Does Consciousness Lead to God? | Episode 912 | Closer To Truth
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- Why does the mystery of consciousness lead some to the existence of God and others to only the brain? I'd like to believe in God. Can consciousness help me? Featuring interviews with Keith Ward, Susan Blackmore, Varadaraja Raman, Paul Davies, and John Leslie.
Season 9, Episode 12 - #CloserToTruth
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#God #Consciousness
“I searched for God and found only myself. I searched for myself and found only God” Rumi
Know thyself
@@GohnwithaG Gnothi seauton
@@andybrown3016 what’s that mean?
@@GohnwithaG At the site of the ancient oracle in Greece that was written above the door. It means “know thyself” and is where the term came from
@@andybrown3016 oooh that’s how you say it in Greek...dope
A lot of open and beautiful minds. And then there is Sue the Psychologist. It's easy to spot those who are unable or unwilling to imagine something outside of there comfort zone.
Classic Sue really
I have never been in any psychologist or psychotherapist, but i have seen and talked to some of them . Believe me folks, i have always found the very abnormal and sad and in a way sick people!
“Cognitive dissidence”
This woman is totally out of touch with reality in any way
When someone begins an answer with a cackle, like Sue. it tells me more about that person and their insecurities. Demeaning others right off. is a sure sign of self doubt.
This is the most obvious thing a child can read from her responses
Yeah , that was also my reaction to her derisive response. I don't have the benefit of an academic or scholarly status that she has , but nonetheless can easily identify imperious and peremptory conceit when I see and hear it .
I came out of this whole discussion knowing that agnosticism is still the best stand
Only through personal experience one can confirm the existance of God.
(8:00) Kuhn was excellent in countering Blackmore's flippant disregard for consciousness-based theories.
She had a very affective and superficial response that smacks of intellectual laziness and intolerance. This soul is hurt!
Sue is so unsure of what she is saying that she cannot hold an argument without getting angry. When you are sure of something, there is a certain peace in your way of being, and she does not have that.
Nah, she is just reacting rationally to silly claims. They're hilarious!
Hey Daniel.... I really like your statement "When you are sure of something, there is a certain peace in your way of being." That makes me think. I don't know about Susan's position, but I feel you are correct. I think most people on CZcams approach arguments with anger or depression. Wouldn't it be great if we had that "certain peace" that you mention. John in Florida
@@GeorgieKiely Then she should present a rational argument, not just scowl with emotion when Kuhn puts serious points to her.
She wasn't angry at all.
You wouldn't be upset by her if you didn't suspect she's right.
I would say she's more condescending than angry.
This is the best channel I have ever seen on CZcams and Robert Lawrence Kuhn, the best anchor, in quest of Truth. Ironically, this channel has only 171K subscribers, out of which only 4.8K viewed this video and even worse, only 221 liked the video. The worst comes now...11 people even disliked it. Somehow I feel that the human consciousness is not headed in the right direction.. 😀 😂
Thank you so much to be curious like that! 👩🏽🚀🙈🙉
According to Hindus, consciousness is reflective. Our external world is perceived by our senses, and the information is reflected in our consciousness. This means that the external is not real, the mirror of our consciousness is only real. Our minds are also reflected in this consciousness, and our bodies. It is like a face in the mirror, the face is not real, it is a reflection. Consciousness itself is pure, but gets contracted by names and forms which we perceive as 'reality'. They say this is true in relative sense, but in absolute sense only the pure consciousness is real.
My experience says the more conscious I am , the less idiot I will be...If you explore deeply inside your core, you will become a Sage experiencing the entire universe inside you, if you explore deep outside digging into atoms, then you will be a scientist lost in the outside world knocking on the quantum field only accessible by an inner experience..
The only door the unified qunatum field opens is to one who dives into his core,singularity..every other door you open is illusive and equal to death or ignorance.
Couldnt have said it better myself !! 😀
Well said
Robert and team thank you for making this series of programs which I so enjoy. You ask the questions we all want to know and you have access to some wonderful minds
Thank you so much.
The universe evolves into a state where living beings (for example, with brains) appear that fulfill the condition for the emergent quality of consciousness in those beings to appear. They may then ask: what is all this? And, to what purpose? Well, they can learn more and more what it is, if they may survive collectively. And, they can subscribe to what purpose, while they are alive individually.
For a psychologist, Sue seems pretty damn closed-minded.
Atheism is a trap for very smart people.
Atheism does that. Atheists are just smart enough to realize there are difficult questions, but not smart enough to realize they’re incapable of answering them.
I keep thinking “what happened to this woman in her life that makes her so closed minded and so sure ....that all she feels is contempt for anyone looking for something else????“
Wth....
One word - hubris - and with Sue the hubris is strong.
Read her book "The Adventures of a Parapsychologist". She started as a firm believer in ESP and spent ten years researching parapsychology, trying to find a clear demonstration of its existence. Her scepticism is founded on that experience and is actually contrary to her original opinions.
My consciousness informs me that doing some yoga on the floor of that beautiful room in which the two gentleman are conversing would be quite an elevating experience.
Just because you liked to believe there's God shows there's something outside there that want you to believe.
Each of our individual consciousnesses are so fractured. We don’t even know what it’s like to have a “fully functioning” or unbroken awareness. There are rare cases of people having perfect memory recall though (like that actress from Taxi), but that doesn’t mean their conscious awareness isn’t fractured in other ways
Each of "us" can only be each of several billions of beings; are you suggesting that you have canvassed them all, or are you simply projecting your own experiences onto others offer you have no experience whatsoever?
Not impressed with the psychologist (Sue) laughing at the beginning of her interview about other people’s beliefs. Otherwise great video 💜
She appeared idiotic to rule out the possibilities without providing any better logic.
