The Rings of Power: D.O.A. | Criticizing Amazon's DISASTER Is a Threat to Our Democracy?
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- Amazon's ABOMINATION known as The Rings of Power has been a MASSIVE loss for the corporation. How much? Time will tell. It has also been the frontlines of the Pop Culture War of late. Delivering a catastrophic loss to the activist Access Media. The damage control and cope has just begun. The good news is we won't see a season 2 for over 2 years. By then, this show will be lost in the void. In this video we cover the single worst defense of this show since it was announced.
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Amazon: "It's impossible to know what Tolkien would have thought"
Tolkien: "I despise allegory and want my characters as they are"
Amazon: "Impossible to know"
It is clear that when he said "I despise allegory", it was an allegory. He actually meant "I LOVE allegory". We have literate professors and you don't matter as you're not a professor! And as you don't matter, stop talking!
Ugh, I almost feel sick.
More like the fans: This is what Tolkien wrote.
Amazon : For the billionth time since we told you this was going to be a brand new adventure based on the characters Tolkien created in The Hobbit and LOTR. We dont have the RIGHTS to do what you guys who lack any working knowledge of copywrite law want, plus we already have a billion dollar price tag. LOL
He was an etymologist as his profession. We know exactly what he thought. An example would be look up the definition of ELF. The etymological true definition.
We hail thee and invite thee to Join us for our counter ROP series. Mae G'ovannen! Now the evidence is clear, and none can deny that "ROP" is not of Tolkien. Take heart for our EXSURGE TOLKIEN that makes robustly clear the heresy of Tolkien's Canon displayed out of the showrunner's mouths and hearts. They probably know nothing of Tolkien's masterpiece, as evident from their interview in the Vanity Fair Article. For "they who proclaim to loveth Tolkien, yet understandeth, not his world view can neither hope to create a new film, show, or series of his secondary world." "Auta i lóme!" and" Aurë entuluva!"
@@mikelachey824 imagine simping for a billion dollar badly written fan fiction
Not being allowed to criticize Amazon is the DEATH of democracy.
Democracy died in 1945 dude
HEY! multi-trillion dollar corporations need protecting! it is the duty of everybody to ensure our great and noble leaders at Amazon continue to milk the human race of every red cent they make and for them to be grateful about it!
@@manoz6194 maybe it was a fantasy all this time?... And people are realizing it now with internet... and that's why all the talks about this "disinformation, fake this or that," that almost everyone uses to discredit people and things?
Including the government that is promoting the "protect you from desinformacion" on your behalf, without asking for your consent? nah man... you are crazy... none of those happens
@@manoz6194 That’s Deep actually…
In the US, we don't actually have democracy, never did. What little control we ever had is diminishing and will soon be gone. History is a circle and we all know where it's leading.
"If it was a good show none of this would matter." 100% facts.
If they decided to make their own story without dragging in Tolkien and cherry picking from his work there wouldn't be this big backlash.
@@karenhall4645 Last time I saw this kind of people create something from scratch, it was just as bad as this series, plus the characters were ridiculous trainwrecks with no redeeming factors. Kind like Rings of Power, granted, but they used existing successful stories to try and make it appetible. Another massive failure, as it was foreseeable.
This isn't talked about enough. Why didn't Amazon hire talented creatives for a billion dollar show???
Disinterest in the core fan base of LOTR is just the turd on top of a shit sundae.
I love the part about how we as fans 'shut down conversation' and 'reject all other interpretations' when that is what they've been doing this entire time. classic projection.
So glad the Tolkien fandom actually has the balls to stand up against this cultural vandalism that has consumed so many franchises before.
It’s a bridge too far for us, and they have truly messed up by attempting to taint it.
cultural vandalism.
We need people making laws against this. Protect culture from decapitaion by corporations
@@FDJUwe unfortunately most governments, especially in the West, have already been co-opted by the same people (WEF).
Ruined Series: Halo, Wheel of Time, Rings of Power, Star Wars, Terminator, Marvel, The Matrix…soon to be Indiana Jones and Willow.
(Edit) what did I miss?
@@samuelaritan3766 Ghostbusters ?
Critical thinking threatens democracy?
Well, that explains our education system nicely.
The far right threatens democracy, but keep fandom as it should be
@@maxmazzotti6651 uhh..... did you meant to say something else or your writing is just terrible?
yeah i just cant wrap my mind around this shit. My brother is a liberal democrat...and also a huge Tolkien fan. He thinks Rings of Power is absolute shit. Guess he's a far right liberal democrat fascist now? lol.
There is like two 100 yo in Alabama that are “far right” everyone else that gets that label is just normal. They are only viewed as “far” by left because the left is traveling light speed away from normal.
Sssh we are not supposed to think critically. We are supposed to consume.
This is the Second Age. How much of this did we see in RoP?
Celeborn and Galadriel traveled first to Lindon, where they ruled over a group of Elves as a fiefdom under Gil-galad, the High King of the Ñoldor. Sometime later, they had a daughter, Celebrían. They moved eastward and established the realm of Eregion, or Hollin, which they ruled under Gil-galad. Eregion, to the west of the Misty Mountains near Khazad-dûm, was a prosperous kingdom during this time, and had open trade with the Dwarves. Also, during this time, they made contact with a Nandorin settlement in the valley of the Anduin, later to be known as Lothlórien. Subsequently, when Celebrimbor took over the rule of Eregion, Galadriel left by way of the mines of Khazad-dûm. After the death of King Amdír, in the War of the Last Alliance, and the departure his son Amroth, Celeborn and Galadriel became the Lord and Lady of Lothlórien.
In the Second Age, the Maia Annatar, "Lord of Gifts", guided Celebrimbor and the other Ñoldor of Eregion in the creation of the Rings of Power. *Galadriel had immediate distrust in Annatar, which was later justified when he was revealed to be Sauron* Galadriel counseled Celebrimbor in the hiding of the rings, and when Eregion was attacked, she was entrusted with one of the Three Rings of the Elves. Her ring was Nenya, the Ring of Water.
Conscious of Sauron's power, and wishing to thwart it, she did not use the powers of her ring as long as the One Ring was in Sauron's hands. However, during the Third Age, when the One Ring was lost, she put it to good use protecting the borders of her realm, for the powers of her ring were protection, preservation, and concealment from evil.
