Budget Mini ACOG? Primary Arms Cyclops!
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Primary Arms has hit another home run. Well done
MAJOR SELLING POINT: people with astigmatisms will be in heaven with the prism scope style optics. I cant even look at my aimpoint pro without my glasses on. I can't wait to get one of these!
Nice! Put a 3x magnifier behind it. Also u do have bdc with 16”-14” barrels with in the chevron out to 400. With ur barrel might be more of a 50/200/300 good vid as always! -Dimitri
Primary Arms, LLC might want to rethink that if someone has a polygonal rifled barrel. I own a 16” (1:8) and 11.5” (1:7) polygonal rifled barrel from Columbia River Arms. Using a V3 Magnetospeed chrono my 16” is getting 2730 and 11.5” is getting 2500 with my favorite over the counter 77 grain OTM rounds. It’s even confusing my StrelokPro with all applicable info entered, my 11.5” is hitting 2” higher @200 yards than what the ballistic app is telling me where it should hit using the PA 1-6x ACSS Raptor. I’m thinking the polygonal barrels properties maintains most if not all of the bullets potential BC because it doesn’t dig into the bullet to get it to rifle.
Primary Arms, LLC I love the chevron with the dot moving target leads! I’d love this size optic with that style of clean reticle. It’s still a bad bitch.
i was under the impression prism scopes are incompatible with magnifier's?
@@Xtorin_Housecat_Ohern that's what I also thought
Didn't know you could use magnifiers with prism scopes. Looks like i found a new setup
Still one of the best gun channels on the webs.
Budget is just a way of saying top notch without over paying.
I asked a question that was answered 2 minutes later in the video lol. Love that build. I really need to add a "pistol" to my arsenal.
good times!
Indeed...
Just ordered the same setup, it’s nice to have equipment you can bang around and lose sleep over
Thank you! I'll be getting a couple.
Nice video and I personally think PA is a very underrated company. God bless.
Good Stuff!! ACSS on point!!! :-)
I run the acss TA44 on my BCM 11.5 sbr as well, with wolf 62gr and ~5mph crosswind was getting 50/50 hits at an 18x36” steel at 500M when I sighted in. Went up to about 70% using mk262. Hands down the piece of kit that has increased my efficiency the most out of the box.
Considering this optic for backup rifle build or 300BO upper. SBR was my first and only AR and the 1-1.5x/acss combo has worked better for me than anything else, including LPVOs. I appreciate the video on this optic.
I love my TA44. I like the Cyclops too, but after using both a bit more since shooting this video I'll probably be putting the TA44 back on this 11.5" because why not?
That's a cute little optic.
Cool video great shooting.. not surprised with that optic . I really like it ...
amazing what you can do when you can see the target. With it ... thanks
Think we need to go be a we bit more funds on the Parton page . Try to spread it around though. Will bump it up a bit this weekend. Thanks again
You da man!!
Got the early 2000s Fast and The Furious Paul Walker track for an outro
Great review. I'm on the fence about this and the pa holosun optic with the acss reticle. I am very interested in the grid ffp primary arms has coming out.
When our house in the city sells, I think I'm replacing all my optics with primary arms stuff. All those reticles in ffp that dimitri has designed make too much sense to me. As much as I shoot, all my optics should be ffp. Any how's great video and thumbs up
I got one. Its daylight brightness was a zero! Called PA, said it was a known issue, sent me a replacement (super quick). The replacement was better, but only slightly. Maxed out (11) it changes the reticle from pitch black to kind of red grey. Its good for indoors or low light. Illumination is not good for daylight use in most conditions. I don’t even bother with it outside, I just run it unpowered.
Love these cyclops scopes and put one on three weapons.
I luv the idea of these cyclops. Am I the only one that wished they would have put that big ass adjustment knob on the top instead of the left side of the optic?
I’d rather they get rid of that illumination wheel all together, along with illumination.
Turn off the power during a bright day. The reticle is bold black.
Great optic, ended up going back to a micro RDS though, even with an astigmatism. To use the cyclops like a red dot the illumination was usually at an 11.
Ditto. When on I was at 11 during the day and still wishing for a hair more. My only gripe.
Thanks for putting this out. Been looking for a review of the this optic with an American Defense AD-T1 particularly in terms of ease and quick target acquisition between their PA OEM riser and AD-T1 (Absolute or Lower third). from what I gather PA 1X Cyclops is inherently higher so mounting them on AD-T1-10 (absolute) will give it the height of lower 1/3. Was that the case?
I know the video is a few months old now but I’m still hung up over whether or not to put my trust in this optic over an aimpoint pro for home defense. My main concerns are with Eye box (shooting around corners)
Just subbed...good content! Well informed/ like your approach... That vert fore grip on the pistol though???
It's not a pistol, it's a firearm. >26" and has a VLTOR A5 buffer tube :)
Would an A2 fsb get in the way of the ranging hash marks with the mount provided? I’m between this and the 3x prism scope for home defense/target shooting at max 300yds.
