How We Solved FNAF's Biggest Debate - Explaining the Mimic and its Effect on the Games
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- FNAF's seventh Tales From The Pizzaplex book, Tiger Rock, was leaked recently and it CHANGES things. The FNAF community is currently very split on how the new Mimic lore should be interpreted, but I have faith that this book will clear a lot of the air and the biggest current debate will be solved.
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Timestamps:
0:00 Introduction
1:05 Mimic Catch-Up
5:12 Glitchtrap's Explanation
7:40 Burntrap's Explanation
8:58 Afton's Role
Music Used:
1 - Repentant - The Binding of Isac OST
2 - I Smell a Rat - Sly Cooper Thieves in Time OST
3 - Sodden Hollow - The Binding of Isaac (Rebirth) OST
4 - Puzzles (Reinvented) - Professor Layton and the Unwound/Lost Future OST
5 - Quiet and Falling - Celeste OST
#fnaf #securitybreach #fnaftheory - Hry
To me it seems like Glitchtrap/Mimic1 really is just mimicking Afton. With the bombshell in TMW confirming that Pizza sim is a canon game, It's even more likely. The problem people bring up is that The Mimic in the epilogues doesn't act like it's mimicking Afton and it doesn't have purple eyes, I would agree . I think this can be simply explained by the fact that Glitchtrap/Mimic1 hasn't reconnected with it's body yet(The Mimic). This happens when Glitchtrap orders Vanessa to pave the way back down to FFPS.
Great point! This whole time the Mimic has just been following its instructions - to break the limbs apart and pile them up. I'm not counting on it, but I kinda hope we get to see Vanny's interaction with Mimic/Burntrap later, to show what she really did to help out and why she was ever an important character in the first place.
@@OzoneYT Yea Vanny has to of had more importance than just killing kids. If she needed to also transfer Glitchtrap into his body, it makes more sense. On the topic of those kids, I wonder if they'll be important at all? I'm not sure if Burntrap is aware of what remnant even is. Possibly they inhabit the Blob?
@@OzoneYTIf they were the mimic don't think that just like the story they both have one blue eye and one green eye snd not purple eyes that the the thing thats throwing me of of burtrap and glitchtrap is the mimic
What does TMW stand for?
How is confirming that fnaf 6 is canon a bombshell ? Like it's obvious
I literally found your channel less than an hour ago, skimmed through a couple of your vids, loved them, and then you immediately posted this LMAO awesome
Hehe welcome, glad you enjoyed them!!
@@OzoneYTk here's my theory it's never said what circuit board they use for the vr game what if somehow the spirit of William is in the spring bonnie Circuit board that the vr company use and what if fazbear entertainment found a useable circuit board with code in it sence their cheep they deside to put the mimic1 program in it and atachit to the pizza place and their afton code/spirit and the mimic 1 program is fusot together but afton is the one in control
The whole point of this new chapter of FNAF is the theme of "Mimicking". EVERYTHING in Security Breach like Gregory, Vanessa, Vanny and more is mimicking the past but not connected. There are no old spirits left but the memories remain.
Gregory -> Crying Child, Vanessa -> Elizabeth(?) & Vanny -> William Afton. They aren't robots or the same but they do have similarities.
Agreed ! The new lore of FNaF is building itself on already pre-established grounds to add fresh new twists and turns to it without feeling too far from what we know.
Couldn't agree more. If there was one word I think was more important than any other at this point in time in the FNAF lore, it's LEGACY. The Mimic is carrying over the legacy of William Afton and we are now seeing the repercussions of that. It's fascinating storytelling.
legacy o7
Good idea, however I do think Agony has a role in this. The FNAF 6 pizzeria where Mimic lives would literally be filled agony, so what if Mimic a robot made to mimic people even seemingly imitating it's creators rage was able to mimic agony itself in this case the agony of Freddy's.
The one thing that doesn’t make sense to me is the ending of PQ1 where glitchtrap/ mimic says I always come back. If mimic has no Afton in it then it would have no reason to say this
I believe that Afton is still around and has possessed the mimic1 software. It gives a reason why Glitchtrap is in the form of spring-bonnie and why Burntrap's eye color is different than the Mimics. And, it could explain why the character we play as in ruin is named Cassie, a nickname for Cassidy. She could either play a similar role, trying to defeat Afton or is in some way possessed by the original Cassidy.
Hey, just a detail: Interestingly, Special Delivery seems to indicate that Cassidy hasn't rested yet.
During the game's trailer and teaser, we see something/someone called "C" saying he will find you. And above that "C", is "ITS ME".
One could easily assume that this is just a red herring for Cassidy, and "ITS ME" is just referring to William like in Curse Of Dreadbear DLC (TUG confirms)
Buuuuuuut, Golden Freddy is in FNaF AR. Not only that, he is completely paranormal. It works even when underwater, it always says "ITS ME", and mostly, he has strangely non-robotic movements. All this leads me to believe that Cassidy is back (explaining the "C"), and is in pursuit of William Afton.
Thanks for reading. Sorry for anything. until!
That definitely would make the most sense I think - otherwise there's not much motivation or drive for the Mimic1 software to mimic Afton specifically. Burntrap's different eye color is a great point.
I do have one idea. Perhaps Afton managed to escape into the digital world as he did in room 1280, and essentially did what he did with the stitchwraith. Not in complete control, but piggyback riding, slightly influencing it’s motives. This would explain why the mimic01 is following Afton out of all the possibilities.
Yeah, I actually think that's the most likely outcome coming off of this video! I guess we're just missing a few pieces of information and I really hope we get clarification in the near future!
Yeah but where are Stitchwraith and Eleanor then?
Its interesting that we never hear about the mimic or the virus till after the events of pizza sim happens, i really like the idea of the card we take from baby in SL is the mimic virus. But i wish if i knew more about its origins.
Alright Ozone, time for my weekly comment. As per usual, we start with my thoughts on the video itself. I really loved the editing and music in this. I think music just adds so much more to the video, and you have gotta keep using it. As for editing, it was quite good, not much else to say on it cause I have no clue how editing works. Onto the theory part.
1. Okay, we’re doing 2 parts this time. This first one will be about the last thing you talked about in the video, which was the 3 possibilities for where Afton went. However, I would like to focus on the second possibility: Stitchlinegames is true. I agree with this one, I believe Stitchlinegames and have since frailty. This is mainly for a meta reason, which is frailty. Tales has been marketed as a sequel to frights, and the first book of tales features a story with the main plot device of stitchline. It’s weird, isn’t it? I think this makes sense if Scott was going for stitchlinegames, if not it’d just be quite weird. Secondly, the story itself. Here’s the thing: we know stitchline. We know what the pendant is, we know Eleanor. If we didn’t know stitchline, that story would make no sense whatsoever. It doesn’t explain what the pendant does, someone who has never read frights would be confused as hell. The story was MEANT for people who had read frights, that’s why it doesn’t explain anything, it already assumes that we know what the pendant is and how important it is. I doubt Scott would do this if he didn’t want Stitchlinegames to be true, as that story requires stitchline to make sense. Now, onto your puppet point. That’s what your dealbreaker seemed to be, the puppet mask on the blob. However, I don’t find this to be that difficult to answer, as I must ask YOU the question, what about the other parts? How is normal baby’s head here, funtime freddy’s? Those heads should be their scrap forms, not the originals. Them being the originals implies that they ARENT the originals, and are simply from a different baby and Funtime Freddy. Where could these have come from? I think a solid answer is fnaf AR. I think that all of the heads and parts on the blob came from some AR animatronics that were being shown off at rockstar row or whatever. This explains the puppet, lefty was intended to be in that game. While he isn’t of course, he was always intended to be and everything of him is in the files. The puppet mask could’ve been from an AR Lefty, there wouldn’t be tear tracks as the puppet isn’t supposed to have tear tracks. Another option is FE was able to retrieve the original puppet mask from the lake, though that seems unlikely?
