$500 in Materials to make a $6000 Table
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- čas přidán 30. 06. 2020
- I used $500 worth of materials to make a table I sold for $6000. I don’t do a lot of woodworking or making commissions but I thought this would be a useful case study to demonstrate how a little bit of design thinking can add value. In my discussions with the client I discovered that prices for store bought tables jump dramatically once the tables get to be over 9-feet in length. This DIY dining table for 10 requires a well rounded maker skill set but nothing beyond an intermediate level of ability of welding and woodworking.
All of the tools I used can be purchased for less than $1000.
I primed the steel table legs with Rust-oleum Rusty Metal Primer and painted them with Rust-oleum Protective Enamel in Gloss White.
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For a 6k table I would have gone with solid maple not plywood but the legs are pretty sweet not gonna lie
They would have been nice if they were powder coated instead of sprayed with a rattle can.
That’s because you are a craftsman and artisan. He is a businessman.
If you watch the video he explains why he didn’t.
Plywood is pretty popular in modern furniture
I think he meant $600 table. Didn't even bother with edge banding... And there's visible seams between plywood??
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Am I the only one who kept thinking, “someone paid 6000 bucks for this?”
More like 800
At that price I was surprised it wasn't solid wood.
Yeah it was overpriced.
@@breandanh4912 $5500 for the time, money, equipment and skills.... for the money??? What the heck does that mean, you charge the client for the money? He included the cost of materials into the price, he said the materials cost $500, the final price was $6000, so you're adding a second charge for the cost of the materials in the $5500, as for the equipment, we watched the video, he used scraps for templates and the rest of the tools are pretty common inexpensive tools, angle grinder, circular saw, sawzall, etc. The only equipment that would be consider expensive would be his welding equipment - in the end I'm happy that he found a client that would pay this much for the table but it's not a $6000 table, none of what you you mentioned accounts for that type of markup, he was just lucky enough to find some rich people that don't have a concept of how much things cost and are willing to throw crazy amounts of money at whatever it is they need - we should all be that lucky :)
rfcilia do would you say that the prices on the websites he was talking about are overpriced to? There is such a thing as creator value which is what makes a client buy a more expensive at this guys place rather than a 4000 one at one of those stores. This guy came up with the design, thought about its’ life cycle and took into account the clients situation. Maybe 6000$ was excessive for the materials, but judging from what he was showing as the standard competition prices, he made it within the standard. (I don’t know the market price for large tables sorry)
"The wood putty did match it pretty good". Wood putty in a $6000 table? I guess there's a sucker born every minute.
john weber bro you’ve clearly never seen fine furniture. The goal is to create a beautiful piece, something without flaws(supposedly). The gap created would’ve been an eyesore, so you just find a way to cover it up. It all comes down to the craftsman- will they sell anything they make for the highest price they can, or do they feel an obligation to only sell it for what they humbly believe it’s worth. The price of this table is in the base and one-of-a-kind handcrafted element. If you think you can do better I highly suggest you try it. This world needs more people who work with their hands.
Its really not that much money to go to a wood shop and get a 9x5 slab of pine or some other cheap wood that would be finer quality and you could even do a live edge which is super popular right now... and not filled with wood glue and putty that puts weak points throughout the table
@@caleighjohnson5543 I'm a designer/maker/carpenter and I would never have the cheek or stoop so low as to charge 6k for this piece of slapped-together crap - he didn't bother to cut his steel 'stretchers' between to length and create smooth joints.. nor pull his 4 top pieces of ply together tightly.. as others have said, for 6k you should expect a solid timber slab.. hack crap for a fool of a client..
So this is how you made it, I want my money back!
I really love the design of the table. To be honest unlike alot of the folks commenting I have no issues with the price. I do however feel like if you have a client dropping good money like that you do owe it to them to spend a lot of time getting the details done correctly, and in my humble opinion I would never show a client a table with sloppy joints like that. It's good your clients didnt mind.
I dont ask people to be my clients and accept commissions on my own terms. I make it very clear that i am not a professional woodworker and that they are paying for my time. The client has seen these comments and is happy with the table and wants me to build more furniture. i will try to get them on camera in the future. I dont owe anyone anything other than what i promised at the beginning of the commission.