The joke is on her.
@@priortokaraew7569 Yes. It is.
She was angry because she didnt have an answer or couldnt form an argument. Her laughing and slandering was a defensive mechanism for her not being able to argue with that proposed theory.
Sue Blackmore made a name for herself trying to prove that consciousness is a byproduct of neuronal activity ( epiphenomenalism). This is an easy, almost lazy position to take, from the point of view of traditional science which is materialist reductionist. Large amounts of evidence from different fields are pointing to a non material reality as the reality underlying material reality. That's becoming more evident even if not clear ( in the sense that we understand it). Consider advances in the philosophy of science today - monistic idealism as in Kastrup or Goswami or Hoffman or Sheldrake. Fiercely contested, of course, by traditionalists as you would expect including widespread ad hominem attacks without attention to the fine points of the ongoing debate about the nature of Deep Reality. All this unreasonableness and lack of respectful debate is to be expected as one paradigm starts to die angrily, giving way to a better paradigm, slowly and painfully.
I am a big fan............keep it up
Great episode .. which ties a lot of the other ones together. But, that means you first must watch many of the other episodes to know why, or else have experienced the same information from elsewhere.
The intro music captures the emotion felt when thinking about why we exist in this universe, and what is the point of existence at all if death is inevitable, and the afterlife is unknown
If I were a rock I wouldn't have to wonder about God (or wonder about consciousness either).
well not really because you would be aware that you're a rock
Thats the point a rock isnt conscious @@grinlandmark8281
A good cemetery has to be included in every video of this series :)
So Called Scientist will never ever get it when they realise the ego is an illusion !! GOD IS ETERNAL CONSCIOUNESS AND YOUR A PART OF IT !! 😀
Wow thank you so much
What a great thought stimulating program..thank u for making these videos
Cant stop watching
"Which would cause consciousness?" Why does consciousness need to be caused? I believe it does not. It is uncaused, and therefore exists irrespective of time.
It could be, and that would be idealism, and would be contradictory to materialism.
Awesome stuff!
In the sense that it takes consciousness to invent a god then the answer is yes but I don’t think that’s what you’re going for here.
Another great video. God's God - czcams.com/video/ODetOE6cbbc/video.html
Pure consciousness IS God
We experience lower form of dream like consciousness because of our outward directed mind
When we turn our mind inward, and realize our true nature, we remain as pure consciousness
Learning how brains work is largely terminology. If you learn a few new words and what they correspond to, you eventually just start making guesses on how things play out. It's tremendously how the limbic system and the frontal lobes work together in moderating and interpreting behavior. Again, a few new words, then repetition and sleep start to take over.
Science: Doing the extra assignments since time immemorial.
I personally think Paul Davies made the most sense - even if he does not give an exact label to the school of thought of which his views comprise. The idea of cosmic consciousness is interesting, it's kind of like the thought of "does reality exist without an observer?", which does seem straightforward (yes, of course it does) but what evidence can you have of its existence if there is nobody present to observe it?
We were not there when the earth first formed and for billions of years after - there were no observers for billions of years after the big bang
Honestly, we are not that important
One reason scientists think why we have not come across any aliens is that is very hard for civilizations to survive to get to a stage where they can travel the galaxy
One big rock hitting us and we go the same way as the dinosaurs
or climate change might finish us off or a nuclear war
I'm ALOT like him! I'm 53 and reaserch and studying is all I Do! And I'm not about to give up my soul for some other people's believes.
No one is asking you to do so.
@@delicioso6424 Oh, but you are mistaken. There's religion out there that if you refuse to believe there story you will spend eternity in the lake of fire! And that way of thinking is pure evil on there point.
Scott Louis Smith I won’t speak about other religions. I’m a Christian, in the meaning of follower of the teachings of Jesus Christ. I don’t think/believe there’s a hell. And I truly think God exists, but not as a big grey man with beard in the skies; I think God is the ever-existing Collective Concioussnes, who has always existed and will always exist. This is what I think, in a nutshell.
Yes what’s real you can see till it is your time to see it. When you cross over you will see everything we can’t see here
@@delicioso6424 Hey Cioso.... your comments make me curious. Do you believe in an "afterlife?"
Consciousness is what causation looks like.
I agree. That was Ayn Rand's conclusion. In this view, consciousness is defined as a process. Causation/interaction itself is an act of "observation". This is born out in the quantum where particles are essentially undefined unless some interaction takes place. This solves the hard problem of consciousness by making consciousness (rudimentary causal "awareness") a fundamental principle of reality. Human consciousness would be something like recursive causation. It's simply what happens when enough microscopic causal agents are arranged in the right way. The same basic pattern of action/reaction is present in atoms all the way up to humans.
@@detached Yes, a process or function of decay.
Brian A. Nichols I think there’s a German philosopher whom Dr. Kuhn has interviewed for this show who holds a similar view. His name escapes me at the moment.
Consciousness cannot be understood thru intellect as objective. Experience inwards as subjective. All Eastern Vedic studies are such experience only....It is very very subtle and a life time tapasya is required.🌳🐢🙏
In Catholic theology, "God" (a generic term) is the name given to Ultimate Consciousness, Fundamental Force/Energy, Fundamental Value, Ultimate Reality... These are all attributes of the one eternal Creator of the universe. Bow down and worship, mortals.
In hindu philosophical Advait Vedanta the truth source of creation is you or aham brahmasmi means I am the god
@@chitranjankumarkushwaha4259 Well, we are gods (small "g"). We are all subject to the supremacy of the one true God.
Created in His image
great great episode.
The question to be asked is what is reality? And to whom? Without a conscious observer is there any meaning to saying something exists?
