Browning B525 vs Miroku MK38 | Which One Should YOU Choose?
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- A comparison between the Browning B525 and the Miroku MK38. Both perfect for clay shooting but with their own unique perks!! Find out which one Matt prefers!
Browning B525 Sporter One
- Scrolling Engraving with Oil Finished Stock
- Backbored barrels
- Excellent build quality
- Reliable
Miroku MK38 Sporter
- Japanese quality and durability
- Hand finished deep cut scrollwork
- Backbored barrels with Invector Plus chokes
- Adjustable trigger
- Superb handing & balance
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Have you got any left handed mk 38s ?
I have a 525, I use it for occasional clay shoots mostly ducks and rabbits. It’s perfect for all my needs. I’m in Australia
Love the honesty of your reviews. A refreshing change form one other channel in particular.
Thank you for your comments.
Have watched this review quite a few times now, and it is up there with the best.
Only an experienced guy in the trade could deliver so much info, spot on 👍
Thank you for your comment and keep enjoying the channel. Kind regards, Matt
Mk 38 unbeatable in this price range , fabulous bit of kit .
Ive owned a Browning 525sL laminate for a couple of years and just last week bought a Miroku MK38 IWA special limited edition grade 3 trap, teague choked and adjustable. Both brilliant guns but the Miroku is something else! WOW what a gun
great vid Mat , thanks for the info
Great video, totally agree.
I love my trimmer action Browning 725 Feather 12 gauge with a 26 inch barrel. Use Trulock blackened stainless steel ported extended chokes on mine. Lower in improved cylinder constriction and upper barrel in improved modified. Lengthen forcing cones and back bored in 3 inch chamber weighing 6 pounds and 8 ounces loaded.
Bought a 2021 525 couldn`t get on with it at all swapped it for an old Perazzi with a lot of extra weight and perfect balance love it , was advised to try the Miroku as more drop on the comb? Great no nonsense review as usual.
Another great video
Great video, can you do a video on what 20g you would recommend for game/sporting please.
I have a 525 ultra pro xs exquisite (that's a mouthful) with semi beavertail stunning gun for clays & game. Was tempted with Mk 38
Gosh, i love my Citori for pounding clay's, feel good. would buy a Miroku 38
First, thank you for the informative video. I live in Texas and would like to buy my first shotgun for Sporting clays and Skeet. I haven't seen the MK38 for sale. Is the Browning Citori CX line similar to the MK38? The Citori CX line is made in Miroku Japan if I'm not mistaken. Would you recommend the Citori CX if the MK38 isn't available?
Great video again. These are good guns just not that popular here in Texas
Very nice analysis, just a small comment, as you said b525 is maid of recycled steel but mk38 from special steel as it's written on the barrel
So what would you say as the ultimate all rounder? Great video subscribed👍
Hi, im new to shooting clays and am yet to buy my own gun.
Ive shot several different guns one being a miroku 3800 and i absolutely loved it, would it be worth considering buying one of those or would i be better buying a mk 38?
Ive been told that they are almost identical in the way that they handle and perform?
Good review, thanks. How about a Blaser f3 review?
enjoy your reviews would love you to review zoli for clay shooting !
As their all within the same price range if you had to choose for some occassional sporting and english Skeet which one would you select between and MK38/B725/B525 or a 686? TY! Would need to be steel proofed....
Great review, would love to see one on the Blaser F3 range 😊
Thank you for your comment. There will be an F3 review in the future. Stay tuned.
Miroku's were great little "sleepers". They are pretty much discovered now.
There are 525 now in Portugal with beaver tail option
I wish we had the same selection from browning here in the states that you guys have out over the pond. Thanks for the video. I have a Browning Citori CX and a Hunter which I think are both 525's but cannot find the answer. Both of mine also came in a cardboard box and were made by Miroku. Would have been nice to get the browning abs case with them.
Thank you for your comment. It is no problem to export a gun to the US. We do it a lot. Kind regards, Matt
Minor point. The modern o/u shotgun design was invented by Boss and closely followed by Woodward in 1909 and 1913 respectively.
Back in the late 70's/80's when DTL was the premier discipline, before Sporting caught on here in the UK, the most popular mid priced gun by far on the trap circuit was the Miroku 800W. Anyone with a bigger wallet would go for a Perazzi or similar.
The fist trap gun i had was a Miroku 600 ORE 30" f/f with a Monti Carlo and although it was rather plain in comparison to an 800 it was a dream to shoot and won me some comps.
I just wish Miroku would fit ventilated mid ribs on the MK38, no idea why not.🤔
Does Browning Pro Balance System fit for new Browning B525 sporters? Browning says in their website 525's stock is counterweight-ready as an option.
