Warrior cats villains that were heartbroken before they became evil
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A villain isn't born , its made.
Brokenstar: U sure abt that?
Villains are self made as no matter how much trauma they have suffered they have the choice on wether to do the right thing or not.
@@0.721x yes, somtimes
@@rainwan1236 it’s all the time.
For some reason my oc characters are mainly named after them but different names
I meant named after them as I put claw, fang, paw, fur, pelt
Everyone else: tragic and saddening backstory
Ashfur: Is literally just a toxic ex
🤣🤣🤣🤣 I’m dying
Yes.
Ike I kinda hate ashy
I mean he did see his mom killed at the entrance to his camp… soooooo
@FierceheartOfThunderClan @Judgefull Jasper
Or... I could just be making a joke for the satisfaction of likes
don’t forget that for hawkfrost, whenever he was still a kit, his brother, tadpole, drowned in a flood. he watched tadpole drown without
being able to do anything
That name really didn't help ._.
*Sorry*
That’s basically all of the villains (mostly main cause like SnowTuft,Mudclaw,etc where left out) so you I guess have to be a broken baddie before you become evil-
That's true, but if I wrote them all there, it wouldn't fit in one video. and you have to keep in mind that some didn't have broken hearts, but just wanted the power they thought they deserved. Thanks for the feedback and if you want, I can do the part two.
I wouldn't say Mudclaw was a villain.
@@averyhungrypigeon9996 Mudclaw was a... *very minor* villain, but still kind of an antagonist for a few chapters. If I remember correctly, Mudclaw tried to overthrow Onewhisker and/or caused some sort of civil war. I think he counts as a villain, especially if he's a Tigerclone; trying to become leader instead of his replacement.
@@averyhungrypigeon9996 a very MINOR villain but he tried to overthrow OneStar and if I remember correctly teamed up with HawkFrost
@@FANGED-FREAK I do too. Many people would say otherwise but if I remember correctly he also teamed up with HawkFrost so he’s considered a villain at least to me
Can't really blame Tiny (Scourge). Runt of the litter, constantly being bullied by his sisters and told that no one would ever want a cat like that..hell even his mom was a witch. Then he almost got murdered by Tigerpaw......honestly think he just snapped......
I feel bad for scourge too but don't remember his mom being that bad. Was she really a witch?
@@applesplashwarriorcats8339 she didn't actively stop the bullying, and tigerstar forgot about nearly killing scourge but scourge never forgot him. If tigerstar remembered him scourge never would've been brough to the forest (he and firestar are half-brothers)
@@caitlinsessom161 May have remembered him but didn't care at that point? Or probably thought he could play them against each other and murder the survivor? Essentially killing 2 birds with one stone? But I think you're right Tigerstar probably didn't remember him
@@applesplashwarriorcats8339 Like Caitlin said. She let the bullying go neither condoning it but not stopping it either. If I remember right (been years since I read Scourges' Backstory) She pretty much just watched....it really ticked me off.
Also, I apologize for not responding earlier...for some reason CZcams is hit or miss alerting me to replies to my posts.
Needs therapy
1:02 for ashfur, I think that the death of his mother and his father not being there are two significant things-
Yes, Whitestorm was killed by Scourge and Brindleface was killed by Tigerstar
@@duaaouznali1176 yea ik
I didnt know whitestorm was the father. He was willowpelts mate so that means he was cheating!
@@chessy3491 not necessarily. Probably they just broke up before the kits were born and he got with willow
@@loafcat6 but they were born near the same time tho...
A Quick Reminder: Heartbreak Doesn't Justify the Bad Things They've Done
Someone with common sense in this comment section
@@0.721x Most people already know that it’s just no one has said it it’s not a bad thing to see it from the perspective of the character though
@@Ravethecat12 I never said it was bad to see it from the characters perspective but it’s annoying about how many people still find ways to justify their actions mainly by victim blaming the cats these villains have killed or harmed
Lookin at a certain someone
@FierceheartOfThunderClan We're talking about attempted MURDER. Those are the things Ashfur did. You cannot justify murder, whether a fictional character did it or a real human being did it, there still is no excuse for their actions. They took a live away or tried to.
MapleShade will always be one of my favorite warrior cats because of all the pain she went through and the fact that she was banished from her clan because she loved a different clan cat and yet her love left her.
And her kits drowned
mapleshade was never evil she just overreacted
@@JayDoesStuffIDK1 she was always evil.
@@JayDoesStuffIDK1 She was evil-
@@0.721x NO
I think Mapleshade had the most tragic backstory. Her mate left her for another cat, her clan banished her, and her kits drowned. That's like literally just really sad, and I don't blame her for turning evil. She was just broken.
She deserved it all. Firstly she tested her mate as an object and acted as if she owned him her toxic and abusive behavior caused him to leave her and she was the one who got her own kits killed
I agree. Poor thing 😢
Yes because villeins are hero’s with broken hearts ❤️🩹
@@vexxl_in_a_bagelok, ill imagine me justifying lying about a dead cat because it "was a gift from starclan"
It’s not that maple shade was broken but her life was
I sometimes do feel bad for villains. How they were so broken hearted, yet couldn’t let go of that pain, so they turned evil instead. Even some of them in the end regretted what they have done. I just wouldn’t really know what to do for them if I was star clan. I’d still at least, probably bring that good in them they lost, into the light again.
I felt really bad for Skystar though. His sister had died, he broke a bond, his mate got carried away by a damn hawk, and broke a bond with his only other sibling.
@@yourmombutthatsalso.. WHO SNOW? Idk
MapleShade I think did because her kits were in starclan, and she was in the dark forest.