We all return to our source where we came from; one needs to look at the people who have experienced NDE. Some people call it God, conscious universe 🌌... We are all connected to our creator. Look at quantum entanglement, one particle here on 🌎 can have the same instant effect to another another particle in the 🌌. God bless you all and don't forget that our actions here on 🌎 are being projected to the universe 🌌
Well said !
Consciousness IS God
My everyday topic 😂 also pls have less ads :p
there may be different levels of consciousness. On the experiment with the twin slit of particles hitting with random distribution unless observed by a consciou being/agent, it seems that the particles have observed that an observer was observing them and thus align themselves according to the consciousness that is observing inclination. How those particles knew what the observer's inclination was is another question. So, here was an example of a possible consciousness on a particle made up of just one electron making a decision or reaction based on whether there was an observer or not. The whole universe/s is made up of these very same particles and thus conscious as well? We have now found out that our brain makes a decision even before we make ours and this makes free will a big conundrum. It does look like consciousness as well see it is determined somewhere else different from our own deciding mind. Here we can surmise that our consciousness is separate from our brain. Perhaps our consciouness is but a part of the big consciousness field where we get bits and pieces depending on our tendencies.
"our brain makes a decision even before we make ours" er, what? we make ours? Who is this we? Isn't that our brain? There is a delay in the brain making the decision and our being AWARE of it - comes from our primitive ancestors where quick reaction to a well-camouflaged lion or tiger, without putting much thought into it - helped save us
"our consciousness is separate from our brain" And this consciousness dies as soon as we die?
Exactly how many times did you yourself - yes*you*carry out this particular experiment with slits?
Yeah, right.
It's certainly plausible that conscience brought rise to more conscience, and I'd say it's more probable that consciousness comes from the animate vs the inanimate
And how did that animate get its consciousness?
Consciousness creates matter? There's an awareness even in electrons and photons telling them what to do next?
@@twinsoultarot473 Scientists infer the existence and behavior of electrons through indirect methods. They have never actually seen one regardless of how they tricked you.
Light is God and light is consciousness. Jesus is the sun in our solar system creating light and is our only way to God. Light makes the plants grow and everything live and is the reason that we are all here. Light is consciously creating life as we know it and light is doing it consciously.
A great deep conversation!! Mind blowing! Definitely a topic I can't get enough of a never ending interest at my deepest levels. ❤💯
Krishna says in the Bhagavid-gita: " I am the consciousness of all living entities." and since consciousness is a love energy the statement basically means " by it's nature the self has love of the Godhead" being that God is the consciousness of our consciousness we are never divorced from God we just have to revive our God consciousness by the practice of yoga ( transcendental meditation ) and devotional service. Being that we can revive our God consciousness we as consciousness are finite representations of God. This is the mystic perspective on consciousness.
अहम् ब्रह्मास्मि तत्वमसि namaste
Although it's not proven, I don't have any doubt that consciousness (subjective or otherwise) is emergent from the most complex information network we know of in the universe, the human brain.. We don't survive death, rather we simply cease to exist upon bodily death. If one believes otherwise, then their explanation must include how their belief conforms with the 2nd law of thermodynamics or an admission that their belief in a designer falls within the category of the metaphysical, not science
Reality inspires consciousness.
Consciousness inspires reality.
Quran 41:53 We will soon show them Our signs in the Universe and in their own souls, until it will become quite clear to them that it is the truth. Is it not sufficient as regards your Lord that He is a witness over all things?
Only through personal experience one can confirm the existance of God.
I believe that once you stipulate that there are non-physical realities, such as an idea or a law of the universe, you have crossed a threshold that must allow for other non-physical realities such as god or cosmic consciousness. I ask myself could it be possible that all of existence has no meaning and always the answer is no. But the concept of meaning itself is a non-physical reality that we recognize. So I am left with a strong intuition that there is something greater to be discovered but have no idea how to define it.
And just one wayward rock hitting us and we go the same way as the dinosaurs - we are not that important
Can you answer what consciousness is from within consciousness?
Since it is consciousness asking the question the answer is within the question.
@Stefano Portoghesi Interesting, thanks, I still find it unusual how humans exceed what is necessary, in intelligence and consciousness.
Did you see the interview whereby the notion that all matter has consciousness, of a sort, otherwise ours wouldnt exist either?
@Stefano Portoghesi okay, heres some more reading on the subject you may find of interest :)
With the reality that all matter is energy vibrating at different frequencies, it is reasonable to say that all matter has consciousness in its unique way, since all matter comes from the same source and is comprised at its basics level of the same building blocks.
www.scientificamerican.com/article/does-consciousness-pervade-the-universe/
www.sciencealert.com/consciousness-could-all-come-down-to-the-way-things-vibrate
Bravo
VV Raman is echoing one of the interpretations of the thought contained in the Vedanta philosophy which seems to point at a kind of absolute monism where consciousness is all that exists. Even matter is only consciousness in this view; and no, there is no God in the sense of a supreme conscious personality, only a (personality-less) consciousness that is devoid of all attributes. This view which is often presented as the dominant Hindu view regarding reality I consider to be a misinterpretation.
In reality, Hindu philosophy, the best glimpse of which is obtained in texts such as the Bhagavad Gita, talks about two ontological categories with essential characteristics that are mutually exclusive :
1. Prakrti (primordial matter): unconscious, dead substance.
2. Purusa (conscious personality).
The distinction between these two entities is fundamental and persists eternally.
God is the supreme purusa, the supremely conscious pure personality that brings prakrti and purusa together. Therefore, once the investigator discovers matter and once he discovers (individual) consciousness within the material body, then the existence of God is inferred, as the supreme principle that binds together these two entities.
We think, therefore god ?
That once you reach a certain level of awareness. It's bingo there must be a god. And not just any god. It must their version.