See, I haven't ever read any of Tolkeins works, and only viewed RoP through CZcamsr reviews, and just this little exerpt I would have rather seen. It is way more interesting than anything the series had to put fourth and should have been more the focus. Thanks for sharing!
According to the showrunners, "We start every day in the writers’ room with a Tolkien quote, and we’re always reading it, constantly. And then, we go in all kinds of different directions to figure out how we’re gonna connect the dots of these different stories that Tolkien gave us." More appropriately they should have started the day with something like. "You can put lipstick on a pig, but it's still a pig."
So they may be trying, then unfortunately they lack talent
"We want to write the story Tolkien never told."
Yes, because he knew better. That comes with talent.
Let's be honest, there are almost infinite stories that Tolkein didn't tell.
Most aren't good, and almost all aren't LotR compatible.
What they MEAN to say is "we want to tell the story Tolkein would've told if he were around today", but they know this isn't that, and their subconscious won't let them tell that lie.
and no body wants to watch lmao
@@michaelsorensen7567 what they MEAN to say is very clear. Just as clear as every "reveal" they slapped onto that show.
The issue is: it was laughable and disrespectful when they said it. It was hilarious when we saw what they produced.
I'm not sure there are many fantasy authors that would have the gall to say what they said-even good ones.
But man, if you're going to come out with a statement like that, at least produce something that isn't atrocious.
@@michaelsorensen7567 Personally, I think what they meant, but never said, was "we want to write OUR story but we know that, with the amount of effort we're willing to commit to it, it's going to mediocre at best, so we're attaching Tolkien's name to it in order to coast on his timeless success, because we clearly don't have the talent, skill, or dedication necessary to create anything even remotely close to his great work which not only defined an entire genre but also impacted creative writing as a whole, and as such we can only attach ourself to it like a leech, not only causing serious harm to his image and that of his creations, but also preventing any better adaptations from being made in the near future, as everyone will now get a bad taste in the mouth every time someone mentions Tolkien or his life's work".
But that is quite a mouthful, so "the story [he] never told" is just so much easier to say.
@@PerkulatorBenny that's definitely the outcome, but I seriously doubt they had the self awareness to think through that.
About time a fandom stood their ground and showed these activists what they think about them
"About time"?
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@@hellacoorinna9995 These fans will lick up whatever slop gets put out by *insert big name studio here* in two years when the rights change hands
@@Ktmfan450 It just irks and amuses me, that some LOTR fans, were crowing about "fighting back", when they're just as much up shit-creek as the rest of the fandoms.
The show still got made, they (the shpw-runners) are screeching "istsphobes!" jast as they do with Dr Who, Star Wars, Star Trek, etc..
And what are the gallant defenders of Tolkien doing?
Bitching online and giving negative reviews. Same as everyone else.
Some of us refuse to watch this garbage. In other words, BOYCOTT.
Garbage in, garbage out.
Ive got better things to do. I gave ROP a chance for 3 episodes. It put me to sleep!
The critics show short clips and roast them. So the short clips are far more tolerable with a little sarcasm and roasting added in. It's much better entertainment!!
Check out Gandolf's roasts!
Why doesn't anyone ever mention the fact that Tolkien was an etymologist?
The Etymology definition of Elf is WHITE BEING. That's the original true meaning. And he used Etymology in all his descriptions to prevent this bastardization.
Only a threat to our democracy would tout that its a threat to our democracy to criticize them
"every retelling is an adaptation and you can't make them word for word faithful"
We know that. There is amount of that that's acceptable.
However you can't do things like killing off Arwen's grandfather before her mother was ever born so that you can create romantic tension between Galadriel and Sauron.
If Tolkien's work empowers racist far-right power structures, why are they so desperate to have their ideas associated with his name? They wear Tolkien's works like a crown jewel, hoping his brilliance will blind others to their greed. Instead the light has revealed what twisted and pathetic creatures they are.
Also, I loved all the Tom Shippey clips.
Sarumans 2.0
Well said!
It is crucial to pervert (subvert the expectation) the works in the eyes of the new generation. In their minds it is suppose to be the "Rings of Power". Just like Star Wars, Marvel etc.
Was that a deliberate reference to Morgoth wearing the stolen Silmirilians in his crown?
@@brendancoulter5761 Get laid
A bad workman blames his tools.
A bad show blames its audience.
You got to give it to the writers. They've legitimately made Sauron the most likeable and sympathetic character in the whole show. Also the biggest protagonist has been turned into the lead antagonist... how incredibly bad have you got to be to manage this? Sauron... Sauron the personification of evil in Tolkien's work is the one everyone likes. If they don't rapidly change Galadriels persona or remove her from the lead role I don't see how anyone can really get behind this series.
*Well Sauron abandoned evil for a time after the War of Wrath after he fled the Valar and went to Rhun ~* 😂
I have a friend who loves the ROP series. She texted me the other day asking if I saw how epic episode 7 was. I must now figure out how we became friends in the first place.
Some decent cgi, that's it.
Professor Tolkien was a genius. ROP is the exact opposite. It is a turd that will disappear down the great Anduin of oblivion.
I have a friend who finished episode one of ROP and she was worried about not knowing the story as she hasn’t read The Silmarillion. Told her “Neither has Amazon so don’t worry about it.”
The Silmarillion reads like a fusion between a dictionary and a phone book. Not unreadable, but close.
The Silmarillion??? Amazon hasn’t even watched the movies, let alone read any of the books.
@@sands201 They likely did watch the movies, considering how many scenes are straight out stolen from them. And done worse.
@@malcontender6319 I really don't understand how people think that. I love the silmarilion and read/listen to it every year. 😆
Under rated comment. I wish I could like it twice.
Nice lisp there, Nerdrotic, they don't do themselves a favour by cornering their audience like that, bad for business such a strategy is!
The fact that they saw this coming during production, even before people started to criticise it, proves that they knew what they were doing from the get-go. They're all raging sociopaths.
Someone needs to criminalize them so they'll stop thinking they can get away with it, without consequences. They should be held financially and criminally responsible for this money laundering scheme and their crimes against entertainment.
