The UNKNOWN Planet Between Mars and Jupiter | Phaeton

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  • čas přidán 17. 08. 2023
  • Is there a missing planet between Mars and Jupiter? Over the years astronomers have been on the hunt for new giant worlds hiding in the shadows of our solar system. Such as the hypothetical Vulcan or Planet Nine. But there was another case where scientists did actually discover an object, that eventually led to the solar system having eleven major planets! This is the fascinating story of the Phaeton planet, the world that was discovered, destroyed and then forgotten.
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  • @V101SPACE
    @V101SPACE  Před 8 měsíci +11

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  • @militantpacifist4087
    @militantpacifist4087 Před 10 měsíci +474

    Ganymede would actually be classified as a Planet if it were orbiting the Sun rather than Jupiter.

    • @twelved4983
      @twelved4983 Před 10 měsíci +39

      Would not any moon that’s spherical and have cleared its orbital field?

    • @twelved4983
      @twelved4983 Před 10 měsíci +39

      @@mikeycrackson yes, but there’s nothing saying Mercury is the “minimum size” of a planet. I’m saying that any moon (not just Ganymede) that’s put into the same position as Ganymede (orbiting Sol, clear orbital field, and completely spherical due to gravity) would also be able to be classified as a planet. The fact that Ganymede is bigger than Mercury does not make it a planet itself, but rather the criteria I listed above.
      Europa could be a planet if it has those criteria, alongside Callisto and Io. Miranda too, Iapetus, Triton, and more. That’s what I’m saying.
      Other moons like Carme, Amalthea, Metis, Kerberos, etc. wouldn’t be planets if they orbited Sol and had a clear orbital path since they’re not spherical by gravity.

    • @duncangreen2483
      @duncangreen2483 Před 10 měsíci +19

      Ganymedenly is the only moon with a magnetic field. My favourite moon. Shame Phaeton isn't real. Would have been awesome to expand the Solar System. Perhaps we could finally give 2002 MS4 a name. Phaeton would be a good start, to keep the name alive, even though this potential dwarf planet is nowhere near the asteroid belt.

    • @michaelhorning6014
      @michaelhorning6014 Před 10 měsíci +8

      Is it Ceres' fault it's stuck in the asteroid belt?

    • @twelved4983
      @twelved4983 Před 10 měsíci +23

      @@mikeycrackson the only three criteria for something to be considered a planet is:
      1. It must orbit the sun
      2. It must have a spherical shape from its own gravity
      3. It must have its “orbital neighborhood” clear
      Pluto and Ceres do not have their orbital neighborhoods cleared, which is why they’re now considered dwarf planets. The only way size works into here is the minimum size a celestial body can be before it can round itself out into a spherical shape, which is a whole lotta physics that I don’t know or care for lol.
      The point I’ve been trying to make all along is that the definition of a planet itself does NOT inherently depend on the size of the object.
      If there was a celestial body orbiting the sun, that was also round, and also had its orbital neighborhood cleared, but was also smaller than Mercury, that body would still be considered a planet regardless. Size don’t matter in the definition.

  • @malcolmabram2957
    @malcolmabram2957 Před 10 měsíci +187

    The position of Neptune was predicted by the mathematician Urbain Le Verrier. He used 17 differential equations on the orbital perturbations of Uranus and Saturn. He announced his prediction in August 1846. Shortly after in September, the astronomer Johann Galle looked in a telescope where Neptune was predicted to be, and he found it.

    • @Noitisnt-ns7mo
      @Noitisnt-ns7mo Před 9 měsíci +10

      Science has been advanced for quite some time.

    • @bowonetpreneur894
      @bowonetpreneur894 Před 9 měsíci +5

      Sorcery!!!

    • @persephone342
      @persephone342 Před 7 měsíci +5

      Math!

    • @retrayal4642
      @retrayal4642 Před 4 měsíci

      And what prerequisites was his formulas and equations based off of, good luck proving without an appeal to authority

    • @malcolmabram2957
      @malcolmabram2957 Před 4 měsíci

      @@retrayal4642 Try researching the internet. Also I was taught this at school. Moreover, to what authority do you appeal in replying to my comment? Furthermore your inebriate judgement applies to 99% of comments.

  • @aradondarmelious5819
    @aradondarmelious5819 Před 9 měsíci +31

    I always known it as Tiamat and the asteroid belt known as the hammerd bracelet, is actually the remnants approximately 1/3rd of Tiamat

    • @generalg.b.mcclellan3079
      @generalg.b.mcclellan3079 Před 4 měsíci +2

      And the other 2/3rds are now known as the planet Mercury, the Moon and the meteorites of the 'late heavy bombardment' from 4 billion years ago.

    • @Ram-1231
      @Ram-1231 Před 4 měsíci

      ​@@generalg.b.mcclellan3079Tiamat hit planet hit earth.

    • @GGE415
      @GGE415 Před 3 měsíci

      I was just about to ask this!❤

  • @ravenlord4
    @ravenlord4 Před 10 měsíci +95

    The parallel between the reclassification of Ceres and that of Pluto is very educational. I wonder how many people in the 1800's proclaimed that "Ceres will always be a planet" in their heart, no matter what the astronomers say ;)

    • @davidhess6593
      @davidhess6593 Před 10 měsíci +8

      Pluto is a hell of a lot bigger than Ceres, dude!

