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Asmongold CALLED OUT By PILAV!? - "BFA was FUN"
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- čas přidán 31. 10. 2020
- Asmongold watches a video by PILAV, who after leaving Classic WoW comes back to call out Asmon and the WoW community for always complaining about Shadowlands and the game in general, especially with the latest New Store Transmog. Asmongold explains why the criticism is absolutely warranted and comments about the Battle for Azeroth expansion...
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"Half of my family watched my video through his reaction" LMAO
Hahahaha like all of us do
yeah i actually starting to dislike the videos so youtube wont recommend this to me... i dont even have this channel subbed. but reaction videos can be helpful , but hurtful if its the same person doing it to the same person over n over.
I mean asmon is actually in the wrong side in this one. Yeah he can react to it, but he could wait, or at least dont post it 5min after on youtube. He probably earns more money reaction to a pilav video, than pilav earns in the actual video, and thats quite lame ngl.
@@vinhix and to make it even worse, Pilav doesn't even need the recognition..... and its a repeating pattern... had no idea he got more views on these reaction videos, than the originals... its messed up, poki talked on her content creators on youtube, and yes Asmon does have a say on how this God Aim posts his content. it doesn't have to be only from his own personal youtube channel... unless pokimane is wrong when she did the CZcams Collab video with Graham Stephan, but that video went into pretty good small details explaining the big streamers income .... luckly it took about 10 times of refreshing the main page, and disliking the videos... but it finally stopped showing up lol... like serious CZcams, SHOW MY SUBSCRIPTIONS ON MY MAIN PAGE!... kinda have to blame CZcams on this one... i also skipped asmons rants on everysingle one of those fucking 7min youtube reaction videos that he drags on for 30mins about a rant on stuff that REALLY DOESNT MATTER to the extent he makes it
@@vinhix other people post these videos of asmond, not him directly.
I love the dynamic between Asmon and Pilav - the calling out of eachother is superb entertainment, and you can see Asmon really enjoys talking about the subjects!
so true man, best wow duo ever!
@@xCxRxAxVxExNx absolute fact
InstaBlaster...
@@xCxRxAxVxExNx Good duo, yeah
BUT! The best duo is undoubtedly Asmon and McCool
Is pilav dead or what?
I love how Pilav was able to elicit genuine reactions out of Asmon instead of the typical streamer 'do it for the stream' reactions.
He acts like Asmon if Asmon was McConnell in this case.
Because Pilav is fucking stupid sometimes and its great
Well Pilav is narcissistic so not surprised that he finds ways to get reactions from Asmon
Because he actually cares about what Pilav is saying.
@@sbsftw4232 ^This. I like Pilav but sometimes his diatribes get old when he’s literally exhibiting behavior similar to what he’s “calling out”. Asmon has accepted how he acts and tries to respond honestly because Pilav challenges the norm and I think Zach likes that.
26:40 oh this aged well
KEKL
loll
Farming bgs for gladiator gear back in TBC was the best time i ever had in bgs. The incentive to try hard and grind was intense. Loved it!
the first time, sure... but the problem is, it never ends. Its always "grind this, then this then this then.. oh shit next expansion..."
Sammmeeee, for me it was Lich King. I was young and didn't have the attention span to reach max, until lich king. So when I finally got max first thing I did was run BGs farm out my gear and hit the arena. Ever since that ive been PvPing getting slightly better each xpack.
You didnt get the newest glad gear from BGs tho. You had to do 10 Arena games a week to get Arena points and you could buy only the gloves from it without high rating.
You could buy the old sets from previous seasons with honor points tho i think. Werent there also still the "badge of warsong" and stuff used for it tho?
Its been quite a while.
it sucks now in tbc classic
They need to replace Mizkif with Pilav
26:55 this didn't aged well
That's crap. I was super enthusiastic about BFA, was in an M raiding guild that did great, was having actual fun in Legion. Come BFA and my whole guild falls apart after finishing M Uldir, everyone is hating their classes, everyone is hating personal loot and feeling frustrated, Azerite happened, Absurd nerfs and buffs to abilities across the board every other week. BFA retired my guild and it wasn't out of boredom, it was due to frustration.
same exact thing happened to me, got almost every cutting edge except tomb with my guild in legion, we loved it and were having a blast. Then bfa comes around and we cleared mythic uldir and were like, well hopefully it gets better in battle for dazaralor. We somehow manage to get up to mythic jaina while we are hating the entire experience and finally decided to call it quits at jaina because everyone had enough of the terrible expansion. No ones logged on since
And then everyone clapped, fuck off lmao.
Didn't even do 8.1.5, 8.2 or 8.3 raid, first time the game burned me out. I would farm the mogs and mount in the next expac instead. Saw the mogs... had to laugh! So only have to farm N'zoth mythic in SL then from those two raids! By the time I did my daily rares and stuff I was done. Even gave up with leveling MY DK and druid did 0 quest outside of the elite posters! I just gathered ore, skinned dead mobs people left behind (after making sure they weren't a skinner), killed rares and picked up treasures. I would deliver elite quest (all of them) at 119. Guild fractured and only 25% were still raiding come 8.3. They got CE and didn't bother to rekill for mount drops. It was that bad this expansion:(
@@ShadowZeroFlame lol someone has an unhappy life, poor little guy
@@Finish303 ya this expansion drove more players away then any other. If they don't listen and correct things in shadowlands the game will truly die
"ZA BALDO" Made me burst out laughing holy shit
Holy shit, Pilav was out of touch with the League comparison.
LEAGUE ALWAYS HAS SOLD SKINS. WOW DIDN'T.
Yeah, I didnt get that comparsion either.. its free to play format where its very acceptable to have ingame store with cosmetics and stuff like that.
My thoughts exactly, LoL is free to play while WoW is base game + monthly subscription. Terrible comparison.
