Snoke is Mace Windu - Star Wars Theory
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TABLE OF CONTENTS
0:00 Intro
0:16 Samuel L. Jackson Conspiracy
2:05 Mace Windu is Still Alive
4:00 Disfigurement
5:49 The Dark Side and the Light
7:51 Mace Windu's Revenge
10:05 Signature Move
11:11 Finn Awakens
12:57 Finn Windu
16:30 Outro
SOURCES
1. This guy made a "Snoke is Mace Windu" video 4 months ago! Check it out.
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2. Mace Windu Thought HE Was The Chosen One
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INTERVIEWS
0:44 Smauel L. Jackson#IMDBAskSamJackson
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1:01 Entertainment Weekly - Samuel L. Jackson
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1:50 Star Wars The Force Awakens Press Conference - Flick And The City
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PHOTOS
0:25 Still from Futurama: Into the Wild Green Yonder
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0:32 Samuel L. Jackson By: Danny Moloshok
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0:34 Frazer Harrison
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0:36 George Lucas By: Matt Sayles
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1:39 John Boyega By: Jordan Strauss
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ART
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5:57 - Mace Windu By: Chris Trevas
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6:15 - I can't find the original artist of the background. Message me and I'll add the source here!
Mace Windu From the Star Wars Legacy Collection Geonosis Arena Showdown action figure artwork.
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7:41 Ben Solo a.k.a Kylo Ren By: daniel-morpheus
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9:22 - See 6:15
11:19 The Force Awakens Poster
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13:06 See 7:02
13:20 John Boyega Study By: Eristhe
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13:41 FN-2187 By: Kevin Graham
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MUSIC
1. Soundtrack from Star Wars Knights of the Old Republic II
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2. Endslate song: Disturbance by ME (Hexus is my Artist name).
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This was an in depth explanation of the theory that Supreme Leader Snoke is an old, broken, and vengeful Mace Windu.
If I missed anything please message me and I'll add it! :) - Zábava
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If Snoke gets a chance to fight in this trilogy, and has a purple light sabre, I'm gonna lose my shit.
Potato Blight Is he actually huge ?
Jvex nah.. Snoke ain't actually that big.. In the force awakens it's just a hologram..
no thats just the hologram
seriously, are you people IDIOT?
fucking casual fans, know nothing about the lore and dont search information, you are cancer...
SNOKE IS CONFIRMED TO BE 7 FT TALL BY THE DIRECTOR AND PUPPETEERS OF EPISODE VIII. Stop this fucking bullshit theory, you are a cancer!!!
SuperZeroMaker Oh! Sorry for not devoting my life to Star Wars "lore" and not "researching everything that has to do with the Star Wars characters. Jesus fucking Christ you're sad. Calling people by a disease, is just pathetic, especially for the reason you gave! Calm yourself down for fuck sakes.
Genuinely would've been a better plot twist than the actual film
I agree, snoke is just a clone from palpatine
Goes against mace’s character but I’d rather it ruin him than invalidate the entirety of the previous 6 films
yhea
Yeah
@@splendidwolf442 it could make sense considering how strong Windu was with the dark side
Even though Mace unexpectedly turned out not to be snoke, I have hope that Mace Windu and Darth Jar Jar are still out there somewhere plotting their takeover of the galaxy.
Ikr that would be awesome
Jar jars dead
@@bingus1895 Darth Jar Jar’s connection to the dark side of the force is so unimaginably strong, he transcends the very concept of life and death
@@OrbitalLizardStudios death is scared to kill him
@@bingus1895 what was that peasant I am very much still alive
This theory was written better than the trilogy movie
Lol
The Sequel trilogy*
Ikr
Agreed, huge missed opportunity, one of my favourite characters
@@teenagestacker6063 after I saw the force awakens I though for sure that smoke was mace windu and was really disappointed when it was revealed he wasnt
Also, in the Rise of Skywalker, Palpatine says that he MADE SNOKE. Palpatine hit Windu with the force lighting therefore creating snoke. Just saying
Wow your right
This actually makes sense
Snoke is a strand cast
bro, snoke is a clone and always has been
@@c4_s3y94 Palpatine "killed" Mace and then told anakin and the clones to do order 66, then he dropped down, got Mace windu, cloned him and sent him away.