@@HomeMadeModern Your a good Carpenter man. My main point was if your making furniture at this level why not slow things down a bit and spend a little extra money on some decent tools that will allow you to do things properly and give you super accurate seams and cuts. I enjoy your stuff I think your a super talented designer try not to take the criticism to personal.
how can you not have a problem with the price
@Dorian Gray yeah i get that. things are worth what people pay for them. but if i had 50 million dollars i still wouldn't buy that table. it is made of cheap materials and doesn't look nice.
www.etsy.com/listing/624551775/river-table-dining-tables
check what you can get for half the price
@@HomeMadeModern "You are commissioning a $6k table to a designer with little skils in woodworking and welding, warned you are." 😂🤣😂😂😂🤣
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Heads up your link to the Forney Welder in your description is the same link as for the Rust-oleum. Copy and paste issue I'm guessing.
Actually you've done the same copy and paste for the Rust-oleum in this comment as well.
Yeah, I would have felt guilty using ply for a $6k table. I built a solid ash 42"x10' table for $3500.
He could have got 10' veneer sheet for about $100 and had a glass smooth top with no seams
@Dorian Gray inspired?
I highly doubt he need or wants a 10ft table.
Dorian Gray you do not have to read it...
Or just buy a used table and make it from there
Wouldn’t you atleast joint the boards so you don’t need that much putty for the seams???
Me after following this tutorial:
500$ in materials to make a 50$ table
I am not sure I would pay $50
the material isn't even $500
This is a very not functional table, not even with great quality or looking. Maximum i will pay for the size of the wood and some service charge.
And then, i don't like how people say this have design... so any normal people who know some wood work can make this design what design you have? Just a rectangular piece.
Artist: my design of table, this cost 6000
Me:i can but a better material, if people can create without any thinking or skill that is not consider as design or art lol
I hope your customer doesn't see this video. That's quite the mark-up for a tabletop that's not high quality.
You are too polite. It is horrible. The plywood is fine, but the joinery is the worst.
Welding technique, accurancy and finish...
@@antoniot4025 Flux core welding to boot!
Watching this as a german professional carpenter really gives me headaches, it would have been really easy and quick to do this in a proper workshop (i get that you don't have that but i really don't understand your client here)
Ich wollte sowas auch schreiben... Ich bin leider kein gelernter Tischler, sondern nur ambitionierter Hobbytischler und darf daher auch keine Möbel bauen bzw. verkaufen, aber für 6000$ könnte jemand von mir mehr erwarten, als DAS.. Massivholz, pulverbeschichtete Beine, ...
@@JonnyK2025 Genau
Was hat der denn da zusammengeschustert?
Sieht ja alles ganz schön aus aber die Holzplatte sollte schon Vollmaterial sein für den Preis .
Ich hätte zumindest eine 3m multiplex platte genommen und nicht gestückelt.
For those that are astonished at the price tag. A very smart and VERY successful guy told me over two decades ago some words that stuck with me since.
"Creativity costs money."
Not everyone can write a novel or paint a masterpiece, but the majority of the population can appreciate them because of the talent they don't possess to conceptualize or create one themselves.
I agree with you...to some extend, On Top of the 500$ there is cost for the labor that needs to be accounted for as well. My problem is: In my opinion the design of the the desk is not that special that it justifies being an example of your argument. I think that there are a lot of people out there that can come up with a similar or even better design, whereas there are not a lot of people out there who can paint better than the top painters of our time.
@@MrAndi1281, I don't disagree with matching talents between people. But it's the conceptualizing where my point lies, not the execution.
Look are Robert Indiana and Keith Haring, just to stick with artists. 99% of the people who have watched and will watch this video can look at their works and reproduce them with little effort. But .1% of those might have actually come up with the concept completely on their own given the opportunity. That's why those guys are famous, and tons of artists after them slung boxes for a living like I do or some other menial job saying to themselves "why didn't *I* think of that?!"
Project looks great, but I’m so bothered by the fact that you can feel okay selling something covered in four dollar spray paint which I know for a fact (both from personal and professional experience) is not good quality, for 6000$. I’d just feel crummy doing that. Even if the client preferred the plywood top I’d drop the price down to like 2000$. 1500$ for design and labor is still a solid pay out. 5500$ is just a total rip off.