You and these two who replied to your comment totally missed the point. What he was trying to say was that skin doesn't mean anything and it's not affecting the gameplay whatsoever. And also that people never complained about new skin release in LoL. And now people in WoW are just finding yet another reason to cry and complain about how they are unhappy about the game or whatever when in reality they have the saddest life and fail to have fun. So to sum up, he wanted to say that if you want to play the game play it because you like it and because you enjoy playing it, it's not like someone's forcing you to play the game.
@@andrijaantic2235 and we make the point that with the amount of money we pay for sub + expansions wr should have access to ALL content and items! Adding store items is just disgusting in the business model that wow uses.
And yes we complain because we care about the game. People saying we should just stop playing instead of complaining are the exact reason why companies think they can pull off this kind of stuff...
The argument well it's always been that way is incredibly dumb. Something bad doesn't get excused simply because it has always been that way, I hope you see that a dumb argument.
Vulpera were added by the Venthyr in order to effectively torture Hellscream: "not in my Horde!"
12:49 Well that once has been PvP armor. You played PvP to become stronger in PvP. It took like 2 weeks to become fully geared with the default PvP-Set. After that you would enjoy doing battlegrounds because you'd stomp non geared players. Trying different classes was also pretty easy because getting the gear didn't take long. The incentivisation was just enjoying the game. No transmog, pet, mount rewards needed. Stuff like that is just a cherry on the top. When PvP itself isn't fun, like it was with scaling, players won't participate, despite cosmetic rewards.
That's why saurfang is a traitor he loves scaling and hates pvp
I’m sayin.
thats the essence of stoopz point about bgs, its that you used to go to bgs naked and eventually get your geared, now, you dont go to bgs, you go to M+ get the gear then go to bgs, even tho you do for fun it was better when you were doing bgs looking forward your gear, not going to bg with other place gear and not be able to get any good gear from bgs, big difference, Pilav is a moron, thats why his vid is kinda funny
I did everything during Cata, I hate how you now in order to PvP you suddenly need to do mythic raiding or M+ on said char to stand a chance. Make PvP gear for PvP so it's easy access. The only gear you need to start PvP is your leveling gear and you gear by doing BGs and arenas. Done. Is that so hard for Bliz to get?!
@@Finish303 exactly, most pvpers dont mind doing pve, but it used to be an option for mostly specific gear or simply bc you wanted to, they made it basically explicitly required for pvpers to do pve, why? prolly to keep subs up, at the cost of the players freedom of choice
Im usually on Pilavs side but store transmogs is a terrible idea.
His point is that wow has core gamebreaking issues meanwhile people care about store mounts. He didnt defend store mounts. He addressed overblown outrage.
@@goodreason3123 the game is so broken that the only people left are trophy hunters. Now blizzard are selling trophies. RIP wow
@@goodreason3123 I disagree. Way I see it is that the game has game breaking issues and top of it they released more microtransactions.
@@goodreason3123 Obviously people are going to exaggerate it. It's the straw that broke the camel's back. There's only so many times a company can f*ck you over before you snap. People have been playing this game for over 15 yrs. No duh they're going to be emotionally invested. Maybe you should channel your criticism towards the people activity f*cking over the game with anti-consumer practices.
Store mounts ok store transmog no? i dont see a problem
Remember that Spongebob episode where he goes into people's dreams and Patrick is just sitting on a seahorse ride for kids? Then Spongebob tries to convince Patrick there's way more he can do than that, and Patrick doesn't care? Pilav is peanut-sized-brain Patrick, and Spongebob is anyone wanting more from BGs.
Absolutely spot on
i love these "let's make game perfect with our feedback!" noobs) the game will NEVER be perfect. As long as it targeted different people. You want A, someone wants B. And you cant have everything that everyone will like. So shut the f up and play the game the way you enjoy and let others play the way they enjoy. Or dont play at all
Jesus dude, this is so well stated.
But in the end Patrick is living a very happy life and is having fun and he just doesn't care about anything else than that... so he is winning at life aswell
@@nemesisnidhoggr1468 Nah, there's no excuse at this point for Blizz not expanding on BGs features.
These two are most entertaining WoW players ever. Imagine the content with two of them just playing together, arguing and sperging out about anything and everything.
now, i need a 10 hours video of rextroy saying "hey guys"
No, we don't.
@@AICabal yes we do.
Pilav's videomaking strategy is to release a vid every three months and make as controversial as possible to make as much clicks as possible, so he can live off it for three months :D
Honestly I doubt they are monetized
As if he is making money from the videos.
Imagine being polite and still get demonetized, lmao.
At this point I want him to just make more spicy jokes.
@@tarapapi oh, I know brother, im from Ukraine :(
And it works. And let's be honest, his videos are dope!
Pilav taking clips out of context and just screaming sarcasm while laughing and calling other people toxic. Classic
madseason’s portion of the vid was actually in context, that’s all he says about current now lol
@@Fabriciod_Crv yeah i don't agree with Madseason video too, i think i stopped watching that half-way. He played too much Classic wow
@@LordFakeGodz the grand marshal grind rot his brain, rip
@@LordFakeGodz Yeah hirumaredx did a video on the subject of daily quests and basically said Madseason's video was shit.
@Krljavi Dzo Reborn Yay make sure to use mouth wash after the amount of bullshit you just spewed from your mouth.
Ok. seriously I legit summed up Pilav's video. It's "Criticism bad, guys". That' all.
@@Min-gy8zu Define crybaby, please. Asmongold has legit reasoning behind most of his criticisms. On the other hand, Pilav's reasoning was basically "Criticism is very negative and negativity is bad."
Pilav claiming he wants to ''get rid of toxicity in this community'' yet here he is making fun of how Rextroy talks, how Asmongold looks, and just straight up toxic vulgarity constantly towards people he doesn't agree with. I get that maybe it's supposed to come off as fun banter, but it's also hard to take the guy seriously when this is how it's handled
He obviously doesn't take himself seriously 90% of the time, so I find it pretty easy to not take him seriously. But I guess finding him annoying makes it easier, in comparison to someone who might find value in his content.
