Clemson Runs Hidden Ball Trick to Perfection
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1:34 "If the pitcher is on the rubber, he needs to have the ball." It's even more restrictive than that. NCAA rule 9-3-f states that the pitcher cannot stand with either foot or both feet on any part of the dirt area of the mound without possession of the ball. Runners are taught to never take a lead until the pitcher is on the mound.
Rule 9-3-f also includes this: during a hidden-ball-trick attempt.
Apparently this runner was not taught.
@MwD676 or he fell asleep that day - tomorrow he's running laps!
What about if there isn't a grass infield.... Then the whole infield is dirt?
@@tomd6588probably white line circle like in softball.
Under NCAA rules, it is a balk if the pitcher has either foot on the dirt part of the mound without the ball.
Really? At what point does that start? Obviously, after they pitch they will have feet on the mound without the ball.
@@McLovin1759 I think it only applies if someone other than the P or C had it last. In that case, the P can't enter chalk w/o the ball.
During the hidden-Ball-trick attempt. Found this rule online.
@@McLovin1759during any hidden-ball-trick attempt.
@@McLovin1759 During a hidden ball trick.
I once was able to pull off that play at 3rd base. I was about 9-10 yrs old now 74 yrs old and still remember it. The poor kid who I tagged out started crying and his coach was yelling at him. I felt kinda bad for about a second.
Same here 😂. That drilled it in my head to not be that guy falling for that.
I think would be fascinating to find that "kid" now and ask him what he thinks about it this many years later.
Whoever said there is no crying in baseball doesn't know what they are talking about. In little league I once took a line drive bad hop right between the eyes. I was on the ground crying and everyone was standing over me laughing. Next thing I know, a dog walks up and pees on my glove. Total humiliation plus I ended up with two big black eyes.
@@azjv; 😥
Sooo, it was LESS than one second..? In that case, you officially did NOT feel bad!! 😉😂🤣
That IS a hilarious comment!! Fun memories🤗👍🏻🤠
Interesting to note that it looks like he actually gave up on the attempt, took the ball out of his glove and wanted to throw it back to the pitcher, but pitcher probably not looking at him so he took one final glance at the runner, and jumped.
I actually think he took the ball out to make sure 3rd base ump was watching what was going on.
You're right. Dude was still on the bag when Matt originally said he went. He wasn't until that 2nd glance when he saw him move out of the corner of his eye. He wouldn't have waited as long to tag him if he was off the after the first glance
Yes he said he was about to give up on the play in the postgame interview
Exactly, in spite of Matt having played at a high level his whole life, he often misses intricacies such as the one you just pointed out.
@@robprator5890No, that would not be a really smart way to play it. If you show the ump, you show it to the opposition too. Furthermore, the third baseman does not actually give the umpire a look at the ball. He wanted to give up on it thinking the runner and third base coach had picked up on it, and just as he took the ball out of his glove he saw the runner leave his base. Although this time the play worked out, it wasn't played very convincing. But hey, Matt's clickbait worked for him.....
I love that you're doing these kind of videos. Instructionals are great, but these are both educational and highly entertaining!
why isn't this the third base coaches job to tell the runner to stay on the base? What else does that guy even have to do other than watch the ball and make sure this doesn't happen?
Who says he wasn't saying that/doesn't say that? When I was still young enough to play sports I definitely remember, literally everyday, people ignoring the coaching. And it seems like thats worse the higher the level and even more so today. Ultimately it's the base runners job to make sure he's doing things right. He has definitely been taught, multiple times, to not take a lead until the pitcher is in the mound. And I'm pretty sure he was also briefed, with the rest of the team, that Clemson likes to run this play. Coaches can only do so much.
From little league up through mlb, those 3rd base coaches are nearly worthless. They seem to do nothing, fall asleep, and generally just end up being spectators with on-the-field seating.
I think the 3rd base coach should get an absolute ass-chewing. He’s there, in big part, to coach and prevent bad behavior. He watched his guy leave early and merely stood and watched.
It would have been nice to see the uninterrupted footage of the actual play rather than just the freeze-frames and your commentary. The breakdown of the play should come after we see it happen from start to finish, continuously. The explanation lacks context and impact without seeing the play unfold without interruption.
I love these trick plays. My favorite is the fake over-thrown ball to first on a pickoff. The pitcher throws to 1st high (but catchable) and the 1st baseman catches the ball BUT runs back as if the ball was thrown over his head. This involves everyone on the team to sell it. The pitcher starts yelling and pointing, catcher runs up the line to 1st, 1st baseman and right fielder runs over to get the imaginary overthrown ball, etc. The right fielder has the "eyes" for this play ... he will yell "GET HIM" when the 1st baseman should turn and throw to 2nd. By then the pitcher will be at 1st and the catcher will be backing him up for that rundown.