The universe is creating temporary order out of the chaos. But that will pass.
The universe is on its own path. Separate from us.
Even universal consciousness doesn't make any sense. Creating more gaps to stuff a god into, but no answers that say a god is there at all.
@@thomasridley8675 I didn't say that ("we think, therefore God"). Mere thinking does not do it. It is the bringing together of two disparate entities of purusa (conscious personality) and prakrti (unconscious matter) in the microcosmic context, the sophisticated inter-wiring of the (transcendental) mind of the conscious personality with the (material) brain (mind-organ).
I think Hindu tradition makes distinction between two levels of thinking; one is way of elite thinkers (represented in upanishads which talk about an impersonal cosmic mind that can be known through meditation)....and the other of ordinary public (represented in Gita and other scriptures that shapes all the personal deity worship/ritual stuff).
@@irfanmehmud63 Although that might appear to be so, the fact is--and this is my impression after going through representative samples of the primary texts--that Hinduism is not ultimately monistic as is made out to be. Like in every religion, the truth of the primary text has been misinterpreted here also. The reality is there is no dichotomy between elite and popular. The primary texts all point to the supremely conscious personality and suggest his adoration.
@@Arunava_Gupta
Oh sweet Jesus !! An empty box has no value.
Too many humans are suckers for a good story. Our ability to create fantastic stories to fill gaps in our knowledge is legendary. We have hundreds, all certain that theirs is the real deal. We have found the real god. Again and again and again until the end of time.
‘Closer to Truth’ presents a skeptic’s philosophical journey by way of Zeno’s Paradox - you can make progress towards your goal of understanding reality, but will never truly arrive there. That’s not meant as a criticism. I love this show.
During Zeno's journey, he becomes super conscious and self aware and therefore no longer needs to 'get there'.
I found better version of a problem, what if object became half size smaller with each new step, distance to destination will increase to infinity.
The thing that is really stupid about this channel is that "Closer To Douche" doesn't follow a progression towards truth. It would be like learning calculus, then basic algebra, then physics, then basic division,...
He has already interviewed and gotten as close to truth as he's going to get, yet he continues to jump around talking to idiots and fools
@@TasteMyStinkholeAndLikeIt If you keep looking and find the truth is not there, eventually there will only one place left to look and you know what you'll find there.
@@TasteMyStinkholeAndLikeIt It's in their best interests never to arrive too close to truth... It's like cancer foundations where it is in their best interests never to arrive too close to cancer cure...
Regarding fools and idiots interviewed, its a big part of the show. They come up with "what if", which means some idea popped into their head and they pursue it as if it were the unification of quantum mechanics and relativity... and the naive admire them as if they were Einstein... The show provides what people want to hear and not truth most don't want to hear...
One thing we all share is awareness. We are all aware....at death our awareness ceases....based on the dissolution of the senses.
You got it Robert:
the probability consciousness will have emerged with a God compared to the extent that possibility is reduced without him is the conceptual key. But it goes beyond probability and enters necessity: a universe created by Mind of necessity must disclose minds.
Consciousness is life inside the bothy, consciousness exit out side the bothy, consciousness is everywhere in the universe, and consciousness is the creator. In this life and the next one stay en the light.
How can it be that consciousness is an illusion?
consciousness defines an illusion, if an illusion defines consciousness then the illusion would also have to be consciousness.
The experience of illusion requires consciousness. Consciousness is fundamental; one cannot get behind consciousness.
@@suncat9 I absolutely agree.
Consciousness is an illusion in the way as watching a movie is an illusion.
According to Vedas the God is Sat, Chit , and Ananda swarupa which means it is absolute knowledge , absolute consiosnes and absolute bliss.
What if you had a dream, and what if in that dream you found this beautiful flower, and what if when you woke up that flower was next to you on your pillow...
What if it's not all about us.
Peace I share with you.
Interesting, I had a dream about the French emperor Napoleon and when I woke up in the morning I opened up the CZcams app and there it was an article about him, crazy . Also from time to time I experienced the sense of already been there and done that, is hard to explain like already lived that experience already
God’s consciousness leads to us
Dec 2017....2 weeks before my dad died....he dreamed he died...and was aware...he had died. He said he wasn't scared....just that he was aware. So explain that!...
Spirit is the essence of consciousness, the energy of the Universe that creates all things.
Each one of us is a part of that Spirit Energy - a Divine Entity. So the Spirit is the Higher Self, the Eternal Being that lives within us.
Form is the physical world: body, mind, personality. We as spiritual beings created the physical world as a place to learn. We're here to learn how to master the process of creation - to learn how to consciously channel the creative energy of spirit into physical form.
HOW CONSCIOUNESS CREATES REALITY?
If God is Reality
And if Reality Is Consciousness
Then God Is Consciousness
I Think therefore I Am God Consciousness
The whole universe is one reality which is pure consciousness.
Pure consciousness is absolute existence.
God makes things through the direct act of becoming the things which He creates. In the beginning the One differentiated into the many. The One entered into the many and became the Self of each. The being within everything is the One. When you merge with this nonlocal Self, you become one with the Self of all that exists. The One is the Higher Self of all. You are the One.
The God Spirit In Me Is The Same God Spirit In You, And The Spirit Of All Beings. Enlightenment Is The realization That You Are All Part Of The Universal Spirit Of All That Exists, Which Is GOD.
Each of us is the universal spirit projecting a particular point of view.
My Self is inseparable from all that exists, just as your self is inseparable from all that exists.
You are an aspect of Infinite Intelligence, and Infinite Intelligence is the source of all that exists. Therefore you are the source of all that exists and you create your own experience. Everything is possible because everything exists within you. The same unbounded potential of the Infinite Spirit also resides in each and every one of us.