Yes! The least he could do was take that metal to a fab shop that could powder-coat it. Even in my backwater burg of a town, there are three shops that could do a good job of it for not a lot of money.
I mean, if the client wants to pay that much, then let them pay that much.
It’s client’s fault. Don’t blame this guy. It’s his job, not charity.
I guess everyone charges what they are worth.
Can't hate on his grind, while he makes 6k for 1 table you'll make 3 tables for the same price
6000 bucks is wayy too much for this level of craftsmanship and materials. Jimmy McGill's Cocobolo desk costed 7 grand
Oh Jimmy and his cocobolo desk!
man i just watched the show!!
aahahaha love the reference
I still wonder how did they got that table inside his office :D
da boss can sock me
Honestly I’m just hung up with a $6,000 table having a plywood top and spray painted legs also where do u get ur steel from?!?! Cuz I’d watch a whole video on where you find 20ft of 1/2 “ for $9
probably the junk yard or some scrap metal yard :)
I dont think he sold it for 6000 dollars and its defenetly not worth it if it was build better it might but cheap material and spray paint like you said thats not worth 6000 dollars
Bastijn Kluts I’m sure he made it for himself and telling his friends it’s a 6000 dollar table in his living room.... but is it’s a good clickbait 🤣, not sure if it’s the kind of attention u want tho
He said it's for a client, and that they paid 6k for it 🤷🏼♂️ whether you think it's worth 6k is different
The client must be a rich family member or something lol
The level of craftsmanship for that kind of commission is woefully out of balance. As a client I never would have accepted the build quality. Weird rough ends of the metal bars (why didn't you butt the connecting pieces onto the spine pieces??), absolutely atrocious joinery... You're giving people false hope that this is an achievable commission with putting in the absolute bare minimum of effort. If I saw this video as the client, I would be extremely disappointed. Do better!
Scott Leakey you didn’t watch to the end. Your criticisms are unfounded and rude.
You obviously don’t know what fine furniture quality is
The long and short is the table wasn't made for you. You didn't buy it (obviously) but again your criticisms are rude. You can express YOUR OPINION without rudeness.
No I’m speaking to Scott
"absolutely atrocious joinery." I agree completely, the 1/4 inch gap filled with who knows what right?. Spline, glue and clamp the pieces before joining them for god's sake. The joinery is very questionable if it will even stay together depending on what adhesive he used and the completely improper glue up. I would bet he never put any adhesive on both surfaces! 40 lb. cement blocks stacked two even levels high on every inch would have been the way to go, I happen to have many but,....the clamping was uneven and not even close to being right no matter what. it will de-laminate for sure before too long. The builder needs to do some research on many aspects of building imho. Nothing personal just, wow!
2020 Robin Hood! He steals from the rich to give himself
Prob “sold” the table to his own company for $6k and then wrote it off as a business expense 😂
You’re a genius. BRB going to make a table 😂
Appreciate the design thoughts at the end, table looks great!
Why didnt you spend more time, getting the joints tighter on the top? Those were big gaps.
Coz this guy is a rip off. That's a $2000 table at most and with that level of workmanship even that's a stretch. Those gaps were a joke.
@Dorian Gray exactly, he's not a woodworker so this table could never be sold at 6k *as it is*. What people are saying is that on that kind of objects and price tags, details count. If you're about to spend 6k, you'll be paying attention to details! Not just the overall design...
@Dorian Gray - are you the customer that got robbed blind buying this table? I think I could make one like it but do it better. Where is my $6k?
Dorian Gray I make custom furniture, if you’re interested in a table like this I can make it an any dimensions and have it shipped out to you
Dorian Gray for $6000 he better be a more competent woodworker than this lol
The arrangement of steel rods is beginning to look like a locomotive cow-catcher :-)
Love this video! Thanks for the breakdown.
I bet client feels real special watching this :-)
I make and sell high end concrete furniture (I've helped modustrial maker with his concrete CZcams castings).
The way I've always explained it to people who don't understand the cost "because the materials aren't that expensive"; you dont walk into a music shop and expect to pay the same for a handmade violin as you would a pallet; they're both made from wood.
