Audi R8 RWS V10 vs Porsche 911 GT3 - 2018 review | Autocar
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- The Audi R8 is now, for the first time, available in rear-wheel drive with the introduction of the RWS model in 2018. Can it compete with Autocar's favourite sports car of 2017, the Porsche 911 GT3?
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Mauro Calo and Dan Prosser take the two fiercely engined coupés out on the roads around Goodwood.
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The RWS just screams for the gated manual transmission option from the first gen R8
Heart says R8
Brain says always 911
Pockets says ...bus
exactly
you're rich man
Amazing how not a single employee at Autocar notice that the specs of the GT3 are for the old one...
Apologies for the incorrect stats at 1.30 - editor's fault. Of course, this is the 991.2 GT3, which has a 4.0-litre engine, producing 493bhp at 8250rpm. Hope you enjoyed the film anyway and do let us know below what cars you'd like to see on the channel in the near future.
Autocar Fire him
Autocar unacceptable honestly. Just take the video down at this point. And make sure the editor you hire is a car guy. Fire this one immediately.
Very entertaining video! More like it.
Just remove it, fix it and upload it again. It is an unacceptable mistake
Have you ever made a review on a base trim 2017 or '18 911 Carrera without a single performance enhancement option on it except for a PDK trans
"If I had longer legs I would be taller"
DWL!!!
I feel like these two cars are completely different animals for different purposes. Yes the GT3 might be the better car might be faster might be all round a better package but the R8 has something special that the GT3 doesnt. It might be that V10 or the less clinical feeling of the car. The GT3 is for someone who wants to go on trackdays and demolish everything and the R8 is for the gentleman who likes to drive but also likes comfort in everyday driving. That said Id personally pick the R8 but that may be just me following my heart not my brain.
The guys in the video definitely seem to agree with you. It's essentially choosing what you like more.. comfort and driveability as a DD, or a track weapon
Definitely agree with the gentleman part for the R8, but the GT3 is anything but clinical lol. The Turbo S is clinical; does everything you want it to do and nothing more. The GT3 is hands down more exciting than that.
Kristóf Máthé well if you are old and your back is hurting, then go for the R8.
Big Mistake, u have the stats of the old 991.1 GT3 3.8 liters at 1:30 . ;)
lui saluted on the dailyyy
Pretty dumb tbh.
luimarco haha lui don't play
propahhly saluted bro!
I only came here for the comments
Mauro and Dan r really good tbh... u can tell that both r proper Petrolheads and knows what they r talking abt...
Massive improvement to Autocar vids in the last year or so. Like these conversational pieces, gives a real balanced opinion. On my local roads too! Keep it up 👍🏻
Thanks for finally filming in 4K.
Good one guys, enjoyed it.
Being a long time fan of Autocar magazine and it's feature videos. It's nice to see the dynamism back between hosts. It's been missing in recent years but worry over. The good features are back ;)
Great comparison - especially enjoyed the detail on the GT3’s damping Control. I would have picked it as well 😉
Great review guys. Finally some life in auto car
Exactly the choice I have had to make over the last 2 months.... going to pu my RWS this week.... thanks for the video.
Mauro’s best performance to date imo, good video boys!
Pound for pound Porsche GT3 and GT3 RS are the best sports cars in the world. Period!
Paul C That's the RS version, base GT3 is $140,000 and the fact that you compared a grand sport with a GT3 proves to everyone that you don't know anything about the GT3
Paul C It says $143,600 in big bold letters right on their website lmao. And I still can't tell if you're talking about the GT3 or GT3 RS, because if you're talking about the GT3 RS then only 2 other cars in history are faster than it around the Nurburgring, and one of them is another Porsche ;). Yet corvette's fastest car is still sitting down at 13th, what a shame. Not to mention you originally said "blow the doors off the GT3" yet neither of the cars you mentioned have a faster lap time.
"Will be faster" that's a pretty bold statement with nothing to back it up, until it happens I call bullshit. Chevy is not a brand that can just magically pull from 13th to 3rd.
i need to see the circuit test!!
Audi should make a GT-3 variant of the R8 with the 650 horsepower V10, curb weight of around 3300-3400 lbs, RWD, and remove every creature comfort (no carpets... more carbon fiber... forged aluminum... ).
ErwinSchrodinger64 why? porsche already have a gt2 rs with 700 hp, pointless of making an r8 very similar to the gt2rs
+Kushal For Diversity/Variety and competition.