    • @ravenlord4
      @ravenlord4 Před 10 měsíci +19

      @@davidhess6593 Ceres is large enough to be in hydrostatic equilibrium. That's the only size that matters, dude! ;)

    • @LimeyLassen
      @LimeyLassen Před 10 měsíci +12

      Dwarf planets are the cool kids' club anyway.

    • @zimriel
      @zimriel Před 10 měsíci

      Pluto is only called a planet by American boomers lol
      Old MURKKINZ dearly want something to be proud of, now that only 16% of their own grandkids are still patriotic

    • @dwightglean9220
      @dwightglean9220 Před 9 měsíci +2

      pluto's in my heart even though i was in 2016 and not 1800

  • @KingBritish
    @KingBritish Před 10 měsíci +70

    Glad your channel isn't one of them AI clickbait space channels with sensational video titles and thumbnails Rob. Been watching for years now. Great content 👍🏻

  • @theadventuresofbrockinthai4325
    @theadventuresofbrockinthai4325 Před 9 měsíci +20

    I have always believed that the asteroid belt was many millions of years ago a planet. This planet was destroyed, by what I don't know, but a large amount of it was thrown out and became asteroids, with most of it being swallowed by Jupiter but the parts that were sent inward hit Mars and Earth. Only a small portion of the planet stayed in orbit in place of the once planets' original orbit.
    Am I right? I don't know, but if so, it would answer a lot of questions.

    • @nuwberian732
      @nuwberian732 Před 9 měsíci

      It was the planet maldek(vulcan) that was (accidentally) destroyed by Nibiru a planet ship 5times the size of earth that entered this solar system. Maldek was a water planet with life on it. The inhabitants were reptoids. This true story became science fiction Star Trek and Marvel comics Submariner. It was recorded history in Mesopotamia Sumerian text.

    • @signalfire6691
      @signalfire6691 Před 7 měsíci +1

      Read John Brandenburg's books about Mars having evidence of a massive nuclear attack.

  • @Scripticus
    @Scripticus Před 10 měsíci +26

    This is described in a book by Lou Baldin, MARS AND THE LOST PLANET MAN. It amazes me that astronomers try to estimate the size of Planet Man by the volume of the remaining rubble. Much of its original content was likely consumed by the vacuum cleaner of the solar system, Jupiter.

    • @MartinMwanjawanthu-dj3fw
      @MartinMwanjawanthu-dj3fw Před 8 měsíci

      Why keple b planet is not ur halaxy

    • @mysterbear
      @mysterbear Před 4 měsíci +1

      Yup. Good point.

    • @wixygo
      @wixygo Před 3 měsíci

      Exactly. If it exploded, especially internally, it would've been blown in every direction outside of it's orbital path. That there are bits of it remaining within the path that represents the "belt" does nothing to disprove it's possibility of existence. Not to mention they KNOW that several of these asteroids have been observed to have a gravitational pull with each other whereas they've been observed literally orbiting around themselves. That's the kind of things only elements of a planet would exemplify

  • @nethri0
    @nethri0 Před 7 měsíci +4

    When Phaeton exploded, chunks went everywhere. One chunk in particular hit earth causing a mass extinction.

  • @AifDaimon
    @AifDaimon Před 10 měsíci +105

    Looks like I'm not the only one who's always wondered if the asteroid belt actually comprised of the remnants of a destroyed planet between Mars & Jupiter

    • @jonnyjackson6050
      @jonnyjackson6050 Před 9 měsíci +7

      The combined mass of the asteroid belt is just 4% of the moon.

    • @AifDaimon
      @AifDaimon Před 9 měsíci +18

      @@jonnyjackson6050 the other 96% could've crashed into other celestial objects

    • @jonnyjackson6050
      @jonnyjackson6050 Před 9 měsíci +2

      @@AifDaimon it could've been nicked by ET too.
      All that's there is a mass 4% of the moon.

    • @lancerevell5979
      @lancerevell5979 Před 9 měsíci +8

      Scooped up by Jupiter during it's Grand Tack.

    • @sheilakirby5616
      @sheilakirby5616 Před 9 měsíci

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  • @itsalexney
    @itsalexney Před 9 měsíci +18

    Who’s to say the collision wasn’t so powerful that a lot of the mass got ejected out before being caught back into a steady rotation? 🤷🏼

    • @dennisanderson3895
      @dennisanderson3895 Před 8 měsíci +1

      Y'see, I say never mind time travel, PSHAW! Try developing time *viewing* so history all through time may be observed - ending so many debates, to the dismay of scientists' book agents - and let's SEE it.

  • @Clone683
    @Clone683 Před 10 měsíci +45

    This makes you wonder if the asteroid belt was in fact that planet and for whatever reason it blew up

    • @illustriouschin
      @illustriouschin Před 10 měsíci +4

      I always thought that as a kid but I think there's nowhere near enough mass and the orbits would be more chaotic. Maybe geologists could correlate the asteroids with bombardments on Earth.

    • @Timberwolf69
      @Timberwolf69 Před 10 měsíci +8

      @@illustriouschin I was thinking about a theory about the formation of our moon. According to this, an object about the size of the moon crashed into earth. What if that object was the biggest chunk of that destroyed planet?

    • @mattbatesteacher
      @mattbatesteacher Před 10 měsíci

      Not nearly enough mass there

    • @jerryrose2083
      @jerryrose2083 Před 10 měsíci

      @@Timberwolf69, I think that theory involved a collision of the earth and a planet about the size of Mars.

    • @Timberwolf69
      @Timberwolf69 Před 10 měsíci

      Possibly. My memory is a little hzay about the details.