People ALSO criticise House of the Dragon before it came out. Then it came out decent and they shut up and even praise it/review it positively. Because it is GOOD. If RoP was good, even just watchable, it would have been accepted. People criticise The Hobbit. But it IS watchable. And canon. And many like it. Lesser work and overstretched as it is.
@@xhagast astute observation. this is what i've been saying. if the show just had a single redeeming quality of a good show it would be praised. but it's bad writing, bad dialogue, bad storyline, and mediocre acting.
Absolutely correct. They know that woke doesn’t sell, but they will do anything to push their radical liberal agenda, even at the expense of viewers and destroying true art.
@@xhagast ...I wouldn't go so far as to say House of the Dragon is good...in my frank opinion it's mediocre at best. It lacks the same clever writing and soulful characters of Game of Thrones. I'm of the belief that people say it's good because...well...everything else of the fantasy genre on TV these days is trash. It's good by comparison. However...Rings of Power...Amazon is like the demon from the Exorcist. It invaded Tolkien's world and pushed aside it's very soul so it could have control. It's a fake...just wearing the face of something we love but we can all tell it's an imposter...just spinning it's head around and criticizing us for not blindly enjoying whatever it pukes up at us...
The fact alone that house of dragons is getting massive praise while rings of poop is getting slammed should be proof that its not just "trolls" but people finally having enough of garbage entertainment
There's a bit of intersectional nonsense in HoTD as well. The difference between the 2 shows is that the HoTD crew leaned into GRRM for influence. Much easier to do when the author is still alive, which is likely why they waited for Christopher to pass before putting out this abomination of a show. People can look past a bit of wokeness if the writing is good, the characters have depth, and a plot that makes sense. LoTR: RoP has NONE of those aspects.
Rings of 💩
@The Cheap Normie HotD is a great jumping on point if you can avoid spoilers
@@kennyhouser3467 while I don't agree with the show runners when they say "we didn't race swap characters to check a box" about HotD, I do think it fits in the story. The story specifically revolves around bloodlines and family and the fact that someone is black and someone isn't has weight in the story.
@@kennyhouser3467 It's not just having GRRM involved, whoever they've got writing on the show is adding wonders to the original work. I mean specifically the relationship between brothers Vaserys and Daemon. I've been blown away by how moving that was done.
As a college professor in STEM, I can tell from my personal experience that some of my colleagues in the department of literature, history, gender study, etc are some of the most stupid or evil people that I have ever seen.
Wouldn't surprise me. Probably why I see some people who want to defund Academia they are probably thinking of those people
Dont forget they already infected pretty much every single major out there.
I believe you are as much as a professor as I am an alien
@@CoyoTWil3 Wouldn't surprise me to hear you're an illegal alien after seeing how triggered you are by people reminding others that woke colleges are filled with woke professors with barely any cognitive faculty left.
But hey, if you wanna prove us wrong, bring us a woke college professor that can answer the following two questions successfully: what is epistemological postmodernism, and what is its relation to the philosophy of science?
@@CoyoTWil3 Please state your reason(s).
As a professor at a university myself, I can guarantee you a professorship does not necessarily mean you know anything non-toxic.
X to doubt
as a PhD student... I can only confirm. I can only say that there is a very thin line between genius and madness.
@@Afrolovertje Genius is losing😰
@@Muck006 We see that every day - less than 2 yrs we face another rec ession - irony who his boss was
Tenure at Taxpayer University pretty much leaves you free to spew woke shit. I suspect it's an unwritten agreement.
Now explain why all the Asian, Black, Hispanic & albinos folks hate this show.
I have a BA in English Literature. The most important thing I learned in my studies is that there's more fart sniffing from wine glasses in English degrees than in any other. "I'm right, you're wrong" is practically the motto with these people. My diploma gathers dust in the closet. It's as worthless as these articles.
Love your work dude. This show is an abomination in every way and you guys called it right at every turn.
Going to miss these characters
Elrond the Friendzone
Elendil the I Understand
Islidur the Oops
Gil Galad the Huh?
Galadriel the PrimeBestEva
And...
Sauron the Aragonator
Right? Did you say right? We knew it! We knew it all along! The far-right is taking over! Call the firemen!
Yes, Gary is growing into an MVP of sensible and smart critique.
Gary's hard to take seriously. He treated the Mandalorian in exactly the same he did this show, but that was really good and is one of the most financially successful TV shows of all time.
I won’t watch it James. Not one second.
"We simply cannot know what Tolkien would have thought of this current adaption."
Yes we can, because his work was adapted before. And he didn't like it, he actively set fire to a script once and proceeded to then roast it politely though viciously through a letter directed at the studio. The man would have roasted the Jackson trilogy as well despite it being a good attempt in good faith, his son even said as much. He would have been absolutely furious at the rings of power and how it disrupts the timeline, the characters and their arcs. Proper, polite English gentlemanly wrath.
His son is just guessing. We do not know what Tolkien would have thought of Peter Jackson's films, but almost all those who loved the books, also loved those films.
@@Norvik_-ug3ge Correction, we do not know exactly. Though we can form a rough approximation based of off professor Tolkien's previous statements and interactions he has had with studios regarding his work. Most of which were not particularly positive.
@@Norvik_-ug3ge Yes, it's an educated guess on what his father would have thought based on a lifetime of discussions with him about this subject. You would need very good reasons to contradict his opinion. Tolkien was a purist as it's obvious even from the brief letter excerpts shown in the video or how he roasted some foreign editions of The Hobbit simply because he didn't like the depiction of characters in the cover picture. Imagine what he would have thought of changing characters personalities or making some of them into comic relief (Gimli) or superheroes (Legolas), not to mention plot and language or even more serious alterations that I'm not going to go into detail about but I'm sure you can easily find (and I don't mean removing scenes of characters, that's perfectly understandable when adapting a long book). We may speculate he could have liked the depiction of Lothlórien and Galadriel (at least until her brief transformation into a Marvel villain in the mirror scene), but I think that's all. There are too many breaking changes in Jackson's films (and I think he showed his true colours in the Hobbit trilogy: he went out of his way to include things like Radagast's rabbit sleigh, to mention a minor one).
@@jrg2671 the difference is that even though Jackson did change things he still lived the story and did his best. It's the exact opposite situation with RoP. They seem to actively have malicious intentions or at the very least a lack of interest and disregard for the story.