Rewatching this makes me realize how much potential the sequels had after TFA, only for TLJ to come in
Subverting expectations
The TLJ is indeed bad but there is still some hope left for the trilogy to redempt that's it until the rise of Skywalker everything is ruined and cannot be returned
Y'know what?Tfa is good.Its just the tlj and rots(9th one not 3rd) that are bad
@@alptugraakan7490 well if Lucas hadn't scrubbed Binks due to fan backlash, the series would have been vastly superior to what we got, in m humble estimation
Word
It would’ve been amazing if Rey turned to the Darkside and it was Finn who trained in the Jedi arts to defeat her
the sequels genuinely wouldve been much better 100 percent if that happened
@@pinecosin Also Ren becomes somewhat a "grey jedi"
Who is ren
@@realitycheck908 kylo ren?
the rise of skywalker should have had rey turn to the sith and have ben solo return and rise as the skwalker he is
Here's another thing, Smoke has a huge scar on his head, and Wind has a smaller, but wider version of that scar. They look nearly identical.
yea i expexted him to mention it considering he included both being bald
@@pinecosin 😂
Yeah are you sure its not a vein?
And ALL OF THIS would make infinitely better stories than what we actually got.
Seems like most fans would have made a better trilogy than the Sequels. But they started off badly. TFA was also garbage, they outright canned the New Jedi Order and messed up
“And it is worth mentioning that they are both bald as well”
- Vincent Vendetta
"You may not have noticed the purple lightsaber"
In the last jedi, I noticed that when Kylo Ren killed Snoke with Anakin-s Lightsaber and with the force, Snoke's right hand get cutted off by Anakin 's lightsaber like Mace Windu's right hand.
Hold up though who's right hand DOESN'T get cut off at one point ?
@@zerox020 mine
@@zerox020 rey. But does she really count as a Jedi though? I mean all she did was cut a rock in half and then saw an infinite mirror of herself so yea
@@allthingsfilm5171 legit had no training. She just showed herself to be Force Sensitive and received little to no training by Luke.
@@rebelgaming1.5.14 fr
Mace has always been one of my favorite characters I really wish they would get him back some how.
Really happy to see him in the tales of the jedi trailer always want to see more mace windu content.
I always thought that when Palpatine got hit by Sith lightning it just broke his disguise. I’m pretty sure Palpatine normally looks like that but he used the dark side force to hide his appearance
No mace made him look ugly the only thing palpatine did was hide the sith eyes
Tentative yes, in the sense that it allowed the Dark Side to fully flow through him and corrupt him - physically as well as mentally, as the Dark Side is in lore known and said to be highly corruptive. But also, NO. We don't, until that point, see Palpatine using Dark Side powers. Mind Trick is more a universal trait, used by Jedi, and it doesn't warp their physical being. So psychological influence is not a thing that transforms the user. Otherwise, most of the Jedi would look AWFUL. Similarly, hiding one's presence in the Force is used by Jedi, and it does nothing to them, so Palpatine wouldn't be affected either. In this case, when the Force Lightning, a PURE Dark Side power, is reflected back, it's a major point. Some powers stem from a pure desire to do harm. Force Lightning is one of these. Light Side users don't do it, period. They have Force Push instead - which does NOT affect the user's appearance, because it's not inherently damaging. Sure, it distances threats and shoves people AWAY, but it doesn't necessarily bodily harm them. It's just a _push_.
@@MythLee well, Mace didn't disfigure Palpatine. Mace reflected back the powers that PALPATINE was using. I.e. Force Lightning. So Palpatine made Palpatine look ugly, but apart from that, I'd say you are right.
Stop calling t "Sith" Lightning. It is a force ability
@@mister_silent6 It’s a force ability called Sith Lightning. That’s what it’s referred to as in the book of the Sith
dude watching the part on finn just reawakens all the anger i felt when his character was ruined
he was really the most interesting character, and had such a huge role. its was setup so perfectly for finn to be our hero, or atleast a duo of heroes.
imagine if rey and finn had equal roles, instead of finn being sent to the background.
they literally gave finn half of the first movie dedicated to him awakening and seemingly starting his journey as the hero then all that was thrown away
we couldve had such an amazing duo dynamic of finn and rey working together as we saw them doing in the final fight of part 7 where they pretty much passed the lightsaber between eachother. but all that was thrown away
so true, i feel a first order trooper turn to resistance member was such a wasted opportunity. Its such a cool way of showing how every clone has their own personality.
Honestly this theory would be really cool. I feel that Fin should have been the main character of the movies, not Rey.
Finn*
Ok
@@beenystorytime886 Nobody cares
Man this theory should've became real like the jar jar binks theory
This theory is amazing and could have been totally true if they hadn't changed the Director / Filmmaker between episodes 7 and 8 (then again on the 8 and 9). And mostly if Star Wars and Lucas hadn't been purchased by Disney. It screwed up everything. Mace Windu and Finn theories would have been so much more interesting than the actual movies that ended up to be so poor. JJ Abrams, Director of episode 7 (and mostly Georges Lucas) didn't want to let Snoke die like this, but were not in command anymore in episode 8. Then it was too late and the scenario of episode 9 with Palpatine creating Snoke was just a pretext to try to find a "logical" link.