  • @occamsrayzor
    @occamsrayzor Před 10 měsíci +103

    I sometimes wonder if the asteroid belt is the remnants of an early planet that had a highly elliptical orbit, shattered by too close an approach to Jupiter, with the largest remaining part striking primordial Earth and creating our Moon. That body, largely accepted by the scientific community was dubbed Thea.

    • @frenchfriar
      @frenchfriar Před 10 měsíci +18

      I actually saw one theory that sort of combined the Phaeton-Thea ideas to give a reasonably-sized fifth planet.
      Add Thea to the rest of the asteroid belt, and you're adding the mass of a Mars-sized object, which gives a decent planet or even planet and satellites.
      The theory basically had Jupiter's gravity manage to pull Thea out of orbit, leaving the rest of the asteroid belt material behind, they suggested two moons which collided and formed the bodies we see today.
      Thea then eventually hit the proto-Earth, forming the Earth and Moon as they exist today.
      If I'm not mistaken, they even blamed Venus' odd rotation on interactions with Thea before it hit Earth.
      It was fascinating, but I've no idea how likely or the probable it was.

    • @gglenn7920
      @gglenn7920 Před 10 měsíci +9

      The moon was formed when another planet hit the first earth. That is why it orbits as if it was part of this planet, with one side always facing us.

    • @alvermillioncranky8360
      @alvermillioncranky8360 Před 9 měsíci +4

      @@frenchfriar I happen to think you may well be correct. It certainly sounds plausible.

    • @tboyz1
      @tboyz1 Před 9 měsíci +4

      Enuma Elish creation story is not mentioned here it would answer a lot of the questions many have been asking

    • @jamesbronz
      @jamesbronz Před 9 měsíci

      Re: "The moon was formed when another planet hit the first earth". Could only imagine how cataclysmic that would have been. @@gglenn7920

  • @williamdudleybass9302
    @williamdudleybass9302 Před 10 měsíci +13

    I assume the largest asteroids including Ceres, Pallas, & Vesta are also included in the hypothetical Phaeton of such small mass? All the Trojans? (All those are pretty small, too). What of the possibility much of Phaeton’s alleged mass if not most of it was sucked into Jupiter’s gravity well with the rest disappearing as meteorites smashing into Mars, Earth, Luna, & elsewhere? How would one even estimate the quantity of mass hypothetically gobbled up by Jupiter?

  • @baahcusegamer4530
    @baahcusegamer4530 Před 10 měsíci +27

    The Titius-Bode law is no coincidence. It lined up with far too many planets to be so dismissed. Neptune is simply an outlier to the norm. Which begs the question of why. And yes, Ceres, Eris and Pluto-Charon absolutely are planets by any consistent definition. They are round. They just happen to be a different sub-class of planet from the “gas giants”.

    • @itoibo4208
      @itoibo4208 Před 10 měsíci +4

      I 'discovered' this pattern myself, while making a scale model of the solar system. It is also interesting that the distance from Saturn tp Uranus, and Uranus to Neptune, are 10 au. We should consider how the distances may be affected if one planet is missing, and whether the planets were or are moving in or out to compensate. I am pretty sure there is a pattern and reasons for the distances, and they are not just where they are by luck.

    • @kelleythomas303
      @kelleythomas303 Před 10 měsíci +3

      @@itoibo4208 the lack of a planet being missing and the fact that planetary positions take a long time to actually change/adjust to what would compensate would make up for it easily. we could just be observing the planets adjusting themselves orbit/distance wise. the size of the planets that far out could also be a factor as to why they're slightly more distant. the Titius-Bode law lines up a lot of small to average size planets but then you get into the larger ones and the distance is slightly off.

    • @bryanbryan2968
      @bryanbryan2968 Před 9 měsíci +3

      I theorized that millions of years ago, Neptune had maybe 75 big moons(and dwarf planets, including Pluto) and they sling shotted themselves to Uranus causing it to severely wobble it’s axis. Several other moons and dwarves travelled to beyond Pluto’s location.

    • @stevenswitzer5154
      @stevenswitzer5154 Před 9 měsíci

      Pluto is not a planet because the center of gravity between it and its moon is not inside pluto. Maybe another "destroyed" planet that coalesced into two bodies.