It's the time, skill, creativity and the fact its bespoke, that's what is being paid for.
You can either be high end or low end. The middle ground doesn't work.
Keep doing what you're doing.
“The middle ground doesn’t work”, is that because all the cheap-but-decent furniture being sold by big box retailers in this range? Or what makes this so?
@@TracksWithDax
If you're cheap the high end market won't be interested.
If you're expensive the low end cant afford you.
The middle ground between the 2 is this;
The low end wont pay more than what is necessary or will always try to find the cheapest deal and the high end will wonder why it's cheaper than the high end prices, because the mindset here is that you get what you pay for...so pay more.
@Dorian Gray never used it.
We already have a glass aggregate we use as a sand replacement to make our concrete much lighter..
And glass fibre reinforced concrete is very light anyway compared to other materials
yea, filling badly cut plywood with wood putty is that 5k $ skill and creativity
@@beavis3421 I dont recall where in my post where I referenced the actual table, but more so why high end exists or rather why custom is more expensive.
Care to share your creations? I would very much like to see them, send me a message on instagram; Da Vinci Designer Concrete
Love the design notes Ben! They give a lot of insight into the choices you make
Thanks SO MUCH for the honesty in this video. This kind of inside info in invaluable, and something people don't do at all. And to go into your pricing like this, seriously helpful material. We tend to undervaluate ourselves, and this is such an important part of business.
Plywood and can sprayed metal for 6k. Big yikes for who ever paid for that 😂
True
I am pretty sure you did not watch the whole video.
Creighton Daggett that’s why people like you and me won’t make the big bucks, we‘re too honest.
However there’s also the problem, that if you‘re good at something you stop to see how hard it is for others and undersell your work because you think „I’m not doing that much“ when I’m reality you should also be paid for the time you spent learning your craft
@@WuschelofDespair i tend to do that with projects or jobs, undersell myself. I built a wooden gate between a walkway on the side of a friends house and only charged $80 for labor.
Built a $40 in materials solid leopold style bench from 2x8s for myself in about 1 1/2 hours that was easy and fun. My mom said I should make some and sell em for $150 but I felt like $80 retail wasnt bad. $40 profit for less than 2 hours work. Again probably grossly under selling myself
@Creighton Daggett exactly!
Your videos are always full of information, but I like this one a lot. It's neat to hear you perspectives on why you chose materials and your thought process on setting expectations for a commissioned piece.
6 Grand for plywood? I need me some clients like that.
Exactly what I was thinking!
Dude. Seriously.....
customers with more dollars then sense.
Ben, you make the welding look SO easy! Thanks so much for your generosity in sharing your ideas, techniques and especially for the design notes at the end. You are such a nice person for doing this!
simple, creative, well deserve the price...its not about the cost, its about unique handmade creative design table. Bravo
Gonna start on my own desk, your channel has been an inspiration!
Great video!
Love the combination of the build and then breaking down the design and thought process, thanks for sharing!
My thinking is: you and the customer agreed on Everything that was to be used (materials, design ect.) and the price, so I see NO problem. KEEP the customer HAPPY !!!!
Great job, Ben! Thanks for the sharing and inspiration. Appreciate the hard work behind this video.
someone paid $6,000 for a table that came already sagging lol
Nice build. I like the base, shows what can be accomplished with some design skills and a cheap welder. Just wondering if using hardwood edging on the top was a consideration? The exposed plywood edges just don’t do it for me, especially at this price point.
I love it, I’ve had a similar leg concept bouncing around my head for a while. Well done.
This is amazing and I love how you explained your choice of using steel as opposed to a wooden base
I agree with most of the comments here. I to own a fine architectural mill work company. We work with a lot of architects to build bespoke fixtures, both modern and contemporary.
The overall design is very cool, but the execution is what’s lacking. There is a reason my shop cost me over 100k in machines and a certified spray booth to produce what we do.
Again, the consensus I see is that the design is great, and I think he did a great job with the design, but the craftsmanship is lacking.