When I read the tiger paw and scourge scene in Bluestar’s prochecy, I felt so sad because it literally said that scourge was happy and excited to meet them
I find that very confusing and I think it could be a error in the Erin's part cause I have almost every warrior cats books and in Bluestar's prophecy Scourge was very excited to meet Bluefur Thistleclaw and Tigerpaw but in the rise of Scourge he was scared of them but like I said Scourge reacting to Bluefur Thistleclaw and Tigerpaw differently in the rise of Scourge then how he reacted to Bluefur Thistleclaw and Tigerpaw in Bluestar's prophecy could be just an error in the Erin's part
@@destinyaugustine123 that’s true, and I hope the actual correct one was Socks being afraid because I absolutely hate it when characters in warriors are excited but change to being terrified. It just hurts 😔
for hawkfrost i’d exchange the reason of tiger star being evil with the death of tadpole. he wanted to follow tigerstar so he wasn’t heartbroken from him being evil. however, tadpole (his brother) died when they were kits so that would be heart break
Hawk frosts biggest fear is being rejected by his mom witch kinda technically happened 💔
Tanjiro's whole family died, he was heartbroken but didn't became a villain, instead he just save people-
We need more people like tanjiro 👍
right and look at Spiderman too, his parents died AND he had to watch his uncle die in his arms, Mary Jane and a bunch of other people were near death, also his Aunt May had at least 2 near death experiences (in the Sam Raimi movies, the best Spiderman movies imo), and he didn't join forces with the Green Goblin or any other villain no matter what tho (even tho I would've loved to see an au Spiderman where he did join the Green Goblin lol)
sorry I am rambling again lol
@@Raikai_Hayato so true! And it's fine
Scourge has a good reason to be evil (my opinion)
He was bullied by his siblings, like how that must have felt, the people your most close to treat you horribly.
Agreed
and they ended up begging him for help when he gained a reputation
like how evan got bullied from his big brother (afton family smh)
There isn't good reasons to be evil, there are reasons to SYMPATHIZE with the evil guy
i was physically bullied and was forced to move schools. my sisters also bullied me for most of my life. i didn't become a serial killer lol. scourge probably has the worst reason to become evil on this list, maybe not counting ashfur.
This is pretty good! Although if you were going down the dead family members path it should be noted that Hawkfrost was heavily effected by the death of his brother, Tadpole. And Ashfur also had to see his two newborn siblings, his father, his mother die, and was likely haunted by the death of fellow apprentice Swiftpaw.
That is exactly what i thought
A cause isn’t an excuse. They all had a choice of what to do and chose evil, although the sad past of these characters makes you wonder what they could have been if the et had just had a nice life
I feel so bad. I hated all the villains so much, but now I feel so sorry for them.
I was bullied by my siblings too… should i take over germany?
Lol
@@Oogityboogity198 PFFFT
you can't even be blamed for that, if you were bullied by your siblings, you are the rightful owner of germany
@@Oogityboogity198 yES XD DO IT
:0 I SHALL HELP DEFEND YOU IN YOUR QUEST- lemme check to see if I have everything: Naptime spray? Yes. Frying pan? Yes. Baseball bat? Yes. Duct tape? Yes. Rope? Yes. Squirt bottle? Yes. Ok I think I’m ready to go and defend you on your journey 😂
I feel bad, when other people think that their just bad because they are, I say that "every warrior has a reason to transform into something so unpure."
There is something missing for Hawkfrost.
He saw his brother Tadpole drown
Once I started to read into Super Editions like Leopardstar's Honor, I started to let tears go down my face at deaths of Whiteclaw, Sunfish, and her mentor. Bluestar's prophecy, the death of her mother. I wasn't very emotional when I read Tigerstar's Shadow (Tigerstar 2). Also the triplet of novellas, I forgot the name, but Spotfur's Rebellion... Oh Stemleaf... Oh Spotfur. It made me cry. And Blackstar's one too. The vision of him attacking in the rogue attack. Then the vision of Brokentail...... The poor kit. There was also Daisy's one. I think that made me cry too. Now as I watched this, I tried not to cry. And people don't understand villains. They just DON'T. AND PEOPLE HATE VILLAINS. THEY HATE THEM. MOST OF MT FAVOURITE CHARACTERS ARE VILLAINS! LIKE SCOURGE! AND DARKSTALKER FROM WINGS OF FIRE! AND VILLAINS ARE COOL TOO! WHY DO PEOPLE HATE THEM SO MUCH? I WILL DO SOMETHING BAD TO ANYONE WHO TRIES TO DISAGREE WITH ME!
I am sorry for shouting. I'm holding back angry tears right now. So.... I hope this video makes people understand. Just please. Warriors is very emotional and heartbreaking. I'm only up to The Power of Three, and I know so many spoilers that I don't even care about any. But also I know all those villains. :P
Yeah I'm out of the smadness (sad+mad) now heheh
Scourge is my favorite character too:D I don't understand why so many people don't feel bad for her. All Scourge wanted, is to be Happy( To have his own housefly and that his siblings don't bully him because of his size)
Hawkfrosts brother also died and he was motivated by Tigerstar to become evil, he was such a sweet lil cinnamon roll as a kit
I always feel so bad for Mapleshade
this gave me a whole new perspective on Tigerclaw/star... I never knew this had happend to him!
This is true and sad. Good job
Maple shade backstory is so sad :[
I don’t think Ashfur was really a villain because even though he had the intention to kill Hollyleaf, Lionblaze, and Jayfeather, I believe that he wasn’t 100% aware of what he was doing and he was driven by love of squirrelflight
Ik this is old,but i feel like even though ashfur is kinda evil (holly,jay,and lion attempted murder aswell as firestars) squilf was in the wrong for ditching bramble because they were arguing,leading ashfur on,then getting back with bramble after they got happier- like squillfff thats not how that workkss
This aged poorly…
when I read bluestar prophecy, I remember when goosefeather says:"I have nightmares only when I see him" and other bad things about tigerkit. It was very sad 😔
Maple shade was a good mother, she tried to help her kits cuz in a art someone made, she was seen trying to get her kit out of the river by lending her paw out
corect
Ah yes she’s a good mother for forcing her kits to swim across a flash flooded river when she had other safe options
@@0.721x she actually is. If she didn't thunderclan would've killed them in cold blood
@@0.721x what else was she supposed to do? The kittypet bridge was close to thunderclan territory , if she went to the kittypet house the two legs would have taken her kittens in instead , I don't blame frecklewish for telling her father to banish mapleshade and her kits , but maybe if oakstar just instead let mapleshade get banished and her kits stay?
Mapleshade had no choice or she wasn't really thinking . Appledusk Told her that he will love her , forever . Yet he lied , mapleshade thinking that appledusk will still love her forever , her kits drowned . And appledusk rejected her and showing that he had another mate . He lied to her and made her think that he loved her forever .
Mapleshade would have been cold blood when she was near thunderclan territory in that same exact time , frecklewish was there doing a patrol .