    • @webertbaiao7045
      @webertbaiao7045 Před 9 měsíci

      NASA Facts: Secret NASA documents reveal the real shape of the Earth!
      1 - LOCKHEED SR-71 BLACKBIRD: Technical Memorandum 104330: Predicted Performance of a Thrust Enhanced SR-71 Aircraft with an External Payload:
      Page 08: DIGITAL PERFORMANCE SIMULATION DESCRIPTION: The DPS equations of motion use four assumptions that simplify the program while maintaining its fidelity for most maneuvers and applications: point-mass modeling, nonturbulent atmosphere, zero side forces, and a “nonrotating Earth”.
      2 - NASA Reference Publication 1207: Derivation and Definition of a Linear Aircraft Model: 08/1988:
      2.1 Page 02: SUMMARY: This report documents the derivation and definition of a linear aircraft model for a rigid aircraft of constant mass flying over a “fiat and nonrotating Earth”.
      2.2 Page 30: 3 CONCLUDING REMARKS: This report derives and defines a set of linearized system matrix for a rigid aircraft of constant mass, flying in a stationary atmosphere over a “flat and nonrotating Earth”.
      2.3 Page 102: 16. Abstract: This report documents the derivation and definition of a linear aircraft model for a rigid aircraft of constant mass flying over a “flat and nonrotating Earth”.
      3 - NASA General Equations of Motion for a Damaged Asymmetric Aircraft:
      Page 02: Rigid Body Equations of Motion Referenced to an Arbitrary Fixed Point on the Body There are several approaches that can be used to develop the general equations of motion. The one selected here starts with Newton’s laws applied to a collection of particles defining the rigid body (any number of dynamics or physics books can serve as references, e.g. reference 2). In this paper, the rigid body equations of motion over a “flat non-rotating Earth” are developed that are not necessarily referenced to the body’s center of mass.
      4 - NASA: A METHOD FOR REDUCING THE SENSITIVITY OF OPTIMAL NONLINEAR SYSTEMS TO PARAMETER UNCERTAINTY: NATIONAL AERONAUTICS AND SPACE ADMINISTRATION WASHINGTON, D. C. JUNE 1971:
      Page 12: A NUMERICAL EXAMPLE: Problem Statement: The example problem is a fixed-time problem in which it is required to determine the thrust-attitude program of a single-stage rocket vehicle starting from rest and going to specified terminal conditions of altitude and vertical velocity which will maximize the final horizontal velocity. The idealizing assumptions made are the following:
      (1) A point-mass vehicle
      (2) A “flat, nonrotating Earth”
      5 - NASA Technical Paper Nº 2835 1988: User’s Manual for Interactive LINEAR, a FORTRAN Program to Derive Linear Aircraft Models.
      5.1 Page 01: SUMMARY: The nonlinear equations of motion used are six-degree-of-freedom equations with stationary atmosphere and “flat and nonrotating Earth” assumptions.
      5.2 Page 126: 6. Abstract: The nonlinear equations of motion used are six-degree-of-freedom equations with stationary atmosphere and “flat and nonrotating Earth” assumptions.

  • @user-uw6pq5sn5w
    @user-uw6pq5sn5w Před 9 měsíci +14

    In the 5th grade (in 1965) I remember getting a weekly reader that was about the asteroid belt. My first thought was “ it looked like a planet blew up and it’s parts were caught in its orbit”. Sometimes first and simplest impression and explanations are the best…. “Science”, over the course of my lifetime, has rarely been accurate or reliable. I’m banking on a destroyed planet….

    • @Noitisnt-ns7mo
      @Noitisnt-ns7mo Před 9 měsíci

      The great thing of a "true" science is it's ability to adapt and improve it's subtle ability in terms of greater accuracy and understanding. Error is a great teacher in eliminating the less pertinent and adding to the more relevant. Or not.. Science is not to be trusted, but it beats blind faith.

    • @colleenforrest7936
      @colleenforrest7936 Před 9 měsíci

      The rocks from the great bombardment had to come from somewhere.

  • @rickyrodriguez5744
    @rickyrodriguez5744 Před 9 měsíci +12

    This was an in-depth study of something I’ve never heard of. I go to planetarium’s. I have my telescope, and I’ve never heard of this history. Very good study.

  • @arespaulson414
    @arespaulson414 Před 9 měsíci +26

    Logical Flaw: if something happened, it is highly unlikely all the material would have remained in orbit. Therefore, the current asteroidal mass would be expected to be less than orihinal... perhaps far less. Most would have been either ejected or fallen into other bodies.

    • @Noitisnt-ns7mo
      @Noitisnt-ns7mo Před 9 měsíci +1

      According to what principle? How do you know it's "all the material"?

    • @ryanmickler-doyle2417
      @ryanmickler-doyle2417 Před 9 měsíci +4

      ​​@@Noitisnt-ns7mothats his point. IF something happened then "all the material" that we see would not be "all the material" originally there.
      I imagine he makes this argument based on Newtons laws of motion, which would make sense

    • @prince-solomon
      @prince-solomon Před 7 měsíci +2

      Exactly, and we know that one side of Mars is littered with craters while the other side is mostly fine, and look how badly bashed the moon Iapetus is...
      If you blow something up, most of it isn't gonna stay in place.

    • @andrewshepersky8704
      @andrewshepersky8704 Před 4 měsíci

      A bunch of cave men with morals & brains of A mouse concluded this😂

  • @earthlingjohn
    @earthlingjohn Před 10 měsíci +34

    Have always wondered what would be the combined mass of *every* object in the asteroid belt...and then once combined into a singular object, what would be the size of that object
    Presuming that such an object did once exist, then suffered catastrophic impact and destruction, one must also add the mass of every piece expelled to impact other planets or exit our solar system altogether
    My theory is that a planet did once exist between Mars and Jupiter, and that Mars once supported life as we know it but was pummeled with the debris of the now extinct planet

    • @sandboxIRL
      @sandboxIRL Před 10 měsíci +1

      It's entirely possible mars once had life. However the reason it is no longer there is that the planet does not have enough mass to maintain a magnetic field. Over eons the atmosphere, and water with it was stripped away by solar wind, leaving the desert we see today.

    • @earthlingjohn
      @earthlingjohn Před 10 měsíci

      Equally plausible that being bombarded continuously by the remnants of a destroyed planet will strip your planet of it's water, trigger global volcanic eruptions and open a chasm deep enough and long enough to vent out a major portion of your molten core... effectively leaving small remnants of a once global magnetic field

    • @jefffinkbonner9551
      @jefffinkbonner9551 Před 10 měsíci +10

      This is what I was thinking, too. The total mass of the asteroid belt could merely be some of the “remaining” mass of the original object, the rest having impacted other planets, mainly Jupiter.