And food for thought, you can order oversized plywood so you don’t have any seams - but that is custom from a mill
I wouldn't be surprised seeing this as what someone who had a home workshop and did it for a hobby
Aren't we going down the road here of modern art and "my 3 year old could have done that"?
Bandana Ben, distant cousin of Prison Mike from Scranton PA.
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I love you for this
Thank you for sharing the build. Love the end discuss. Take care and stay safe :)-From Australia
Congratulations you made incredible amazing things
Fabulous! Thanks for breaking all of this down, perfect example of how to do commissions. Very inspiring!
I love that he charged around what stores charge. As a person with no talent in this area, I expect a "handmade" modern 9 foot table to be at least $5k (as he explained) Get your money man.. lol
but stores have completetely different cost structures that a CZcamsr
Except you can get a solid wood 9ft table from a store for the same price. No way I would pay that much for plywood. It’s insane.
5:28 I think you flexed your welding ability as well. Nice job
Really love the design and the design talk.
Wow chill people... 6k so what if the client can afford it and is willing to pay that amount of money to one of the mentioned websites for a production table whats the difference. Apart from no one else will have the same table obviously.
The client researched what they wanted and approached the artist they wanted to make it, this been Ben!! a maker who they knew would have the artistic design ability to create the product they wanted.
U smashed it Ben 👌 great content as always 👏 👌 haters gonna hate...
I understand, but still, critics is important for improvement, and the «normal» plywood top woll not age well, the only value of this ply is in the last maple sheet, i think russian plywood, for a 200$ (or less) in material would have made a better product. By you are right
the price is not the real problem, the lack of attention to the details is. did you saw those joints dude? ahaha what a fanboy, be real
I don’t know much, but what I do know is if someone paid $6000 for that table I am in the wrong business and there really is a sucker born every minute
As an industrial designer and craftsman I applaud you on the design. Very sustainable design with modern lines and simplicity. The value is always in both the confidence of the builder and ability of the designer. Your not paid $6000 for the actually table, but the years spent perfecting your craft. :)
The steel leg cages could become interesting lounge chairs aswell!
The phrase squeezy clamps made me laugh. LOL
EPIC ADVANTURE you forgot the metal melty thingy and grindy disc spinner or the sawsy for big woody sheets do-hicky
*HomeMadeModern* Thanks for sorting out the Forney Welder link. I want to buy one but wanted to make sure you get your kick back for the purchase ;-)
thank you!
@@HomeMadeModern Of course. Keep up the great content mate.
Thank you for this. This is really motivating for post B Arch students. The pricing segment is really informative!
$500 in materials to make a $500 table is correct description.
great idea 💡 on the legs.. really liked them.. thanks for sharing! I do find it a bit far fetched that your client would pay that much for the wood putty filled top.. but hey.. I would sell them all day long if there were customers for it!.. if all parties are happy with it why not... but i am also blown away by the prices they sell stuff for in the USA..
@Dorian Gray I am not bitch slapping anyone.. I gave my personal opinion that I would not pay 6g for it.. but also in the same sentence would sell them all day long if I could. I am blown away by prices in the usa /etsy.. again my personal opinion.. i have made all my own furnature and haven't put it out there like Ben does.. its far from perfect! and defenitly not sell worthy too other people.. calling me a keyboard warrior is easy from behind your keyboard.. personal question to you is.. would you pay 6G for a table like that..? knowing you would get a Ben original. but with wood putty filled top..? you all might be rich or something but 6G is a lot of money.. and even more than all the tools I own.. I love Ben's ideas and how he goes about it. and people can price it for what they want..
6k with those joints lol - would have been better of painting the top satin white and leaving the exposed ply on the edges and hiding those joins
Did you listen to his design notes?
Honestly I never comment, but as a professional shop owner for 20 years, I would never let that leave my shop. If my employees use wood filler like that then they have failed to set up a machine properly or just plain don’t care.
@Dorian Gray you dont need to be a top tier craftsman to know that a seamed plywood table is not $6k
@@____julia____ is not about the design, for a table , 6k for plate wood is a joke
Genius design. Will definitely give it a try once I get my Weilding machine. Thank you.
Love the base! Really interesting to hear all the design considerations!