Taking into accoubt eyebox and eye relief, which optic is faster for cqb between the cyclops and ta44? Looking for a plinking sight that can double as a backup competition rifle sight
Great video...if that's a pistol ( noticed the brace) ditch the vert grip......
It's a "firearm" greater than 26".
@@tag1out Not if the overall length is 26" or greater. An 11.5" barrel will take a pistol to "firearm" or AOW status which you can use a VFG on.
Nope. When it's a firearm or AOW you can use a VFG. You should read the ATF rules. :D
yall need to learn the laws before you comment...if the length of the firearm is 26" or greater from the end of the barrel(not counting muzzle device) to the end of the buffer tube, then you can run a vert grip. most 11.5" barreled uppers meet this 26" OAL
What back up sights are you using? Thx.
The reticle is pretty small. I find I prefer the 3X version better for rifle rounds. I think the cyclops will work great on my 45 ACP carbine.
It looks like a good optic. I wish you had compared it against another in the same price range the vortex Spitfire. The most important thing to me is field of view. These things are really for CQB. Even at 200 yards it’s difficult to identify the target. good review
It's a 1x optic designed to be shot with both eyes open. I don't entertain the 'field of view' topic on red dots and 1x optics because it's a bit silly.
Where did you get invisible eye pro?
I believe it’s “Patrons” ya dingaling lol. Dude, budget/affordable options in 2018 are crazy. It doesn’t really maken sense buying ACOG’s and Aimpoints anymore. Unless you are literally kicking doors down, all the weekend plinkers will be MORE than happy with a PA, Votrtex, etc. type optic.
PATRONS!!! Got it. :)
The "budget" optics have come a long way in the last 5 or so years. I'm continually impressed.
I agree. I own acogs. The pa stuff does the same job as acogs for a third the price.
Check out the Browe BCO. The BCO moniker stands for "Browe Combat Optic" and from what I can see, it's a great alternative to the Trijicon ACOG.
+Mrgunsngear Channel has a video covering the Browe BTO 4x32 Prism Scope if anyone requires further in-depth information.
Keep up the good work my friends.
I've seen these and really want to get one to play with.
Is that American Defense mount a lower 1/3 or absolute co-witness?
Good SHTF optic for those that don’t want to shell out the money for a Trijicon.
I tried one of these but the reticle was way too small and it doesn’t illuminate in day light so I couldn’t pick it up on a dark target.
I love PA optics
Bcm stamped matech sight???
Hello highJak! Noob question... What's the pros of using the cyclopes or any 1X prisim in comparison to just back up sites?
Hey Tophers! With iron sights you have multiple planes to focus on and on top of that you have to align those planes with your target. With a red dot or prism there is none of that - you have one plane of focus which frees you up a bit to focus on other more important things as well as generally making your time to get on target and follow-up shots faster.
I’ve watched most of the videos on CZcams about this particular sight. Seems no one really runs an A2 style front sight post with this optic. I do have an A frame front sight post on my 16” AR. Would you say the front sight is a hinderance when looking through the sight? Or does it blur out enough that it isn’t much of an issue. This is probably going to be the optic I buy soon. Just need to know if lower 1/3 is necessary. Thank you and great shooting.
I have a pa 2.5 on my m4 build and the sight is there but it works well!
@highjak86 Lance is my hero.
hahaha much love, Gene!
What kind of SUV is that?
I wanted to ask if you think one could combine a 3x magnifier with the PA 1x acss?
Yeah, this potentially could be done.
Nice, what part of Iowa did you film this?
Central. :)
Thought so, just moved to Montezuma from Baton Rouge. Love it out here
OH MY GOD!!!!! You are sooooo dangerous not wearing your super duper eye pro!!!! Living dangerously!!!!! LOL Just had to..
Ha! I probably should more often especially at ranges like this, but I'm so used to shooting at longer distances where I hate having eye pro which almost always interfere with the view of the target through the scope.
@@Highjak86 I can honestly say that I have almost all buds. Wearing safety glasses when I shoot with a scope
please please please make it in 1.5X seriously its the goldilocks optic power of a combat rifle and NOBODY but Trijicon makes it. it would sell like hotcakes
I've been looking for one forever. It's crazy no one else makes a 1.5x scope.
@@davidlynch1464 they have a 2x but it is always sold out...i want the 2x so bad but i may just opt for this 1x
great job with the review bro!
ive heard that the cyclops chevron aim point is smaller even than the SFP 1-6x and 1-8x ACSS chevrons.
is that true?
thanks in advance.
Oh yeah, for sure. But relatively speaking the reticles on those optics is pretty large. The horseshoe both the TA44 ACSS ACOG and the Cyclops make up for it though. I find the reticle size is fine given the intended use of this optic.
Highjak86 - ok thanks.
man thats a shame. i was really hoping it would be a prominant chevron similiar to the .300 blkout reticle.
well, ill keep rockin the 1-8x.
thanks man!