Poor Star Wars, poor George Lucas. I wish Disney never came in to destroy everything.
I'm usually not a big fan of all the crazy theories, but here I must admit it was really excellent and consistent.
That would explain why force awakens was better than the last two episodes 😂
That would explain why force awakens was better than the last two episodes 😂
I have one thing to say about this theory. Snoke was created by Sidious
Perhaps he used Snoke's dead body after he killed him ;)
@@VincentVendettaOfficial I must say this: It could have happened
He was cloned tho so the beginning body may have been mace 's
This video was made before the last Jedi released so at the time the stupid twist that Snoke was a clone of Palpatine
@@pigf-ip3jy Your might be right
There is also some evidence of this when Pilpatine from in the ninth movie said that “he made Snoke” he could be referring to when he blasted him with lightning and had a key role in turning him😮
I legit remember seeing this get suggested to me in 8th grade. Man time sure flies 😂
This guy gives really good detail. Your content is great!
Even known the skywalker saga is finished, technically snoke could’ve been cloned with mace windu’s blood
I really looked forward to seeing some sort of character development from Finn. Instead, we got Ryan Johnson. I would still like to see a Mace Windu story.
READ THEORY: Remember when palpating said he created snoke, and we think snoke is mace windu . Well maybe palpatine helped mace windu just like anikan at the end of the 3rd film in timeline order. Palpating also cloned snoke(you can see a tub full of snokes at the end of ep.9) because remember how palpatine cloned himself to save him from dying(thats how he is alive)so he also cloned Mace Windu to save him from dying.
When Mace was throw out the window, the "grunt" actually sounded to me like he was forcing (no pun intended) out Anakin's name, like it was a last ditch effort pleaing to Anakin to help him.
I could be wrong, but that's just how my ears/brain interpreted it.
This theory would have been a WAY better plot twist than the one we ended up with!
You know what? Honestly from the perspective of the audience as people who’ve all seen the empire rise and fall, it does kinda make sense that anyone who also witnessed it would kinda catch on that one can balance the force. I think it’s reasonable that snoke exists with all this power and knowledge but not that he’s the emperor’s thrall. I think the emperor should be dead
What?
Two characters are bald
Theorists: "there must be a connection here"
“There is no way our stories are so simple” oh boy😢
Imagine putting so much time and thought into this complex theory then sitting in the theater, watching it all fall apart as snoke is killed with ease early in the next film.
Best theory I have seen in a while! At the start i said no way, but now i am a believer!
The intro is fire bro 👍👍👍👍👍
this is an excellent video
6:10 no, I did not notice Mace Windu's lightsaber was purple. Thanks for letting me know!
Yeah dude i thought he was using a blue saber like the other jedis dang better luck next time ig
@@TheDogBasti yeah
Mace Windu: Has N word pass
Snoke: N word pass revoked
This is a fun watch ! I'm fracking convinced.
amazing work
editing scars on mace windows (samuel L. Jackson) face nice touch
this is so good, especially about fin
What’s funny about the purple light saber is you keep saying it’s a symbol, when I just think of the behind the scenes of the prequels where Samuel L Jackson tells George Lucas “hey I think I should be unique, can mine be purple” and George goes “yeah, you can be purple”
From one Vincent to another, great theory!
"Snoke is not Mace Windu!"
5:41 only just realised that the scar on Snoke's forehead can be seen on Mace Windu's as well
Edit: 8:50 'if the theory is true that Rey is Emperor Palpatine's granddaughter' this guy is a prophet
the scar on Mace Windu is edited on lol Look at the earlier pic of him at 4:08
@@ragtagsnipse914 sadness
Man these theories were great... :D
Before the dark times.
I read somewhere that Palpatine or someone else used a Death Star prototype to open a time portal with the force lightning power and high speed of the fall. The end result is that Mace Windu travelled time backwards and turned into Dart Maul.
1:50 oh you poor soul. Oh God you poor poor soul.
EDIT: LOOK AT KK LMAOOOOOO
she's like "someone's getting fired later"
Im so happy i found this vid, this was my (hesitant) theory back when i first saw snoke, i didnt know that anyone else that thought this so i feel validated. unfortunately im 5 years too late
Everything makes sense, except how did he become as big a snoke?
That is exactly what I was thinking
@@charwarhoe6763 Me to
After the fall, his balls grew 5x in size.
its a hologram lol
I'm pretty sure steroids work regardless of age...