@@beginningoftheend1912 Totally fair point! But I feel like there's a line between how much sarcasm u should throw out there if you want people to genuinely take you seriously
People who enjoy the game dont post in forums or make videos about what they like.
People get loud when they're upset and want to complain
Pretty much, people on these communities are always the minorities
It feels like Pilav is playing the contrarian just for contrarian's sake
He's not being fake, he actually plays the game unlike 95% of the dipshits in asmon's chat
He means hes doing relevant content dont play dumb zzz
Not really? He makes very valid points and he's long said he still enjoys the game a lot.
And it's definitely a trend to complain about WoW now. Too many people are way too bored of the game and refuse to move on, they just stay and shit on the game. That's not the game's fault, at least not entirely.
@Estado Br then go do something else, if you are bored of the game. And when Blizz introduces something new in it people complain how it ruins the game, no matter if it is fun or not. Lots of "fans" have shitty life and are very vocal and everything is bad in the game, because they feel shitty IRL. It is just the game, you like it and play it or you don't and move on to something else.
@Estado Br 2.4k mmr in arenas and 5th in pve rankings vs farming 5-6 year old blue items in dungeons . Sure bro Asmon plays the gam alright.
Push for solo que battlegrounds. That would literally bring an absurd amount of people into WoW. If they implemented it correctly similarly to league of legends with roles etc, and rewards for receiving certain ranks it would be incredible.
so pilav crying about other people crying about the game what a classic
he's not crying, he's laughing at these sheeps
Pilav is a contrarian, guys, what did you expect?
It's actually amazing how many people can't see this. It's his schtick and he's damn good at making it funny.
.. and asmon will play semantics in order to sit on the fence over ANYTHING.
pilav is hardly a contrarian, if anything he's pretty chaotic in the sense that he really doesn't give a fuck about anyone's opinion as long as he has fun playing the game.
I'm pretty sure Asmon is unable to not take things too literally and personal, which is why Pilav is making the content the way he does since Asmon just can't see the play. All the subs in his chat simping on him, you should see the Pilav videos for what they are and are meant to be: pure entertainment.
Ah yes youtube drama...the purest form of entertainment. If you are a narcissist that is.
I really do agree. Having a good sense of humor and the ability to laugh at yourself is key.
SHUT UP BITCH
@@Neckromorph pilav took a giant sht on you and that is how you twerps cope
pilav took a giant sht on you and that is how you twerps cope
I watched the Pilav vid before Asmons reaction. Tbh, he didn't really make any points. His vid felt like a hollow shitpost.
It made the point that the problem is not WoW but the players. Basically, a retarded point, but a point nonetheless.
@@Javier-il1xi So he's saying the players should be happy that they're are getting shit served a plate and not complain so much? Wtf...
Asmon needs taking down a few pegs.
As someone that used to agree with Asmon and the CZcams takes 100% of the time I kind of agree with Pilav now. There's problems with Wow, 100%, but I have always done random battlegrounds and this idea that "we shouldn't do BGs if there's no rewards" really did resonate with me as someone that often does things that don't net a reward. I think there's a lot wrong with the game and we should complain, but about 50% of the complaining we do is habitual. I haven't felt -forced- to do a world quest for anything except gear/the occasional emissary since 8.1.
@@Evision5 while retail has its problems, a lot of them are exacerbated by the playerbase and also by streamers and content creators
There's also the negativity that happens around every bit of news and the transmog example is one of them
Don’t know who Pilav is, but he comes off as a contrarian...
Edit: Complaining does get more CZcams views, streaming is totally different. The viewers are already there while streaming... Sometimes Asmon has zero ability to think critically about a situation he doesn’t experience, but so do most people.
Pilav has made WoW vids for nearly a decade, and this is his usual self, except that he used to just do pvp content. He just makes funny shit now.
I would love to see a live debate with Asmon and Pilav
Asmon is totally right about cosmetics. The coolest looking players should have to do the most challenging content. Simple as that. The chase has to be significant otherwise you stop when the grind gets even a little too much.
In old wow did items have all the stats they had rn or was it just a unique item with static stats
In new and I played classic for a week before going back to other games
I think that stance when it comes to cosmetics is dumb, everyone knows the store items and think well this guy just spent money nothing cool about their cosmetic. The reasonable complaint is that it is content taken away from the game that we could otherwise have but in no way does it devalue other cosmetic items. Also, cool is subjective so the statement "The coolest looking players should have to do the most challenging content." is illogical because what classifies as looking cool?
@@ethan6627 you underestimate how many noobs paly wow and don't even recognize a store bought mount. Nonetheless it becomes a problem as it incetivizes blizz to save their best work for paid costmetics and use the scraps for raid and pvp reward. It makes grinding the content not as gripping and rewarding and makes me unsub much faster when I eventually lose interest as their is nothing I want to obtain of substance in game.
@@Phyllip21 there were a lot more stats in old wow, and no transmog, although transmog was a good addition. At some points in the past you could also alter the stats on your gear.
this didnt age well i guess
XDD
Pilav finally sold out to bigGaming
I just wish they would bring pvp gear back. It gave you a grind and when you finally capped your gear you were powerful and owned people. I don’t know why blizz won’t do it anymore. I had toons that were only pvp and some who were pve. I’m cool with that. I didn’t have to step foot in a raid and could grind bgs all day and be powerful enough to stand my ground.
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amen thissss
PvP gear sucked....
They removed it because people who started to grind gear later and lost fights in BGs complained about it. They wanted to compete even with less gear.
Pilav lit using 200IQ SJW arguments lmfao, you shouldnt talk bad about wow cuz well i have fun playing Bgs, so all of your complaints are invalid.