@@kayleethurston8084they wouldn’t :)
Thank you for including scourge,I feel bad for him.
Clear Sky/Skystar had a really sad backstory, like, his sister died, his mate Bright Stream and unborn kids died, his 2nd mate Storm left him to have her kits alone and only one survived whole she and the others died. Like, omg, poor Clear Sky, he needs some love
Amazing job, love it
tigerstar also feels bad about, not knowing how to be a father, cinder'pelts leg, and leaving his former mate
I feel so sorry for those cats they suffered so much.. 😭
I never really never knew much about Tigerstars backstory, is there a book just about his life? That’s something I would LOVE to read.
Whats surprising is: I'm surprised FireStar and Scourge are actually half silbings
Needletail’s reason for being (not actually) evil:
She just wanted to join in on the cool new trend
She wasn't (somewhat) evil, she was a troublemaker that fell in with a REALLY bad crowd
@@catxborsuq1 I'll fix that now, that you :D
Needletail actually does have a tragic backstory. In one of the Barnes and Noble exclusive chapters of I think Thunder and Shadow, we learn about her. When she was an apprentice she was carried off by an owl and had a literal stranger help her back home, and she learned her clan didn't even bother to send a search party or even worried about her.
It's not the saddest but it makes sense why when she's older she doesn't care about ShadowClan and joins with Darktail.
Now, these chapters should've never been Barnes and Noble exclusive, but this one is vital into understanding Needletail as a character.
@@kneelessnightcat9164 I didn't get that version. But thanks for telling me :D
I often wondered what needletails story was
Ashfur: His mother was murdered when he was young and he and his sister had to bury her
At first, Tiger’Star seems like a bloodthirsty, violent, mean character. But in reality he is nice, he just lost everything he loved.
This really gives you a different perspective of their past lives. But they still could have kept going, have faith and hope.
I will forever stand by my statement of,
*Mapleshade is one one of the best warriors villains.*
YES
She is. My favorite too.
Amazing how the villain who had almost caused the most damage had the pettiest reason for being evil.
Who? Ashfur or Tigerstar?
@@Olgarall1482 Ashfur. While Tigerstar's desire for power could also be seen as petty, he'd talk about how he would "restore the glory days of TigerClan" and whatnot, so while he was obviously after private glory I think it was a bit better than "girl I love doesn't want to be mine". And he obviously nearly caused far more damage than even Tigerstar.
@@catxborsuq1 Oh okay. But to defend Ashfur, he did see the dead body of his mother, watch both his siblings and his father die
@@Olgarall1482So did Ferncloud and Cloudtail and neither turned into psychopaths. Also, that's two of his siblings, both would imply those were his only siblings. And many other cats lost their parent when young and didn't turn evil (examples, aside from Ferncloud and Cloudtail: Bluestar, Snowfur, Oakheart, Crookedstar, Tallstar, Hawkwing, Sorreltail, Rainwhisker, Sootfur, and that's just off the top of my head; actually, ever cat sees the dead body of their parent, as they all sit vigil for them, so I was just using examples of cats on the more or less young side when it happened). And the identity of their father was never stated in books; don't care about what "official website's family tree" states, Whitestorm was brought up several times to be Sorreltail, Rainwhisker and Sootfur's father, but never Ashfur and Ferncloud; neither does he act any bit fatherly towards them, with Sorrelkit he at least visited her in the medicine cat den. And before THAT, it was stated that his father was Redtail and that Sandstorm was his sister :eyeroll:
The point is, him seeing Brindleface's body is no excuse for him turning out like he did. Especially when he started going crazy seasons after that happened.
@@catxborsuq1 tbh my broskie all it takes is one bad day to make someone snap
I feel so bad and btw thanks so much bc I totally forgot some of the villains!! Thanks!!
I think they should make a villain who was the deputy of a weak clan.He was proud and was also very loyal he was willing to do anything for his clan.One day another clan attacked his clan and killed his leader and his friends and clanmates.He became leader and after that make all of his living warriors train everyday for a long time so their defense would increase.His weak clan became strong and he wanted revenge on the clan who killed his leader and clanmates so he planned an attack on the other clan but the clan was stronger so they lost.After that fight the leader went insane and start forcing all of his warriors to fight other clans which led to alot of deaths.He got a hunger for fighting and would always attack different clans no matter how hard he tried his clan would always lose.He would always blame the death of his clanmates on themselves saying "they chose to fight" even though he knew it was his fault.He became more insane and attack the clan who made him leader and managed to thrive them out of their territory.Even though he already got his revenge he wanted more.He wanted to kill every single cat on the "evil" clan so he would kidnapped them and kill them.
When he was tired of kidnapping he led a predator on their territory which led to them losing a couple of warriors.He was happy but wanted more so he tried attacking the deputy but he lost the fight and lost a life.He tried to led the leader and deputy to a predator but he failed and died instead.he tried everything in his power to bring the clan down but it led to him losing all of his 9 lives and went to the dark forest
Clearsky (Skystar) was never evil, he was just confused. 😢
As much as I love Hawkfrost. He wasn't heartbroken. He was just overambitious to get power. I don't think he cared this much about Sasha leaving and especially wasn't heartbroken about Tigerstar being a serial killer. Hawkfrost was proud about it.
Dude yes he was he saw his brother drown and he was abandoned by his mom he also almost drowned again but Feathertail saved him and then she died and the only reason he followed Tigerstar was to make at least one of his parents proud of him!
Yup! Arrogant j@ck@ss doesn't deserve any sympathy he was just like his father who also doesn't deserve any sympathy
I don’t understand sometimes for the ones who lost their siblings, It’s hard but no reason to murder people
Fun fact: when scourge almost died, tigerpaw was tigerclaw. Her was newly made a warrior
Honestly, after I read Warriors, A Vision Of Shadows, Shattered Sky, and found out what happened to Darktail, I was kind of feeling pity for him, I know Onestar meant well, he just wasn't ready to be a father especially since he was in a clan and the cat I think was named Smoke, who was his mate who was either a Kittypet or Rogue. But the way Darktail was scared me! And I wonder what happened to Needletail after the fight with the Kin! We never knew if Onestar died but I suppose so because Harespring was the Deputy of WindClan, and he or she had his or her ceremony so I'm about 90% sure Onestar died. And Darktail too, because they both never came back after the fight between Darktail and Onestar is the river or waterfall. This makes me feel sad for the villains and seeing what happened is heartbreaking. :(
Harestar is a male -w- Yw-
@@_e_5388 needletail obviously died
All the cats on this list besides Hawkfrost and Scourge are unlikable and are horrible people
And mapleshade
@@wolfywlf3983 No
Honestly Mapleshade is kinda gamer
@@pome-granit992 Mapleshade sucks
@@wolfywlf3983 no
You forgot, tadpole.