Completely different animals. The 300BLK variable has to have such a large chevron because it doesn't use the horseshoe. The chevron is both the primary point of aim and frame of reference for shooting up close. Nothing wrong with this and personal pref plays a part when it comes to reticles, but I find nothing wrong with the TA44 and Cyclops reticles for their purpose.
Highjak86 - right. i agree.
but the chevron in the SFP 1-8x is as small as i can use. any smaller and it wouldnt much matter if its a chevron or a dot imo.
in the cyclops , can you actually use the point of the chevron or is it simply used as an aim point as a whole like a dot?
Question: I have the same length as pistol as you do... Is it legal to use that BCM shorty on an AR pistol?
The laws are a bit confusing surrounding AOW legths of 26"+ but a barrel peas than 16".
My understanding: If the OAL of that firearm is >26" then yes you can run a vert grip on a pistol without filling out the AOW paperwork/fee. A "Pistol" >26" that has a vert grip then becomes a "Firearm". As always, check your local and state regs regarding legalities on all of this including the carry of such firearms even with the proper license/permit.
Thank you
i believe, as long as you aren't concealing it.
I have the understanding that any thing under 16” and not a SBR you cannot have a vertical for grip what so ever! A pistol is a pistol and if you put on a vertical for grip it changes the intent or in other words it’s easer for the ATF to prove your intent was to make a SBR with out a stamp!
@@Rralover Incorrect. An AR pistol with a 11.5" barrel meets 'firearm" status and a VFG can be used.
That thing is gassed perfectly..
Standard from BCM ?
Yep, shoots like a dream.
@@Highjak86 do you find enough LOP in that SBA3?
Oh yeah, even with just the standard carbine buffer I was fine, but it has the VLTOR A5 on it.
What mags are those can u leave a link please.
Alucard ETS Elite Tactical System
I think the brightness issue is a non issue. I think people are using them incorrectly. If its bright, don't illuminate, if its bright and you're shooting a dark background illuminate enough to contrast the target. If it's dark use low level brightness setting.
Just curious, what is the overall length of that gun? Figured it was a pistol since you have the brace on it, but then I saw the foregrip so it left me a bit confused.
This is likely answered in some other comments on this video already, but it's >26" since it has the VLTOR A5 buffer system. Legally it's not a pistol, it's now a firearm.
@@Highjak86 that's what I was thinking. Thanks
I sort of cringed when you were shooting right above that gas can.
When I first saw that I thought you had a magnifyr on backwards.....I'm a dur
Haha. With both mounted it does kinda look that way.
Do you still have an optics planet coupon code?
I believe HJ86 will work - give it a shot!
That hat tho
Lol. Much love!
People! Read the ATF regulations. If the overall length is >26" it's not a pistol, but a "firearm" and a VFG can be used legally. Basically if you have an 11.5" - 14" barrel pistol it is legally a "firearm" not a pistol.
Thank you...finally someone with sense lol All these ppl commenting and they don't even know the laws and designations.
I didn’t think you were allowed to have vert grips on ar pistol
It's >26" thus it's now a "firearm", not a pistol.
Wish they had better reticle options...
Have you ever used the ACSS? If it's good enough for the military it should be good enough for you. ;)
Is it just me or does a 1 power prism scope not make much sense? I would have liked a 1.5 or a 2x Shrug
Eugene Walton they already make a 2.5, 3 and 5 power prism scopes this 1 is more for cqb specific roles
If you have an astigmatism or 'old eyes' this is a dream come true.
Great video for those of us that have a stigmatism. Side note. Can’t put a vertical grip on a pistol.
Yeah, ya can. See previous responses below.
Is that registered as an SBR?
no. its a pistol with a pistol brace
It's legally a "firearm" not a pistol. He said his OAL is >26".
How do you think this would do with a standard A2 front sight?
Just fine. Just like any other red dot or 1x optic running a FSP. :)
Aimpoint T2 on my 6920, and a PA 3x ACSS on a PSA mock dissipator and I don’t even notice the front sight post at all on either.
I'm pretty sure Primary Arms specifies zero distances per caliber to make the reticle effective; i.e. 50/200 for 5.56
If you'd like to use the bottom of the chevron at a specific distance then yes, but if not then it doesn't matter obviously.
Yeah if you don't zero per the manual the reticle won't be usable the way it was meant to be.
Regarding mounts, the ADM CASV will give an absolute cowitness
David B could you please tell me more about this? I love an absolute co-witness so have been using the factory mount, but would love quick detach capability.
It's basically a mount used in combination with a CASV Handguard/Riser for an AR15. It's a bit shorter than an absolute cowitness mount. It's also the same height as the Cyclops factory mount.
Vertical grip on a pistol? 😳
It's >26" OAL so it's legally a "firearm".
It's cool, but its Chiniese.
So are polytech AKs ...
What isn't Chinese these days.
Eye pro is for wimps