Ur as stupid as pilav lmao
@@drewj557 I don't really know Pilav but he made the impression that his only activity is having fun like a casual which is similar to what TheCrimsomCard Yugioh
said.
Do you even watch his videos? He just sees the big picture most of the time oh this new bad thing they added gonna affact the main reason we play wow like gameplay?no? Then why the hell you complaining
@@itsez1129 dont want to sound like i suck up to him but i think he goes hardcore most of the time
@@user-rd4wg3ds5v Sure I can imagine that as he is a content creator, but he didn't sound like that in this video.
The reason why negativity might seem more popular than positivity at times, is that when everybody agrees a mistake was made, the statement happens to resonate and blizzard has made a lot of fuck ups lately. same thing will happen with positivity the day they get their heads out of their ass.
"fuck tipsout", when even Pilav says it, welp...you get the idea lol
if pilav was right they would have 11.5 million subs like back in the day. not only 2 million
He is right, people are shitting over SL for no fucking reason, even tho its clearly going to be a better expansion than the last few, and even tho 90% of the things that made bfa bad dont exist is SL
Mmorpg is just a dying genre
@@-__--__-_-- thats the one !!! Spot on . People just can't open there eyes
@@bye6932 explain "for no reason", atleast give an example. People already know SL will be a better expansion than BFA. But does that mean we must not gave feedback (or complain in your point of view)
@@LordFakeGodz first, there isnt a day i dont see ppl go "SL is BFA 2.0 LUL KEKW" those guys exist and there are alot of them. Second is like when alot of people say the classes are "trash" and "borrowed power so bad base classes are dogshit". Meanwhile even in the prepatch all the specs i am playing feel pretty good and have solid rotations and i just cant wait to gain even more stuff on top of that, but people only listen to the same codes like"borrowed power" that are being thrown everywhere without even using their own brain
As they say: ignorance is a bliss. If pilav can get ignorant about the state of wow and just enjoy himself then good for him but sadly not everyone can do that
"Now everyone is expert on game development"
LISTEN.
I am not an expert helicopter pilot.
But if I see a 'copter, upside-down, stuck in some power lines, I do not need to BE an expert pilot to look at that, point, and say; "Dude fucked up."
Shop transmogs hurt the game a LOT. If you can just buy transmog from the store - why should Blizzard ever bother making actually decent in-game armor? Maybe in two expansions they'll just make tokens that you apply stats on transmogs. They'll make money from store transmogs AND make money saving by not paying artists.
Anyone ever noticed asmongolds eyebrows are like a visualizer for his voice? xD
Yeah it's almost like they're a part of his face
"Nowadays everyone's an expert in game development and-" It's alright, I've only been playing video games my entire life. What do I know about what works and what doesn't?
the fact that you only played the games. Just driving a car your whole life doesn't mean you have any clue on how everything works together.
You never developed anything, that's like saying you are expert in biology by watching discovery channel every day.
That take was so dumb it actually physically hurt.. Congrats?
@@BlackCloud2469 i dont need to know how to code a system into a game to know that system is fucking dogshit and will do nothing but harm the game... if blizzard said tomorrow they are removing mounts and decreasing run speed by 90% I dont need to know how they did that to know its fucking stupid and will kill the game... this is common sense, YES if you have been playing games like this for years then YES of fucking course you will start to get an understanding of what will work and what wont work within a game... I never made a game in my life but i can tell you right now if you try to make a game with nothing to do but walk in circles and call it walking simulator it isnt going to have much of a following... This is common sense dude
@@grimmreaper9005 People who played the game all the time are same ones that wanted pvp templates in legion and begged blizzard for it. Pvp participation that expansion was lowest ever. And I am not talking about some random scrubs suggesting them, it was highest lvl pvpers in the game.
Players only see content from one side of the coin, and often come up with unpractical and unfun solutions without even realising it.
Experience consuming the product doesn't give you insight in how games should work, at best it gives you insight of stuff you personally like. Also, examples you provided are most extreme ones possible, community clashes with blizzard a lot in small, opinion based stuff.
Also, giving feedback is a good thing, insisting you are right and harrasing developers so much that they stop talking with community is unacceptable. This is what Pilav was complaining about.
One thing Asmon has always been right about: Pilav is jealous. Of what you ask? Just about anyone or anything that doesn’t focus on him.
Also, while I hate the word “Simp,” does anyone else feel like Pilav simps for Blizzard? I mean, why, it’s almost like he gets free shit from them to defend them to the death.
Pilav sounds like he works at blizzard
Pilav doesn't have an indoors voice.
I dont follow Pilav but from his video that asmon watched it seems like he tries very hard to be funny or have opposite opinion as asmon just to get clicks or dráma. Few of Pilavs points are out of context and he seems very clueless about few other things.
Its more then likely just shitposting tbh or jebaiting asmon into reacting to it
@Macca McDonald i guess that's fair... a lot of people misjudge asmongold. I have watched Pilav videos though, tried to understand what people find appealing, and I have yet to figure out why it resonates with people. It's just not for me... like... it's one of the FEW things in life that I KNOW for sure.
@Macca McDonald That is why I said I don't follow Pilav... I don't know if he is joking or serious. You don't need to know someone to express your opinion about the video. What exactly I said is based on Asmons opinion? And no opinion is useless, its opinion. If anything your opinion is useless since you just commented without even reading the comment.
I think Pilav has a point. People are way too invested and too critical of a lot of aspects of the game. The expansion will come out, it will be bad or good, if you don't like it stop playing. But some people can't stop because it has been a part of their lives for so long, with so much time invested - and they become the harshest and most vocal critics. I wish the critics would become game devs or directors, for either WoW or their own games because it would be good for gaming in general. We'd get more games, better games, and a little bit less constant vitriol.