I mean EVERYTHING is wrong. Haircuts, what they wear, etc.
@@firebreathingmoonbeam3961 Well, I didn't even mention RoP. I was responding to somebody who said that we don't know what Tolkien would have thought about the Jackson trilogy and that his son was just guessing. It's the same argument that Amazon has made about RoP and can be rebutted just as easily. Actually we can be pretty sure because 1: Tolkien himself expressed his opinion about taking liberties in adaptations multiple times and 2: Christopher Tolkien, apart from being his son, was quite involved in his father's stories since he was a child. It's quite difficult to believe he would have misjudged his father's reactions.
Of course there's no comparison between Jackson's LotR trilogy and RoP, but I think many people are mistakenly taking the film trilogy as a baseline just because they were too young to be critical of the liberties taken in the adaptation (many probably read the books afterwards, so the changes didn't register so heavily). There were many elements that were heavily criticised when the films premiered, but eventually a consensus was reached that they were good films even if they had their flaws as adaptations (and of course there wasn't social media then, so the level of criticism was self-contained within traditional media and blogs, etc.; not so with the Hobbit trilogy, that in my opinion puts to rest the idea of Jackson as a respectful adapter of Tolkien).
The problem with RoP is that it`s not good enough as a story to make us forget about the liberties taken in the adaptation that are too great anyway. But let's not pretend that the Jackson trilogy wasn't also betraying Tolkien's spirit in many occasions. It's the same with Star Wars prequel trilogy, now there are many people defending it in comparison with the sequels, mostly people young enough not to remember why the original trilogy was so good for its time and what a disappointment it mostly was for people of my age.
I have studied Tolkien for decades. This series is, at best, a parody of Tolkien's work. This series is more of a "what if" as in "what if Galadriel did this or did that." Peter Jackson had to take liberties in certain parts of his wonderful trilogy of movies. However, for the vast majority of the time, he stayed inside Tolkien's world. Tolkien has massively laid out what he would expect from people who would come after him in adapting his work for TV, movies, radio, etc. This current Amazon series violates his statements to the point of be almost the very antithesis of Tolkien's expectations. So... hard pass for this Tolkien fanatic.
I don't think that PJ always HAD to take liberties, for example nothing really justifies the insertion of the radioactively mutated orc commander in the third movie, which directly contradicted what was written in LotR. All for a couple of pretty lame scenes which were not needed for the plot or the atmosphere at all (and needless to say, were not in the books)?
But ROP ofc is on a completely different level.
@@Tallorian What you're missing is function that went into the form. The silly orc general in the third movies, while silly, fit the lore and the setting and did well. He wasn't some cartoony side character, or just someone for a female character to come over and kill without any effort because women are the best, nor was he gay for no reason other than being gay, he just existesd in the spot he was to exist in, played his part, did it well. You can do this with ANY fucking IP, you just need to want to make it work. Looking back on it, I found no problems with the book vs the movie by adding the Orc Commander in that way, it wasn't _needed_ but wasn't unwelcome either.
I always turn off ROTK when the Army of the Undead stage a deus ex machina at Pelennor...
I detested having the elves show up at Helm's Deep
@@gcs7817 Absolutely! It feels like PJ brought elves to HD only to sacrifice Haldir, because otherwise it would lack a "touchy touchy" scene, since all main characters survive it unscathed.
And RotK is definitely the worst movie of the three because it just went unhinged with the "liberties" and stupidity.
@@lordrevan571 The orc general DOESN'T fit the lore, that's the problem. Even worse, PJ's orcs don't fit the lore in general (pun intended)! If you read the books attentively, you would get an idea of barbaric, ugly, but still quite human-like creatures with sufficient intelligence and wit. There were even hints that half-orcs existed, i.e. there was co-existing and intermingling.
But PJ turned them into absurdly deformed and brainless mutants/zombies, because I guess the accurate depiction of Tolkien's orcs would not look scary or "evil" enough for the modern audience, and that general was one of the most comically mangled and deformed ones.
Furthermore, Tolkien's orcs are quite obviously tribal people, and they don't have "generals" or any "military theory" for organized armies - they fight like barbaric clans or nomads from our history (like gauls, hunns or mongols) and get more organized and coherent in warfare ONLY when driven by a powerful will and mind (like Morgoth, Sauron or Nazgul King). And that was Tolkien's idea - orcs would not be able to gather such force, to organize and conduct a proper large-scale siege of Minas Tirith on their own, and that's why they were led by Nazguls on behalf of Sauron, not some "orc general".
My English teacher at school in 1983 was taught by Tolkien. Of course we studied The Hobbit :)
Lucky. I wish we had English teachers like that. The world would be a better plays
Explains that second comment!
My English teacher would throw on LOTR for the hell of it (he was a huge fan and of course we watch extended edition) and sometimes if we had a test on a Friday or before a long weekend he would say "well seeing is how I dont want to spend my time grading papers were gonna watch LOTR instead" best teacher ever in the history of ever in my entire time of school ever
Also explains predictive toxt, sorry, text.
Bravo Gary. As a Brit [an English one], thanks for your sterling defence of Tolkien's work. This fandom - a very broad church in terms of its ethnicity, nationality and religious, political and sexual persuasion - has put up an epic fight for Tolkien's legacy. I think we scored a win. If all the comments and discussions lead to more folk reading Tolkien's work, I'd say the pint glasses down at the Green Dragon are at least half full.
Hear, hear. Praise and defend Tolkien!
Well said sir! I further exhort everyone not to engage with this awful show any further other than to encourage everyone to avoid it.
Spot on ,well said..stay calm,more beer the better.
Well put! Now we should definitely do something about those half-full pints, eh?! ;-)
Yes, it certainly did for me. I was introduced to Tolkien's world via Jackson's original trilogy (which I LOVE). I had no intention of reading the books, but since this debacle I have purchased the illustrated version and can't wait to dive in (after I finish Jack Carr's books ;)
The destruction of Tolkien's mythical England mirrors England's actual destruction happening right now.
England is not being destroyed right now, I can assure you. I've just looked out the window and it's still there.
@@jamesupton4996 Not the physical country, but its culture and its people.