Hawk’frost had to watch his littermate tadpole die in front of him when he was very young
I don’t understand why people hate Clear Sky! He is a good character and actually one of my favorites besides Turtle Tail.
I actually feel sad for mapleshade and sol. poor them :(
I don’t feel bad for ashfur or mapleshade cause they both lied (warrior cats website *cough cough *)
I'm pretty sure sol lied about his backstory about him being abandoned
It was actually never confirmed, so it's up to interpretation
Props to you for giving credit
You made me cry with the music and everything, I knew none of this and I am on The Broken Code The Silent Thaw
Wow, I didn’t know TigerStar and HawkFrost were heartbroken before turning evil. This makes me feel so much badder for them.
Tigerstar was turned evil by thistleclaw
@@crystalgiddings7083 And Mapleshade
Even if they have suffered from what they been through and we felt sympathy for them, it doesn't change what they have done 🔪🩸😡💔
This is proof that only a few villains were evil for no reason but mostly all of them have a point to be evil
crookedxbroken 4 lyf
@@Oogityboogity198 excuse me 😰
@@Spleenchomper theres a lot of text proof to support it i swear!!!
@@Oogityboogity198 but why would you ship crookedStar and brokenstar-
@FierceheartOfThunderClan LMAO
Brokenstar wasnt only destroyed because of his adoptive mother being terrible. it was a huge part of it, but not entirely. he never knew who his REAL mother was and was raised without knowing, causing his adoptive siblings to tease and bully him because he was different from the others.
Great Video.
Reply to a comment below claiming that Ashfur would be a better option for Squirrelflight than Bramblestar:
Uh, sorry, calling bullshit here. Branblestar might be a bitch to Squirrelflight by not listening to her but Ashfur is in no way a 'better option'. He has shown himself to be psychotic and possessive, heartbroken or not. If he had become Squirrelflight's mate, he might've hurt Squirrelflight or the three severely in his anger when (not if, *when*) he found out Lion, Jay and Holly were not his kits. (See the fire scene in Eclipse for how far he'll go when mad). So, my point is, neither of them are good mates for Squirrelflight. Both are manipulative assholes out for their own gain.
also because ashfur and squirllelflight are uncle and neice
@@dgo5051 How, if you don't mind me asking? I tried looking at the family tree and the wiki and Ashfur's not Sandstorm's brother afaik. He can't be Firestar's brother bc then he'd be a kittypet.
I feel so bad for Mapleshade i never knew her mate left her.
Yeah, she’s got one of the worst backstories
She deserves it
And in the warrior codes the mother shoul burry there kits death,For no reason they just kicked her out,And like there was cat watching them drown and not even helping them and appledusk was a cheater,yet he got into starclan but mapleshade didn't thats not fair even ashfur got in to starclan,Mapleshade was killing of cats cause she was hallucanating of her kits saying things.
She still deserves Sympathy. Plus,Cookie is right.
@@RaND0M_Gu1ldieso an abuser deserves sympathy?
Even after Hawkfrost knows about his father, he still wanted to be like him. His mother, Sasha left to keep the father's identity a secret from the clans
I loved this video! Though, I think ashfur needs a bit more information included like how his mother died from dogs that tigerstar had sent out. But I love this video! You did great!
You also forgot about Ashfur's mom and dad being killed. Ashfur straight up watched his dad (and lots of other cats) die during the Bloodclan attack, and he and some other young apprentices had to kill the deputy of Bloodclan. He was also neglected by Dustpelt. So, he didn't turn evil because of Squirrelflight, he was already messed up, so trauma, and grief made him that way, Squirrelflight played a very small role in that tho. :)
But Ashfur was still fine at the time. (I think)
@@whitefur123 he was showing signs before the Squirrelflight thing. He was obviously not mentally well, it wasn't Squirrelflight's fault.
@@whitefur123 It's possible he was "fine" but the psychological trauma induced by those previous events set him off so when squilf rejected him he was way more hurt than he would have been if those things hadn't happened, even if on their own they didn't have much effect on him.
@FierceheartOfThunderClan Dustpelt was supposed to take care of Ashpaw and Fernpaw, but instead, he only really spent time with Fernpaw, because he was attracted to her (not only was Fernpaw his niece, she was also a child, when Dustpelt was attracted to her..) are you sure he did some wrong? Moonkitti has a good video that explains it better!:)
@FierceheartOfThunderClan he did a lot wrong lol. And I don't hate Thornclaw for that. Thornclaw didn't neglect a grieving kid..Dustpelt did.
Fernpaw was a *teenager* which is still wrong. Dustpelt was literally a grown man/cat, attracted to a teenager..
Tigers dad went to get the milk
Hawkfrost: mother left, father serial killer.
me: wait, this is starting to sound like-
*the afton family has entered the room*
The two main cats I could think of was Ashfur and Thisleclaw and you forgot Thisleclaw. Thisleclaw pretty much became evil at the death of his mate. He ignored his son after her death and devoted himself to the darkforest and training Tigerpaw.
ive always tried to sympathise for villains, mapleshade was always my favorite because when people say: "SHE KILLED 3 OR 4 CATS! >:(" firester killed like- 5 or 6- also, mapleshade heard the LITERAL VOICE OF HER DEAD KITS CALLING OUT FOR BLOODY VIOLENCE AND REVENGE. Edit: yall heated about this, i really dont wanna hear it rn, leave me alone.
She flat out murdered innocent people for no reason her “hearing voices” in her head does not justify her actions so stop.
@@0.721x yet i agree with half of that she didn't do it for no reason . . . Apple dusk cheated on her and with this random woman so she killed her cheating ex.the cat that found out in the first place and the cat that watched her kits drown. yet i still agree all of these things were wrong.