    • @cyberwasp3289
      @cyberwasp3289 Před 10 měsíci +4

      The asteroid belt was once a planet roughly twice the size of earth that had 4 moons. It was destroyed along with the civilization that inhabited it. Ceres and Vesta were 2 of the 4 moons that survived.

    • @jerrypartington3650
      @jerrypartington3650 Před 10 měsíci +4

      ​@@cyberwasp3289Any evidence to support your rather far fetched claims?

  • @exclamationpointman3852
    @exclamationpointman3852 Před 10 měsíci +12

    ANOTHER GREAT VIDEO! GREAT PRODUCTION, STRAIGHT TO THE POINT, ACTUALLY LEARN SOMETHING USEFUL - I LOVE THIS CHANNEL!

  • @danielzuck143
    @danielzuck143 Před 10 měsíci +6

    You do great storytelling about the topic; following you since long time - thank you for the great content.

  • @HR-wd6cw
    @HR-wd6cw Před 9 měsíci +8

    Likely the asteroid belt was probably a planet that didn't survive the early stages of the solar system's development. I mean it has to be since many of the asteroids do share some of the same characteristics found in other planets that have a core and a surface (not gas giants).

  • @elleni-41
    @elleni-41 Před 10 měsíci +12

    Every since I was a kid I loved space science...I always felt like there was suppose to be a planet between Mars n Jupiter..ur the best space channel Rob..👌👌💙💙

  • @lenvdb64
    @lenvdb64 Před 9 měsíci +11

    According to the Dolores Cannon books Convoluted Universe series, the people who lived on the planet were conducting war based experiments and blew up their planet by accident.

    • @Tanacarroll
      @Tanacarroll Před 5 měsíci

      The planet was known as Tiamat. It’s said some of the peoples made it to Earth. That part is probably, maybe, not truth..?!

    • @gregholmes1289
      @gregholmes1289 Před 4 měsíci +1

      It was also known as Maldek.

    • @Tanacarroll
      @Tanacarroll Před 4 měsíci

      @@gregholmes1289 Yes I have heard that it was Maldek or Tiamat too. It sure is interesting isn’t it? I wish we knew the real history of the Universe.

    • @gregholmes1289
      @gregholmes1289 Před 4 měsíci +1

      @@Tanacarroll Full disclosure, when it comes, would include the real history of the Universe. I recommend reading "The Seeders" by Elena Danaan.

    • @Tanacarroll
      @Tanacarroll Před 4 měsíci

      @@gregholmes1289 I’ve been wanting full disclosure for years now. I will check out the book. Thanks! 🙂

  • @vermasean
    @vermasean Před 10 měsíci +9

    Early reporting team checking in; excellent way to start the weekend 🙌

  • @moonbeamskies3346
    @moonbeamskies3346 Před 10 měsíci +8

    Clearly the missing planet is now the asteroid belt.

  • @davidhutch307
    @davidhutch307 Před 10 měsíci +16

    If it had been a massive collision is it possible the missing mass to warrant it being a planet was ejected from that particular orbit?

    • @Rob774
      @Rob774 Před 10 měsíci

      I came here to day the same thing.

    • @sullyway51
      @sullyway51 Před 9 měsíci +1

      I wonder when scientist calculated the mass of the asteroid belt not big enough to form a planet, if they took into account the two moons of Mars and all the asteroids that have hit all the inner planets, moon and sun?

    • @Rob774
      @Rob774 Před 9 měsíci

      @@sullyway51 Or just some.e fragments that got away because of other planatoids at the time.

  • @392_Tish
    @392_Tish Před 10 měsíci +6

    Great video as always! Love it!

  • @spaceychile2349
    @spaceychile2349 Před 10 měsíci +7

    5:20 so cool to see those images of Pallas and Juno in your video. Our team obtained them with the SPHERE imager on the Very Large Telescope in Chile :) Great video!

  • @RebelMerc
    @RebelMerc Před 10 měsíci +12

    What this theory does not consider is could have a large part of the destroyed planet Phaeton been 'swept up' by Jupiter gravity or thrown out toward the rest of the solar system becoming comets? Of course we will never know but... we can still dream about it, write about such events and read the stories of those that did.

  • @dariusturner1171
    @dariusturner1171 Před 10 měsíci +3

    Great job as always Rob!!!!!!!

  • @ellisonhamilton3322
    @ellisonhamilton3322 Před 10 měsíci +3

    Fascinating....as always. Thank you.
    Hope you and Rolo have a great weekend. 🇺🇸❤🇬🇧

  • @xairak
    @xairak Před 10 měsíci +1

    Really informative, learned something new. Thank you!

  • @rohansharma5487
    @rohansharma5487 Před 10 měsíci +2

    Just amazing. Your videos always makes me think about our amazing universe.

  • @sajidulahad
    @sajidulahad Před 10 měsíci +13

    The commentary is amazing. Feels good watching this before sleeping.

  • @1SeanBond
    @1SeanBond Před 10 měsíci +2

    Appreciate your efforts and impeccable quality content thanks for all your efforts! We find your amazing channel full of interesting facts & items about planets & deep space ,many cool topics & so well articulated explanations! Cheers my friend!🤝🏼✌🏼💫

  • @mortified776
    @mortified776 Před 10 měsíci +6

    Fun connection: Ceres is where we get the word 'cereal'.