Everything in the universe is consciousness. Space and time in all planes of reality are only projections within universal consciousness. There really is no here or there for everything is at one place where Mind is. Mind does not move at all. Mind simply is (Not to be confused with the brain). Mind is everywhere yet nowhere. Mind is nowhere but Here, Now. We are all existing together as a singularity in one place and time. Everything is one, Here and Now.
Your soul is the reflection of all souls. You are the Other. Without the other, you would not exist. You are defined by your relationships with others. You would need to describe the whole universe in order to define a single person. Therefore every single person is the whole universe. Your soul is both personal and universal at the same time. Everyone is a reflection of yourself. You are in a hall of mirrors where every reflection of yourself appears different. Others you admire reflect the qualities you most cherish in yourself. Others you detest reflect the qualities you most deny in yourself. Each person you see is a different version of you.
The outer world is a mirror of yourself at any place and time. If you want to know the state of your personal consciousness, just look around and see what is happening to you. If you want to know the state of the collective consciousness, just look around at what is happening in the world. Your personal reality is synchronistically orchestrated by your sense of Self at all times. If a critical mass of people expressed their higher selves, they would cause a transformation in collective consciousness and the world reality. Every time a person rises in personal consciousness, he moves the state of the world towards a higher one than before.
TRANSCENDENT WORLD: You are comfortable here when you can experience all possibilities. Your awareness is open. You are connected to the source. Your consciousness is merged with the mind of God.
SUBTLE WORLD: You are comfortable here when you can hold on to your vision. You trust yourself to follow where the mind goes. You aren't bound up in resistance, objections, skepticism, and rigid beliefs. Inspiration occurs as a normal part of your existence.
MATERIAL WORLD: You are comfortable with your personal reality. You take responsibility for it. You read the world as a reflection of who you are and what is happening "in here." As the reflection shifts and changes, you track the changes occurring inside yourself.
If a white man was created by God,
And if a black man was created by God,
Black and white men are equal before God.
If God is reality,
And if reality is consciousness,
Then God is consciousness
The Need to Create, Discover, and Explore.
God becomes a creative source. He gave us our birthright of curiosity. He remains unknowable, but he unfolds one secret after another in creation. At the far edge of the universe, the unknown is a challenge and a source of wonder. God wants us not to worship but to evolve. Our role is to discover and explore. Nature exists to provide endless mysteries that challenge our intelligence - there is always more to discover.
This is your God if you live to explore and be creative, if you feel happiest confronting the unknown, if you have total confidence that nature can be unraveled, including human nature, as long as we keep questioning and never settle for fixed, preordained truth.
God becomes pure wonder. After reason has reached the limits of understanding, the mystery remains. Sages, saints, and the divinely inspired have penetrated it. They have felt a divine presence that transcends everyday life. Materialism is an illusion. Creation was fashioned in two layers, the visible and the invisible. Miracles become real when everything is a miracle. To reach God, one must accept the reality of invisible things. Nature is a mask for the divine.
This is your God if you are a spiritual seeker. You want to know what lies behind the mask of materialism, to find the source of healing, to experience peace, and to be in direct contact with a divine presence.
Unity, the State Beyond All Needs.
God becomes One. There is complete fulfillment because you have reached the goal of seeking. You experience the divine everywhere. The last hint of separation has vanished. You have no need to divide saint from sinner, because God imbues everything. In this state, you don't know the truth; you become it. The universe and every event in it are expressions of a single underlying Being, which is pure awareness, pure intelligence, and pure creativity. Nature is the outward form that consciousness takes as it unfolds in time and space.
This is your God if you feel totally connected to your soul and your source. Your consciousness has expanded to embrace a cosmic perspective. You see everything happening in the mind of God. The ecstasy of great mystics, who seem especially gifted or chosen, now becomes available to you, because you have fully matured spiritually.
The God that brings the scheme to an end, God as One, is different from the others. He isn't a projection. He signifies a state of total certainty and wonder, and if you reach that state, you are no longer projecting. Every need has been fulfilled; the path has ended with reality itself.
Conscious is not an illusion. They say these things because it doesn’t fit into their pure naturalist models. It is as real as gravity
Anthony Cortes really? Who says? Without gravity life as we know wouldn’t be possible. Look into it
Me believing in God is “closer to truth”
Sue the psychologist reminds me of the mom from the original Roseanne sitcom.
Even within the scientific community, there are all but endless ways to interpret data. We forget that even the interpretation of fact occurs via predisposition...a model, which we have been taught. So why believe or don't belive in anything because of 'data?' Really, I'm not suggesting throwing the baby out with the bathwater. What I'm saying is that to truly know, one must be able to interpret the data themselves, because someone's interpretation of the data is not the data itself.
It's funny how she says the God hypothesis is "We give up" yet she still holds faith in that the universe is all by blind chance. 🤔
I wonder what properties blind chance consists of 🤔
anyone have a clue what that music playing in the background of the intro is?
My chemo-brain ( can I call it "chemo-consciousness?) seems to increase my indecisiveness. I'd like to find the correlation between faith, feelings and reasoning.
there is no correlation faith is used like words such as "kleenex" or "coke". faith as a concept has no real value its a security blanket for those trying to protect beliefs they can't justify.
@@redpillpusher Hey ian... thanks for the reply. I find your views interesting and they make me think. You say there is no correlation between faith and feelings and reasoning. But I think it depends on how you define "faith." If faith is indeed just a "security blanket ( like the one Linus carries in PEANUTS?), then of course there is no correlation ( well it might give you a "good" feeling ).
And if the word "faith" is used "like words such as 'kleenex' or 'coke', then the word equates to the commercial definition of "satisfy a sneeze" or "delicious and refreshing" ( with "no real value" as you said).
