behind Neptune and Neptune moving outwards ejecting it following with a encounter with Neptune
Happy new year
Next: What if the solar system started with 3 gas giant or What if the ss started with 6 rocky planets
Good idea!
What if history of solar system when
There are 6rocky planets in inner
5 Giants more realistic.
@@bladerbrawlers Mercury, Venus, Earth, Theia, Mars, Planet V
instablaster...
That Is When Jupiter Can't Be A Bitch
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This video is iteresting
Im new subcriber
4:18 Maybe 6th giant could be ejected to the far reaches
4:26 Maybe not
4:38 Nevermind.....
5:46 okay it's time for the fifth giant
5:49 yup 6th giant got ejected
6:03 Well maybe the same thing with theia and earth could happen to Uranus and Neptune
7:41 everything looking pretty stable
7:54 nevermind
8:31 NOW everything's looking stable
Can you do simulation of next 3 Byrs?
Mercury and inner Planet unstable please
That's probably not something US can replicate. Mercury's potential instability in the future is due to a complex interaction with the other terrestrial planets and Jupiter. US is not that good with calculating Mercury's orbit accurately, as in any long-term simulations it incorrectly circularises while the inclination violently precesses. Plus, the timescales required for this scenario really aren't feasible for a US simulation; if Mercury's orbit does indeed become so eccentric as to wander into Venus' orbit in a few billion years, which is only around a 1% chance, it will still take tens or hundreds of millions of simulated years for this to start affecting the rest of the inner Solar System and causing large orbital disruptions. US2 will normally cap out at about 250 years/second simulation speed despite computer hardware with the Solar System.
4:50 6th Giant Broke The Laws Of Physics
I love how 1:13 starts the Grand Tack Model
5th giant: I will just explore the system with planet V
1 sec later: both planets: bye
Next: What if Jupiter was an exoplanet or What if the sun was big and have more planets
The 5th planet is a troublemaker
How about you add "cameras" so that we know what the planets would look like in the simulation at a given moment?
We need a side camera wich shows us inclanation of planets
Universe Sandbox doesn't have the option to have additional views while in cinematic mode. I tried looking for a workaround, perhaps recording their looks separately, but the views given in the software are very inaccurate when placed at the high simulation speeds that is run for these videos (Showing Earth to have rapid ice ages while at 50°C, 5th Giant still showing to receive light in 3D while ejected, 2D views dimming to pitch black the further out the camera is zoomed etc.). I also can't show inclination and the orbital views simultaneously, unless I pause it to show it every now and then, but to me at least, that would ruin the flow of the simulation.
So I don't think this is realistically possible. I would if I could, but thanks for the ideas anyway.
@@PersonyPerson oh ok
@@PersonyPerson I’m just asking but I don’t suppose there’s anyway to determine the AU’s of the ones that finally got ejected or the ridiculously looooong orbits? That stuff is interesting:)
5th Giant is still dancing.
The hypothetical planet on solar system is planet V 5thgiant 6th giant planet 9 tyche. The inner hypothetical planet: planet V 5th and 6thgiant
The outer hypothetical planet planet 9 and tyche.
Saturn and 5th : I WANNA BE IN FRONT OF YOU!
You should show us what planet v looked like
Wow subrang ganda
KoD, Can you make the solar system with 12 planet., Basically this scenario, but with Theia.
MY IDEAS FOR NEW CONTENT:
Ss means Solar System
What if Jupiter was ejected from the ss
What if Jupiter was X times bigger (es. 3 Times,4,5 ecc...)
What if the ss started with 6 rocky planets or 3 gas giant
What if the ss started with 7 gas giant
What if Theia never collided with earth (it would eject earth i think but i am not sure)
What if Pluto was bigger as Neptune
What if Fifth Giant was never ejected by the ss
Why did you edit that comment
What would a simulation look like with a majority of the hypothetical planets such as the proposed super earth that used to be inside the orbit of mercury, theia, planet V, and I also heard people said there could have been as much as 3 extra ice giants that got ejected?
Proposed super earth inside mercuries orbit? That sounds interesting, can you link the paper?
@@deltainfinium869 I don't remember where I read since this comment is five months old but I think it was a proposed reason of why inside of mercury's orbit there is very little material and the planet cleared the debris but was somehow destroyed. I don't know how true it is but I found it interesting.
Watched an episode of “How the Universe works” concerning this exact theory..
@@ultimatenigel368 i was vaieirk
Rocky planets + Planet V: Idle planets that sometimes get ejected
5th and 6th Giants: The giants that cause mischeif
Jupiter and Saturn: The strong dudes
Uranus and Neptune: The ones that like changing positions
So that would mean we could evolve on Venus and ask ourselfs why the Earth become a boiling hell?
Next: what if all stars explode?
Perhaps show the orbital plane now and again.
Mercury: just chillin'
Venus: stable
Earth: Also stable
Mars: Also stable
Jupiter: Also stable
Saturn: Stable?
5th Giant: Just wanna destroy everything blblblbbll
Uranus: chillin'
Neptune: IDK
6th Giant: A sad loss indeed
Planet V: IDK?
can you add some dwarf planets in these simulations? i wanna know what would happen to them with so much elliptic gas giant orbits
They weren’t around when this happened
@@zZeimos You're telling me they just showed up in existence in 10 BC
@@zZeimos Yes they were. They formed at the same time as everything else. If anything there were significantly more around at this time.