@@jester-gu9pq Appledusk literally never watched her kits drown. He saved Mapleshade from drowning in the river and went to go save the kits. So that’s entirely false
@@0.721x BRO i never said he did.Frecklewish watched the kits drown
@@jester-gu9pq yes you did you just edited it. And frecklewish didn’t watch her kits die either. Did you even read the book? /g 😐
Im sorry but this sounds like your putting pity on villains- no hate yet that’s the vibe i get. These things all had reasons. (I cannot say for tigerclaw being a serial killer)
None of these villains deserve pity. Well except Clear sky as he isn’t really a villain. But has done some questionable things
I always through shame at these characters, but now that I have seen this video I feel like… really bad and sorry for them 😢
I forgot one thing with hawkfrost. His clan hated him because of who his father was.
yeah which kind of ticks me off because I don't remember any cat hating on Mothwing because she was Hawkfrost's sister, yet nobody hated her Riverclan (as far as I can remember)
I’m looking back now when I’ve despised these villains-
⚠️Spoiler alert for below⚠️
Tbh, I still dislike Ashfur. His actions are not forgiven in my mind, like he literally tried to destroy the Clans even when he was dead bc Squirrelflight chose Bramblestar over him 💀💀💀
Ashfur is the definition of simp💀
Me when I commit war crimes but it's okay cus I was sad
LMAOO
Tiger stars dad: DONT WORRY SON IM JUST GONNA GET THE MILK
I feel really bad for Mapleshade because so much pain that she had to go, and it was heartbreaking. If her mate never left her shed be happy
Actually mapleshade was manipulative and mean/rude before the whole kits thingy, watch bright guardian akiras video on her to learn more.
Mapleshade was already a horrible person before the death of her kits and her mate reasonably leaving her. She indirectly lied about being the mate of a dead cat and used his clearly grieving family, she assumed that starclan would be ok with what she was doing, and when she was being sentenced she refused to acknowledge her crimes and threatened thunderclan after her sentence.
And Appledusk leaving her is completely valid as she ignored the desperate pleas of their kits and forced them to cross a flash flooded river. Him blaming her means he actually cares about his kits and he cared about her because when she was drowning in the river he saved her then immediately went to save his kits and he even ask her if she deliberately crossed the river when the Riverclan patrol found their bodies.
Also it’s never confirmed he cheated on her because we read through mapleshades POV and it’s proven to be very untrustworthy and idiotic. Her Assuming he cheated would be the equivalent of her assuming frecklewish watched her kits drown which also isn’t the true.
And to note cat pregnancies in warriors are not that accurate as some cats in the series are pregnant immediately and some take more time, the same way how they age up cats so it’s more likely he got reedshine pregnant after leaving Mapleshade as for one the book was coming to an end and her novella was obviously rushed.
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This comment is too long so it's in parts because I can't reply otherwise. Do NOT swarm me without reading all of it. I'm fucking tired of this hellish fandom giving me death threats for liking Mapleshade and acknowledging that this book is a tragedy and her victims were not perfect little saints.
Read the book instead of following Moonkitti, BGA, and Kiri like a cult member. This fandom has its head up its ass following popular CZcamsr's every word.
Appledusk DID canonically have an affair. He "apologizes" to Reed specifically, and she fucking wails when he says he met with Mapleshade. She is at a level of pregnant that she'd had to have been pregnant before Patch, Petal, and Larch drowned.
He's not a little saint, he's a fucking pathetic excuse for a man. ONE good action does not erase months/years of being a little prick.
His "apology" is nothing. He's practically saying "Well, sure, I did that but I'm here saying I regret it so sorry if YOU see ME in a bad light."
He canonically calls Patch, Petal and Larch mistakes and lightly threatens Mapleshade before she runs from Riverclan, half fucking dead.
Again and again and again when I hear debates about this book and its characters, I continuously hear about how Mapleshade isn't "reliable" Or that she was always an evil vile manipulator who deserved to be exiled and have her children drown. Or that she's the ONLY bad guy in the story, and everyone else is perfect little angels who did no wrong whatsoever.
You guys should not automatically take CZcamsr's personal thoughts about a book or character as canon/truth.
Repeat: Do not fucking swarm me without reading this whole thing. I have been given death threats for liking Mapleshade and I'm fucking tired of this hellpit of a fandom trying to tell me I deserve to die for liking a villain and acknowledging this tragedy book as a tragedy.
One reason why I've heard people say Mapleshade and/or her book isn't "reliable" is that she "dislikes her clanmates", so therefore her view, and by extension, the book, is "biased."
That Mapleshade was evil from birth, that she manipulated everyone from the start and never cared about her kids.
But Mapleshade never expressed any ill will or dislike of her clanmates… AT ALL. EVER.
It is only AFTER she is exiled that she becomes angry and bitter towards her clanmates. I have read the book countless times and I have yet to find an example of Mapleshade expressing any blatant dislike of her clanmates, so honestly, I am under the assumption people are 1: assuming things or making shit up just because Mapleshade is a villain. Or 2: twisting some meaningless insignificant text from the book to fit their weird personal fanon narrative.
For example, someone once told me that Mapleshade must dislike her clanmates because she claimed to "not have any faith" in them. Except, when you go and read the actual text, it goes as follows:
The RiverClan warrior curled his tail over his back. "I'm going to be a father," he purred. "Incredible." He tipped his head to one side. "But these kits will be half-Clan. Half RiverClan. How will your Clanmates feel about that?"
"They won't know," Mapleshade answered. She noticed Appledusk flinch. "At least, not at first," she went on. "I will raise them as ThunderClan until they have been fully accepted. Then every cat will be able to cope with the truth. Why should it matter that their father lives in a different Clan?"
The fur on Appledusk's shoulders twitched. "You have great faith in your Clanmates," he murmured.
"No, I have faith in StarClan, and in the warrior code."
When given the actual context, it doesn't read "I dislike my clanmates" in the slightest. There is no resentment or hostility, she's just acknowledging the reality of her situation: her clanmates ABSOLUTELY would not accept half-clan kits or a mother with a Riverclan mate. So instead of putting her trust in them, she is putting her trust in Starclan, as most other cats in the series do. Additionally, on the very next page she is shown to be playful and teasing with an apprentice:
The air in the clearing was still and cold, tasting of old leaves and damp earth. The little orange apprentice bounced around Mapleshade. "Hurry up! When did you get so slow?" Mapleshade flicked him lightly with her tail. "What would Deerdapple do if you spoke like that to her, hmmm?"