By the way, if I can't "justify" a belief, I don't want to protect it. So the "security" in "security blanket" needs to come out in the wash! John in Florida
@@johnbrzykcy3076 I admit I was being somewhat glib but yes you are correct "faith" does need to be defined by the individual employing the word. what I have found is when I have spoken with ppl about what they mean they almost always circle around to words like trust and confidence. but then how does one usually build trust and confidence ...via empirical evidence as there is no other way. And what I meant by security blanket is when pushed on how to justify their belief without sufficient evidence they fall back on faith. which is why I deem it as a valueless concept. it's this word that basically says I'll will continue to belief what I want to believe with no real supporting evidence.
@@redpillpusher I think I understand your views but I wasn't sure what you were getting at when you mentioned "kleenex" and "coke." Actually most people do correlate faith with trust and/or confidence. I like your statement "but then how does one usually build trust and confidence..." I'm wondering if the Biblical sense of faith means more that those words or even something different.
@@redpillpusher Ooops.. I could not read the rest of your comment so I have to continue here... Anyhow... anyone who says "I will continue to believe what I want to believe with no real supporting evidence" doesn't allow the other person or persons any options. The conversation basically must end there.
I hope there is value in the concept of faith. I struggle to find the correlation for faith, feelings and reasoning.
Yes it does lead you to God and that is where you find ESP. It’s that simple. ESP is God consciousness.
What if consciousness is God?
does consciousness lead to god ? . yes.
The Hindu position seems to be a form of panentheism whereby the maker is within and out with the universe so transcending pure pantheism.
After doing all series on tough questions about reality, consciousness and cosmos, I would love to pose this question to Kuhn. What answer is most coherent, consistent and comprehensive? Would God be his only answer? We should have a series on Kuhn himself to get his most honest reply.
Native tribes of the world have been giving thanks to their creator long before any white man brought the bible to their lands
Consciousness is nothing but higher self that transcends the animal instincts of man. Man will be accountable for his action due to the presence of consciousness.
I regard consciousness as fundamental. I regard matter as derivative from consciousness. We cannot get behind consciousness. Everything that we talk about, everything that we regard as existing, postulates consciousness.
All matter originates and exists only by virtue of a force… We must assume behind this force the existence of a conscious and intelligent Mind. This Mind is the matrix of all matter.
I wonder if you understand that when you use the term "we" you are referring to the user of the term - that is*you*and his immediate interlocutor, and since you have no immediate interlocutor you are effectively whenever you say "we, saying "I; you are saying that you yourself cannot as you put it "get behind", whatever you mean by "consciousness.
Is it not apparent to you that a mirror cannot reflect itself?
Why are you creatures so terrified of the perpendicular pronoun or "I" that you must hide behind some fanciful and imaginary "we"?
Self-evidently you can experience nothing of the experiences of others because if you could, every time they had a headache you would have a headache, and since that is not the case, it follows the night the day that you cannot experience the experiences of others, so your famous "we" can only be fanciful.
I guess all of those centuries of non-conscious life didn't happen in your imaginary world?
I've got food on my table, which proves God loves me.
I've got a pain in my leg, which proves God hates me.
I wish he'd make up his mind.
I am a little simple minded and straight to the point. To me, consiousness leads to the fear of death wich leads to a search for a way to calm the anxiety, a God is as good as hoping for science to find a way to be immortal.
Consciousness is due to network of neurones in the brain just like circuits in TV or radios. When these circuits are accurate we are conscious of surrounding because our senses or our brain energy connects with energy surrounding every where. When these circuits are disturbed the conscious level is disturbed and with extreme disturbance we become unconscious. The same way when circuits in TV or radio are disturbed they don't give sound or picture. If disturbance is too much these devices become dead. This a simplified way to explain consciousness. Relation to God can also be explained. Go is not a human being or any creature we can imagine but it is either collective energy present every where or it is behind that energy in some form which at this stage we don't know. All that energy around us or in universe according to string theory is in fact appear as matter as well as energy alternatively. So all he matter which we see is in fact energy in different form. God has left he universe to run by that energy which may be dark energy in a systematic way. Every hing in universe is interconnected. Every thing in universe has part of ha energy and when some one is conscious he can utilise his energy to mobilise surrounding energy in his favour that is called force of mind or Yogga or in islam prayers. This is all matter of focusing your energy to mobilise surrounding energy which normally may be in you favour or some time against. That is why some time things happen to harm you and some time in your favour but if you focus your energy or consciousness you can mobilise those forces in your favour to the extent you do effort.
Answer that question ... your theatrics are easily dismissive. Give us a thought...
He talked to a lot of people.. how come you think he has any "answer"?
Join Subud, have an experience you can't deny.
What? Why would a natural phenomenon be proof of an omnipotent being? Is rain, wind, and lightning proof too?
What would be proof according to you?
Imagination - Process of Pure Creation
The process of creation starts with thought
- an idea, conception, visualization. Everything you see was once someone's idea. Nothing exists in your world that did not first exist as pure thought.
This is true of the universe as well.
Thought is the first level of creation.
Next comes the word. Everything you say is a thought expressed. It is creative and sends forth creative energy into the universe. Words are more dynamic (thus, some might say more creative) than thought, because words are a different level of vibration from thought. They disrupt (change, alter, affect) the universe with greater impact.
Words are the second level of creation.
Next comes action.
Actions are words moving. Words are thoughts expressed. Thoughts are ideas formed. Ideas are energies come together. Energies are forces released. Forces are elements existent. Elements are particles of God, portions of ALL, the stuff of everything.
The beginning is God. The end is action. Action is God creating - or God experienced.
Hang on. There's one thing more I have to tell you. You are always seeing what by your terms you would define as the "past," even when you are looking at what is right in front of you.