They would be perturbed and ejected to varying degrees. It is predicted that the Kuiper Belt was originally several times thicker and contained maybe 30 Pluto-mass dwarf planets, which were all destroyed or ejected aside from Pluto itself (and any other undiscovered dwarf planets in Kuiper) during Neptune's migration. One such binary dwarf planet system is hypothesised to have been captured by Neptune, with the less massive partner being ejected and the more massive partner being captured into a retrograde orbit around the planet. This dwarf planet went on to become the present day moon Triton. While it would be cool to see dwarf planets being flung around everywhere, it would just slow the simulation speed down and reduce the overall accuracy of the scenario.
Do you don't think saturn and 5th giant in orbit order
Seeing "5th Giant, 6th Giant, and "Planet V" sticks out like a sore thumb.
In the order of the Sun: Vulcano, Venus, Earth, Theia, Mars, Mercury, Vesta, Ceres, Jupiter, Saturn, Neptune, Uranus, 5th Giant and Pluto
Poor 5th giant and 6th giant going so crazy because the gravity of the other planet keep pulling him
So why does the 5th giant keep ending up in such a radical orbit, looks something like a 15 to 20 thousand yr orbit but it looks like it always comes ‘back’ to the solar system before it gets ejected…what is or was the reason it got ejected??
5:05 6th giant tho
I want to do these kinds of simulations but idk how :(( how do you do it?
Its called "Universe Sandbox 2" you should bought this in steam, its really fun to play with.
@@hilltain2198 yeah, but how does he speed it up by 500 years?
@@novafal idk maybe he has a beefy computer or something that makes the simulation boosting up the performance?
@@hilltain2198 aight..ty anyways, I'll figure it myself
@@novafal He explained in the comments of another video that his maximum is 230 years/second, and he speeds up the recording during editing.
This is what i've been finding after 4 months
What of 6th Giant was Planet Nine? 😶
Oh gawd
If the solar system started if 6 extra giants and 2 extra rocky planets and planet 10 dwarf planet
What if the solar system had a super jupiter (7-22jupiter masses?)
fifth giant and saturn dancing
the solar system is in chaos xd
What if Solar System start as 15 planets
1. Hit collide Bigger Mercury
2.2Mars sized object that collide Venus
3.Theia
4.Planet V Borealis
5.5Th Giants
6.6Giant
El proximo podrias solo ordenar los planetas inferiores
Theia is a planet that collide with earth in beetween earth and mars
What the NUKE happened 6th giant orbit
Actually, i know 4 extra planets: planet 9, planet 10, 5th giant, and even pluto! (before 2006)
7:07 even knowing im so fking late but earth and venus swaps positions
Where tf is pluto
if pluto was a planet
5 giant is crazy😂
5th giant stealing orbit
Theia: Where am I?
I got your answer! Planet V will be Theia and Planet 9 and Planet X!
Planet nine : hehe who this things bet Earth: oo Sun: ok im out i need an star :( Planet nine: i can survive lol Sun: WHAT ARE YOU SERIUS PLANET NINE I WILL EXPLODE YOU TOMOROW Planet nine: ahhhhhhhhhhh OOF
What records?
What if we can live on Mars?
What happen to 5th gaint-
Why 5th Giant orbit so...
The solar system even started with 14 planets
5th giant why are you orbit around.
7:07 Buh-bye life on Earth.
tf is 5th giant doing
Is it possible to make a simulation where you get a hot jupiter world developing from the outer system?
If so i'd like to see a simulation in which a hot jupiter is added that intentionally migrates extremely close to the sun
Also can you upload the file for the early solar system onto the workshop and give a link?
Another suggestion if the hot jupiter one is too difficult: Add a super-earth to the solar system in planet V's location.
Jupiter & Saturn : Bye 6th Gas Giant. *u next*
Theia left the chat
The solar system already has 10 planets cant yall stop with the more planets stuff
purple sus *purple gets ejected from the solar system*
If thiea never collided with Earth we would never have a moon
Oh no
what progam do you use?
Universe Sandbox 2 its on steam
how about mobile
It isn't on mobile
What keeps happening to 6th giant god it turns ded planet
Wait, isn't Planet V Suppose to be Theia?
Not really
Planet V is a completely different object to Theia. See en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Planet_V and other sources in the description for more details.
@@PersonyPerson Ok now I understand
What about a 12 planet simulation, which includes Theia, Planet V, 5th Giant and 6th Giant just for fun?
Where theia
What if the Solar System started with 14 Planets????
this is i ask for
would it be too hard to keep track? for example in the last video he had to zoom out and zoom in repeatedly
@@kimmalyncleaveway2907 I agree maybe add 2 cameras
Planet V=Theia
planet v
5th giant
6th giant
That's why if you were a planet, you shouldn't share orbits with another planet
Game?
@baby Jupiter ok
Universe, sandbox😊
@@titanicbigship oh I’m on iPad and phone
Theia the planet left the system
6th Giant, Noooo!
It same as my System but it more stable than this lool
isnt planet v theia
Venus dan erath
Jupiter: 🗿
5th giant: 😭 ↙️⏩️↗️⬅️⬇️⬅️↘️↙️⏫️↪️◀️↪️🔄↪️🔄🔃⏺️↙️◀️↖️⬆️
6th giant: 😭 ⤵️↗️↖️⬅️↙️➡️↩️↪️🔄🔃➡️↘️⬅️➡️
irk
request what if solar system started with 5 planets? and tell to me pls or i will cry
orbit order
uranus
neptune
jupiter
earth
mercury
happens:
uranus will filp tlit in 4.2 billion years ago
neptune's dark blue spot almost gets winded in 2003
jupiter red spot fromed in 1540 and rings fromed in 4.44 billion years ago
earth temperature will reach 6C
mercury will be hot of 42C in 1.78 billion years it will cause greenhouse effect
hyptothetichal planets orbit order:
thiea
5th giant
6th giant
mercury
venus
earth
mars
Mercury
Earth
Venus
Mars
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