Pilav is just trying to stir the pot here. Hes taking everything everyone says at absolute face value and not hearing the deeper conversation. People are pissed at the transmog in the store because blizzard will start putting ALL of the unique transmogs in the store. Just like the effing mounts. BG's are fun for a little bit but anyone with ANY business sense knows there needs to be a sticking point. A reason to keep playing them. Fun will only take the majority of your community so far.
Have you even looked at the amount of unique mounts, or sets of items that we have gotten in BfA alone? It's not even remotely comparable to Blizzard putting one single new product on the store every 3-6 months. Get real.
Also, people who are complaining about the in-game store offering cosmetics, mounts etc. while putting down extra money for the Epic versions of the expansion, can absolutely suck my balls. That is peak hypocrisy right there. I don't know if you are part of that, but Asmon certainly is.
6:48 saying that while watching pilav destroying 2 hunters
I mean, bfa has been dogshit. Wonderful that pvp scaling is gone.
But burn the wow shop to the e-ground imo.
BFA hasn't been dogshit.
Fight me
Pilav is missing the point, and is the reason Blizzard can continue to get away with seeking Transmogs, mounts, Anything that should only be earned. I’ve never had more complaints about a change in a game I like before updates more than BFA, therefore, it sucked.
27:00, he said we will be okay.. "Rich Campbell"
Big "Stop complaining, just consume product and get excited for more product." consoomer energy from Pilav, ngl.
Just different mentally. Store cosmetics didnt affect his game so he doesnt care bit we worry about future
@@mort6578 That's a dogshit mentality. Even if it doesn't impact his fun in a negative way, objectivly bad systems need to be called out.
@@xAtNight Yeah maybe. Obviously its predatory but doesnt mean our opinion is above all else
@@xAtNight Objectively bad siystem? Yes - he actually mentiones them in the video (you should rewatch hit, he says for exmaple that class balance is fucked in the upcoming expansion) but being furious about a fucking transmog, thinking it will kill the game is just stupid. IT'S A COSMETIC, NOTHING MORE. This is not gamebreaking AT ALL. Y'all are being delusional. Have a look at literally every fucking game that sells cosmetics for almost decades, and then have a look at how hard it "destroyed the game". This is just silly. Asmongold has a point with his "paying 4 times to get the content" but it won't destroy the game in ANY way. Most likely, it will just give the publisher more money, that they can use on storeitems AND ingame items.
@@xAtNight The whole point of the video is a mentality that cosmetics destroyed the game. Which is just wrong if you took a second to watch it instead of typing your dogshit opinion you would understand.
26:36 Spoiler not okay anymore ;)
Pilav is fucking wrong. Shadowlands is looking like players are going to have to do their "daily pve bullshit chores" in order to stay relevant and maintain decently powerful characters. I'm sorry we're not all famous streamers who get free Pve carries to gear, but for the rest of us, we have to run mythics, do daily quests, and a bunch of other NON PVP BG shit in order to have fun in BGs.
Imagine if they were to implement a random fairy boss that spawns once or twice a week randomly in the world somewhere that would allow you to farm for the store bought cosmetic.
It's been a while since I played WoW, but this guy saying he "only" did daily quests for 4 months after the last patch seems weird to me. Did you really have to do them for that long to cap your azerite gear or whatever it was?
You didn't have to but every bit helped at the time. When you get 3k azerite for 4 World Quests and 2.5k azerite every 10k rep after exalted you don't pass on that.
Everything Pilav is saying here is true. There is so much whining about wow it's crazy. I can barely get through a Preach video anymore because it's constant whining half the time. One video he's complaining about how covenant abilities are imbalanced and not good, the next he's complaining that Blizzard are changing the covenant abilities.... in a beta no less. Like wtf? Like does anyone actually enjoy WoW anymore, or do they just play it now because they turned it into their job?
You're right. It's unbearable watching a preach video anymore. It's only about the systems and numbers with him now. Ever since Ghost and him parted ways it feels like he lost his passion for the game. He hasnt made a new legacy video in so damn long. He used to do transmog competitions long before Asmon did as well. Preach just runs mythic+ and raids and whines about something that affects the top 1% and nothing else.
@aetas exculta inaudita I don't think the covenant system is the best system, there are issues with it, my point is that Preach will complain about the covenants and will then also complain that Blizzard is changing the covenants to try and make them better and balance them. Like what does he want? Of course feedback is good and we all have a right to complain if we're paying $15 per month to play and paying for the expansions, but I do agree with Pilav that it seems to be "cool" to complain about WoW.
I just wanna say here. Even if pilav spend 6 weeks editing a video. I probably won’t watch it tho. It’s the commentary I care about. Same goes for most video. I couldn’t care less about the content. Just asmongold commentary on his point of view. But that’s just me.
you miss the point than if you care only what asmongold has to say
@@space.pirate481 if i miss the point then so be it lmao, i watch videos and ppl who i resonate with. This doesnt mean ive never watch pilav video before. I have, and i find it boring. its that easy. If it wasnt, the story would had been different. Keep trying to stir up as if i only listen to this one man asmongold lmao.
I never cared about achievements or cosmetics, all I did when I used to play retail was bgs, and arenas, playing to get better, to get the conquest pvp gear and smash people. Pvp for a long time was the most fun thing ever, as soon as that went away after WoD, I lost interest at all. Super excited with Classic and can't wait for BC.
Yeah random bgs were fun as fuck in wod. Most classes were fun to play as well, shame it was a barebones expansion, it had the biggest potential out of any of the other expansions, imo.
I get this as recommended but not Pilav's video XD
Rip reckful much respect to a legend
38:29 I saw that, Mr. OneTesticle. I got eyes so good, call me Ray Charles.
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League of legends --> Free to play --> It depends on gamers if he/she wants to donate game.
Work of Warcraft --> Pay to play --> We are paying a lot of money to pay it, so the in-game shop is totally wrong from my point of view.