Audi makes GT-3
1st Gen. GT-3: www.topspeed.com/cars/audi/2012-audi-r8-lms-by-apr-motosport-ar120488.html
2nd Gen. GT-3: www.audi.com/en/audisport/gt3/Audi-r8-lms.html
Tested by Chris Harris czcams.com/video/RSo9vjK8et8/video.html
He is talking about a road car I guess
it's called the huracan performante
I prefer the Porsche any day of the year - Ray Winston makes some very good points about the Audi though.
Ray Winston from the scum era 😁
I'm sure you guys hear it a lot, but it deserves reminding. You guys have the best job!
Nice review and comparison, especially on damp cool U.K. winter roads. GT3 please...
More importantly. What is Mauro wearing?
Seen Through Haggis chavtastic
I'm just glad it's not in any other colour .
Maybe he's just come back from attempting to re enter the earth's atmosphere .....
He works in a coal mine.
This. The oldest looking 12 year old I've ever seen.
What you would expect the most annoying man in the world to wear.
I want that GT3 so bad!
slaWterCH ok you can have it
I watch this channel now because of Dan. Keep him doing videos as much as possible!
Excellent Video!
Great video 👍🏻
I recognise those roads.. in fact that road is where I take my BM for a Sunday blast!! It’s Chillgrove, West Sussex?
At 1:30 , they showed the wrong information , its the 991.2 gt3 so, its 4000cc , 500hp, those stats are from 991.1 gt3
I think the stats that you said are from gt3 rs
Nah, RS is 520hp
991.1 gt3 rs is 500 hp, 991.2 gt3 rs is 520 hp, which is launched in this years geneva motorshow
You have done your homework. ;) Thanks
Nice, Harting Hill and the back roads north of goodwood circuit ?
I'm sure Porsche suspension engineers will be thrilled to hear your comparison of all their hard work and knowledge, to the closing of a kitchen cupboard!
GT3 is the Head Master in the school, where R8 is joining as a student
nailed it!
appreciate what both car companies have to offer. If you actually watched the video you would also see him say that the audi isn't trying to be like the gt3...so its not a student. Yes the gt3 is a head master of the track.The gt3 is more track focused and precise. Its your track toy. The r8 truely comes to life in its spyder form where you have the great looks and orgasmic v10 sound and gorgeous cabin. Its your canyon toy. Both are the head masters at different things...they each have their own things that make them better than the other. they are both unique amazing experiences. A real car enthusiast would appreciate what both bring to the table rather than make fanboy comments like that.
Eventus Vantos m8 I admire the R8 for being RWD, but with a manual gearbox, the GT3 is a league of its own!
Rejoice Rone So the R8 would be in a league of its own because of the V10 ?
It isn't. Remember that there is also a rear wheel driven Huracan with 580hp.
I think it is quite a hard match when it comes down to it - The GT3 is more evolving and hardcore, but the R8 has more supercar presence - if one actually needs an everyday super/sports car the choice is not so easy - They both have great engines with great soundtracks and they are both more than fast enough for most owners. I would take that GT3 but I do also not have to arrive at the big company door every day with perhaps several hours of travel on the Autobahn...
GT3 all day! Even though I'm an audi owner! The PDK gearbox is unmatched. Full stop
Patrick Williment I would rather have the available manual gearbox, it just adds to the amazing driver involvement. Still amazing how you can get both unlike the R8, and even the automatic quality is so good
@Cameron Regester it’s a little pointless to mention he has audis in this particular conversation unless he has an R8 or maybe an RS car. I don’t think owning an A4 gives him any credibility when he says he chooses gt3 over r8 even though he owns an Audi
Mauro has got new shoes! Cheers mate!
Am I the only one who keeps on having difficulties watching videos with Mauro in it... The looks of a traveller with the little man syndrom with all its consequences.
You are not alone. I would love to know how he got this job!
got to appreciate, how these blokes, STICKINGG TO THEIR GUNS!!
AND STILL BEING CIVIL.
RESPECT..
GREAT REVIEW.
Great review ....I still can’t make my mind up.
Is that a 'casio'? digital watch on Mauro left wrist?
How dim was the lighting when matey picked that outfit?
no Steve sutcliffe?
The problem is that you can buy an Audi R8, but the GT3 you cannot because dealers are ruining the Porsche Brand buy selling GT cars only to friends and/or I speculate to whom gives them a kickback. All GT cars are selling “used”with a few miles with large premiums over sticker. It should not be that way.
So I fell the comparison should be between cars you can actually buy. ...
Have you guys seen the Aussie ford falcon XR6 turbo, ITS A BEAST
Nice review, you need that balance between track and road and the R8 delivers !