2. Okay I’m sorry that took awhile haha. But now, I’m gonna talk about the springlock suits in the epilogues. You didn’t mention this, so maybe you didn’t realize it, but Scott has done this perfectly. Springlock suits aren’t important to the epilogues at all so far, they serve no purpose. So why would Scott choose to add them? Clearly, they have to have some reason to be in the epilogues, they’re a very important thing in fnaf after all, Scott wouldn’t just go around throwing them wherever he’d like to. Scott is setting up a springlocking. That’s why they keep being mentioned despite having no payoff, that’s why he chose Lucia, the LAST SURVIVING PROTAGONIST to be the one to learn about them. As far as we know, there is 1 or 2 epilogues left. We are down to one teenager, one who Scott has set up to learn about springlock suits and know how they work, and how dangerous they are. We have our one antagonist, who now has almost all he needs to become burntrap, all that’s left is the springbonnie springlock suit. We most likely have one epilogue left. Everything has fallen into place PERFECTLY. Lucia will springlock Mimic, creating Burntrap. If this doesn’t happen, it makes no sense storytelling wise. Why would scott choose to bring up this random plot point with springlock suits, one of the most important/iconic things in the fnaf series, to do nothing with it? Everything has been put into place, it is very clear how the story of these epilogues will end.
Okay all done, great video:D
I feel really bad because you wrote ALL THAT and my response is going to be like two sentences loll, but your points are fanTASTIC. They're actually all things I've heard / considered before (I don't even know why I didn't talk about your second point in my video), but when you put it all together it does all make a lot of sense. If Lucia does end up springlocking the Mimic, I think it has the potential to be the best possible finale for this amazing series of books, so I am hoping and praying that it does happen.
Anyway thank you for the kind words. If you have any other fun music suggestions then let me know, I'm always looking for new music to use! :)
@@OzoneYT fr fr brozone
The editing and writing just get better and better ! Even if it's a bit too early to say such a thing, I do like the way FNaF lore is evolving, the path it's taking. Glithtrap, the Mimic, the past repeating itself through themes but also with new ones and new character... I'm not really convinced by the Fazbear Frights stories tying into the Game lore.
Thank you so much! I do completely agree - I think the FNAF lore is evolving in such a great way in conjunction with these books.
I actually think a lot of the story elements, especially in Security Breach, felt kinda bare and vague at first, but with all of this Mimic lore I now see it as a puzzle piece that perfectly explains why some things didn't add up at first in the games. I love it
I see it as Afton's evil is corrupting the mimic program. Afton himself is gone, but his evil, his agony is latching onto the program and turning him into a replica of the killer (possibly even manifesting as a specific shadowy agony-connected rabbit)
Or, Afton's evil will allow him to corrupt and even possess the Mimic despite being in UCN (or even breach UCN), allowing Afton to return partially but with a new form.
I'd say the first is a bit more likely, as the Afton Amalgamation story was all about Afton corrupting things with his evil and his spirit apparently appearing in the form of a shifting blob that turns into a rabbit-like creature.
So a rabbit that can infect heaps of trash or other animatronics and even humans with his evil, making them apart of himself with his real form being a shapeless, shifting blob of darkness vaguely in the shape of a rabbit
It kinda fits
So to TL;DR: Afton's agony turns the Mimic into a sigma male viewer and he pretends to be Afton while corrupting everything he touches, until all is Afton.
After watching this video I realized that maybe the Lonely Freddy
and the into the flesh stories explain how does Glitchtrap/Mimic1 program be just a program yet be able to swap minds or atleast mind control Vannessa, so i now am a firm believer that Afton is not back and all the problems i had with the mimic have been solved if the mimic is infused with agony
The more I think about it, the more I compare the current relationship of the games and the books with the novel umineko, a murder mystery novel that uses parallelism and unreliable POVs to both help the reader reach the truth slowly and confuse them along the way. In a lot of ways, solving fnaf feels similar to attempting to solve umineko as you read through it.
Mimic is probably real in the games timeline in SOME sense. It's probably just not straightforward cannon, as in the events are similar or meant to parallel things that are cannon to the game's continuity, but all events in the books continuity are cannon in their own wright. Doesn't mean the stories can't add new information/pieces of evidence/connections to what we already have, though. Just to use completely new evidence that doesn't seem to have an already existing parallel to it at first glance with a bucket of salt.
Claiming that mimic is canon as-is shown in the books implies some amount of re-writing of the cannon game story so far, including at the very least the addition of a tiger animatronic, if not the stitchwraith stories as a whole.
I feel like a much better approach at attempting to understand the mimic's participation in the game's timelines is take key notes of what event in the book might mean, either the sentiments behind the events, their results/consequences, their goals or the characters involved in them, and then try to use those notes to string together already existing evidence present in the games. Shoehorning in the mimic just breaks too many connections for me, and leaves the plot feeling very unsatisfying.
I truly believe the mimic in the games is a thing, but perhaps just not as straightforward as the community seems to believe it is.
Personally, for example, if I were to analyze the evidence and try to find a good candidate for the mimic between the already existing cast of animatronics, my guess would be mangle. A fox is much closer to a tiger than a bunny or baby, and mangle is shown as having learnt to imitate a dog, alongside being extremely violent to most adults around them. If mangle is a remnant of funtime foxy's scraps, or maybe of a funtime foxy prototype, them having the ability to copy voices would make sense. This would also bring back relevance to the bite of '87, which ever since the bite of '83 has been left aside by most of the theorists in the fandom. Mangle is shown to be in elisabeth's room in FNAF 4, completely strown in the floor. Now, perhaps, we could link this to the physical abuse the "creator" forced onto the "mimic" after their daughter dies and it proceeds to continue copying her behaviour. Also gives mangle's presence in the freddy Vs foxy anime cutscenes in UCN a deeper meaning. There's probably some other connections that could be made here that I personally just couldn't think of of the top of my head.
Is my theory perfect? Probably not. Is it more narratively satisfyingly and more logical than the addition (and debatable retconning) of a new animatronic onto the franchise and lore? I think so.
I like the idea that Afton *is* possessing the mimic1 program. I think this is possible because of a couple separate things:
1. In the Help Wanted tapes, they said they scanned circuit board*S* (plural) I'm not the best with technology, but I know that typically, a device only really has one. This means that it is highly probable that multiple separate animatronics were scanned into the VR game, and the agony and remnant came with, not *just* Willy A. inside the game, but other agony and remnant from other people as well.
2. At the end of the sitchwraith stingers, they fight the giant afton beast, however it is stated that Afton's actual soul was barely hanging on by a thread, & once they realized this they stopped elanor instead, with Afton going down easily after the puppet got him. Using this knowledge, anything that was recovered from afton is probably still just as weak, so if he *is* inside the mimic program, he is not fully in control, probably more subtle and hidden like he is with the stithwraith, only doing things sometimes.
But with this, it makes sense for him to be apart of the mimic, but how would afton get there in the 1st place?
Whilst I enjoy the idea of him getting scanned in with the other fnaf VR animatronics & the mimic, I thought of a more plausible idea.
We for a fact that *somehow*, the puppet was collected and made apart of the blob. It is possible that what was left of Afton also got collected. If you stretch the timing of when this was done, it is possible that this was done pre-VR and was scanned into the game, however, I prefer the idea that, the blob, being connected by wires, probably to the storyteller, which is connected to the animatronics, that when the mimic1 program got introduced into everything initially, the agony and remnant from the blob became apart of the mimic1 program, and Afton along with it.
5:54
Guys he's profile picture has also one green and one blue eye!! Plus they are lighted up like in the video😂
Did you do this just for this video?
Yes I am the Mimic now worship me
@@OzoneYT oh uh😦
WHAT DO I DO!?😱
Originally I didn't mind the idea of Afton returning, but now I'm kinda hoping he hasn't, at least not through the Mimic.
I actually really like the Mimic even if it wasn't presented to us in the best way. It would just seem a bit pointless if the Mimic only amounted to just being a means for Afton returning.
Have Ozone's eyes *always* been blue and green? Or is there a Mimic impostor?
They've definitely always been like that I definitely didn't change it just for this video :)
@@OzoneYT hmm...
@@OzoneYT you could say they're "heterochroMimic"
Here's my guess as to whats going on with the current storyline of FNAF, prepare for the big text block.