I disagree since the in-game shop is purely for extra stuff that has no impact on the game whatsoever. ( I'm just talking about cosmetics stuff and maybe server transfers , I strongly believe race , name changes etc. should be available with gold aswell ). When you buy a car you don't get all the options do you , but the car is perfectly functional. When you buy cable , you don't get all the channels do you , but you get exactly what's in the contract right ? When you buy a phone you don't get the highest memory available do you ? In all these examples you get what you paid for but you have the option to pay more money for extra stuff. I really don't get why you see this shouldn't apply to wow aswell. Is anyone forcing you to buy the cosmetics ? Do the cosmetics make you better at the game or give you any sort of advantage ?
you either quit wow or you become so jaded you become a shill
rip shillav
Or...you can like the game yet criticize it’s clear issues...
That’s what I’m doing. Asmongold is also doing it
Or asmongold who injectd heroin and compains about the quality of the heroin on every stream.
21:48 None of the 4. The tweet was about a reliable feedback community being trashed by blizzard. Magdalena was a member of a closed community that provided feedback and insights to wow devs in order to make the game better, it was an unpaid quality department within blizzard development atmosphere. But hey, what some streamer know about game development, product quality, constructive feedback right?
FYI: Blizzard fired more than 800 employees per week last year when they shut down their product quality departments. Yes, blizzard SHUT DOWN their Product Quality Department, which is why they are using the "early access" approach, so they can add more work into GMs that are their equivalent of a Product Support Department, so now instead of regular GM job of gathering support tickets from players, these support tickets just got almost 300% increase since they shut down the PQ and on top of that the GMs are also in charge of handling forum feedback (or is it forum complainings?). So basically blizzard tripled the ammount of work over night for the GMs, also doubled up their contract assignments, for the same payment.
"Hey, look we got some news for you, your work just increased by around 500% but you're not getting any raises. I expect a full report on my mailbox by friday. Cheers"
There are ppl complaining about blizz just for the sake of complaining because the company fucked up so hard that their fanbase is now raging against them so the random retards just toss more fuel to the fire for the sake of watching it burn, I know it, you know it, everybody knows it. But Pilav saying that everyone is a random retard that only loves to complain is unfounded.
today at least 50% of gamer are tedious casuals...
and some men too...
Pilav is shilling for blizzard even when blizzard is asking for feedback, what a tool. but he has a point though, i mean bfa is not perfect but we all played it lol
no, not all.
I had fun, Loved BFA from the begining. I was little dissapointed by the nyalotha buildup. I just got hyped you know. But it was fun. Every raid tier had great mechanics and it was really memorable.
i just wish t bfa wasnt sooo time gated. otherswise id love it tbh
Was the most I've played of a single expansion since MoP. Wasn't particularly good but it was better than WoD and MUCH better than Legion.
@@j000z4 So much better than Legion.
He's right, however every former Blizz employee left the company. All that left is brand, and the game is shit, some classes have such an insane weaknesses, and nothing to compensate, it's like playing "half" a spec.
BFA was great. I had time to farm all transmog items from Classic, BC, WOTLK, Cata and WoD. Really all, every single one I could still get my hands on. That was a pretty successful expansion for me. That was the way BFA was thought to be played right?
Talking about negative things in a game you love in hopes that it will improve due to your feedback = unneeded toxicity. Okay pilav whatever you say buddy.
Imagine taking anything Pilav says seriously lmao
BEING LOUD IS BEING FUNNY!!!!!!!! ARE YOU LAUGHING YET!!!!!!
You can buy store cosmetics with gold.
The sheer amount of mounts you can get easily in-game, does not reduce the cool factor of Al'ar.
I absolutely agree with Pilav on this. People say bad things about wow only to get "social points". When you dont like doing this and this in wow then just dont do it. Everyone likes different things. Its not possible to make everyone like everything in the game. But people just like to talk shit. I personally enjoyed bfa so much. There were things i didnt enjoy but i just simply didnt do them and did things that are fun(arenas, m+, visions etc)
Love my dude Pilav , he got me into playing fury aggressively , watch asmon every day. Think pilav was correct in most points , while asmon did point out bg's arent filled correctly and such. Just wanted to say your response's to some people videos is becoming more and more positive and I feel more inclined to finish a 5min video or a 40min video by you. :)
Hi Asmon,
You clearly once said in one of ur streams that you allowed cat danny and others to use ur stream content at their will because u didnt feel the need to make money out of youtube neither u were interested in making youtube.
Well, that being the case, Ive been thinking, werent there any way to publish ur reaction videos on the original source accounts? I talk against my self man, i actually rather watch your reactions than from their original source, i can watch both a like a lot at the same time. But in certain way, I cant stop feeling like I should be supporting the original content creators that i follow for so many years... You have been accused of canibalizing the WoW content in a certain way, even tho I aknowledge that u dont have to give a fuck about it cause afterall the reactions are YOUR content.
Im a viwer that rarelly spek in chat and probably the first time i write something on ur youtube page but I guess the main reason im taking this time to write you is because of this feeling I get that im disrespecting the main content creator you are reacting too.
Been watching u for a long time, and i would bet u thought about a solution to this "problem" already, mind just a subscriber speak out his mind, even tho i might not be seeing the full picture.
I also take the oportunity to wish OTK great success and keep the streams rolling :D
Thank you for the content :)
Cat dany and 1 other guy is in charge of asmongold tv
@@Xinamon98 aw cool, didn’t know that...
Just watch the original video, like, and subscribe.
Truth is, people who watch asmongold's reaction, likely wouldn't watch the original video. They only watch it because asmon is. I don't think he's stealing any views. If anything, he might artifically provide some to that channel.
The problem with Pilav is that he doesn't understand these decisions take wow down a slippery slope into complete failure of the game, of which there are plenty of examples in the MMO scene. Nothing and I mean absolutely nothing should be exclusive on the store - you pay like $300+ an expansion over it's life cycle per person. There is absolutely no reason to make stuff exclusive to an in-game store other than pure greed.