Nettlepaw looked down at the ground at the mention of his mentor. "She'd probably make me pick ticks off Rabbitfur for a moon," he admitted.
Mapleshade purred, too full of joy about her kits to be short-tempered. "You're lucky that I won't punish you, then. Now, off you go and let me speak to Beetail."
Normal adult/apprentice behavior. Why would a she-cat who blatantly hates her clanmates have such playful, lighthearted interactions with them? We never see that from any other cat who dislikes its peers. She's a normal she-cat. Why do you guys try so hard to paint her pre-exile self in such a shitty light? The entire point of her story is that she is a normal, loving mother who turned to evil after the death of her kits. She isn't an already evil dirtbag who became even eviler.
The only times Mapleshade ever expresses any negative emotion towards her clanmates is after her kits are born. But ONLY when she is uncomfortable, or reasonably upset. See:
"Thank you," Mapleshade meowed hoarsely. She wondered if it would be rude to ask Oakstar to leave. His scrutiny was making her more and more nervous.
Mapleshade fought down the urge to bat Frecklewish away. These are my kits, not yours!
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The old tom narrowed his eyes. "You're not that bad," he rasped. "I can't believe any kit of Birchface would be heavy-footed as a badger." He glanced at Petalkit, who was licking the paw that had caught on the stick. The blood was roaring in Mapleshade's ears now. "I will not have my kits judged before they have even begun their warrior training!" She hissed. "Patchkit, come here! We're going for a walk in the forest!"
These are all the examples I could find until her exile when she actually becomes defensive. (No. You cannot use the hatred Mapleshade feels after the death of her kits as proof of her pre-exile self being evil. That makes no fucking sense.)
Throughout the first half of the book, Mapleshade presents no genuine hate or dislike towards her clanmates. She only wanted Oakstar to leave the nursery because she was nervous? And was protective over Frecklewish being too close to her just-born kits? And was mad that a clanmate dissed her kits' pouncing skills? None of this speaks "Mapleshade dislikes her clanmates!" or "She never loved her kids!"
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I've seen people claim (pre-exile) Mapleshade is some evil manipulative monster is because she views her kits as a blessing. And a mother viewing her kits as a blessing automatically means she does not care about their wellbeing?
And no Moonkitti using the "Appledusk is mine, these kits will make sure of that," line is not a valid argument. She's right. Appledusk is her husband who she fucking believes is monogamous. She has no idea he's an affair-having prick. She just told him she's pregnant, walked away, and saw another woman walk right up to him and cuddle with him. Anyone would get anxiously jealous at that. Obviously, it's not Reedshine's fault, it's Appledusk's, but this scene does not tell us she planned to use her kits.
And before that, when he first sees her, he flexes his claws at her. No need for that whatsoever. She's there visiting him because he has been standing her up for weeks, as we find out in canon, and this is a gathering. Cats are allowed to cross between the different clan groups at gatherings. Of course, relationships are not allowed, but it is literally a time when cats can go visit their friends from other clans. Any cat watching would have assumed she was a friend.
When he shows his true colors, he says sorry because he got caught. When the kits die, he debates saying no to bringing their bodies to camp. He does not vouch for them to be given a vigil, which is something all cats should have, and he is shown to be perfectly fine training Perchpaw just a couple of days later.
ONE good action does not erase months/years of being a prick.
He had an affair on his wife, long-term and serious enough to get his mistress pregnant.
Mapleshade never acts controlling toward him prior to her breakdown. And no, you can not use her view of him after her breakdown as evidence, that makes no fucking sense. She never gets pissed that he's been standing her up, she never forces him into anything, she loves him for fucks sake.
And even with Birchface and Flowerpaw. If he felt any guilt over that, THE BOOK WOULD HAVE NOTED IT BECAUSE MAPLESHADE LOVED HIM. He canonically shows no remorse.
I have two copies of MV, one has the "That stupid apprentice should have never followed him into the river." line, the other does not. I don't know why this happens, but take that if you want.
I mean I'm not even going to bother with this one. Mapleshade (let it be known that when I refer to Mapleshade, I only mean her pre-breakdown self) adores her kits. The love she has for her kits IS WHY SHE BECOMES A VILLAIN IN THE FIRST PLACE.
"This mother does not care about her kits"
And yet grieves when they pass, has a mental breakdown, and kills cats as an act of vengeance over their deaths.
She never plans to show them off. If anything, Frecklewish and Oakstar need to be called out for that when they literally state the kits will be raised as weapons. She never compares them to Appledusk, she's a proud mother for fucks sake. Is a mother not allowed to think of the husband she loves when she has their children?
For a moment Mapleshade wanted to tell the other cats to get out, to leave her alone with this tiny precious creature. Nothing would ever be as special as this heartbeat when she met her first kit.
AND NO, you can not blame her for the first line there. It is canonically noted in Warriors multiple times mothers are protective of their newborns- as they should be, and Mapleshade is a first-time mother and was just having trouble with the pain of the contractions.
She never forces her anxious son into anything he doesn't want to do, she defends her children from Rabbitfur's judgment, and never tried to make them replicas of any other cat, unlike the other cats in Thunderclan who we actively see compare their every breath to Birchface.
At her worst, Mapleshade is delusional. She believes that if her clanmates grow to love and care for her kits, they will continue to do so after it is revealed they are half-Riverclan, and by extension, come to accept Riverclan cats, ending their battles altogether. A part of this stems directly from the care she has for her kits; she wants them to be loved and accepted by their birth clan, rendering them safe from any hatred or ill will. But it also stems from the love she has for her mate, in which she hopes the two clans will stop their fighting so she and Appledusk can be at peace.
Mapleshade believing all of this doesn't make her manipulative, it doesn't make her a shitty mother who doesn't love her kits, it doesn't make her some possessive stalker woman who is overly controlling of her mate - it makes her a naive she-cat who is blind to the reality of the situation at hand. Simple as that. She believes things will play out exactly how it does in her rainbow sparkles fantasy land. But obviously, they don't.