@@jamesupton4996 go away james
true look at birmingham
I’m visiting Londonistan right now. It’s‘wonderfully’ diverse. 😅
Dam! Who could have guessed that the writers JJ Abrams inspired Mystery Box’s was that Halbrand was Sauron all along? It’s not like Nerdrotic predicted it from the start!
Mystery boxes are not meant to ever be opened. That is the allure. The mystery. You dont open it. That is a JJ story. Unanswered questions. Open threads. There are a lot of problems with this show, but that isn't an example of a mystery box. 🤔
You mean somebody with book and film knowledge of the lore was able to point to who the overall nemesis was going to be in the series based on those books and films...W O W
@@deancassady3374 The Halbrand character was made up for the show and does not appear in the books. The wizard character is also made up as no wizards were around in the second age.
@@deancassady3374 Execpt that Halbrand and the wizard are characters invented for the show and not present in the books or films, so I feel pity for you for not knowing well enough the books and the films since they are both very good masterpieces!
@@lawjef I mean in the end both Rian Johnson and JJ Abrams open the mystery box of who are Rey’s parents and who is Snoke in both of the sequels of The Force Awakens so the mystery box inevitably is opened.
"We simply can't know what he would have thought". I mean you can describe the people he would have wanted in details of not just appearance, but emotion and demeanor in more than one of the dialects he created for those people! WRITTEN AND SPOKEN! Then also in English. It's beyond absurd. He created almost more concrete info about his world, than we know about our own. I honestly want to thank you for sitting through the mess and giving the highlights because my brain could not have handled it. The fact that they also snubbed Peter Jackson is also very telling about what THEY think Tolkien would have cared about.
They found an unsent letter at the post office from Tolkien to his publisher it said that he loves black people and wants more gay and trans inclusion to reflect his own sexuality
Hail the Fellowship!!!
"To be honest, I want players to feel like they’re able to live within Middle-earth and that our adaptation enriches and faithfully expands upon the stories in Tolkien’s Legendarium. Whenever the stories we write resonate with players to the extent that the line begins to blur between established canon and our work on LOTRO, it makes me proud-not only that players enjoy our work, which is always nice, but also that it feels worthy and respectful of Tolkien’s legacy."
(Pinion, Developer of Lord Of The Rings Online)
This is how it should be, this is how it was..
@@tiergeist2639 LotRO might have its issues as a videogame, but as a Tolkien adaptation is one of the best. Their attention and dedication to lore is astounding.
Thumbs up from Tarkard Vendordeth, Crickhollow server, LOTRO.
Greetings from Daethalloth Stormhammer, Landroval server, LoTRO
Well wishes from Mitherion Elemmire, Laurelin server, LoTRO
“Faithful” and “perfect” are different words. They mean different things. You’d think literary scholars would know that. We didn’t want perfect, we wanted faithful and Amazon gave us hollow. A hollowed out adaptation that wears the source material like a costume.
They do know, they're gaslighting and being disingenuous.
the word "Scholar" is shorthand for "A Self-important lying twat with his head so far up his own rear end he hasn't seen the light of day in decades"
I just want to say how happy I am that Gary has been approved by the Comics Code Authority.
They must not have heard him swearing
No, it's just the shirt that's approved. Which means it's more-or-less immune to collateral damage in superhero fights.
"Rings of Power" can be endlessly scolded for a ton of minuses, but one plus of the series cannot be ignored - the series never cease to cause laughter!
For example, in last series it is very funny to watch how a great elven blacksmith, with thousands of years of experience, does not know the basics of blacksmithing. Or how they try to make us feel sorry for Galadriel giving away his brother's dagger, while we don't care about his character, because we only saw him in two flashbacks. Or how an order of evil-"Not Nazgûl"-girls who mysteriously walked in the shadows throughout the season turn into a swarm of butterflies in a second (I swear one of the funniest TV deaths I've ever seen!).
And finally, the main fun is the plot twist with the fact that Halbrand is ... Sauron! The 1.5 people who didn't guess this on the second episode he was in were very surprised! After that, even the twist that the DEFINITELY NOT GOOD WIZARD actually turns out to be a good wizard only brings out a small smile.
Keep it up, "Rings of Power", you useless waste of money, script papers and the time of the people doing CGI for the show, keep it up!
The only part I feel was any good in this trash heap of a show was when Guyladriel decides to not cross the threshold at sea to Valinor, jumps overboard and attempts to swim back to the landmass of Middle Earth.
I say Guyladriel, since this is essentially an entirely different character from Galadriel. Guyladriel is brash, impulsive, mannish, headstrong to the point of being unwise. And that action was entirely in keeping with her character.
It's also so unusual, and came seemingly out of nowhere, that it's absolutely hilarious.
That is the only good part of this whole show. The rest is either garbage, or mediocre. Made by amateurs for tranquilized couch potato normies.
I haven't seen it, mind you, just the reviews from our good friends in the fandom.
Why would they give these high profile big series big scope projects to people who wrote for the WB a couple series. It's actually insane to me
@@danf7411 for the same reason why idiots get to highly ranked political seats, they do what they're told to do
I think amazon's fundamental misunderstanding with the LotR-fanbase is that they wanted to make an adaption that "reflects the world we live in today" - and that exactly is what the LotR-fans have problems with.
They’re biggest ‘misunderstanding’ of Tolkien fans was being foolish enough to believe that calling us racist and facist was going to be enough to shut us up and have us just roll over while they steamrolled over Tolkien’s works.
That and the terrible writing and dialogue, the Picasso-esque timeline and time compression, the gawd-awful acting and directing and all around bad storytelling. It's slow, predictable and quite forgettable. Putting aside all the wokeness and PC the show is just bad. Uninspired and a terrible waste of a billion dollars.
Exactly. They missed their target audience by a mile. Fans of the books want faithful adaptations and fans of the movies still can appreciate good writing.
Exactly! Tolkien fans want an adaption that reflects MIDDLE-EARTH. Tolkien fleshed it out well enough that most of us have a pretty darned good (and pretty consistent across people and groups of people) vision of it.
They aren’t misunderstanding Tolkien fans. They’re trying to gaslight them and everyone else.
IMDB still aren't allowing user reviews of the finale to be published.