I am?
It is impossible to see The Present. The Present "happens," then turns into a burst of light, formed by energy dispersing, and that light reaches your receptors, your eyes, and it takes time for it to do that.
All the while the light is reaching you, life is going on, moving forward. The next event is happening while the light from the last event is reaching you.
The energy burst reaches your eyes, your receptors send that signal to your brain, which interprets the data and tells you what you are seeing. Yet that is not what is now in front of you at all. It is what you think you are seeing. That is, you are thinking about what you have seen, telling yourself what it is, and deciding what you are going to call it, while what is happening "now" is preceding your process, and awaiting it.
To put this simply, I am always one step ahead of you.
My God, this is unbelievable.
Now listen. The more distance you place between your Self and the physical location of any event, the further into the "past" that event recedes. Place yourself a few light-years back, and what you are looking at happened very, very long ago, indeed.
Yet it did not happen "long ago." It is merely physical distance which has created the illusion of "time," and allowed you to experience your Self as being both "here, now" all the while you are being "there, then"!
One day you will see that what you call time and space are the same thing.
Then you will see that everything is happening right here, right now.
This is....this is....wild. I mean, I don't know what to make of all this.
When you understand what I have told you, you will understand that nothing you see is real. You are seeing the image of what was once an event, yet even that image, that energy burst, is something you are interpreting. Your personal interpretation of that image is called your image-ination.
And you can use your imagination to create anything. Because - and here is the greatest secret of all - your image-ination works both ways.
Please?
You not only interpret energy, you create it. Imagination is a function of your mind, which is one-third of your three-part being. In your mind you image something, and it begins to take physical form. The longer you image it (and the more OF you who image it), the more physical that form becomes, until the increasing energy you have given it literally bursts into light, flashing an image of itself into what you call your reality.
You then "see" the image, and once again decide what it is. Thus, the cycle continues. This is what I have called The Process.
This is what YOU ARE. You ARE this Process.
This is what I have meant when I have said, you are both the Creator and the Created.
I have now brought it all together for you. We are concluding this dialogue, and I have explained to you the mechanics of the universe, the secret of all life.
Okay.
Now as energy coalesced, it becomes, as I said, very concentrated. But the further one moves from the point of this concentration, the more dissipated the energy becomes. The "air becomes thinner." The aura fades. The energy never completely disappears, because it cannot. It is the stuff of which everything is made. It's All There Is. Yet it can become very, very thin, very subtle - almost "not there."
Then, in another place (read that, another part of Itself) it can again coalesce, once more "clumping together" to form what you call matter, and what "looks like" a discreet unit. Now the two units appear separate from each other, and in truth there is no separation at all.
This is, in very, very simple and elementary terms, the explanation behind the whole physical universe.
Wow. But can it be true? How do I know I haven't just made this all up?
Your scientists are already discovering that the building blocks of all of life are the same.
They brought back rocks from the moon and found the same stuff they find in trees. They take apart a tree and find the same stuff they find in you.
I tell you this: We are all the same stuff. (I and the Father are One Energy)
We are the same energy, coalesced, compressed in different ways to create different forms and different matter.
Nothing "matters" in and of itself. That is, nothing can become matter all by itself. Jesus said, "Without the Father, I am nothing." The Father of all is pure thought. This is the energy of life. This is what you have chosen to call Absolute Love.
This is the God and the Goddess, the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End. It is the All-in-All, the Unmoved Mover, the Prime Source. It is that which you have sought to understand from the beginning of time. The Great Mystery, the Endless Enigma, the Eternal Truth.
There is only One of Us, and so, it is THAT WHICH YOU ARE.
The blending or raising of one's consciousness involves the shearing away of ego-identity., meaning that only the essence of refined awareness is uploaded when joined with "god."
That's why sleep is the perfect metaphor., when asleep most individuals remain oblivious to their identity while their life still carries on.
If you ever get to that next level free of Karmic* birth there's still a long way to go before complete absorption.
* there is no good or evil karma only weak and powerful and the powerful has nothing to do with the human interpretation of that word
How do you know when is karma and when you became a victim of some social or even government conspiracy? Somebody might plot against a person in secret, but when accident happens, people will say it got to be something bad he has done in the past, not knowing it wasn't accident but a deliberate and brutal attack.
Karma and totalitarian regime always go hand in hand.
Yes.., consciousness does create/god., "our" consciousnesses., at least those that make it through.
"God's" already been conceived and "we" are what is helping it put itself back together again so to speak., unlike Humpty Dumpty.
I personally view it as "we" or all of consciousness broken up throughout individual threads of light-essence, working its way up through the life stages of mineral, vegetable and animal.
I came to these conclusions based off experiences I've had not only within my own being, but with family and friends.
Seeing something no other has ever described leaving my father's chest seconds after his final breath along with my experiences tells me "we" are not these bodies, nor their genders, families or cultures.
All life has consciousness comprised of the same material which inhabits a cage that allows it to interface with these bodies to animate their lives.
"He" is now his own great-grandson and that is speaking only of one unique experience among many.
Of course only recently have I discovered the Upanishads and Vedas., but since I try not to corrupt or influence my own contemplative style, I've exposed myself to very little of it.
I see science and religion as the blind children of philosophy.
If you start questioning existence within yourself while speaking of past lives since age 5., you might be not like the others., even though every character/awareness is unique.
So., "we" are all prisoners born of "god's" conception.
Which leaves me to ask.,
Who are I parents?
(Grammatical error intended also rhetorical)
"when asleep most individuals remain oblivious to their identity while their life still carries on."
Wow. What is your source for that? When I (and the admittedly biased sample of friends I talk with) have dreams they can recall, it typically involves things that they believe they are experiencing in a world external to themselves.