Everything seems to be pointing towards Glitchtrap and Burntrap, the main villain/s of the "modern" FNAF games, being The Mimic, the main villain in Tales from the Pizzaplex. The question then becomes whether Mimic is actually Afton, but I don't think this is the case simply because of the name "Mimic." Why setup this elaborate plotline about a character whose sole purpose is to mimic the things it sees, only for it to actually *be* said thing? That just sounds redundant, we wouldn't need a big overarching story if thats the conclusion we're supposed to have.
But, if its really true that Afton, our previously main villain, is not Mimic, our new main villain; then this has massive ramifications for the overall story. If our main villain is essentially a "copycat," then its likely this is one of the biggest core themes in this new story. So many other characters make more sense using this same logic: all of Vanessa and Gregory's connections to Elizabeth and the Crying Child? They represent Afton's kids in the same way Mimic represents Afton himself. Cassie? Cassidy. The Blob? Molten Freddy. etc.
The reason why this theme would be important is because it bridges off of the fire from Pizzeria Simulator where everyone was supposed to die. To me, I think everyone from Pizzeria Simulator did die, either in the fire itself or in the direct aftermath (Stitchwraith Stingers, of course, if they're canon.)
As for where I think the story is heading, moving forward, well I think it does tie back to FFPS. Out of all of the characters from the original lore, there's only a few who we know weren't in that fire, nor got closure anywhere else: The Shadow Animatronics. After FFPS, we have Fazbear's Frights, where its ultimately revealed that Eleanor, the main villain of that book series, was actually a big shadowy monster that feeds on suffering... then we have Princess Quest, where Glitchtrap looks like a big shadow monster... and then we have the RUIN trailer, where Glitchtrap appears in a form more reminiscent of his form in PQ, all of which resemble Shadow Bonnie, a character who shows up again in Special Delivery.
I think the most damning part of this is that, if you think about it, what is the one thing that all of the shadow animatronics do? They mimic other characters. Shadow Freddy mimics Golden Freddy (and also William in Follow Me), RXQ mimics Toy Bonnie, Nightmare mimics Nightmare Fredbear, Xor mimics DeeDee, the Shadow Princess mimics the Princess. All of this, is what I think this new storyline is building up towards.
I still can't get over the lack of Bonnie in tales. His history just doesn't line up - he is in the band at some point, and yet Tales sets up Monty as the bass player since at least The Storyteller, and it just doesn't make sense to have so much about Bonnie in the games and then have him be irrelevant to the plot otherwise in a way where you can just throw him out. I've got other problems too - a separate continuity error that I've spent far too long thinking about (thanks for the "early 70s" line, The Mimic...), where is Vanny?, Gregory's age makes no sense unless the virus stops aging (which we have no other evidence for or against, but weird assumption), and I'm still not convinced that Mimic would present as a tiger with any level of Afton affecting it (which I do think is the case in the games) - and overall, I just see too many issues to call Tales fully canon. See you in a week when Ruin probably gives us the answer, one way or the other.
My lean is some form of Afton.
Regarding Glitchtrap sometimes being green, you could attribute that to Springtrap, however the suit would've been yellow for the murders and rotted green after the spring lock failure; I doubt Afton could lure kids in that state.
Another thing is PQ having the "I always come back"; would've Afton *really* said for the MCI?
You got the music nailed. It makes all the difference in videos especially one dissecting FNAF Lore.
I think the B7-2 book will tie everything together. I’m waiting on it. Good video though.
Is it weird that after hearing about the mimic, I kinda want afton back? Not because I hate the mimic or anything, but it would be scary to have both a soul of a murderer and a learning ai being combined. Like the mimic is pretending to be afton and then afton comes back, finds the mimic and is like “let me show you how to scratch it” and decided to team up
Hey Ozone! Before I speak I would like to comment on how good this video was. Seriously, the editing, the narration, everything was so fun to follow! Anyway, on to my current thoughts.
Apparently, just like you, I'm going through a phase where I've called "Tales of Schrödinger's", where I just can't tell if the Tales series is canon to games or not.
But, my current answer is: NO.
I believed they were canon until days ago, but in the last 2 days I've been analyzing a lot, and I realized that many theorists are missing several points.
- The Ultimate Guide & The Encyclopedia of Characters always say that Glitchtrap and Burntrap are William Afton.
- The Encyclopedia says that the body in Burntrap is the one that was in Springtrap, which in this case is William. This ties in with the Security Breach Files quote about Burntrap's body being William's.
- In the FNaF AR trailer, the sprite of Purple Guy appears, and in sequence the sprite of Glitchtrap appears.
- In the SB trailer, William Afton is talking to Vanny.
- Glitchtrap, as shown in Curse of Dreadbear and source code for teaser images and etc, behaves differently than Mimic. In Epilogue 7 we have a POV of Mimic, and there we see perfectly well that Mimic just follows his programming and has no reference to William Afton.
- Finally, Princess Quest has Glitchtrap bluntly saying "I always come back, let me out".
Everything I said and more is what made me go back and not believe in TalesGames. For me, either Glitchtrap is William or it is Mimic, if it's both, Mimic's plot is completely unnecessary.
Sure, there's some evidence for Mimic in games, like the tears in Glitchtrap or that Endo from Showbiz. But I have explanations for them: Glitchtrap in PQ also has this design, and as stated, he is shown to be William Afton. About Showbiz, well, the HW/AR plot is boards from old robots being used in these projects, so images of robots and circuit boards make sense.
I don't want to impose my belief on anyone. Everyone is free to believe what they want and as long as it's not disrespectful I'm fine with the person.
However, what I find wrong, is to see so many theorists completely ignoring these clues that show Glitchtrap=Afton. After all, if you're a theorist, your purpose is to get as many confirmations as possible about something and believe in the most probable, right?
Again, I'm not saying you NEED to believe in x or y, because this is just a game. Thanks for the Ozone video, thanks for the time, and thanks for reading.
Sorry for anything.
Until!
This is the devil speaking to me, I swear. At least it's a nice devil :)
Your points are VERY good and I HATE that they are good because I don't want to trail back into the middle-ground ahahah (I love how you called it Tales of Schrödinger's)
One thing you pointed out which is amazing is how "In the SB trailer, William Afton is talking to Vanny." THAT DIDN'T EVEN CROSS MY MIND.. I think it's still very possible that Afton is, in some way connected to the Mimic still, but I'm not gonna disregard your points here.
Thank you so much for watching and for your comment, I really appreciate it!!
@@OzoneYT I thank you for the amazing video! It may not be the best for my beliefs, but it will certainly be the best for someone else.
Keep up the amazing work Ozone, until! ;)
Aight listen up, so we know from those cut FF stories that there's fnaf fans within the fnaf universe and that everyones abuzz with snodgrasses games, even if they were cut and can't be considered canon, let's use that as a parallel. The mimic is used as a storytelling device, we can assume there's an input of information, with subsequent processing and output as behavior, showtime choreography, themes and whatever else the mimic/storyteller has control over. What if the input was, like real current day AI, an internet search, and what the program compiles as the most popular part of freddys - the "theorizing" and rumors about afton and the 80's and it outputs a literal recreation of past events, down to the MCI in help wanted
"Welcome to my Brain" is such a good quote! Been think about maybe the Mimic and Afton are both there but we don't know who is who, yet. Part of me doesn't want Burntrap to just be the mimic copying Afton. Because what the cool stuff the Mimic does it in books, is so cool and creepy, it would feel like a wasted opportunity for this amazing new character. Great video!!!
"Welcome to my brain"
- Kane to Montgomery Gator in The Monty Within
the Isaac music kicked and serotonin smashed me, I love the burning basement and caves themes so much that I pretty much know them beat-for-beat and now want to learn them on bass
another great video!
Personally I believe that since the Mimic program was uploaded into not only Help Wanted, but basically Fazbear Entertainment as a whole, I basically gained access to the full and complete history of not only William but Fazbear Entertainment. and considering how in many of the Tales books, FazEnt treats William as a character in their 'lore', I believe the Mimic is just replicating the main villan of their stories.
unrelated but a note about Frailty, almost none of it makes sense. Not only is the puppet mask on the blob, but Frailty takes place durring one of the pizzaplexes being open, basically this would be far after the Frights stories would end and it would leave many questions like how is Jessica turned to scrap is Eleanor is dead and how did she get the pendant
That's a good point about Fazbear Entertainment - realistically, they do just see William Afton as one of their characters in an old tale. Maybe that helps connect things even more - the Mimic1 program was used as a storyteller, maybe it went straight to William Afton from there. Either way, this whole story is getting very interesting and I can't wait to see where it goes next..