I had always thought the table of ash he put his helmet on was collected from the funeral pyre Luke made for his father. It would explain why he had Vader's helmet as well. Resting his helmet on the ashes of his grandfather would have put him more in touch with his spirit, and by his own reckoning, make it easier to "speak" with him while he meditated.
This did not aged well
Shhhhh
I think that palpatine killed mace windu but much later after the fall.Palpatine could have found a way to create artificial midi chlorians because he was the ruler of a large portion of the galaxy and because mace windu was basically the only jedi who had beaten him that he could get his hands on he cloned Mace Windu and used the artificial midi chlorians to make the clone force sensitive then palpatine could kill mace windu and have a clone of him without morals that he could much more easily manipulate. But this is just a theory so if you dont like it just ignore it
It would be awesome if they did bring Mace back in a comic or even a short tv show. I did love Mace a lot, especially in the clone wars. The drawn clone wars. And true Mace actually was turning towards the dark side when fighting palpy, Would of been cool if they did something with this honestly. But not as Snoke but like an old Ben kind of sith. Like how Ben was that would be cool.
did u just call the emperor palpy..?
@@TheEliasKid Yes I did, what's wrong?
😐😐😐
@@TheEliasKid 😐😐😐
3:58
He's talking about how Anakin survived the long drop onto a speeder, and than said "So of course, Mace Windu, a jed imaster would be able to survive."
Once again insulting anakin on how he wasnt granted that rank.
"well, everyone knows that getting your arm cut off isnt a lethal injury"
-Vincent Vendetta 2022
4:19 Me noticing the scar on Windu and the deep scar on Snoke is the EXACT same shape and in the EXACT same place:
……………………………………………………………WHAAAAAAAAAAAAT???????
I'm pretty sure that's a blood vessel on windu
HONESTLY hope to see them in the new starwars!!
Here’s another theory, what if Finn is Snokes grandson instead of son. Because there is a theory going around that Lando Calrissian is Windu’s son and when the clone wars started Windu hid him in the cloud city to be safe from the fighting. So then Lando had a son and the son turned out to be Finn.
Mace was my favorite character. I appreciate that they showed he was the only person to best palpatine in one on one combat before he they killed him. Idk just like maul used the dark side to stay alive mace could’ve done something similar since he wasn’t scared to use the dark side
bendu was the giant force wielding creature that was neutral so putting it together mace windu being both good and bad makes sense
Friendly reminder that the proper reason Mace Windu's lightsaber is purple because Samuel L. Jackson thought it would look cool
Fortunately it thematically makes sense for his character too.
Ah, I remember this theory. I remember coming into The Last Jedi so hyped to see more of Snoke because even I was so intrigued by him but my heart sunk to my taint when Snoke was just some even more disfigured gollum in a bathrobe. And the fact that he's supposed to be a Palpatine clone or at least made from his DNA just ruins it more because it ruins literally important moment in 6 movies. Why can't the Sith just be some mysterious constant force and have that trope of both sides are destroyed to create true peace. I believe thats way better than what they gave us in the last movie.
Love how the rey palpatine theory came true
5:39 that bulging blood vein on Windu's head takes almost exactly the same shape as Snoke's scar
looking back on these theories today
disney did not cook with the actual plotline, the theories were so much cooler
This is a very good theory, better than what the movies did. They did not ask me, but I would not have returned Palpatine, but had Darth Plagueis, once known as Jar Jar Binks.
You make a compelling argument. Well done
I like the idea of Mace Windu being the chosen one and anikan just being strong in the force.
I would love too see a Mace Windu series
Jackson's like: heII yeah I want to be in the new Star Wars, youi have any idea how expensive all these hats are?
We can’t just ignore that we don’t know how far mace fell or if he was impaled ,hit something or just straight up got hit by a ongoing speeded
That was a really good theory actually
Palpatine was still alive after the Jedi attack he was behind all the cloning going on so could it have been possible that he had Mace captive. Just like he found Anakin he could have found Mace Windu injured barely alive and taken him to that dark planet and created Snoke using Mace as a base Just add in new genetics and take advantage of his darkside sensitivity and corrupted him . Palpatine says in Rise of Skywalker that he created Snoke and during that same scene you can see clones of Snoke . So could he have created Snoke with Windus mentality for revenge ? ? ? ? 🤔 love these theory's not sure if I spelled any names right I apologize
It's funny watching this video now because it was later revealed that Snoke was a failed clone attempt of palpatine in the sequels. I think that's also why Snoke sounds so much like emperor palpatine
this is awesome
2:00 why is this guys Samuel Jackson impression so good
Honestly best theory I’ve heard in a while but the voice is very different i understand the dark side can warp you but i don’t think it would change your accent
What if he was Mace Windu but Palpatine manipulated him, since we found out that Paplatine “made” him in Rise of Skywalker, maybe he meant he made him into a sith 🤔
Possibly an apprentice
I think this theory is true if you only consider The Force Awakens and possibly some bits from TLJ. However and unfortunately, TROS invalidates it.