Best advise ever...just wait until pitcher touch the rubber. No worries where the ball is at the point and time.
It's a bit of overkill as the P just entering the circled area around the rubber w/o the ball would be a balk in a situation like this. But yeah, waiting until rubber is best for most.
The dirt of the mound in NCAA. Approximately 5 feet from rubber in NFHS. On or straddling the runner in OBR.
But, yeah. If he’s touching, runner is safe to lead off.
This is why it’s super important to know the rules of the game *before* discussing the rules of the game. Watch some college baseball and you’ll hear a distinctive metallic ping when batters hit the ball. That should be a big clue that there are rule differences between OBR (which Antonelli references) and NCAA (which actually govern here).
NCAA 9-3-f states that the pitcher cannot even enter the dirt circle of the mound without the ball. This makes it even easier for a college player to avoid this trick.
While you're technically correct, the VAST majority of people watching this video will never play or coach under NCAA rules, so the best generic advice, which is what Matt is providing, is to stay on the bag until the pitcher is on the rubber.
This is not fair
He should have told the runner “just so ya know-I have the ball…”
Honesty is the best policy!
🤣😂🤣😂
Love it !!! Go Tigers !!!
Silly question, if the pitcher does step onto the rubber without the ball in this situation, is that considered a balk? Thanks for the video.
Yes, that is a balk.
Yup!
The pitcher can't even step on the mound without the ball.
We tried this once on my son's team after an infield huddle, but we picked the wrong base. Runner on second took his lead, but the ball was with the 3rd baseman -- coach told him to wait until the pitcher stepped on the rubber. The only downside with this play is the little shame when it doesn't work.
Most umpires will call time when an infield huddle happens.
If time is called, the hidden ball trick is impossible.
Matt; have you ever heard of Dell Bethel? Back in the day, he penned a book about baseball basics.. Lots of solid information in that book!!
Some rule specs allow for them to be on the mound area.. but all of them, if the pitcher is astride or engaged with the rubber..and he don't have the ball.. That by most rules I have seen is a balk.. others just being on the mound would qualify.. So as he said.. just wait until they are on the rubber and you will always be fine no matter what rules you're playing.. When I've officiated, I had one attempt at getting it to work.. but they didn't realize that A. I knew where the ball was.. and B. it was a dead ball situation so I could NOT put the ball in play.. of course he was stride and in that rule spec would have been balk had it not been a dead ball situation.
Doesn't the umpire have to put the ball in play? If the pitcher doesn't have the ball how can he legally declare the ball in play?
There’s another video out there that shows the prior play. 1st and 2nd no outs. There was a successful sacrifice bunt moving the runners to 2nd and 3rd. 3rd baseman fielded it and threw to 1st as the pitcher covered 3rd base on the throw. 1st baseman then threw ball back to 3rd Baseman near front of mound. As pitcher walked back to mound, 3rd baseman faked hand off the ball their gloves. Also part of this great setup was the pitcher kept never looked at that runner and kept his back turned away from him.
What happened to the old saying when growing up and hearing "Don't take your eye off the ball!"
That is good baseball
This can never happen in MLB because the umpires, for some reason, always call time out after plays that involve something other than the catcher throwing the ball back to the pitcher. The ball isn’t live again until the pitcher engages the rubber with the ball. Engaging or making any action associated with a pitch without the ball is a balk. It would have been interesting to see the action all the way back to the previous pitch
You’re smoking Jomboy with the content! The speed is amazing.
I just happened to see it and thought it would make a cool video. Sometimes I get lucky lol
@@AntonelliBaseball I appreciate that you use these fun examples for education as well as entertainment. Way beyond playing anymore, but I still learn from these.
I only watch that channel by mistake; I really can't stand his videos. @AntonelliBaseball all the way
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Love my Tigers!! What a classic!
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Thanks for the video, however I do with you included the full play real time.
This showed up on googles homepage 👀🔥
If you’ve ever watched one of his videos, you’ve been cookied and will see more videos from him. You see it on your Google home page, but most people do not.
Obviously, the third base coach was fooled, too. Otherwise, he would have told the runner to stay on the bag.
hahahaha awesome well done boys
Gene " Stick " Michael #17 , shortstop for the Yankees in the late 60's was a master of the hidden ball trick
Good job tigers A+
I thought if the pitcher is on the mound? Not the rubber but on the mound.
I love hidden ball tricks when they’re pulled off.
The intangible part is the team it’s pulled on gets so annoyed it can change the whole momentum of a game.
It’s embarrassing and a bit humiliating.
Plus they know they’ll end up these videos.