I’d have bought a 20ga 525 Autumn but Brownings marketing team didn’t make them available in the US so I bought a Rizzini 🤷🏽♂️
always a great review thx
Thank you.
MK38 Grade 5 32" sporter with adjustable stock and trap/beavertail forearm for me, thank you 🙂
I’ve got a miroku mk38 grade 5 and I love it, still got the bloody awful cardboard box as well
Thank you for your comment. Absolutely great guns and one of my favourites. Kind regards, Matt
14:24 Yes there is. The 525 is available as a sporter with trap forearm directly from Browning!
You are correct. Initially the 525 was only available in the UK with a beavertail forend on some limited edition guns. Thank you for pointing that out and keep enjoying the channel. Kind regards, Matt
@@PremierGunsDoveridge I will, thank You. I like Your channel and reviews 👍
Browning Heritage for me
What is the length of the forcing cones in the new MK38 ?
Grade 5 Mk 38 for me with the beaver tail forend . But then I'm a miroku man all the way
I definitely agree with you regarding the beavertail forend, much nicer.
You forgot the SL. Laminate...a real clay buster
This video is a comparison of the wooden stocked models. Please check out the 525 SL review for more info on the 525 laminate.
Great video! amazing review Matt!
I got a new MK38 Sporter 12M Grade 1 + Teague with a Schnabel forend (YX in serial number, 2023, I think), exactly like the one you have there on the review. Can you please confirm the wood finish of this Grade 1 model? Is it oil-finished? I am confused
Yes the Miroku MK38 has a oil finish from the factory 😊
@@PremierGunsDoveridge thanks for the answer 😃😃
Are the barrels interchangeable?
Miroku MK38 Over the Browning any day, shame Miroku have dropped the grade 3 and 6 though, I owned a grade 6, pleasant gun, used it mainly on pigeons.
Miroku wins hands down, there is a reason why browning doesn't want the Mk10 in Uk as it will completely kill their 525 sales, here in Aus Miroku built such a good name for themselves through early 70s they dominate the sales here, both guns are excellent, browning costs more grade to grade and can have nicer looks/more accessories in some guns, Miroku has more shooters gun feel
100% agree. I got the MK10 sporter as my second gun and absolutely love it. The less we say about my first gun the better.
@@BrodieD haha, i love my mk10, never felt outgunned and i shoot alongside 694s, krieghoffs and p guns every week, great guns
@@fullchoke01 my dad's got a Caesar Guerini Summit Impact and I've got to say I'd still pick my MK10 over it.
@@BrodieD they are a very hard gun to beat, our club uses mk70s as rent guns - i doubt many makes would stand upto what they go through in 3 years, just great all round
I just got a Mk10 grade 3, love it., it just feels right.
Doesn’t the Miroku MK11 come with an ABS case these days? Granted at a much higher price point? Great comparison Matt.
Yes Andrew MK11 and MK Game models are supplied in ABS cases. Glad you enjoyed the video. Matt
@PremierGuns - Quick question, if I may; I have an MK38 Sport. You said the 525 has recycled steel barrels. Does the MK38 have similar?
No Miroku is made from better steel
To my knowledge all Japanese built Miroku/Brownings are made from mild steel yes.
Having worked in metal recycling for over 30 years, I am somewhat puzzled at the ''new steel' v 'recycled steel. " There are many different grades of steel, but I haven't encountered one that doesn't incorporate secondary materials i.e. recycled i.e scrap. I may be wrong, but my suspicion would be that any increased likelihood of a Browning rusting is more likely to be as a result of the blueing/blacking process. It's surely unlikely that the factory would make effectively the same product in different grades of steel?
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Good review, i would like to compare a browning ultra xs pro and a Browning b725 Pro sport
Thank you for your comment, we will look into this idea for a future video 😊
Hi have You try the Charles daly u & o 12 ga. Il is a good choice? The one made In turkysh
Thank you for your comment. I am not aware of this make/model in the UK. Please can you send me some additional information to matt@premierguns.co.uk. Kind regards, Matt
In Australia I believe that the mk 70 and the 525 are the same. What is the Browning direct comparison to the mk 38?
Mk70 is same as the citori, mk10 is very similar to the 525, mk38 is basically an mk10 but can be had fixed chokes
Wouldnt 525 sporter laminate be best option for serious clay shooting?
The 525 SL is a great gun and should be a consideration when looking for a clay buster.