@@stanleyklein524 First it's a metaphor., also I've met a lot of individuals who don't remember dreaming and a few might become excited to remember one that may have taken place in Technicolor.
My awareness is ongoing., not only in sleep but in-between lives.
But there's not a lot of others who can look at life for what it really is.,
School.
But it's a school that not only houses both infants and professors* but all of those in-between.
When the majority of human flesh on this planet is animated by experienced souls, paradise is formed and then when the majority of those souls** have matured within., it's kind of like what we have now.
Everything is cyclical and time is but a byproduct of nature and used as a tool for navigating this reality through "our" ability to interact with it, dressed as "we" are.
* infants and professors, another metaphor demonstrating the differences between nascency and wisdom, also being an actual professor in the human reality means squat. Some individuals are beyond the "learned" having acquired knowledge beyond the scope of academia.
** the awarenesses within
Please, dear psychologist Ms. Sue, consciousness is no more a mystery as you think. There is a lot of things we don't know, it is true, but consciousness is no more a mystery. Please!
Every single moment the heart pumps the blood to the brain, the mind concocts consciousness which harbors the will and makes a representation of the world to the individual. In the will we have desire governed by reason. In the representation we have memories.
Consciousness is a function of the frequency of the fields over the heart, the cardiac output, and the entropy. Any individual who lacks one of these three things will lose consciousness. When your heart enters into fibrillation, you have a cardiac arrest and you lose consciousness and die. If the volume of the blood decrease, you faint and if the entropy steps out of its limits, you lose consciousness (sleep).
Consciousness is fundamental. And we have three levels of consciousness available. The higher consciousness, what we call God emanates from the immaterial realm and permeates and pervades everything in the material realm. In humans, the higher consciousness is manifested as medium consciousness. Everything below humans is lower consciousness.
And consciousness is as discrete and continuous as light is particles and waves. It comes to us discrete but expresses itself continuously.
The consciousness argument lacks internal consistency. While a beagle, poodle, and hound dog all salivate when a bell rings before a can of dog food is opened, they do not debate the existence of God.
Consciousness is infinite.
Nothing leads to God because everything is within it.
inner awareness is totally natural. There is no mystery to consciousness. and it ends with brain death.
There is only consciousness. ONLY ONE CONSCIOUSNESS.
Observing a moving car on the road we may conclude that the car is conscious. The car seem conscious in avoiding any accidents, conscious in staying on the foad, conscious in observing the road signs, conscious in where it going. Who is making the car seems to be conscious? THE DRIVER. If the driver leaves the the car, the car may still be 'alived' but UNCONSCIOUS. Thus when we are asleep, we are still alive but temperorily unconscious. We die in our sleep if our 'consciousness' fail to return to our body. Our consciousness is our 'soul' and is deteched from our body. When we die our body rot and return to the soil but our soul live on with a new body in a new dimension.
I like scientists that despite their beliefs/proves/experiences/etc remain humble, and acknowledge their limits and the limits of science, I repeat despite their beliefs, etc...Sue Blackmore is not one of them, I have heard her also in other podcasts/documentaries and she "knows" always better...like Richard Dawkins and many others. For example, Paul Davies, often a guest on this series, is a humble scientist that acknowledge limitations...
Cosmic consciousness seems closer to truth.
A lot of people are not too sensitive to the issue that materialism and deconstruction...all of science...is based on reason, but reason seems to be without foundations. Immanuel Kant explored the lack of foundations for reason in "Critique of Pure Reason". Noting that Kant had raised a good point efforts were made by others to find some foundations. Betrand Russell, with evolution in mind, was able to show that all, or at least most maths, could be founded on some simple mental operations, simple enough that they might not have needed much to evolve. For instance "add 1 and then do that again and again" gets all the whole numbers and a whole lot more and then a relatively simple mental ability to make sets gets you even more.
However it was F. Nietzsche, following on Kant, who suspected that if reason is based on simple mental abilities that were evolved then there's not reason to think them accurate in any capital T Truth sense, it's merely pragmatic and could very likely be far from a capital T Truth if any such Truth existed.
Going back to Kant, he made the assertion that our minds, in pursuing maths and science, show us how our brain is already wired and we fit all observations into that cuz we have no choice but to. Unless by some really freakish chance our brains/minds are wired to get things right, or Truth with a capital T, we are permanently groping in the dark, maybe getting some things right and some things wrong which we think are right. Moving ahead to Neitzsche he likened scientific inquiry to a blind man firing a shotgun into the air when he hears some birds, occasionally shooting one, and then declaring he's right.
@@lvr8429 Hi! Well, I think I'm pretty much up to date on science. Kant claimed, and I find his claim compelling, that our mind does not reveal anything about the natural world that it's design does not allow and in thinking and studying the natural world we only discover how the mind is designed. That does not suggest we should give up or anything like that but it should introduce some humility.
@@lvr8429 You might consider that since anything Ai will be programmed by humans it will not have the ability to think anything non-human.
God gives meaning to reality.
How?
God's free will sovereignty
Ok only 48 seconds in I see a problem
Running isn’t caused entirely by the legs..
Exactly. The point he's making is, similarly, consciousness isn't caused entirely by the brain
@@awasthy
Give me a break. Trying give the fact that you can function a spiritual origin is just stupid.
Still looking for the soul or a god connection that isn't there.
@@thomasridley8675 your idea of religion is very Christian my friend... My idea of spirituality is of unity... The I, the ego is an illusion.. the separation is an illusion.
@@thomasridley8675 read the great Quantum Physicist Schrodinger's comments on consciousness
@@awasthy
For an illusion. Ego has done a lot of damage over the generations.
I have too agree on the idea that mind, body and consciousness are one entity. That can't be separated into parts that would continue to function.