@@OzoneYT exactly! FazEnt depicts William as not only a character, but their big bad villian! and who else better to Mimic than the main antagonist
@@OzoneYT Maybe its something as simple as: In the next/last book the mimc finds or is given scaptraps corpse and it "wears it" but this time its fusing with Williams agony so he sort of takes over. Theres been numerous stories that have dealt with Aftons agony getting on things (fetch etc..). And when you think back to the different trailers of security breach (that were never in the game and obviously got cut for whatever reason) what about that ones where vanny is seemingly talking to someone (presumably william) on a couple occasions and then theres the one where , again, presumably william is speaking back "you will give me what I want or you, BOTH OF YOU, WILL BURRRRN!"...I mean who was that suppose to be? It doesn't really make sense if its not William
@@SC-ec8xeActually, in the epilogue of Tiger Rock Mimic pulls up an Ennard 2.0 on Kelly and turns out Burntrap's corpse is Kelly. Plus, William barely could keep his soul in this world, according to Frights. There's no way he could keep attaching to this world after the amalgamation was destroyed.
Nothing says Mimic wouldn't say something like that XD
I actually like the idea of Mimic mimicking William because FE treats him as the bad guy in their stories. Well, they technically don't. Its Springtrap who they treat as the bad guy. They present Springtrap as an alter ego of William, according to Pressure. But yeah, it makes sense.
Though I personally belive there is too much narrative redundancy to the books to be direct canon with the games, taking place in the same timeline, and it feeling rather retcon-y with the immediate mental reaction and appearance of burntrap heavily implying that "hey this is william afton" much in the same way that the blob being composed of older endos and animatronic shells implies its physically the agony of those in it, I really love the concept of Glitchtrap being a Mimic algorithm, leaving aftons spirit to rot in UCN. Hoping ruin cleans some of this up, but until then I remind everyone to not get mad if someone disagrees with you, these are all just theories, we all have a common goal of understanding what story is trying to he told, and if we are at each others throats over books canonicity (which is ironic how the opposite was an issue with good old Matty patty intigrating the silver eyes into his theories back in the day) it won't get us closer to the answers we seek.
A lot of people didn’t like Afton coming back in Security Breach despite his death in Pizza SIM. In response, Steel Wool created The Mimic to retcon Afton being Glitchtrap/Burntrap.
Ozone you should make theories more often, you are really good, you are not biased, instead you offer multiple possibilities and your editing is peak. that said, i agree with most of what you say, i definitely think that afton possessing the mimic in some way would totally nullify his point as an AI villain, and there would be no reason to make his story that articulate(even with likely references in the games like the wall code and endo's nursery) just for it to be a vessel. i don't think the physical body of burntrap having multiple assets has any relevance, after all the only glamrock parts are the pelvis, lower legs and shoulder joints, the descriptions in the stories and epilogues give expleantions for his curved ribcage and his pointy fingers; i think steel wool was just running out of time and had to rush burntrap's and blob's designs becuase they did them last(this would also explains why his bossfight was butchered too, due to cut animations). i think your "hide and seek" theory works, but there are still some weird connections between afton and mimic that seem more than just mimic taking his appearence for conveniency, namely the afton staffbot family and gregory looking like CC(and maybe david), perhaps his character will get explained more soon
Aw thank you so much!! I put a lot of effort into this video and I'm glad it paid off - I tend to try to stay as unbiased as possible so I can offer food for thought on both sides. In terms of the Mimic, I do think it's trying its best to be Afton, in every way shape and form. Remember in GGY how Greg was 'the wizard's most favored apprentice'? I think that's a huge nod that the Mimic CHOSE Gregory BECAUSE he looks like Afton's son. (The amount of layers there are to this story are insane) And so I think a lot of things can be explained by connecting all of these dots, including the STAFF bot family and including Vanessa's family history which she lied about. It's fascinating to see how deep we can go with this!
I’m so excited for the rest of the audiobooks,it is crazy how much the books connect to the games or at least explain stuff in them.I binged the whole book series in a couple weeks😂
I personally think that this could be another untold FNaF retcon. Maybe Glitchtrap and Burntrap WERE meant to be Afton, however after the backlash that it received with Security Breach’s release he probably has now decided to make it their separate new character mimicking Afton. All the newer stories have been pointing at this being true.
And they suck
The mimic have grown on me, but you touch my fears for it. Is it just Anton two steps removed, or is it a copycat killer? One is extremely interesting, and the other puts us right back where security breach left us.
I have a theory that may tie things together, fair warning I may ramble.
I believe The Mimic was originally its own entity separate from Afton, and that the epilogues are in fact part of the game’s lore (or at least exist to fill in the gaps to some extent). However I don’t believe that Glitchtrap is the Mimic1 A.I for two main reasons.
1) the Mimic1 A.I wasn’t uploaded to the system until after the pizzaplex was already constructed.
2) the conversations and interactions between Vanessa/Vanny and Glitchtrap.
I believe that during the events of help wanted somebody provided circuit boards to the (in game) game devs to make the process smoother but (whether accidental or intentionally) included circuits from the Springtrap suit, which gave Afton a way out of Cassidy’s prison. After which he decides to start trying to find a way out and the events of help wanted play out.
Sometime after The Mimic is found by Fazbear Entertainment and slaughters 2 teams sent to collect it, but they eventually manage to deactivate it and move it to the pizzaplex along with a copy of the Mimic1 program. Gil (at least I think his name was Gil) attempts to program the Mimic to essentially do his job for him, tearing off the limbs and heads of the endoskeletons from the fnaf 6 location and piling them up. But in typical fnaf fashion it doesn’t stop at endos and massacres everyone in sight. The epilogues ensue.
Meanwhile Afton, now in partial control of Vanessa via the Vanny persona (or fursona if we’re being blunt here) has Vanessa land a job at Fazbear Entertainment and gets her to put him into the company system, which causes the animatronics of the Special Delivery service to start acting more erratic and aggressive (to the point bonnie ate a cat). At the same time Glitchtrap researches how to “induce compliance in human subjects” and further his control over Vanessa’s mind. While the new Vanny persona that formed as a side effect of his corruption began to put together her own rabbit suit to begin her work. This didn’t go without notice however as the company keeps track of their employees search history, but mysteriously it’s all swept under the rug.
Sometime after the pizzaplex opened to the public the company decided to use the Mimic one program for the storyteller tree (which connects to the entire pizzaplex via its roots. This causes the other animatronics to begin acting like the mimic, aggressive, possessive and overall more destructive (Tiger Rock is a perfect example). So now the pizzaplex has The Mimic murdering anyone who finds it underground while the animatronics are acting more and more dangerous on the surface.
(Side note I’m not even gonna touch the whole Gregory debate as of now this is just about Mimic, Glitchtrap and Vanny.)
Eventually Vanessa gets the job as head security guard at the pizzaplex (despite apparently being super under-qualified) as per orders from the top of the corporate ladder of Fazbear Entertainment. Soon after Vanny begins to hack the Pizzaplex system and give Glitchtrap access to the Pizzaplex system and allow him to take control of everything (possibly including the Mimic1 programming if he didn’t delete it from the system entirely). Eventually Vanny uses the Glamrock animatronics to excavate (is that the right word?) the sealed remains of the fnaf 6 location where the Mimic is being held. It likely attacks them (possibly destroying Glamrock Bonnie in the process) but is subdued and later used as the main base for the Burntrap body.
While in the shadows the remains of the (now literally) Molten Freddy reawakens due to Afton’s presence in the building. Now with no programming it begins collecting any scrap of remnant from the pizzaplex and the fnaf 6 location. Eventually forming itself into the blob.
I really really enjoyed your Video!
As a Talesgames believer myself I think you did an amazing job explaining The Mimic and how it most likely is Glitchtrap and Burntrap.