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I’ve got a 525 and I took it out of the ABS case when I bought it brand new and it’s never been back in it so the cardboard box whilst poor at purchase once it’s in a nice slip or the safe.. who cares
Agreed i've never used one and if i ever travel on a plane it won't be going in a plastic case anyway not strong enough
MK 38 for me always. Everyone has their own idea of what BC means before Miroku. I was told its for Bukichi 1st president of Miroku and Chiyoki 2nd presesident. Truth is no one really knows.
That is what it means, miroku mfg site explains it in some detail along with some very cool photos of the people
Indeed. I was always told it was to do with the Browning amalgamation. Great great shotguns regardless. Thank you for watching.
Thank you, PG. Where can I buy the MK 38 in the USA (Maine)?
Thank you for your comment. I believe that Miroku shotguns are not readily available in the USA however we regularly export them over there. Please contact me at matt@premierguns.co.uk with your requirements. Kind regards, Matt
The 525 is easily weighted, 3 cartridges fit wedged with a rag in the stock nicely and Browning sell a barrel weight for under the Forend. The weight is a royal rip off mind at £75 but easily added.
I love my Miroku albeit is a MK10. Only issue I have is after quite a few shots it gets a bit stiff and there is a pin in the foreend (I think it retains the ejector system) starts to come out
Do you use grease on locking wedge and slots? Bottom locking guns when hot can bite, the pin is common some use a small dot of blue locktite
@@fullchoke01 I use a lubrication oil rather than grease. I use to use grease but after a bit it seemed to get a bit gunky
@@BrodieD i use super lube synthetic grease, would highly recommend if ever feel like trying something else
@@fullchoke01 I'll give it a look
@@fullchoke01 I tried some waterproof silicone grease on my CG Summit a while back, worst grease i have ever used on a shotgun. It made the gun too difficult to open/close. I cleaned it all out and replaced it with some light multi purpose grease and never had a problem since.
Also, with the grease being light in colour, you can see when it gets dirty and time to renew it.
Would you rather buy a 2008 mk38 sporter or a 2018 browning sporter one
Either are as good as each other, they use the same action platform but the Miroku is heavier and engraved, where as the browning you could buy with a plain action.
First again
What about the Browning 325 how does that compare
We will think about doing a 525, 425, and 325 comparison video. The 325 is a great gun and does feature the famous 'Chopper Lump' barrels with their famous ring when shutting.
dont the miroku come with abs case now
Only the MK Game and MK11 models come without the grey cardboard!
Well I would be buying a new Miroku MK38 Sporter Grade 5, if my local Police Force hadn't unilaterally stopped accepting new Shotgun Grant Applications in August 2022. Very very frustrating!
What force are you with, I've had mine in a year and heard nothing!
Join the cpsa and get their legal dept on it!
I'm West Midlands and they weren't visiting during Covid. I had to get my MP involved. Only took one letter to sort it out.
I am really enjoying your reviews Matt but I think your history is a bit dodgy. Browning's close association with FN came after Winchester refused to pay a royalty for what became the Browning Auto 5 after previously purchasing most of Browning designs with a once off payment. After the President of Remington died of a heart attack just prior to meeting him, Browning negotiated successfully with FN for a royalty agreement for the A-5. Browning had previously sold designs to the FN concern beginning with the model 1899 pistol. Browning went to Herstal to supervise the initial production of the A-5 and stayed. The Browning Superposed was not the first OU shotgun the design having been around for centuries. The design was actually completed by his son Val after John Browning died. I believe the Parker Hale guns were manufactured by Olin Kodensha and are based on the Nikko/Winchester 101 design. The BC in the Miroku name is for Bukichi (Bukichi Miroku first President ) and Chiyoki (Second President Ido Chiyoki)
If you haven't already then a review of the Benelli 828u would be good.
Hi Richard. There is a 20 gauge 828U review. 12 gauge will be later on. Thank you.
So what would be an alternative to a mk38?
The Browning 525
Perazzi!! Can get older ones, (some sleepers) for reasonable £££...AND better than Mirook...(Ish) More Olympic medals etc..
@@sofalugger a perazzi is nowhere near as mechanically hard as a miroku, so not sure how they are better? What makes perazzi a good comp gun is that you can have one built to fit you, what chokes/ barrel spec you want etc, exact gun fit is what gives you those extra targets and buying a second hand one usually means its built for someone else,, an out of the box mk38 can take you to an olympic medal, the 3800 proved that
Lots of alternatives. Depends of course on budget and application. happy to help with any advice. Kind regards, Matt
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You have some info wrong
We can’t get Miroku shotguns here in the states. Case closed.
Thank you for your comment. It is no probem to export a Miroku to the US. We have done this many times. Please get in touch with your requirements. Thank you.
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