Glad you can buy the R8 RWS as a full production model in 2020...
Well done Audi...
Chris Martin is one of my favorite youtube auto journalists
I just love the body colored blade on the Audi soo much!
Random, but so good to see Autocar finally adopting 4K
Oh my god, this is gonna be a good one.
Was this filmed in Gloucester? If not then where? Cheers lads !
Seeing as I've owned an R8 v10 Plus (602hp) and now own a 991.2 GT3, I think I can form a non biased opinion on both. Theres no disputing, the R8 is a great car, but it's nothing like the GT3. They're not comparable cars, they don't serve the same purpose and other than them both being RWD, I'm not sure why they're even being compared in this video.
The V10 is an incredible engine, but the dynamics and "feel" of the R8 is pretty rubbish. The dampening on the R8 is literally some of the worst I've ever experienced, that's possibly because pre 2017 R8s (Mine being a late 2016) had issues with the magnetic ride, but it genuinely felt like a bouncy castle at times. The R8 feels artificial, theres no engagement.
The GT3's Flat 6 is phenomenal, is it "better" than the V10? I' m not sure, as I say, it's not truly comparable, but it's certainly not worse. As for the feel and handling though, the GT3 is MILES ahead. I have never driven a car that feels as in tune as the GT3.
It does baffle me how people who've never owned either, can form such opinions and get so bloody emotional over things.
Slizz Dizzle
You probably never own either car....Just a 911 fanboy!
Slizz Dizzle your last point is a thought that runs through my head every time I watch one of these videos
Its been literally decades now since the 911 had any real competition. Automotive reviewers can't say this of course, they make get cars and make money perpetuating the fantasy that numbers matter. When its really the total driving experience, at which the 911 excels. "I have never driven a car that feels as in tune as the GT3" is something thousands have said of every GT3 going back as long as they've been made. This is usually cliche but in this case its true: The GT3 is in a class of its own.
Tyran Mathurin - I have definitely owned both though - Are you "TheEryk03" or something? I bought an R8, therefore I can't be a 911 fanboy. Great input though, it was invaluable.
Slizz Dizzle s
So you haven’t driven an R8 RWS then?
I like this new guy.
Why someone would wear a watch like that ? Also does he see anything clear that low in R8?
They are all incredible cars. It all comes down to how do you feel in it.
I love how, every time I see Mauro, it’s like he doesn’t understand how clothes work.
anyone know the music 0:00-0:50
Nice one! But i feel that you need to upload in a higher video quality somehow. When there's lots of fine detail in a scene, like the trees at 1:58, the video bitrate is too low and the quality drops visibly.
Bring back Mauro. He might not dress like someone out of Pebble Beach but his great driving and 'to the point' commentary is the best.
Totally agree re the last 1000 RPM for the GT3 its not adding anything other stopping you bouncing of the Rev limiter. Peak power at 8250 and peak torque at 6000.
Mauro those boots are a serious vibe...
Gotta love these cars
amazing
Why only 105lbs lighter? I was expecting something like 200-220lbs.
GT3 sounds way better and faster (even the wrong slower stats you posted is faster) and better looking. There's no contest *except getting allocated to even buy a GT3* these days is ridiculous and stupid...So realistically for many of us out to buy a car at this range and don't have money to trade in multiple Porsches, we probably end up with the Audi...
You get more performance out the R8 with AWD not with RWD so not sure what he trying to say.Also I know exactly what my AWD car is going to do.Put your foot down out of the corner and the back end starts twitching out which is very easily controlled.So don’t know what he’s on about their too.
Reflection Car Care Detailing Driving dynamics mate
Nice comparo and all but in the UK it's impossible to buy a new GT3 unless you're a serial car buyer at one dealer or pay way over.
Instead of telling us, why not do a comparison between the R8 RWS vs the R8 Quattro? Let the cars show us where to spend the money.
Shabec2982 no doubt..you will spend the money in hospital..
I love the current R8. What an awesome looking and sounding car.
In Canada we get shafted on the RWS. it’s only available in black or white, not this beautiful blue. No quilted leather seats. I don’t think those mesh wheels are an option either.
WIth Mauro Calo eating so much ice cream, his extra weight has got to be slowing the V10 in comparison to the Porsche. Stop eating ice cream and it may go faster ;)
I remember when Porsche used to actually charge less for their stripped down performance cars. The 964 Carrera RS and RS America were several thousand less than the standard Carrera. The 968 Clubsport was also less than the standard 968. I think they started charging more for their stripped down cars with the 996 series 911.