I feel Sidious' force lightening, when reflected by Windu, was never meant to disfigure him. That his lightening was on, "stun" so to speak. His transformation, a natural side effect of his incredible power in the Dark Side. Now, he no longer needed to use his powers to hide his true self anymore.
Seems obvious Sidious was only playing a part when fighting Windu. He did this to force Anakin into acting and accepting the Dark Side. Forcing him to give in to his fears and prioritize his needs over everything else. Anakin would decide that only the Dark Side would give him the power he needed, fast enough, before it was too late.
In, "The Last Jedi" we saw that when Rey reflected it, the lightening burned and vaporized his flesh. While we could assume he was more powerful in the last movie however, we saw no evidence that his power ever grew, compared to the first movie.
Makes sense that Rey likely poured some of the Force into her defence, turned offense.
(Btw, if it was Sidious' Force Lightening that burned Windu into a scarred, old man with an inverted tan, then that lightening is RACIST! LOL 😉😜🤣)
Mace Windus light saber is just laying somewhere on Coruscant
Samuel L Jackson specifically asked George Lucas for a purple light saber, because he didn't want to get mixed in with everyone else during mass fight scenes. If you see the purple saber, you KNOW it's mace.
Yeah that one is a bit far fetched but it’s a GREAT theory
Didn't think I'd see this video again. :p
The scar on mace wundu head at the top is the same as snoks
I hope we get a dark series of an old mace surviving the lower crimeworld of coruscant during the era of the empire and eventually actually dying, explaining why he is never seen or heard of
I hope its good and they dont make Windu look like a bitch, maybe like a 1 or 2 seasoned show with him meeting with Yoda on Dagobah and preparing some plot with Kenobi on how they will train Luke to kill Vader... disney has handled most of the TV shows pretty well so there wouldnt be many issues with it
This theory is amazing.
the scar on his head with the comparison part siold me so now i believe that snoke is windu... brain is exploding
wish i had seen this earlier. im gonna choose to believe that this theory is actually canon, because it makes the movies so much better and deeper, even though it's unlikely that disney would choose to have thought of something as intricate as this.
So dark but yeah it could work. Great video
6:15 according to Samuel L Jackson, his lightsaber is purple because he asked if it could be.
“So surely mace windu, a Jedi master”
Take a seat young skywalker
Very interesting, and I think it's true given all these facts, gives me alot to think about
mace's vein is the same shape as snoke's scar
“Somehow Palpatine returned.”
Bro predicted Rey being Palpatine's granddaughter 💀
Nice theory, lots of things I agree with, but the eye color is different so uh. Lots of it I agree with, but you gotta hear me out, it would be cool if mace was Snoke but idk, nice theory! Hope I wasn’t mean 😢
Bro Snoke is not Mace Windu 💀
Its definitely an underestimated statement that the Jedi have always interpreted "balance in the force" to forcefully suppress the dark side eventually leading the dark side to seek revenge and completing the cycle. Balance has never been restored
we did see no disfigurement on mace before flying out though, as well as that it didn’t disfigure luke or anakin when they were hit by it
So you're saying Palpatine literally zapped the black out of Mace Windu?
ahhh hahahahahaha
Zapping the black out of Samuel L. Jackson?! No wonder he's pissed!!
R.I.P me xD
SAVAGE
Ikr
If Snoke ever fights and turns out to be Mace Windu, A lot of people, including myself, are going to lose our shit.
As in 'i'm loosing my shit that they decided to make this garbage a reality?'
Javier Krämer Garbage? It's actually quite interesting.
It would be the stupidest plot twist of all time. It would be more hated than Ewoks or even the fact that Rei could use the force without training. Would be really fucking stupid.
Not as dumb as it being Anakin, that would literally be the stupidest choice for Snoke but let's talk about actual potential candidates for his identity
If we find out that the sith lord Jar Jar trained Windu towards becoming the powerful snoke, I will so happy.
Mace windu is not snoke he moved to earth and got a job being the spokesman for capital one credit cards
Maybe mace windu became samuel l Jackson
What ? Really ?
god lol
this really excited for example lsik
Tide films Dude, that is funny shit!!!! Good one!!!! "What's in your light saber?" !!!!! :)