To answer your question on what happened to Afton:
Because I believe in Stitchline games. I think Afton is long dead. And If the next Tales epilogue shows scraptrap's body with no William inside, that will basically confirm it.
What about the Puppet mask on the Blob?, well It could just be a different Puppet mask, like how the other masks on the blob are just replicas and not the actual heads. We already know different puppet masks exist thanks to FNaF 3, where we see a replica mask on the wall.
Thank you so much, I really appreciate your kind words!
I REALLY want to believe StitchlineGames because I think it's pretty satisfying for Afton to just be gone from that point. He was tortured in UCN / TMIR1280, he was let go for a little while and his agony had an effect on everything we see in the Fazbear Frights and then he sinks to the bottom of the lake, never to be seen again. It's crazy to think that could be the end of him!
I guess the only unsatisfying point is the Puppet's mask. You bring up a valid point, but unfortunately I still don't really buy it, and I don't think it's an evidence-based conclusion, I think it's just how I feel about it. It could go either way I think, currently I just see other theories as being easier to believe.
@@OzoneYT I get what you mean, but what evidence is there that suggests it's THE puppet mask from FNaF 6 ?. Why would the other masks be replicas except for the Puppet mask ?. If the Blob actually had parts from FNaF 6, where is it ?. Where's Molten Freddy, scrap baby and Lefty ?.
What significance would there be if the actual puppet mask was there but not the other scrap animatronics ?. To show us that she's free ?. We already knew that since FNaF 6 and Frights.
If all of the other masks and parts are replicas, I would be inclined to believe the mask is a replica as well.
But that's just my opinion :)
what if at the end mimic gets into a white tiger suit, gets destroyed and ends up in the storyteller not being burntrap as a plot twist
I thought Burntrap was the combination of william's corpse, glitchtrap, the mimic and agony. His eyes are blackened, he has a new endo and there's no real sense in the body being anyone but afton(though if it's kelly that would be tragic but less of a pay off imo). It doesn't all come together until the very end of tales or we'd have seen mimic acting a bit more like a person in a costume and probably would be using a kitchen knife. I think it would make sense if it was infected with the glitchtrap virus when it got brought into the pizza plex by (presumably) Vanny. Then Vanny could've grafted the corpse of william(after she gets Freddy and gang to dig up the old pizzaria) onto the endo, cleaning off any bits of kelly that could be left-leaving only the agony of his death. Ik it's a bit of a sandwich but if 1 child soul can keep you trapped in hell, you'll need to bolster that trapped soul if it were to ever break free and return
I believe that the Glitchtrap virus is pretending to be William Afton, as it’s mimicking him. Vanessa probably believes it’s William talking to her. But I don’t think William is there in Burntrap. I believe he’s still in purgatory in UCN.
Cassidy, the princess from princess quest/Golden Freddy, probably doesn’t know the difference from real William and Mimic William, or at least realizes that Mimic William will cause the same harm that the original did, and that’s why we see her in Princess Quest trying to stop the Glitchtrap virus. Could this mean William has passed on if Cassidy isn’t in UCN? Maybe. But I don’t think he’s there anymore in the real world. His body is, but I think the Mimic is just using his form and his behaviors. But Vanessa wouldn’t know the difference.
The corpse of buntrap is a teen named Kelly from the epologof tails from the pizza plex
@@L.P.INDUSTRIES_ROBOTICS the story isn't complete yet but i understand that Kelly get skin suited like Michael (kinda)
Coming from someone who doesn’t own any of the Tales From The Pizzaplex books, these videos are so informative and genuinely so entertaining!
FNAF has to adapt to a new era, and I think the mimic is a good turning point! I know the Afton and Emily family will always be the base of FNAF, but that’s when Steelwool could release their Fredbear family diner game they keep talking about!
Maybe its something as simple as: In the next/last book the mimc finds or is given scaptraps corpse and it "wears it" but this time its fusing with Williams agony so he sort of takes over. Theres been stories that have dealt with Aftons agony getting on things (fetch etc..). And when you think back to the different trailers of security breach (that were never in the game and obviously got cut for whatever reason) what about that ones where vanny is seemingly talking to someone (presumably william) on a couple occasions and then theres the one where , again, presumably william is speaking back "you will give me what I want or you, BOTH OF YOU, WILL BURRRRN!"...I mean who was that suppose to be? It doesn't really make sense if its not William. Just a thought.
I think there's still a possibility his soul is trapped in UCN and a digital echo/duplicate was created when the boards were scanned.
Mimic1 and Glitchtrap meet at the pizza-plex and one absorbs and assimilates the other.
You brought up Pizza Party as a point, but we don't see Glitchtrap in it; we see Springbonnie
What I mean by this is that Pizza Party is intended by the in-universe VR team (we know this because you don't need to have collected any tapes to access it, and HandUnit tells us that's the ending of the Fazbear Virtual Experience
4:44 YOU STARTED PLAYING ISAAC MUSIC WHILE I WAS PLAYING ISAAC AND I GOT CONFUSED!!!
i believe that glitchtrap and burntrap ARE AND ALWAYS WILL BE our William who escaped somehow ucn :3 if mimic1 is the original name for glitchtrap/malhare then i can agree only if mimic1 is actually under Afton's control so basically the virus that William is using to control glitchtrap :3
I like that you phrased it "How does Afton fit in with this?" rather than "How does This fit in with Afton?" A strong case can be made at this point that he is but an echo from the past-a *remnant* BA DUM TIS! My next train of thought is how the Mimic1 program becomes infected. We have at least 2 different times that a glitch is introduced, once in HW from scanning the circuit boards and the other from SB therapy tapes when Patient 46(Gregory the Hacker) introduced one and was confronted about it. How do all those pieces come together to create the current events?🤔
I like the idea of scanning the Mimic’s boards into Help Wanted. The thought of them taking boards from the destroyed corpse/suit of Afton and then the remnant creating a virus never made sense to me. It makes a lot more sense that the AI in the game would cause problems.
As for Gregory’s involvement, I feel like he was the one who hacked the system and infected the Glamrocks, with Freddy remaining immune because he was in safe mode. That makes sense for why Gregory would be at the pizzaplex- to see his hack go down, but it probably bites him in the butt when the Glamrocks start hunting him too.
i don't know if it will have importance or not but the mimic/tiger was represented by blue and green and now we are shown at multiple occasion the colors purple and green. it might be because afton fused in some way with the mimic , turning his reprentative colors from blue/green to purple/green, showing that the mimic is still there, but that afton is there too now.
A fourth possibility could just be; William is dead, mimic wears a springtrap suit in the following epilogues.
The blob has a Glamrock Endo instead of the Yenndo look at the Jumpscare maybe it could be blobby?
I’m not really with the theory of the Mimic, but it is nice to hear other peoples theories and ideas on it. 👍👍(side note: it was confirmed that the books are NOT game cannon and are a separate universe.)
The mimic is so trash
After hearing this theory, I remembered something from the books and the games. Agony and Remnant are similar but different. What if it is not Afton's soul or Remnant possessing the mimic, but rather Afton's Agony. It would explain how the Mimic acts so much like Afton, while also recognizing that Afton should still technically be in his UCN Hell.
It's surprisingly neither. Going by what is said in Help Wanted and Special Delivery, both GlitchTrap and the Mimic were once a single virus entity.
A "Client" takes some old hardware and circuit boards to a Fazbear team making the game and they scan them and use them. A virus emerges from all that and becomes GlitchTrap. Shortly afterwards, the "Client" steals all he gave back and sends them to another Fazbear department, where again, after scanning, a virus breaks out, first taking the appearance of an old Bonnie animatronic before entering a Toy Animatronic, becoming the Mimic.
I believe afton is “coaching” Mimic to be his fresh physical form, to carry on his legacy
You did a great job on this video, but I have one minor criticism; the saxophone music is distracting. I found myself struggling to focus on your voice over the volume of the music. Otherwise, this is a well edited and enjoyable video!
Apologies!! Gotta fire my saxophone soloist I guess /j
Thank you so much for getting through it and enjoying tho!