Eager to see what Audi do with the facelift, they’ve been spending quite a lot of time on the development, at least a good 9 months since the first spy pics were taken. Will be last opportunity to buy that fsi v10 in atmo spec
The suspension in the McLaren super series is better than the Porsche by a big margin. The fixed bucket seats in the GT3 are not very comfortable and you can't buy one new unless the dealer wants you to have one! The Audi R8 is a great car but the design is starting to look old. The 570S looks much more modern now.
I wouldn't even look at an R8 over a GT3!
W-James I would....and then give it to UGR to make it a living monster
For every day driving I would say the Audi R8. However for track use I have to go with the GT3 RS all the way.
CAPTAIN AMERICA - I would take a GT3 Touring. Looks to kill, easy to drive every day and it has a DELICIOUS 6 speed manual to play with.
Me Neither. And the Argument of every day use is Not useable with the 991 gt3s they are way more balanced and practical
Which is ironic because the R8 is much, much better looking.
I've got one of these GT3's and I agreed with everything Dan said apart from the damping. It's good but not great. I drive on Norfolk B roads and it does get a bit choppy. I had a McLaren 540 and that suspension is much better than this Porsche. Comparing these two, I've driven the R8 and it's a bit soft and easy, the 911 gives much more feel and emotion.
GT3 all day every day
Richard Carlton even Wednesday?
Ahm old GT3 as the new 991.2 is actual??????
Also, you guys need two switch cars halfway through because the more persuasive person always has the majority side with them, when you try both it levels the comparison.
I'd love to see a twin test between a Cayman S and the new Alpine A110
I don't get it why are there no other cars on the road ever?
GT3 is over 50K more than the R8 RWS and the GT3 is super hard to get in the USA. Dealer mark up can be an additional 50k. I sat and drove one and well worth it if you got dough. Now the Audi R8 V10 Plus convertible is a different story.
Nice pants mate
No drag race?
I just hope such NA cars keep coming
Dan great as always!
Mauro I like You but I can't look at Your sitting position.
Straight arms, steering wheel covering the view.
More Dan please!
Mauro I hope next time will be better😉
The Audi R8 is a bargain supercar! Compared to the gt3!! If I had to pick one the Porsche all the way but if you’re on a budget Audi🏁🏁
If the last 1000rpm of the GT3 aren't doing much why is peak power over 8000rpm and why do the race cars with the same engine have an even higher redline? ...
J. Martinni he means the whole power curve is linear (to a point) but then you get to the top end the cams run out of optimal range so it's making more power but not the same feeling.
Very entertaining to someone who has Pcars but has never owned an Audi-Audi soundtrack is better than the GT3 good work guys
Porsche for life
I love Audi had loads of them and I am getting I Q7 next week. But I just could not drop over 100k on an Audi.
I hate the plastic shift paddle on Audi as well
Sure the v10 sounds nice, but I've been hearing that sound since 2005 with the Gallardo. Dress up a gt3/gt3rs with an exhaust and it sounds like an f1 car. The Porsche is so raw and intriguing, making it desirable to almost everyone. The gt3 is defiantly a weapon on both the road and track.
Who's the yob?
The R8 is a glorious car and the GT3 is my favorite car in the world (well, the GT3 RS even more so). Who would be disappointed by either? But it's an emotional choice, not a rational one, they have slightly different appeals and the GT3's focus and the heritage of the 911 & Porsche wins it for me...all Porsche's have that special feel that only they do, it carries through the entire range, but this is the car where it shows the most.
GT3 with Touring package - nothing more I need.
Reptilius Maximus isnt that the cheapest option? With a manual?
Mauro, per your statement…”It doesn’t have the front drive shafts, it doesn’t have the propshafts and it doesn’t have the centre diff.”….and you forgot, it doesn’t have the front differential.
Great!☆
They should build an R8 V10 with a Targa Top.
I am leaning toward the GT3 mostly because of the Manual trans. If audi comes out with RWS 6SPD manual.... I am in!!!
The R8 without quattro AWD feels like something is missing. Audi made its brand around quattro AWD and taking that away to make the R8 sharper while sound in practice, is like taking the very soul that made it an Audi. The 911 has been under the knife from Porsche for 70+ years and the GT3 is the 911 distilled to its very essence - it is not taking away its trademarks, but taking everything unnecessary away and making the Rear-engine NA flat 6 car everyone knows and loves and sharpening it just for the driving fun. Needless to say, I take the 911 GT3 anyday.