Dude who mostly plays battlegrounds which have not changed for 12 years thinks BFA is fine.
Litterally every comment I saw on the 16th anniversary was people bitching because they didn't GET the new transmog cloak, but had to BUY it... Even though they got the 200 Timewarped Badges that was needed to buy it >.<
And then people were also whining because the 100% rep bonus was taken away (even though we've had it for 2 entire months)...
Different things are important to different people, which means that someone will complain about every change they make. And it surely doesn't help when streamers and youtubers promote this behaviour by complaining about minor things such as cosmetic rewards for a 6 month sub or other pointless things.
It's just going to be like "The boy that cried wolf", where constructive feedback is no longer taken serious, because people bitch and moan about everything.
Last time I was this early asmon still had hair
Haha bald haha pepega
if i could grow a hair back for eveytime i saw this comment.....
HAHAHA GET IT ASMON IS BALDING HAHAH IM DEAD
😭💯
@@McconneIIRet no way that’s not McCoool I’m shaking and sharting right now
7:20 out muscle memory the muscle memory.
if you know a paladins counter to charge is HoG, then spell reflect on your charge is a counter to that and only the fastest reacting paladins should pay attention.
Every new expansion raids get new gear sets and achievements/titles along with them. They need to add these new seasonal progressional rewards to give people incentive to farm it. Stoopz was right. They need to invest so much more rewarding into PvP not just old titles which everyone already has.
I mean.. Heelvsbabyface turned his channel into a hate channel.... Look how good he's doing.
spoiler: He's not.
is baby face actually losing views?
@Jacob Kimble He hasn't always been a hate channel. He really didn't start full sending it until WoD... Before that his channel was growing like crazy... since then his channel has simply maintained. Loosing a shit ton of followers in WoD and Legion, then gaining no traction since then. Simply maintaining almost the exact same number of subs over whole sale years after the drop off.
A stagnant business is not a succeeding business.. It's just one that's keeping the lights on.
We're at the point where people are complaining about an expansion that isn't even out yet.
We have enough info on shadowlands to get an idea of what will work and what will suck at this point. Some valid points made here, and also some pretty dumb issues.
I enjoyed current WoW for 2 weeks, granted I didnt last in wow classic for more than 2 months due to my poor choices of a priest in a pvp server, but everything (besides garrisons and PvP) were not memorable at all. Whereas Deadmines, Teldrassil, that one dungeon in dun morogh when I got there on my Paladin while leveling it and it was pretty fun, finding a warrior when leveling and got my first 3 pvp kills (im a bad person, I know), etc.
But PvP in Current was super dope, but when that was all I was playing for it just couldnt keep me in the game.
It was super memorably, whereas nothing stands out well in Classic due to it either not being super amazing, or just being unconsequential (such as leveling, where I just kinda went wherever not really caring, and spaming dungeon finder while afking in my garrison for levels.)
Is this strange that i agree with Pilav like 90% of the video?
Why do you even sign up as DPS-HEALER-TANK for Random BG's when you 90% of the times are without any healers or tanks, while the other team has 1 tank 2-3 healers?, Also Asmon made a fair point in another video about the Transmorg, YOU are paying Blizzard to make a transmorg set that you can buy, so you are basically buying it twice.
@@Min-gy8zu What makes you think i am going to get upset over that? If you are fine paying blizzard to make content you need to pay for twice then that's fine, but for you to say that its the same as paying blizzard to make content for me to play and get rewarded for doing it is just sad :'( Imagine watching a movie you paid full price for, and you need to pay to start the movie, and pay to uncensore the movie and you also need to pay to be able to see actors faces. Same thing.
It's not like I get other stuff ingame for free. Everything costs time. I don't know how many hours I wasted on farming certain mounts and this isn't fun time either. I do not enjoy running through ICC for a certain amount of time every week with multiple characters.
@@JSmellerM Then why are you doing it? For the reward, obviously. To get the item you're farming for. I know everyone memes on the "Sense of pride and accomplishment" line from EA, as they should, it does have some merit in certain scenarios. I played EQ for years. The first 2 real raid bosses were on like 1-week timers. They were lootable by whichever guild got there first or got there second but could do 51% the damage needed to kill it. I feel like an old man talking about "back in my day" but it was super exciting to be in a desperate fight for rare resources in order to progress your character.
If you pay for a game there's an expectation that all of the content available will be accessible by paying that price. (@li li your point about having to work for items making people mad is so ridiculous I actually laughed at it. Everyone, save for the whales, know you'll have to interact with the game, and its systems, in order to gain what's available from it. That's how games work. Otherwise, it would be "Barbi's First Fashion Show" where all the costumes are unlocked just by purchasing the game, or some shit. It's reasonable to assume no one will be upset by your "revelation" as it's completely unrelated to the topic everyone else is discussing.)
If it's a free-to-play game, that's totally different. The only way that game can be free is by selling something. I don't care if they sell cosmetics to make money. Those games usually focus on the gameplay anyway. WoW's gameplay loop is strictly about gaining items, skills, or reputation for your character. The competition is almost wholly against yourself. You have to overcome your ability to master the mechanics, spend the time, and patiently endure long camps. That's all there is to it. It makes sense that Pilav has a different perspective if he's primarily a PVP player. Which is the only part of the game that's not just about bettering your character, even though character betterment is a reward for PVP. He's playing for the competition against others as his goal. To be the very best, like no one ever was. Not to complete a character by gaining all the BiS items, that amazing transmog, and epic mount collection. He wants to wreck da noobs. Those two goals don't align completely.