Imdb is a joke.
"He needs Elvis healing. That means they have to go see Arwen's dad who is Steven Tyler" A quote from the writer's room.
🤣🤣🤣
I’m still laughing at the implications of “Elvis” healing, even though I know it’s a simple typo😆
@@tunguskalumberjack9987 Well, Sauron did end up at _Lonely street, Heartbreak Hotel._
@@graemevaughey7432 Everyone needs a little Elvis healing, now and again. Maybe that’s how he remained alive, long after his reported death! Maybe Fried Peanut Butter and Banana Sandwiches are more sustaining than Lembas?
@@tunguskalumberjack9987 'tis a sacred ritual of healing, by gyrating hip moves and going "ah-ho-ho", sure to heal the deepest of wounds and achiest of hearts.
This article took Copium to another level. The show is terrible to fans of Tolkien, Amazon is refusing to accept their massive "L".
Well said, Mor"mazon" has equavalently sacked the literary Osgiliath equivalent of Professor Tolkien's lore and story with season one, it is a descration of "history of the elvish speaking tongues..
I absolutely love that we live in their heads constantly. I just feels great knowing how annoyed they are.
Alot of us Iadies are complaining about R 0 P too. These blaming- tropes are all they've got and they're so overused, people are ignoring them
@@maddworld3317 They are lying. We know they are lying. They know that we know they are lying. We know that they know that we know they are lying. Yet they are still lying.
Spot on !!
R.I.P Julius Carry "who's the master sho nuff"..👍👍👍
We need more people like you to make a stand against these bullies, keep showing them that they can't just fix this disgrace by paying some random university professors and celebrities to shill for them
Is everything one doesn't agree with a shill?
@@JoseManley People that defend corporate drivel and hamfisted propaganda are shills. In fact it is the mildest word i can think of to describe them.
@@JoseManley Not necessarily, I'll give you that, but when these "experts" memetically regurgitate the EXACT SAME talking points corpos have been shrieking from day one? Yeah. Those are shills. Everybody who loved Tolkien's work are on the same page here for a reason due to the fact that these people are anything but subtle and nuanced.
I love how they thought that they could just do whatever they wanted and people (especially true Tolkien fans) would just accept it LMAO.
I mean, this is Tolkien's LOTR we're talking about here, his work is SACRED, just like Jackson's LOTR Trilogy is SACRED. I've never seen a fandom more fierce and passionate like this, and I'm pretty sure they also knew it but ignored it, so their very first mistake was underestimate us :D
The series was GARBAGE and we're going to continue to make our voices hear :)
That's what's so insulting about the Head of Amazon's claims of insight into a global audience. She & her ilk know nothing about the world, Europe & more specifically the UK. If she did she wouldn't have let the showrunners insult the Irish, Irish travellers in the UK and the English. They brush it off as unintentional but if they are so bloody knowlegable about Tolkien's work, the global audience and most important, what is/isn't racist/bigotted, they should be prostrating themselves begging forgiveness. I bet this is the stuff Shipey warned them about that they didn't want to hear. No choice now.
Hahahaha how's that going for ya?
Your commentary on this garbage is great, but what I love is the attitude and the delivery. You truly wreck them without fear or hesitation or malice, just facts and honesty. There is a certain pleasure that you get from gain from being in the culture/fandom wars like a happy warrior, and this also brings joy to us the viewers. Keep up the good work.
All the fear is on the side of the creators and producers. They know that if for a single moment any one of them slips... and admits that they made casting and script/storyline decisions to hopefully maximize the size of a global racially and culturally diverse audience... at the expense of quality. Then it's over.
Without fear of what? He sits in a room full of dolls and repeats the same shit every video
Some people might be worried that they will be smeared and lose subscribers or lose their account platform money ...
When you said "happy warrior", I immediately thought of Gary shutting down the erroneous claims of these shills with facts taken directly from Tolkien's legendarium being like Gimli shouting his orc kill count out to Legolas during battle.. "15!...16!...17!..." lol
Of course he will do that. He bases his entire income on it. What will he complain about when the show is gone?
You're doing an amazing work exposing those idiots.
Exactly
Gary's roasts of these social engineer's are always soooo epic 😆😆
Our brand new neighbor is one from CornelI - another woman's name that begins with the letter K. Already started with the rules & demands. I might put up a DeSantis lawn sign
@@Muck006 and only you care
Tom Shippey is such an incredibly bright beacon for Tolkien's heritage. I loved seeing him here.
IT'S BIG BRAIN TIME.
Just today I received a hilarious email from Amazon which states "All episodes of ‘The Lord of the Rings: The Rings of Power’ are out now". I am not even a Prime member (though my wife is). They are desperately REACHING for views.
Good. They are bleeding. We are winning. Time to twist the spear in the wound even more.
People like Anna Smol are the sort I never want to break bread with.
Imagine having her as neighbor. I would rather live in a sewer.
@@evilkate9884 😂🤣 I would join you if it gave me peace of mind.
I was going to say you could probably have a very pleasant conversation about the weather with her, but then I realized that if you bring up the weather she'd most likely go on a nonsensical diatribe about climate change being a result of white male privilege and Euro-centric oppression etc.
It's ridiculous now how even the most banal of topics is a complete disaster thanks to these these zealots.
@@thefilthyrhombus3856 😂🤣it's like that crazy chick crying sexual harassment over a guy innocently asking her out for a cup of coffee.
This why I'll never side with them.
I've witnessed what feminists and their lot do to their own allies so it begs the question: Why fight alongside people who hate you and would sooner see you dead just so they can feel righteous?
Don't worry, you won't have to. The world people like her envision doesn't involve much bread, just plenty of queueing for it.
For clarity Mount St Vincent is a tiny third string university in a small Canadian city.
It really is. Acadia, St.Francis Xavier, Dalhousie, St.Marys are the larger and serious universities in Nova Scotia. Which has a very well educated population esp women. Sadly that sometimes means mediocre intellects creep through in some standards-less subjects.
A billion dollars just for them to lose to a Girl interrupting a speech in a green dress and a dying man slowly walking torwards a throne.