It's really interesting now that ruin is out we have Gregory who resembles the crying child, and Cassie whose name sounds like Cassidy, two characters linked to golden freddy
I think Afton himself is being tormented for all eternity, but it’s very possible that’s his body the Mimic has been fused with, especially since at some point Vanny was down there. She might’ve been the one to combine the endoskeleton with William’s body. Like people have mentioned, Agony could explain the black eyes. If it’s possessed at all, it’s probably by something less sentient like Agony, rather than by Afton himself. It’s cool to see him “come back” in a way that isn’t super literal. Like people are saying, there’s a running theme of new things resembling old things while still being different. I think that’s neat.
I really enjoy your videos. I love how some are very organic ; and some are beautiful like this, Thank you so much.
Love your new pfp! 💚
Hey @ozone While I was Reading Room for One More in Frights Graphic Novel Vol 2, I Found an Odd Easter Egg of Project Blackwing which is Biowaste.
Peak editing 😫
I'll give my input here
I think its the first possibility, but rather than being possessed by Afton, the agony left clinging to the suit is motivating the Mimic. It becomes Burntrap by using the suit, thereby causing it to suddenly mimic the pain that was left behind after the fire by giving said pain to innocent patrons by killing them and using their flesh to copy the remains of Afton. It could be a stretch for all I know, but that's what I've got to say.
Super awesome video. I really enjoyed it!
Ive just thought. The amalgamation of agony that becomes of afton is mostly the blob. As the blob is made of mostly agony and includes the puppet. It would make sense for him to possess it.
Well all these spirits from the puppet to Cassidy remained linked to their shells to seek vengeance on Afton, and between the black and white wires and post it room marks Charlie, it’s safe to assume the puppet is still around, and it would have no reason to be if Afton wasn’t still in the mix somehow.
we only see the puplet's mask in the epilogues so maybe after the pizzaplex possibly burns down it gets retrieved and decades later stitchwraith enters the burned pizzaplex and i hope that is the case just to start absolute chaos
Oh... oh no lol
@@OzoneYTWasn’t The Man in Room 1280 ages after FFPS? I believe they say the FFPS location’s ancient.
Even though I don't read the books but can say that when knowing more and more about the mimic itself being fueled by agony which its creator had filled with after the loss of their son, it would simply put that indeed it follows its Programming.
For what else I can say is that yep, when it simply takes apart the bots then the people around its area, it probably would absorb some remnant and agony to fuel its own as well. Probably why when it had been wearing a person's skin as its suit, the rotting flesh slowly fuses with its endo to become a part of it from their agony. Causing it to become more corrupted to the point that its program spreads into one of the data chips till it was scanned for help wanted.
What I could guess is when after the mimic1 program had the Intel of the child would also have tiger rock as its default persona look. But guessing once it got to read more about Afton, it slowly takes shape of glitchtrap.
During the time when Vanessa in her Vanny Persona, probably was tasked to find the Mimic1 Endo to try ti restore it till she found William's body and placed the parts along with Glamrock Bonnie's parts. That until the it now needs remnant to power it up which lead to the missing children before security breach happened. Once it was enough, it used the Charging Station with the Remnant and possibly agony as well to power up Burntrap which is the Mimic1 but now that it fused with William's agony, its eyes turned purple in that unstabled body to gain power.
Another thing to add to burntrap. During the last section of the game, some of burntraps laughter alternates between sounding something like a monster and sounding similar to a teenage girl (either that or it's a design choice for something else
Just high pitched, not a girls voice.
Ozone, has Tiger Rock altered your pfp? It appears your eyes on there have become the same as the Tiger Rock suit.
let's hope he didn't put on a strange bunny mask recently
@@ikaiju-eu9wn Hopefully not.
Don't question it :)
@@OzoneYT I'll be removing any costumes I find in my home, in that case. Lol.
A very interesting take to solidify the timeline a bit more. Something that seems off about FNAF 2 is the odd state of the withered animatronics that are in the parts and service room. On night 2 of fnaf 2 phone guy calls them out saying that they are used for spare parts. Spare parts for what though? At this point the pre-withered animatronics are the only ones in commission at this point! It can’t be the toy animatronics, because 1. Why would Bonnie’s face be a spare part needed, 2. Phone guy a line or two later in the same call seperates the toys from the withereds saying that the toys were taken in a new direction entirely. Well who at this point would be interested in the parts from the pre withered animatronics at this point? William Afton. Disguised as a security guard/technician at the FNAF 2 location. Slowly but surely decommissioning the old robots. But then the second missing children’s incident happens. And William isn’t allowed back due to no other former employees being allowed back as heard by night 6’s phone call. Again more minor theory but just good none to less to solidify the timeline a bit more!
i hope ruins dlc tells us everything
because there is a new rabbit villain and maybe that might be the mimic
For me, I believe that the Mimic is in fact the physical body of Afton that appears at the end of Security Breach. I believe the therapist's conversation with Gregory on the tapes indicates that either Gregory or Vanessa used Mimic's programming to replicate Afton, as said by one of Gregory's therapists:
CD 16-4679 from Security Breach:
" The techs have been struggling to fix some serious glitches with the robots. I'm not sure what exactly is wrong, except that it's making the robots more eerie than entertaining. You like that, eerie instead of entertaining? Thanks, but it's really not that funny. Apparently, the glitch extended beyond the robots. It went system wide. It began infecting all the machines and, when the text traced the glitch back to its origin, it led them to you. And I'm not going to pretend to understand everything I'm reading here, but what I get is that the system wide glitch was like a cascade that was broadcasting a very dangerous message.While the techs were trying to reprogram the system to remove the glitch, the source of the glitch shifted. You'll have to excuse me, I'm not all that familiar with computer programming, so I might get this wrong, but what I understand is that the glitch stopped being a glitch and turned into an intentional set of subroutines that were aimed at creating the same thing the glitch created. Those subroutines seem to have come from you. Can you explain that?"
This message on one of the CDs shows that the glitch was somehow transformed into an intentional set of subroutines that were aimed at creating the same thing the glitch created. For me, I believe the "Glitch" that refers back to Afton's Remmnat or paranormal activity, which was compiled as programming, perhaps by the Mimic?
Another thing that supports the theory that Burntrap is both Afton and Mimic is that Gregory was talking to someone via encrypted codes, perhaps Afton?
CD 15-4678 from Security Breach:
"Apparently, the techs were reviewing communications going in and out of this building and they came across some interesting things. They say you were in communication with someone, or maybe something. pretty strange. What do you think about that? Nothing? Well the techs say it looked to them like it was an attempt to manipulate you, or maybe to lure you somewhere.
There, that's better. On this side of the desk I can see your eyes. The thing is, when I read the communications I get something different out of them. I don't think you're being manipulated here. I think you're the one doing the manipulating. No comment? Huh? Okay... then how about this? I have this still shot the techs pulled from the security footage that recorded you in the pizzaplex. That's you, isn't it? I know this image is distorted but I think it looks like you. And you're not alone here. You're talking to someone, or something. it's hard to tell. What are those things? They almost look like rabbit ears. What? You find that amusing? Well I guess it is."
Well this conversation between the therapist and Gregory can be a bit confusing as it can be understood both as Gregory talking to someone with things like bunny ears, this can be interpreted as Gregory maybe talking to Vanessa/Vanny, but it can also be understood as like Gregory speaking directly to Afton.
For the Glitchtrap virus, I actually believe it to be Afton, as an error in the circuit boards scanned by Fazbear Funtime Special Delivery Service appears to have been from just one of the animatronics found, I believe this animatronic is indeed SpringBonnie's old costume /Afton.
These same circuit boards were used for the Fazbear Virtual Reality Experience/Fnaf Help Wanted, which would explain Glitchtrap's manifestation in Help Wanted.
The error not only manifested itself in Help Wanted, but it also manifested itself in the Fazbear special delivery program.
Fnaf AR mails:
Steven Wilson: Hey guys, I just got kicked off the system. I finished scanning the last set of circuit boards Dan brought me, but now I'm locked out. Is anyone else getting this 'unknown error'?
Anna Kwento: No.
After a while, Raha Salib replied to Steven, asking about the details.
Raha Salib: Steve, which circuit board did you scan?