3rd base coach needs to be talking to the runner and helping out too.
@zachansen8293 has great comment below: Why didn't the runner's 3 base coach help? Not to blame shift- great vid but seems like the coach was suckered too??
Which part of this video makes you think he didn't say anything?
@@joshuaanderson4090 what part of this channel makes you think I welcome your rude comments? Please take as much time as you need to go F*** yourself.
Why do baserunners insist on wandering from the bag before the pitcher's on the rubber? You have plenty of time to take your lead. The hidden ball trick shouldn't even exist.
Again, what the heck is the third base coach doing, eating a hot dog? Why is he even out there? Save the salary money and just do without him. If you’re going to always blame the base runner, do away with base coaches altogether, that way the base runner knows there is no one to help him. Hell they don’t seem to be helping now anyway.
I can’t say on this exact play and every team is different, but there is a lot for some to do. When I coach third, I’m also calling the offense, so after the out is made I’m already thinking about what we could be doing that next pitch. I’m probably already going through signs by this point. I feel you cant really hold everybody’s hand on the bases. Our basic rule that we teach is, don’t take a lead until the pitcher is on the runner and you’ve got your sign. If you don’t follow the rule, it’s on you.
He was talking to the runner about something when the trick started.
Players need to be aware of rules and circumstances...
The rule use to be the pitcher couldn’t be on the mound.
Next time when that third baseman gets up to bat...☄️💥
In the NCAA, the pitcher can't walk on the dirt of the mound during a hidden ball trick. He must have the ball in his possession.
You mean to tell me that noone could see the ball in the webbing of the third baseman?
It seems to look that way
It seems to look that way
DUHHHHAAA WE ALL LEAN THIS IN T-Ball
So you lean this in T-Ball? I hope you learned how to spell when you got older. Spelling is a little more important than baseball. Lol.
Doesn't have to be on the rubber. Anywhere on the clay surrounding the rubber
I hear you, but we just teach rubber to make sure we don’t leave the base early
Makes sense
Look at his glove he kept it closed
Maybe let it play in real time
Sometimes I do sometimes I guess I don’t
These are things I learned in little league. Stay on the base until the pitcher steps on the rubber. 🤷♂️
I do think this is kind of like bush league or little league type of silly stunts.
Wish you would show video in regular speed first then narrate in slow motion after.....
I do usually but this time the video was very short so I did not
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Running a bootleg play in baseball. Football, you're not alone.
3rd base coach should of told the guy to stay on the bag.
3rd base coach fell asleep as well
And that’s why I live alone in peace.
Foot on rubber then lead easy rule everyone should know😅😅😅😅😅
First it's fair but to me little league.
Go dawgs
Ahhh.. cheap trick. It worked, but don’t really like the rule.
THIS OLD AZZ OLD AZZ TRICK... PLAYERS JUST CRAZY TO FALL FOR THIS
Dirty dirty
It took that long to do it !
That’s a delay of the game !!!
BAD PLAY !!!!!!!!!
Duh.
Wouldn't it have been good enough to just tag the runner with his glove that contained the ball? He would have had to show the umpire afterwards, of course.
He was about to give up on the play. That’s why he took the ball out. Then seized his opportunity a split-second later.
I think
That's called
Cheating ...
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Bush league
😂
Seems like cheating
It's not. You have to pay attention to where the ball is at, at all times.
Duh. College level and still need to teach this?
Poor sportsmanship to pull this crap!
Yeah they deserve the out if they don't know the rules and bad base running but trick shit is poor sportsmanship IMO
Just play the video bro, no one needs a step by step on what’s happening.
Feels cheap. Who wants to win like that? 😕
If you cant get people out without trickery, you need to go back to little league.
Opportunity to get an Out at 3rd after Sac Bunt if the runner is foolish, sloppy to be off the bag before Pitcher is on the mound.😂
It’s a double play. Out at 1st on Sac Bunt. OUT at 3rd on HBT thanks to Sloppy base runner occupation. 😂
Base coaches are useless these days
That was a crap video…SHOW us the freaking PLAY!
the celebration is really annoying.... LIke we get it... good job... take a chill pill my guy
No man, they just traded an opponent on 3rd for an Out by using their smarts. They earned their brief celebration..
Speak for yourself David. “WE get it” ?? no, I don’t get it so don’t say we. I’ve never pulled off a hidden ball trick in a regional game.
sad thing is.. that a trick like that is legal and even sadder yet is the fact that a team would have to resort to playing like that.. but oh well...thats clemson for you
Sad thing is runner was sloppy for not waiting until the pitcher was on the mound or rubber.
Yes it’s legal as long as pitcher is not on pitching mound.😂
Without the ball. #pitcher