Absolute props to the money launderers, they are the real heroes.
the awkward moment when you realise nobody had a problem with strong and powerful Galadriel in the books or the movies...or strong and powerful eowyn in the books or the movies...
they debase female characters
Galadriel in the books was far more powerful then in the show, they had to demote her to make her fit their mold of a "Strong female character".
@@brendancoulter5761 yes because strong women need to be masculine and brutish , masculinity that doesn't work because men won't listen just because your argy bargy.
youd think leftists would understand by now.
either way the conversation is not worthy of the conversation
It was more like, 'oh, this is her character development phase.' But DAMN, there are lots of contradictions on Guyladriel dialogue. 🤣😅
@@voojyaj2588 shes not a character at all , she's a plot device
Amazon = Only add the rings of power at the last 3 minutes of a billion dollar Show and change the Lore from the Legendary Books
Show Runners = it shall be done Master
Sheesh. When Gary is on fire he is like a steam-roller of destruction! Your work is awesome, Gary. Please keep it coming!
He truly is. And dead franchises can be revived before dying again.
Gary likes to think he isn’t far right, but he actually is
@@maxmazzotti6651 Anyone right of Lenin is "far right" at this point, in the eyes of the Left
@@dmtaboo_truth7052- That's true, but who cares about the fake left-right dichotomy anyway? It's just a matter of warmongering tyrannical globalists against the rest of the world. Amazon is of course part of the problem after all, as a contractor, Amazon is part of the military industrial complex that keeps the war machine in the world going 24/7.
We have a common enemy, and we (left & right) should therefore work together to defend our lives, our rights and our culture against those who want to enslave us by pushing their destructive revisionist globalist agenda.
I knew this show was going to be bad, I had no idea just how horrible it actually would be. Just wow 🤯!
why is it bad?
@@obiwannabe360 have you watched the videos about this topic on this channel? Why are you asking questions that require multiple paragraphs in answer? You are asking people for work to "talk" to you. You don't even bother to phrase your question in an interesting way or with any of your own ideas to discuss. No one wants to carry a painfully obvious one sided conversation with your boring consciousness.
@@obiwannabe360 better question is how is it even remotely good
@@i_liek_bois lol easy bud. its going to be ok
Keep up the good work Nerdrotic! 👏 We need to show these lunatics we won't stand for this. Society is sick and tired of these activists and ridiculous woke political agenda.
I love this channel! Gary has said plenty I disagree with but he's always genuine and well researched. They accuse you of shutting down communication and yet they are deleting reviews and calling you a monster for having a brain and using it. In the words of Rocco from boondock saints "don't stop. Don't ever stop." 👍👍👍
We are very much one of the few fandoms that argue enough between us, that having a corporation come along was "easy mode"
Soon we can go back to debating the horrible mistakes in LOTR and ignoring the hobbit movies. (granted seeing them again recently after watching ROP, I was more entertained. But still got angry when ice sledding started.)
I was waiting to see if anybody else noticed the Jennifer Salke self insert. Thanks Gary!
_Wormtongue_ is in this too?
I lived by that “university” for 5 years while I went to a real one in Halifax, Nova Scotia.
I went over 20 years ago and Mount Saint Vincent was known as a far left cult of women’s studies even at that time. I could only imagine what level of insanity it has reached now
In term of leftardation, Nova Scotia is just as bad as real Scotland.
@@VideaVice25 I’m not sure how left Scotland is these days but, Nova Scotia has gone off the left deep end. So much so that when/if this level of politics turns around I would recommend putting that province on suicide watch.
@@VideaVice25
Just recently elected a Conservative Government.Majority.There is hope
I stand with you Gary
Keep the content coming
I'm seriously looking into moving out of Canada, but parts of the USA also seems nuts.
Yeah, choose wisely
Hearing the defense by far left intersectional Canadian disciples of academia makes me feel more correct about Guyladriel than ever
These individuals do not represent the majority of the people in Canada, so what you say doesn't count.
@@ramonandrajo6348 but aren't they the most vocal? As we have seen times and again in the last 10 years, they always scream their way to success.
@@UbiMortus That they are the most vocal does not mean that they are the majority; there is a difference.
@@ramonandrajo6348 Who said anything about the majority of Canadians?
@@deesee6009 If you weren't referring to most people in Canada; that's fine by me.
THANK YOU SO MUCH for including clips from Tolkien and his son. These small minded people defending this often try to say we nitpick our quotes (them projecting what they do) but he and the people who knew him said exactly, and clearly, how he felt about his works.
Sons of Tokien, of Jackson, my brothers! I see in your eyes the same fear that would take the heart of me. A day may come when the courage of fans fails, when we forsake our passions and break all bonds of storytelling, but it is not this day! An hour of woke, and shattered facts when the age of fans comes crashing down, but it is not this day! This day we fight! By all you hold dear, on this good earth, I bid you stand, FANS OF THE WEST!
Question. Why does the Queen of Numenor look nothing like her dying father? They don't look like father and daughter.
Why does Isildur look nothing like Elendil or his sister?
Because the mailmen of Numenor has been busy.
Sam being described as having "brown hands"
He's a GODDAMN GARDENER!!!!
😂
"HBO screwed Amazon, with a flagging fandom, in a cave! With scraps!"
When Leonidas took 300men to battle without permission he said they were his personal guard. In ROP Numenor brings 300troops and we should think that's a huge force ? Lol
"The Tolkien Estate is the legal body which manages the property of the English writer J. R. R. Tolkien, including the copyright for most of his works."
" The executors of the estate proper were Christopher Tolkien (died 16 January 2020), who was sole literary executor, and (succeeding J.R.R. Tolkien's lawyer Frank Williamson), Cathleen Blackburn of Maier Blackburn, who has been the estate's solicitor for many years."
This is why the whole thing is happening. The Tolkien family (which had spent more than a half century avoiding exactly a show like this) no longer have control of the rights. LAWYERS DO. Gone is the familial need to protect an artistic legacy. And worse, it's been supplanted with corporate greed.
The EXACT same thing happened to Disney. Once the original family died, it was preyed upon by sharks in suits. Now look at the monster it's become. This was a company that made cute cartoon animals. Now they buy up wonderful art and churn it out as soulless products instead.
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Emperor Protect Us.
Protect The Black Library.
Do not let the traitors knock on the doors of the Golden Throne room.