Steven Wilson: Whatever Dan brought me
Then, Daniel Rocha, who is the one that gave Steve the circuit board, sent an email to the crew, saying that virus is detected.
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Turns out that wasn't just a glitch, we released a virus when we scanned -->that last circuit board
The Marionette mask in Blob might just be from a different Marionette. We already know from FNAF 3 that there were more then one. So that means the original might be in the lake still. I feel like Afton's death in the Stitchline is meant to be the end of the actual character. His story of death begun with him killing Charlie, and it ends with Charlie killing him.
Thats why I love the ending of Afton in Frights. It felt more personal. Charlotte destroys the man who took her life away and also frees the spirits of the children who she carried in her arms.
@@cristendo5983Exactly. And Henry still got payback due to causing the means that got Afton trapped in UCN, seemingly making Afton loose himself, becoming all the killer and none of the human, explaining why he is extra thirsty for blood and views himself as pure Agony. Because of Henry's fire, the brilliant man that Afton once was was reduced to just a creature obsessed with violence, and a puppet of Eleanor/Nightmare.
I would really like it if tales and frights get confirmed wether they're canon or not
i really disagree with the idea that tales from the pizzaplex is cannon, however i do think the mimic is in some way important to security breach. the main reason i don't think that tales are cannon is because the timeline of the mimic and who it chooses to mimic, as if the tales books are cannon the timeline would have to be -The mimic first mimics david -The mimic is put into the help wanted game and chooses to mimic afton -The mimic decides to become its own thing based off of davids white tiger plush -By the time security breach happens it goes back to mimicking afton without even leaving a trace of tiger rock behind. even though the mimic can mimic multiple people it seems to have a primary person it is mimicking, and in tales it seems to be david, but for the games its definitely mimicking afton. it would be weird if it was constantly swapping between david and william, but in the games we only saw william and in the books we only ever saw david. i find it more likely that the games have their own version of the mimic, though i do understand why someone would disagree. i just hope ruin puts a end to this stupid debate because debating cannon is much less fun then normal theorizing
I think only a select few stories in TFTPP are canon, mainly the epilogues, Nexie, Tiger Rock, The Mimic and any stories mentioned in those stories
I *really* don’t want FF to be canon because that would mean faz-goo, Eleanor (who’s basically a demon), agony, body-swapping robots and stuff like that would be canon. Although I wouldn’t mind the games going down the “Afton’s Amalgamation” route for Afton’s final defeat/death
I think William is still around. If he were dead, it’d be explicitly confirmed. He’s the main antagonist of the franchise. Him dying HAS to be included in the mainline series and wouldn’t just be relocated to parallels in FF
Maybe Mimic will discard Kelly’s body and wear William’s instead or perhaps use body parts from both Kelly and William, or maybe use parts of Scraptrap that Afton’s soul is still attached to. Either way, he’s not gone yet. I feel like if the Mimic is in Ruin and gets defeated to the point of becoming weak, Afton will be at his strongest and override the Mimic’s system, deleting it, posing its body and forming the Afton Amalgamation before facing his final death
i didnt know the mimic hid in someones body 🥲 hearing this after the ruin dlc makes me think the secret ending where the mimic says “cassie i found a place to hide” is gonna wear her or something which is so horrifying
I really dislike the Mimic and that it seems to be the direction things are going. FNAF has never needed a big bad evil guy or a single super villain. It doesn't need Afton, it doesn't need fake-Afton (mimic), it doesn't need Vanny or Eleanor or any one person pulling the strings. Sure they're fine here and there, but not as a big bad behind it all kind of thing. I think part of Fazbear Frights really did it right, before Eleanor and Afton showed up and shoehorned their way in, through the agony-infected Fazbear memorabilia. The lingering suffering from past horrors continuing to haunt and harm is what the first game was about... and it worked really well. Throwing in evil AIs and removing the actual human element feels like a dramatic shift from everything that's established, and making it all the grand scheme of one person, real or artificial, feels tacky. It felt tacky back in Sister Location with William's evil lab hurr hurr, it felt tacky with Eleanor in Frights. It's also just scarier, to me, to deal with a mindless, widespread force than with a single entity such as Afton, Eleanor, or the Mimic. Great video, though! Thank you for sharing your thoughts and findings!
I have some other things in your theory since glitchtrap has purple eyes instead of green and bule eyes it doesnt matter springbonnie is actualy been seen with green and blue eyes with green in the springbonnie model and adventure version and blue in into the pit
Can't wait for audiobooks.
Amazing video, it definitely contains lots of good points. I’m 50/50 on stitchline, while it would make ideal sense for it to not be canon, I wouldn’t mind it if it was, Afton wasn’t the character I had a problem with when it comes to stitchline, the character I have a problem with is Andrew/TOYSNHK
What i think is that from the begining it was supposed to be afton back as he said in his line but when no one liked that afton is back they wanted to fixe that so they made the mimic and here we are
From another point about Lefty for the upcomong theory vid, I saw from another user saying Lefty should be the face of the blob or so but can say something.
Probably when after the fire had destroyed most of Freddy Fazbear's Pizza Place before it sank in a sinkhole, Lefty with the corpse of the Puppet, it probably had some agony throughout its years seeing the animatronics in the past come and go.
Probably after Charlie's soul had left the puppet as the tears had disappeared along with Baby as her original head design was there but no red eyes on both. Probably shown that the other animatronic pieces had their eyes red cause the agony is being amplified by the puppet's and Baby's agony from Lefty's Capture Mechanism.
Since Lefty was controlled by the puppet except she wasn't in full control, the capture sequence continued as Lefty's endo continued to capture more pieces around to feed off its agony.
Did noticed that the Blob had a single groaning voiceline as if its sort of conscious with what sanity it has from the agony.
So probably why Lefty's agony from the puppet had formed the blob to amplify till it was nothing but slimey wire with some parts stuck onto it.
William parished in pizzaria simulator fire along with Elizabeth and Charlie while blob is amalgamation of the agony leftover and why its eyes are red as well and mimics mimicking William afton or William agony latched onto the mimic and is making a copy of him
I think the FF books might be canon. Something like a puppet can be caught by the current and washed to the beach. Then,Faz Ent could have took it for their "museum" where it became a part of the blob.
I kind of like the idea of glitchtrap being a separate identity that was expired by the the work that William Afton was doing
I think that the mimic is just wearing Afton corpse trying to be like him
See I always considered the books a separate continuity. Yeah they can get close to the game cannon but never actually a part of it. That is what Scott said when the books first came out. And remember it’s not like we had the stichraith running around in the game so I don’t think we have the mimic either
To me, Tales from The Pizzaplex is like that one Gravity Falls book that I can't remember the name of. It's non-canon, but it contains specific elements that are canon.
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The mimic slots great with either Afton or circus baby for their own reasons. For example, afton is also a program running the pizza plex, but circus baby has been associated with getting beaten by her creator. Plus baby “playing pretend” and the ennard reference only feeds more into this answer. So I think the mimic could be referring to afton, circus baby, or both. Both being the worst case scenario and people getting more angry. At least it’s not faz-goo as the ultimate villain lol. Or maybe???
Edit: also Eleanor holding afton back in the fazbear frights series makes me think fazbear frights still has some answers even though there’s a new book series.
I can understand why people don't like the Mimic, but I personally love it. I am sticking onto a sliver of hope that Afton is still around to some capacity, as he was the only one who didn't get a satisfying end in FFPS, but come on! A mimicking robot turned copycat killer is litterly the most FNAF thing in FNAF.
The mimic ruins fnaf lore
@@dylanhudec979 Well, that's your opinion.
This wouldve helped matpat when he made the connections to showbiz and chuck e cheese
Hmmm i think that afton is still around somewhere i mean he is the main antagonist of fnaf i dont belive that have gone forever and nothing from him, i dont say that mimic theory is not true i dont know it, but i think we have afton too, in my opinion it would be cool, and i think it would be cool if mimic would be burntrap and glitchtrap and then BOOM afton appears in most unexpected moment in totally new form, but afton controling mimic is cool, mimic merged with afton is not bad but yea.