  • @DavidSaintOnge2007
    @DavidSaintOnge2007 Před 10 měsíci

    Cruising the comments in the opening of this video and seeing stellar reviews. Subscribed 👍🏼 now to relax and enjoy this

  • @jamesdelb6885
    @jamesdelb6885 Před 9 měsíci +3

    Whatever destroyed the planet that became the asteroid belt, could have scattered most of it out of the solar system.

  • @greggweber9967
    @greggweber9967 Před 9 měsíci +2

    When I was a kid I came across a science fiction story which had a quote supposedly by Kepler of "Between Mars and Jupiter, I shall put a planet." I can't remember the name.

  • @truesimplicity
    @truesimplicity Před 9 měsíci +2

    Great story telling and perfect marstion tempo 👍🏼 earned a subscriber.

  • @geemanbmw
    @geemanbmw Před 10 měsíci +1

    I always enjoy and learn from V101 and Rob your voice is epic ❤

  • @nigeldawkins
    @nigeldawkins Před 10 měsíci +9

    Interesting story of former thinking. Very much appreciate the thought process. I could only do much worse! Thanks for bringing this into the present day!

  • @nutier
    @nutier Před 10 měsíci +1

    Awesome video ! I love it so much . Thank you for sharing . If there are 10 planets , there are also 10 days in one week , I think . Happy week to you !

  • @JohnnyNiteTrain
    @JohnnyNiteTrain Před 10 měsíci +2

    I vote that any new planet discovered should be named V101 🙌🏼

  • @malikabas3088
    @malikabas3088 Před 10 měsíci +2

    Helo Rob, Good Morning to u. M watching this video today . And it's fantastic really 😊

  • @bobbyshaftoe
    @bobbyshaftoe Před 9 měsíci +4

    An interesting foil to the commonly accepted origin of the Asteroid Belt (should be called Phaeton's Bones) is the fact that the major asteroids are accretions of similar composition.. as if they are remnants of pre-stratified construction (like a planet or moon).

  • @AZ-697
    @AZ-697 Před 10 měsíci +5

    There is a possibility that Ceres migrated into its current position from the Kuiper Belt, the home of Pluto and its fellow Plutinos. Both are “Dwarf” Planets.

  • @jamesrizza2640
    @jamesrizza2640 Před 8 měsíci

    A fascinating presentation. Absolutely loved it.

  • @billfrehe6620
    @billfrehe6620 Před 9 měsíci +2

    How do we know everything in the asteroid belt is what would be left over of a hypothetical Phaeton? It could be a mere fraction of what's left over, with the remainder being ejected. All we can know for sure is that the creation of our solar system is far more complicated than our current understanding of it.

  • @garrywatts9665
    @garrywatts9665 Před 9 měsíci +3

    Yes okay, what we see now fits that explanation, but what if a collision sent a lot of the supposed planet out to be moons trapped by the gas and ice giants as well as vaporising a good portion of it? It does seem implausible that all the surrounding planets coalesced, but these asteroids did not. We may find out in the future when they are explored better. What, for instance, caused Uranus to have such an unusual tilt?

  • @user-oj6el1ez5k
    @user-oj6el1ez5k Před 10 měsíci +5

    You should make separate videos on other hypothetical planets.

  • @V101SPACE
    @V101SPACE  Před 10 měsíci +67

    This is the fascinating story of the Phaeton planet, the world that was discovered, destroyed and then forgotten.

    • @controllerplayer1720
      @controllerplayer1720 Před 10 měsíci

      Most of the Theories of those pseudo science space experts about space and universe are only Made up of Stories, Assumption and Wild Imaginative Guess..

    • @DaDudeClub
      @DaDudeClub Před 10 měsíci +4

      Beltalowdas Unite!

    • @Silvblade79
      @Silvblade79 Před 10 měsíci +2

      Why does it have to orbit sun? I though planets are classified based on their size for one.

    • @vaulthecreator
      @vaulthecreator Před 10 měsíci +5

      I do enjoy tthe idea of the asteroid belt being Phaeton torn apart by Jupiter. Since, in mythology, Zeus struck Phaeton from the heavens and Jupiter is the Roman equivalent of Zeus there is something poetical rattling around in there. And we all need a little poetry in our lives, right? 😊

    • @the_dark_one6052
      @the_dark_one6052 Před 10 měsíci +4

      @@Silvblade79 ...because if it orbits a planet then it is a satellite, regardless of whether it has enough mass to pull itself into a sphere. Hence Ganymede is a satellite as it orbits Jupiter yet it has a larger diameter than Mercury.

  • @tats_sacs
    @tats_sacs Před 10 měsíci +4

    It’s funny that they depict the asteroid belt as one gigantic ring orbiting the sun. When in fact, these rocks are so far apart that you won’t see the closest one next to it if you happen to land on one.
    Also the planet did not form because it was being pulled apart by Jupiter’s gravity.

  • @siamakalaei1148
    @siamakalaei1148 Před 10 měsíci +2

    👍👍❤️❤️❤️😍😍😍 thanks for the video. Best wishes ❤️ ❤️

  • @leefoster4133
    @leefoster4133 Před 9 měsíci +3

    According to Sumerians writings. The fifth and four planet collided. It merged to re-create the four planet. What happened to the rest of the material is unknown. As they had no way to determine that.

  • @MrPolycount
    @MrPolycount Před 9 měsíci +1

    I made a whole story about this concept as a child years ago.
    Good story between this planet and the now long dead Mars as we know it now.
    Great concept.
    I should update that story.