Let us send those corrupted by the ruinous corporate powers back into the warp from whence they came.
*LOADS BOLTER*
Not that you are wrong, but inferring the Imperium of Man (which IS, by all accounts, a parody on neo-fascism) is not exactly giving off the cleanest look if we want to prove we are not in fact far-right...
Here’s all I needed to hear: my 13 yo daughter (the shows target demo) watched 1 episode. She comes to find me and says “dad, you were right”. She hasn’t watched any prime since and scowls whenever it gets brought up. Fuhk Amazon.
Hey they took the Foundation books of Isaac Asimov, father of the Three Laws and multi-generational space operas and by the SECOND episode it was unrecognisable as the source material.
Funny that in the movies Arwen saved Frodo and not Glorfindel and Elves battling at Helms deep was criticized by English professors and Tolkienites as not being part of the lore and Peter Jackson didn’t act like a cry baby. Now it’s the opposite…just like the world.
Absolutely riveting content here. We are amazed at how far some outlets will go to cut down others making simple comments on a show. Great finds! Thanks for keeping to the facts and pointing out the gaps.
"Mr. Shippey, we don't need you, to make this show"
That's all I needed to know to assume this was going to be a huge mess.
Since it seems Amazon has wandered into areas of Tolkien’s works they did not have the rights to, I wonder if who ever owns the rights can sue Amazon for copyright infringement?
Anyone could, because just renaming something and pretending it is something else when it's not, is still copyright theft.
WuKong the Monkey King is a badass Chinese folktale. I can't wait for the Amazon remake which will feature people of all ethnicities. I'm sure no one in China will mind seeing their heroes portrayed by a cast that reflects the world we live in today.
I dare them to try.
All their shit comes from China so they'll leave that story well alone.
@@thetraveller4839 tell them not to make it
Nah, can't have any people of African descent in that show. It'd be racist to have a show with monkey in the title with black people in it.
@@maxmazzotti6651 They won't listen.😆
Samwise was the gardener. His hands were "brown" because he was outside working in the sun with the soil.
It is sad that someone that studies a subject and can even gain some academic title because of their studies but clearly doesn't need to understand the subject matter they're studying...
I haven't seen the Amazon fanfic because I don't want it to spoil the original trilogy for me.
Seeing these "scolars" talk reminds me of what Ripley said in Aliens "did IQs drop sharply while I was away?"
This man is doing the Lord's work. Bless you sir.
Thanks for the content Gary!
"There is no such thing as a 'faithful' adaptation in all details."
Aaand there we have the bad faith argument. They will ALWAYS stubbornly misinterpret what we say, because they are ideologically captured mouthpieces with no independent thoughts in their heads.
Gaslighting, plain and simple. They know exactly what we mean, but they purposefully misrepresent it.
...you see with the trucker protest, you left out the fact that the truckers constantly blared their horns and disrupted traffic and business in downtown Ottawa, effectively holding the downtown area hostage, so had no choice but to freeze bank accounts
He's American. What do you expect?? I don't like The Trudeau government for different reasons but what they did with the protest is not one of them.
“…the world we live in today.” In the foreword of the Fellowship of the Ring, Tolkien talks about how the events depicted are not supposed to be based of “the world we live in today” (ie the War of the Ring, Scouring of the Shire).
You know why Sam was browner of skin? He was a freaking gardener who worked in the sun all day.
Wait a minute I was under the distinct impression that the Shire was based off England and that England never gets any sunshine so what gives? 😉
Elves are responsable for awaking the balrog and destroying moria, a human is responable for mount doom and Galadriel not only saved Sauron life multiple time, but she was the one that facilitate his ascent. Right, great story, expectation subverted.
My favorite part was the diversity of the people who destroyed the world.
‘The Dwarves delved too Altruistically and not very deep… you know what they didn’t awake in the darkness…’
Amazon literally deletes bad reviews, but this article says /we're/ the ones shutting down discussion!
These episodes bring me light in such dark and heinous times
They hired an “intimacy coordinator” and wanted Game of Thrones-style sex scenes, and the fans found out and forced them to change course. THAT’S what they mean by “fans were complaining before they even saw any of it.”
Shad stated on his live stream after the finale that he was booted from the show three times, and had to restart the episode. Viewers in the chat had the same thing happen to them. Was this a cheap trick to gain viewership numbers?
Same thing here they put in an ad and after it plays you get booted out and have to reload the episode
Very likely. If it resets, it probably counts as an extra view.
Depth. I mean, that is why LoTR is still talked about today, there is so much to every aspect of the books that we are still discussing it actual eras later. The appendices were a direct addition to the depth of the books.
The irony that Amazon took a piece of a book specifically there to add depth to the story and made this shallow drivel is irony on such magnitude that my brain locks up trying to encompass it.
Tolkien even wrote what he thought about filming adaptations of books: Tolkien's 210 letter.
As a Canadian, I am so offended when you said, " Canadian pesos"! It is and should of been called Canadian rubles, in honour of our esteemed First Secretary Trudeau.
Technically, "The Rings of Power" is part of the title of one of the chapters in "The Silmarillion" so I'm not sure how are they even allowed to use this as their title.
Technically they have the rights to that
@@smileishousin I believe they only have the rights to The Lord of The Rings and the appendences, not the Silmarillion itself. However, I think it's a mute point.
The term rings of power is referenced in LOTR, therefore usable.
I have been an avid watcher for about three years, and this is Literally (autistically) one of your very best.
Much love.
I'm not a Tolkien scholar and I have not read the books completely from cover to cover, but I have read and own Hobbit, Beren and Luthian, Children of Hurin and Fall of Gondolin and it awoke a longing for Tolkien's works in me so much so that I've watched the extended movies 5 times in the last month and listened to the BBC radio drama and I'm devouring all information and works by Tolkien as much as I can and believe me I will be reading and rereading the books. That being said, I watched ep 1&2 and I cannot bring myself to watch the rest it pains me mentally and spiritually just watching the reviews and breakdowns and it pained me more struggling through the first 2 episodes. So just like the Dis(aster)ney's Star Wars trilogy and the horrible series adaptation of Pratchett's Watch (which I can also not bring myself to finish) I will go about my life not acknowledging these blatant money grabbing, woke, politically correct poster-children.