Im fairly sure the mimic is simply possessed by williams agony that remained on his corpse when he died, not afton himself. We have seen that afton is actually dead a few times now, and the agony explains the eye change from white to black from the mimic in the books to burntrap. I don’t actually think the tales books are exactly in the same continuity as the games though. The organic parts of burntrap being kelly is just insanely unsatisfying to me. I think a much more likely scenario is that vanessa took the mimic to williams corpse and when the mimic tried to put scraptrap on, a similar case as to what happened with kelly happened with aftons corpse.
That's fair enough. I think you're right - there has to be some sort of influence for the Mimic to even think to copy William, especially if he is truly gone now. The Mimic1 program merged with Afton's agony does make sense story-wise. I think you're thinking too hard about the whole Kelly situation though. It is a valid point, but there's no way to identify who's flesh it is on Burntrap's body, we've all gaslit ourselves into thinking it's Afton's. Personally, I think it's even creepier if it's actually the rotting corpse of one of its victims, but I understand why people may be reluctant to believe that at this stage.
@OzoneYT do you think the Agony could be linked to the frights story The Man in Room 1280? Where a parallel to the games version of UCN occurs and ends with Afton's body spreading a black goo throughout different Fazbear stuff? Perhaps this happened to the Mimic's old head and that was scanned into Help Wanted? It'd explain why the epilogue Mimic is simply following instructions and how it's programming would even get out of the fnaf 6 location and into circuit boards for vr if the place was blocked off with cement.
This theory makes sense to me (except I don't really think it's Afton's corpse entirely) it lines up with all the build up to agony in the books and Mimic's core function to mimic people and possibly their emotions. What if the Mimic is just mimicking the agony of Freddy's which all happens to revolve around Willam Afton.
MatPat: why am I still here? Just to suffer?
Interesting! Nice video!
What if the blob is the afton amalgamation
Also Theories say that UCN is Michael's Hell
Well so far I really feel like The Mimic is just trying to copy Afton with no need of possesion. But the thing that bothers me is what exactly did The Mimic witness. Did it witness the MCI(maybe in the Foxy costume in Go!Go!Go!) or was it the DCI as it would make sense for Edwin to make the toy animatronics instead of the OG ones that were most likely made by Henry. I belive that Mimic is one of the most interesting plot point in the franchise so far as it can be tied back to the previous games but the only problem that there is, is the fact that it HAS to use Springbonnie/Springtrap as a mascot(at least for the moment when we recognize the yellow rabbit as the villain) of the franchise no matter if it's still connected to Afton or not
Is Cleithrophobia Ballora also mimic infected or just a rough mechanic? Cuz she was pulling limbs very hard🤔
I never even thought of that lol - might be a stretch (no pun intended) but you could be right!
I think fnaf could really benefit from some official analogue horror style content.
My one issue I have with glitchtrap being mimic1 is that in help wanted, glitchtrap was trying to escape into the real world. Like it knew it was just in a game. Where would mimic1 have learned that? If all he does is mimic what he sees. Does that mean that Afton was there and already escaped?
I prefer to believe that Afton is still rotting in ultimate custom night. It gives the first six games closure (and most importantly it doesn't waste Henry's banger of a speech) but before Afton ever even became Springtrap he made an A.I version of himself as glitchtrap which would mimic his actions and personality which then fazbear entertainment used in help wanted when they scanned in a bunch of the old circuit boards. The body of burntrap is just that Williams corpse and suit with a few glamrock endo upgrades (and to those saying that his body was decayed in fnaf 6 into a skeleton, the body has ears meaning is more mummified rather then decayed). Throwing in the mimic as an actual character in the games just feels unnecessary and honestly quite unfulfilling. My preference is that glamrock freddy is the only "old" character, being Micheal, the rest of the characters are only recreating or reflecting the previous kids/deaths.
If you have not seen the movie, Murder by Death you should. The movie does a great job of demonstrating exactly what the problems are with The Mimic Theory and anger that much of the fanbase has shown with the theory.
At Security Breaches launch it was generally understood by FNaF fan base as a whole that the FNaF books had about the same relevance to FNaF cannon as the Star Wars novels and comics did for Star Wars before Lucas produced the Prequel triology.
With MatPat and others even saying day 1 of Help Wanted and SB "Its so hard to tell here whats an easter egg, whats lore relevant and what is just random asset objs thrown in to aesthetics. Suddenly now any possible hints in game reletating books is viewed as 100% confirmed developer lore drop now how does this obvious definatly real lore clue fit into our puzzle? And MatPat used to be so careful clearly label the maybe puzzle peices and ace them in the possible foreshadowing box like hes supposed..
Just like with FNaF, a few minor tweeks attempting to retcon a few minor things and such set the Star Wars theorist world on fire; Lucas never even attempted to be the kind of insane high IQ frame by frame lore wizard that John Carpenter was when he directed The Thing, but SW frame by frame micro examiners eventually had enough circumalstantial evidence that they crafted the beautiful thing that us the Darth Jar Jar Conspiracy.
When attempting to debunk the Darth Jar Jar theory solely using logic and the working with the evidence they presented, the theory is impossible to debunk and after Lucas sold SW I've taken on Darth Jars as head canon. But DJs clues all come from canonical material, while the Mimic Theory exists solely due to theorists attempting to link as much of the books with the game as possible; In direct opposition to what Scott had asked of the community prior to licensed release of any of the books. 😮 hust how little Scott was involved with the books at all.
The entire book series has been written and released while Scotts been extremely busy handling all the new llicensing merchandising consulting writing and development.
In what space of time was he supposed to have invented and implemented the massive web of carefully placed breadcrumbs through everything to obtusely tell the tale of FNaF as it seems MatPat has suggested. And why would he suddenly jettison his own rules and careful clue placement methods he used in games 1-4 and suddenly switch up to having overt and obvious 1:1 Parallels between the book and game worlds?
the FNaF theorists are over fishing Red Herring like corporate fishing fleets, and Mimic Theory is in the end just as much of a transparent fan fiction theory as the 'Sans is Nes' Undertale Theory.
Your video misses option 4 GlitchTrap was Afton or coded by Afton bot reaching out from Beyond the grave to engineer his ressurection.
The story as SteelWool has clearly been showing instead of telling. Scott and Blumhouse spent years rewritting the movie script with a focus from both centering on catharis with the Killer, Sure Afton kills kids but what can we show that strikes the smallest amount of sympathy from rhe viewers and says Afton is not some generic npc the heroes must fight.
So what in Scott or SteelWools history suggests that they might abandon storytelling and world building standards and prectices to suddenly hop on the M Night Shammy random Twist ending with a touch of 80's Mystery serials trope of revealing the killer to be someone not even listed as a suspect until the reveal.
If The Mimic Theory is true then SteelWool and Scotts storytelling and development is garbage. If The Mimic Theory us true than that would downgrade FNaF from a horror franchise to the most drawnout and convulted scavenger hunt ever devised, with every bew vlue behind a new paywall practically. FNaF was not devolped by Ubisoft or Sony so The Mimic Theory probably can't be true and definitely should not be true; Even The Rule of Cool says The Mimic Theory can't be true....
FuhNaff is definitely on to something in his Night Marion links theory crafting, with many. clear in-game clues but for some weird reason Mimic is being pushed hard over Night Marion. I would take the plot hole questions that come up when trying to recocile the two theories as correct to be a big indicator that maybe if elements from the book being shoved into the game lore theories aren't fitting its because they dont belong.
GGY being a playful developer nod to the books is 10000% more likely than the Gregory is bot boy super hacker GGY from the books with a super advanced illusion disk that tricking all the humans and bots and the the irl player into seeing a real boy instead of trashcan stan bot. The unused Freddy voice file where Freddy says Gregorys is bleeding was also just another illusion disk victim..
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The puppet mask in the blobs body’s unlike the rest. ( not including baby)
A lot of people have been saying the books are no longer parallels but I think a lot of people are overlooking one thing.
Tigerrock and Glamrock Bonnie seem to be one in the same in the way they’re described, mimic seems to have a interest in rabbits instead of tigers in the game, and glamrock bonnie is the ONLY character that ISNT in the game that is mentioned and given importance and even in the RUIN trailer we’re teased with ANOTHER rabbit character, still no tiger