So, if you're climbing a mountain and 20 vertical feet from the top your paid guide stops you and says, "In order to reach the summit you'll need to pay an extra price on top of what you already spent to get here, what you paid me, what you spent on climbing gear, and all the time you took to learn how to climb and get here." It is frustrating. They are withholding part of the reward from you that you're paying hundreds of dollars for. I don't think it's unreasonable to expect everything offered by the game to be attainable with that price. I think if they made it so that you could buy certain transmogs and mount but still offered them through in-game actions it wouldn't be so bad. It would be less insulting to those who've paid and played for years and years. (I'll fully admit I may be alone on that last part but I feel it would be a better solution than just, ya know, keeping it behind a paywall.)
@@fictionmyth The thing though is everything you described doesn't fit. Currently you only get stuff where there isn't another version of it in the game if you don't count some mounts but those mounts aren't even hard to get like that sky terror you literally got for draenor pathfinder. In you analogy you talk about climbing a mountain and then having to pay extra to reach the summit. In Blizz's case however you would have to buy access to the mountain first and be immediately at the top. So there is no sense of achievement. You still feel the achievement though after getting something rare in the game. And those things can't be bought.
@@JSmellerM Farming is one of the points i love games like this, i farmed something in Diablo for over 650 runs and when i got it i actualy felt something :)
I think there is complaining and being negative and then there is constructive criticism. I think overall the WoW community tends to lean towards pure complaining and negativity which hurts the ability for the developers to get actual concise, comprehensive and meaningful feedback. I think overall the game would be in a better state if more people in the community gave constructive and thoughtful criticism on gameplay features. The player base is very good at identifying what gameplay features they like or dislike but are unfortunately horrible at understanding the reason for their response and even worse at articulating that feedback to Blizzard so they can improve and iterate on the game.
Gee I wonder why Pilav is having fun in BG's. Farming freshly level capped people wearing, maybe at best, WQ gear from emissaries. Putting everyone on freefarm because the only way to get useful gear is to either be gladiator, do M+15's, or do mythic raiding. Aka three things 99% of the playerbase doesn't do. Want people playing BG's again? Then give people a fair PvP vendor system and make PvP gear best in slot for PvP content. In shadowlands they just give you a shitty vendor with weak gear that PvE gear is still better than.
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last I checked, runescape does sell cosmetics in a store. just not directly. you can get them from oddments, which you can get from treasure hunter, which you can buy keys for more tries.
Asmon's right on this once.
You should wait a day or two upload reaction videos. Just so everyone who subs to those creators actually watches it before the react video comes out.
That is what they typically do already.
@@galakros You can actually report video's that use your content and have the money from that video redirected to yourself.
@@boozie773 Doesn't seem like it. From what I've seen it usually takes about 1 hour from whenever amongold reacts to it. Rather than waiting an extra day depending on when the video was uploaded.
@@user-ec6ej4dp6t abusing copyright isn’t a healthy way of dealing with the issue imo. I think that Asmon reaction should also be paid through the view-count of his community, set a day or two between the original upload and the reupload of his reaction solves both problems : (in this case) Pilav would have made his views through his community and after, Asmon could get his without disturbing a channel that make his revenue off CZcams. Seems fair to me
@@user-ec6ej4dp6t No, because most of the time Asmon's falls under Fair Use.
Pilavs comparison to league was such a straw man argument. You can't say it's the same thing because it doesn't cost anything to play league of legends, you only have to pay for cosmetic items. While in WoW, you have to pay for the base game, the new expansion every 2 years and a subscription. And because we pay all of that, we deserve to have the more exclusive mounts which are the store mounts to be prestigious ingame rewards instead, and not behind a paywall.
finally someone calls out the cringe fiesta anniefuchsia did. no one dares to talk about her stupid accuses but pilav is our lord and saviour. it was so cringe seeing her between all these womans who suffered for real from sexual abuse and then she comes and tries to convince us that flirting is sexual abuse lmao gtfo outta here.
Pilav is taking everything out of context just to prove his poor points...
Imagine taking a Serbian, who is not Nikola Tesla, seriously.
Imagine having IQ higher than a mice xD
Serbs Mad Serbs Mad
Why mad cuz u dumb xD?
Serbs Mad Serbs Mad
BFA was fun, until 8.1 when Blizz decided to give Alliance players extra rewards just for existing. I pretty much quit playing after that. Only coming back to play for a week or two at a time before getting bored. 8.3 was at least fun for a few months fiddling around with corruptions and what not. Then 9.0 came out and I'm bored again.
PILAV is just a WoW Whiteknight he always have been he may say some things that is logical but 80% of the time he shills for WoW and not have a creative perspective.
Playing in a world of fantasy that includes bird people, fish people, walrus people, cow people etc. Has mounts of all variation that you strive for like a rainbow fire bird (Ashes) or a giant bumble bee🐝 . All while playing a human character with anime hair.
And then saying - “Pandas are fucking dumb.” I guess I just never understood that conclusion. You’re playing as a chill ass bear with an asian culture and an affinity for beer 🍺. I get that Blizzard drew inspiration from a very tiny part of Warcraft, but to say MoP wasn’t an enjoyable expansion is silly. It had some of the coolest zones in WoW history and the lore/questing is just so much more relaxed than the all out constant war theme of other expansions. I personally loved that aesthetic and love playing my panda monk. It’s a video game ffs, not everything has to be menacing and brooding. Don’t get me wrong, I love my warrior and smashing faces, but not all the time.
Small part of the video, but it’s a pretty constant complaint about WoW’s history.
I completely agree with you, why are pandas dumb but cows aren't? It's such a dumb thing to state "Pandas are dumb." as a fact, simply because you don't like that race, I hate playing humans I don't go saying "Humans are dumb." as a fact.
@@ethan6627 yeah I guess everyone’s entitled to their own opinion. But most people who say they hate the pandas have no real reasoning for it, besides the fact that they think it affects their tough, brooding Warcraft aesthetic. But yeah, I think Humans look good in the game, but kinda unimaginative to play.
@@itsChrisUlmer I think it's fine to have the opinion pandas are dumb in WoW but I hate when people go around acting like it should be anything more than there own opinion
@@ethan6627 agreed