  • @jasonvero
    @jasonvero Před 8 měsíci +2

    The Sumerians called it Marduk, and said that it was destroyed by a passing object on a long elliptical orbit, leaving behind the field of debris we see today. Some theorize that the destruction of Marduk is also what gave us our moon (many early writings describe an Earth before there was a moon, not just the Sumerians), as well as caused the scar on Mars that essentially killed that planet entirely.

    • @cyan_the_uranian
      @cyan_the_uranian Před 7 měsíci +1

      Marduk is Jupiter. The fifth planet is Tiamat.
      🐉R.I.P. Tiamat 🐉

  • @LeslieAB30
    @LeslieAB30 Před 7 měsíci +3

    The true 5th planet is known to some as Maldek. It was our original home until it was destroyed in an atomic war. Later on we were given permission to incarnate here around 18,600,000 years ago.

  • @albundy7718
    @albundy7718 Před 10 měsíci +3

    There is still the Mystery what happened to Mars, why does his Surface looks scared? One Theory is that Debris from an exploding Planet hit Mars in the distant Past.

    • @eeveefennecfox
      @eeveefennecfox Před 8 měsíci +1

      I think all of the planets have a tragic backstory from their pasts

  • @jamesbronz
    @jamesbronz Před 9 měsíci

    That was good. Thanks for sharing.

  • @theuniverse_tz
    @theuniverse_tz Před 10 měsíci +3

    "Uranus" Always gets me😅, anyways i have watched the Expanse series, visual imagination of how these moons, planets, astreriods and even man-made cities so called the "belt" can be imagined!!

  • @Emdee5632
    @Emdee5632 Před 9 měsíci +6

    The biggest object in the Asteroid Belt, Ceres, is by itself about one third of the total mass of all the objects in the belt combined. And that mass is very tiny...

    • @gregholmes1289
      @gregholmes1289 Před 5 měsíci +1

      Ceres could have been a moon of the 5th planet.

  • @lloydrobinson7081
    @lloydrobinson7081 Před 10 měsíci +1

    keep the clips coming

  • @koharumi1
    @koharumi1 Před 10 měsíci +9

    Makes you wonder what if ceres was discovered orbiting by itself or at least the size ratio between it and other objects was a lot bigger.
    Would it be classed as a planet back then?

    • @christinamann3640
      @christinamann3640 Před 10 měsíci +1

      There was a brief moment when it was discovered that it was.

    • @AstroXHelper
      @AstroXHelper Před 9 měsíci

      Yes it would be called a planet.

  • @romulascott
    @romulascott Před 9 měsíci +2

    The scar on Mars would be the impact of that planet.

  • @XpLaZ
    @XpLaZ Před 5 měsíci

    Found you on bing just scrolling videos. Came over here to drop a sub because this was made very well and was extremely informative. Put history channel out of business king.

  • @Leo-pd4fc
    @Leo-pd4fc Před 10 měsíci +8

    This is my first time ever when i've heared about Phateon, it would be really interesting if there is a secret planet between Jupiter and Mars. There's a real 5th planet and maybe 9th planet is real too. 😮

    • @MapBotTheElsagateKiller
      @MapBotTheElsagateKiller Před 10 měsíci +1

      I doubt it, we would have detected it by now, unless you count the 9th planet as an asteroid or a strangely big comet.

    • @Leo-pd4fc
      @Leo-pd4fc Před 10 měsíci

      @@MapBotTheElsagateKiller that's a good point of you

    • @Dulcimerist
      @Dulcimerist Před 9 měsíci

      It seems like many people are unaware of dwarf planet Ceres between Jupiter and Mars, so I suppose it could be considered "secret" due to people's lack of awareness.

  • @neonshadow5005
    @neonshadow5005 Před 9 měsíci +2

    The theoretical Planet X, if it exists, hasn't been discovered yet because of how far out it is and how dark it is out there. We just can't see it. So until we have a model that can predict where it might be, there's not much chance of finding it. Just my view on it.

  • @ChipEstrada
    @ChipEstrada Před 9 měsíci +8

    Planet 9 exists, it's called Pluto.

  • @verysadpotato
    @verysadpotato Před 9 měsíci +3

    What if jupiter tore the hypothetical planet apart and it's remenece formed around jupiter as it's many large moons?

  • @Dj1Crook
    @Dj1Crook Před 10 měsíci +5

    Great and interesting video as always 😀

  • @naveenraj2008eee
    @naveenraj2008eee Před 10 měsíci +1

    Hi
    Awesome video.
    Thanks.

  • @BTech2077
    @BTech2077 Před 9 měsíci

    This kind of content science is inspiring.

  • @jefffinkbonner9551
    @jefffinkbonner9551 Před 10 měsíci +4

    Maybe the asteroid belt is merely the remaining pieces of a shattered planet, the rest having impacted into Jupiter.

  • @jamesabbott5242
    @jamesabbott5242 Před 10 měsíci +1

    Awesome Video

  • @WeedsMcJohnson
    @WeedsMcJohnson Před 10 měsíci +3

    One of the legends states that Phaeton was inhabited many, many millions of years ago. The people of that planet, for some unknown reason diverted some of it's ocean water to the interior of the planet. Maybe to produce power? At any rate they ended up causing a catastrophic explosion which destroyed the planet forming the asteroid belt we see today.