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And just a note:
A book focusing on one character doesn't make it inherently unreliable. Like… A narrator is never inherently an unreliable one. That's just the truth. A villain narrator can be equally as reliable as a hero, and a hero narrator can be equally as unreliable as the villain. You cannot twist shit and claim Mapleshade and her book is "unreliable" just because you don't personally like her character, you don't personally agree with her actions (which the book never tries to make you do in the first place), or you don't personally enjoy how the plot/characters were handled. That is simply not how it works.
But I would also like to point out that Mapleshade doesn't even have control over the narrative in the first place. An unreliable narrator is almost exclusively present in the first person point of view, which Mapleshades Vengeance IS NOT. How can a narrator be unreliable if they aren't even the narrator?
Post-exile Mapleshade is a feral, starving murderer, but that is 100% not a reflection of the book's story or narrative. She didn't start evil. She wasn't always an evil bitch. She never "used" her kits. Appledusk was not a poor little saint. Reedshine deserved better than this affair-having prick.
And by the logic of "Grief excuses all," then Mapleshade is a saint. But she's not, because grief is not an excuse. It is a reason. Frecklewish doesn't belong in hell, but she's not justified for screaming verbal abuse at toddlers and clearly scaring them in doing so, and then committing aggravated assault attacking their mother in front of them, and negligent manslaughter by watching them struggle in the river.
If Mapleshade could be IN the fucking water and hear the RC patrol shouting once they'd seen her in there, Frecklewish could have yelled for them the second she saw the patrol. Frecklewish could have saved precious seconds if she had, maybe even enough to save one of the kits.
@@xxblackdahliaxx6490 Not you victim blaming Appledusk. Please explain how he stood her up. I’m getting a strong Impression that you’ve never even read the book despite owning it and you’ve built your “information” soley off of other peoples opinions. Literally everything I have stated is facts as it happened in the book. Appledusk being forced to stay away from here is not standing her up it’s called having common sense because both thunderclan and Riverclan doubled their border patrols after the battle over running rocks.
You saying he killed birchface and with no remorse is also false. There is literally evidence in the text of him feeling uncomfortable when talking about his and flowerpaws deaths and he even outright says it’s an accident.
**She felt Appledusk stiffen beneath his pelt. “It was an accident,” he growled. “I never meant for him to fall into the river.” Mapleshade closed her eyes. “That’s not the way my Clanmates see it. They blame you for both of our losses.” [...] “Then they are fools.” Appledusk shuddered, then relaxed." - Chapter 1.**
It uses language like shuddered and stiffened, Appledusk is having a physical reaction to when he's reminded of the accidental death he caused, clearly showing he's uncomfortable about it and yes, regretful. So you can’t even use that false fact saying he felt no remorse when accidentally “killing” him.
And please explain why you’re lying making up false facts saying ridiculous things like “he rufuses to bring their bodies to camp”
He clearly cared about his kits and was upset when they died. Even in death he still loved them with all his heart and there’s clear evidence of this in chapter 5.
**Appledusk set down Petalkit’s body as gently as if she were sleeping." - Chapter 5, even when his kit is dead, Appledusk makes sure to be careful with their body.**
And Mapleshade, she is a horrid person even before the birth of her kits and there’s clear evidence of it, as examples of her using her kits to seal a claim on him. She didn’t see her kits as living beings and wanted to use them as tools. Please explain how her saying “stay away from him reedshine he’s mine and these kits will make sure of that” doesn’t imply that she planned to use them as bargaining tools to seal a claim on her mate.
And who the hell cares if he “cheated” on her cats have no concept of what that is just because they have seemingly humanized thoughts doesn’t mean they comprehend cheating,mating for life,and same sexuality relationships. And it’s incredibly funny how everyone demonizes him for “cheating on Mapleshade” but then act like Whitestorm didn’t do the same thing with brindleface when he went and got with graystripes mother and got her pregnant. Or how Doverwing was trying bumblestrioe out around the same time she was with tigerheartstar and she says she’s only trying him out because he’s thunderclan. Or how bluestar let thrustpelt pretend to be her mate while knowing of his obvious feelings for her which is at this point pretty close to becoming mates with him.
She doesn’t treat her mate nor her kits as living beings only objects used to get any and everything she wants. And where is it proven that Appledusk is sorry he got caught. The only thing he regretted was getting into a relationship with a woman who doesn’t have basic common sense nor values the safety of those around her. He had every right to leave her and you people sit there and Demonize him for it but then turn around and scream he deserves to die or that her murders are justified.
Mapleshade clearly doesn’t love her kits if she couldn’t do one simple task which was to keep her kits safe, and that stupid argument about her “not being in the right head space” isn’t going to work because even then any mother that cares about their child regardless of what mental state she was in she would put her child’s life first before her own as they are their pride and joy but she didn’t do any of that. She only cared about what she wanted which is exactly what led to her kits demise because of her stupidity of believing a flash flooded river would be safe to cross and believing that starclan will approve of her half clan kits and a side note, using a dead cats grieving family very much is Manipulative and abusive stop trying to Glorify it.
@@xxblackdahliaxx6490 Please explain how I’m twisting the facts about her book. You’re only assuming that and making the assumption that I’m twisting lies about her because I “dislike her” if me disliking your favorite character hurts your feelings then oh well that’s not my fault but don’t go saying I’m twisting shit just because you don’t wanna believe the facts.
And Frecklewish never watched her kittens die. And none of the additional facts that the new story team wrote in are true. In the original book it’s stated that frecklewish only saw Mapleshade fall off the stones it didn’t say anything about her seeing the kits. You could say the writing team have free reign to make certain things canon but I personally feel that the idiotic explanation they gave as to why frecklewish is in the DarkForest isn’t canon, as they did not write Mapleshades vengeance.
**And Vicky Holmes the one who wrote the entire novella herself believes frecklewish is in starclan. Vicky, the sole Author who worked on the book statement’s is proof enough that she should be in starclan as she hasn’t at all mentioned that she should be in the DF. What the writing team has stated is bs and clearly isn’t true. As for one we’re reading the book through Mapleshade’s perspective. And her perspective is proven to be very untrustworthy as she is just an overall horrible cat and only cares about what she wants. The book is literally an autobiography about her life and that should have been clear enough that it was through her perspective and you can’t say that it isn’t when it’s exactly true. It is also her who ASSUMED frecklewish watched them die when nettlepaw told her that frecklewish followed her to make sure she left.**
It was never Frecklewish’s intention to let them die but that’s what happened anyway. Mapleshade only killed her because she didn’t wanna accept that fact that she is the reason her kits died. And in the book we constantly see her shifting the blame so she can make herself feel better. There are cats in the series who have lost way more than her and still managed to stay on the right path even when they had no one by their side to help them. So it was very possible for her to move on in time.