  • @TM-88
    @TM-88 Před 10 měsíci +1

    I’ve lost count on how many times I’ve watched your videos on “Falling in to the gas giants”

    • @V101SPACE
      @V101SPACE  Před 10 měsíci +2

      lol I might make an updated version of those videos, with better effects etc It's one hell of a journey! V

  • @caesarisared1320
    @caesarisared1320 Před 10 měsíci +4

    I’ve read (can’t remember where) that there was a planet but it got caught by Jupiter and destroyed by its immense gravity

  • @stewarttomkinson3356
    @stewarttomkinson3356 Před 9 měsíci +3

    I always thought the asteroid belt used to be a planet

  • @johnskerlec9663
    @johnskerlec9663 Před 4 měsíci +1

    I agree with Olbers, and too think the asteroid belt is the remains of a destroyed planet. The fact that the mass of debris combined would amount to a planet smaller than our Moon scuttles my thought that humans originated from there when they (long ago) destroyed their planet.

  • @ClabberHead
    @ClabberHead Před 5 měsíci +2

    If there was a 5th planet in between Mars and Jupiter that broke up, maybe a lot of the fragments were swallowed by Jupiter over the possible billions of years since it happened.

  • @thedigodragon
    @thedigodragon Před 9 měsíci +2

    A thought I had is what if there was a major planet there, but Mars was a moon of that planet? Mars has an unusually low density, being closer to the moons of the system than the rocky planets. It's surface does have signs of being struck by something really large in it's ancient past, and its orbit around the sun is quite different than the other planets. So my idea was a theoretical big planet that existed between Earth and Jupiter that was struck by a very large object and shattered. Mars survives and settles into it's unusual orbit, and the remaining bits of planet that didn't get flung around the solar system settled in the now asteroid belt. The problem with my idea is that there's still very little mass there in the belt; the majority of the theoretical world would have to be flung out of the solar system or crash into Jupiter to work.

  • @mikekelly702
    @mikekelly702 Před 10 měsíci +3

    The greek myth of fatan (phaton?) is the same myth contained in the ancient Sumerian writings about Nibiru. Nibiru had moons and one of its moons got too close to the ORIGINAL earth, and collided with it cleaving the original earth, half becoming the astroid belt, and the half that was left became the current earth and was placed in its new (current) orbit.

    • @vivian3371
      @vivian3371 Před 9 měsíci +1

      Tiamat, the giant water planet.

  • @catalin-constantin4197
    @catalin-constantin4197 Před 10 měsíci

    Awesome video

  • @johannamorotti5811
    @johannamorotti5811 Před 10 měsíci +4

    I think Phaeton did exist and that perhaps a large asteroid impact caused it to somehow end up falling into Jupiter leaving only a small percentage of it behind. (the belt) IMO, Phaeton's core is inside Jupiter.

  • @alanhaynes9672
    @alanhaynes9672 Před 10 měsíci +2

    Always preferred the name Minerva for this planet

  • @piperyork7933
    @piperyork7933 Před 10 měsíci +4

    Actually, nemesis was discovered years ago,but they named it Eris (not sure about the spelling), and it's red dwarf sun was given the name nemesis. We live in a binary sun system, and the above-mentioned is in an elliptical orbit.

  • @tboyz1
    @tboyz1 Před 9 měsíci +2

    Enuma Elish creation story is not mentioned here it would answer a lot of the questions many have been asking...

  • @zakariaabdimohamed7063
    @zakariaabdimohamed7063 Před 10 měsíci +2

    Not gonna lie but i giggled at “ when william Herschel spotted Uranus in 1781” part.🤣

  • @davidcolombier5673
    @davidcolombier5673 Před 2 měsíci

    Very interesting!

  • @earlofnythe
    @earlofnythe Před 10 měsíci +1

    Brilliant ❤

  • @trijizvy
    @trijizvy Před 10 měsíci

    Interesting video👍😍❤️

  • @susancaleca4796
    @susancaleca4796 Před 8 měsíci

    Facinating!

  • @patkundesu
    @patkundesu Před 10 měsíci +2

    This is cool!

    • @patkundesu
      @patkundesu Před 10 měsíci +1

      But I still can’t not laugh hearing Uranus in any context

  • @htodudenyc
    @htodudenyc Před 10 měsíci +2

    may be was a planet or something like that in the past , and still engrave in the collective memory of humanity

  • @jackdunne6152
    @jackdunne6152 Před 9 měsíci +4

    No ninth planet discovered beyond Neptune? Reaaaaaaaly?

  • @Khether0001
    @Khether0001 Před 10 měsíci +5

    I suck at math so I can't verify if this is correct, but imagine that you are looking at a picture of the moon that is 10 cm in diameter, a planet that has 4% of the size of the moon would be 0.4 cm in diameter... right? maybe? If that is the case I think the image comparison at 9:01 may not be very accurate.
    Regardless, very interesting subject! even made me engage ChatGPT for quite some time! lol Thank you!!! =)

    • @llornkcor8880
      @llornkcor8880 Před 10 měsíci +1

      It has 4% the mass of the moon, think of volume of a sphere. At 10cm diameter that would make it 5cm radius, which is used in the equation. That would mean 4% of the mass would equate to roughly 1.7cm radius, or ~3.4cm diameter...about one third the diameter of the moon. I think it looks pretty accurate.

  • @sirelord4306
    @sirelord4306 Před 10 měsíci

    Well done

  • @twistedprophecy
    @twistedprophecy Před 8 měsíci +2

    Always believed the asteroid belt was most likely a planet that got hit and destroyed, suppose it’s possible that a chunk of said planet could have ended colliding with earth