And before their deaths she was already constantly putting her kits lives in danger, when she took them out the camp while they were too young and let them swim in a river where she almost indirectly caused a fight with the Riverclan patrol before Appledusk talked them down and went to fish patchkit out the river, she then proceeds to act all “lovingly” towards him and that’s when ravenwing sees them and comes to the conclusion. That’s exactly how they got kicked out in the first place. Without that, Ravenwing's omen by itself: Three Reeds in a Thunderclan camp, could have had a million meanings and didn't directly point to Mapleshade's kits at all. However, by Mapleshade taking her kits to the river and talking with Appledusk, she gave him all the clues he needed. Clear evidence of her being a horrible mother and not protecting their secret.
And Mapleshade deserves a way harsher punishment as she committed worse crimes than giving birth to half clan kits. Mapleshade was mates with the Riverclan cat who "killed" two of her Clanmates, yet continued to love and see him even afterwards.
She cruelly used one of the victims' names and his grieving family, including her best friend, pretending to be his mate and mother of his kits. And when she was exposed, she refused to acknowledge any wrongdoing and threatened Thunderclan after her sentence.
And before you say “frecklewish shouldn’t have assumed” that isn’t the problem has Mapleshade had the queens right to not reveal the father much like bluefur(star) or she simply could have told her no. But instead she took the chance to use her.
**Mapleshade took a deep breath. “I have no lied out loud. This was all Frecklewish’s doing. But I cannot turn down this chance to have my kits welcomed with the love they deserve”**
**“You have answered my prayers,frecklewish. She mewed softly “my kits and I are no longer alone”**
**A perfect example of her being an ass who deserves harsh punishment**
Everything I have said are facts based on my own opinions and actually reading the original book throughly through. If you don’t like what I have to say then don’t even bother responding because I’m not gonna argue with idiots who try to invalidate my opinion and who assume I’m twisting up lies about their favorite characters just because I dislike them when it’s literal canon and reader implied semi-canon non canon facts.
Maple shades is so heart Broking. She had a rough pass. Ashfurs is quiet sad and toxic XD
I understand why Pinestar left since even though he knew about Tigerstar's future, he would never kill his own son when he was just an innocent little kit. He would have made him a good guy if he had been a good father instead of abandoning his own family to become a kittypet
Okay but, brambleclaw is sort of evil, I guess, we’ll more like abusive, but he watched his father die a horrible death, his sister moved to shadowclan and when feathertail died, I’m not supporting bramble in anyway, but I’m just saying he went through some stuff as well.
PS. His father was a serial killer, and his brother was a killer / Evil. Also I would have liked to see the authors not make bramble abusive.
Edit 2: also squirrelflight lied to him about his kits
But there is not brumbleclaw.
@@whitefur123 Yeah, but I was just pointing out that he’s evil, well in an abusive way,
And his body was taken over by ashfur so actually it was ashfur who was abusive not bramblestar more like bramblestar was overprotective
@@crystalgiddings7083 yeah, as almost finishing the broken code, I feel like people have mixed up Bramblestar being abusive when ashfur was in his body, but I scent finished reading them so there might be another time where he was abusive
I always feel bad for villains as there will always be a reason why their villains and usually it’s really sad. :(
Thistleclaw: Young sister died, Mate was hit by a car shortly after giving birth
Clear Sky isn't a villain; he just made many mistakes and he truly regretted everything he did for his clan. Greed often clouds his judgement and that caused problems between him and his family even from the other clans. He was a terrible father to Thunder, his own son and terrible brother to Gray Wing, but at least he finally made amends with them in the end. Despite what happened, he really does care about them and after Skystar moved on with Star Flower, he promised he will be a better father to his children including Thunder. Everyone deserves a second chance to be a better person
Me reading comments:
Everyone: *Aweee I feel so bad they had a reason to be evil!*
Person I found who has comment sense: They can choose to be good or bad.
Me: Lot's of the cats who are good had Trama but apparently some people call it an excuse? Like Brightheart for example; Swiftpaw died in front of her she got injuries and lost an eye, tore her ear AND got named "Lostface." Yet, shes one of the nicest cats in the book. (In the first books they kind of disappear later)
How to become evil according to warrior cats: Edgy heartbreak moment (ik that’s most Disney villains and other books but still)
By the way, Darktails mother died when he was little so he had to grow up and train by himself. But seriously poor Mapleshade and the others 😢
the way the fathers keep leaving..
My first thought at the total was immediately “ash fur will be in this”😂
i feel the worst for mapleshade. not just because she's my favorite villain but also because she lost the most, her kits and mate
And it was her own fault.
It was her fault though…
I’m glad you like her as a villain though, some people just say she’s the victim despite it being really obvious she is a bad in fact horrible person
Darktail, Scourge, Tigerstar, Hawkfrost, Clear Sky, and Ashfur all had absent fathers or had theirs die when they were young. Coincidence? I think not.
While Sol deserved better after his mother gave him away, it's his own fault that he got banished by Skyclan for kidnapping Leafstar's kits. He only has himself to blame
Nice we video edit
Scourge when he’s a a baby: Oh no tigerstar is going to kill me! When he is big: rips his stomach out
Maple shade went through so much. She should’ve never been a villain
Darktail was a lot worse than Scourge when it comes to killing and making everyone suffer because of his hatred against the clans. While his father, Onestar's decision may seem selfish, I can't imagine how his mother, Smokey able to live as a clan cat. His father's sacrifice to stop him really hits me hard as well as Needletail's. I can't believe he's also in the dark forest when he was a rogue, but I'm so glad he's now dead for good thanks to Violetwind and Needletail. This is for Onestar and Needletail!!! 💔😡
I WAS ALREADY CRYING AFTER TWO OF THEM!! 😭😭😭
i feel so bad for mapleshade :'(
imo i think clear sky was a valuable cat, he wasn’t evil, he just couldn’t find his first steps after going into a big open world
He was defo evil
@@Oogityboogity198 that’s your opinion 🤷🏼♀️
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"villains are heroes but with broken hearts".