3:38 audio inconsistency discussing visual inconsistency
It's just hilarious how you try to make 500 quit in materials that could have been gotten for way less look good by contrasting it with 6000 which is just exaggerated. I hope the client was too rich to care and considers it a piece of art otherwise this is a dickish move.
Lol. i think anyone dropping 6k on a table is doing alright..
I loved the design notes as well! Great table btw :)
Great video and amazing design! I also really appreciate talking thru how you priced it and the whole process. Thanks!
lol, literally everyone else, i hear ya. while it is very steep, remember these are austrailan pesos and if we're generous and say that including consulting time and a few design proposals, grinding, sanding and finishing this took 30 hours, thats 150AUD/hour labour cost, and as a self employed person Ben has to pay income tax, health and accident insurance himself, so you can halve that. convert to your currency of choice, and you can see what he's really getting.
I wish I could "like" your comment more than just once....
Nobody shows in their videos all the hours and hours of setup. Especially the welding -- cleaning that many parts properly can take several hours, and it's tedious. That's only one piece of the project.
Of course, anybody who's convinced it's a weekend project -- go for it! He freely posted
the design,
the tool list,
the part list and
the step-by-step instructions.
There is NOTHING stopping any of us from recreating what he built, improving it and charging less.
Please, start a channel and show us what you come up with.
I live in Belgium a self employed woodworker in Belgium that ask €50/hour is already considered expensive.
can you explain to me why "australian pesos". i thought he lives in the USA?
@@MrAndi1281 yeah he lives and works in California.
@@TheAstronomyDude so no "Australien Pesos" ??
Imagine paying 6 k for an plywood table.
Imagine having THE MONEY to actually buy a plywood table for 6k.
@Dorian Gray Someones here offended. Sorry for the Typo. English is not my first language. My mother Language is German. If your german is as good as my English we can Conversate in that!
@Dorian Gray so? Your point?
I liked that you added the comments towards the ends, regarding solid wood top and regarding the visible cuts...
Great work! Thanks for sharing
I must be doing something wrong, Im a skilled craftsman I couldn't get that kind of money for that table, and it wouldn't have 1/8" of putty in the seams and I would have custom veneered it
Watching this makes it easier to understand why modern furniture prices are so high. Very labor intensive to say the least.
With the exception of the legs, if you feel this project was labor-intensive as a woodworking project, you must not have watched actual fine Woodworkers on CZcams
i love the look of the legs, so ultra modern
That table is sturdy, big and gorgeous! Even you can reduce the measurements and made a bench!
HMM: I made a $6000 table with $500 in material!
Apple: Amateur.
Great great video about the power - and value - of ideas, research, design. Really interesting.
Really appreciate the notes at the end. Super informative/educational!
Really appreciate the design discussion at the end.
Thanks for going over the design considerations, it was very informative. It sounds like you gave the client exactly what they were looking for and they have the option to change the top in the future.
he's using a marble table as a price reference for his table of plywood, what a joke
Hey man, if you can think of a better way to sell a 500 dollar table for 6000, you should try that.
@@final_cut_ or not be a conman, like sell your product with a decent markup, and not sell a 500$ table that will last a month at a 1200% markup
hahahah just thought the same. First one: solid oak / Second one: Marble.
wtf haha
You could inlay some steel between each plywood board on top to make a feature out of the seams
I agree totally! I initially was thinking of a contrasting wood, but I like your idea with the steel much better.
I really love this table, looking forward to building this myself! I also had a few thoughts for my build, rather than using wood putty to fill in the seems on the table top, I'm going to accentuate the seams with either a thin strip of Dark walnut, or red oak!
the welding and design is definitely skillful, but i cant imagine thinking its worth 6 grand, especially for a plywood top with all those seems.
This is called getting tricked by a business. For real tho, how’d you trick the buyer into this? Smh
I mean...people pay thousands to drink bottles of rotten grapes.
Wouldn't be surprised if money laundering were a thing with these "commissions." Not saying HomeMadeModern is in on the take, just that the potential is there with these kinds of overpriced builds. I'd look into the industry generally speaking if I were a prosecutor.
Your explanation was very interesting. The table is awesome.
Man such a cool table, would love to see the plans and try to make one in the future
If someones paying 6k for this, i really question some things ive made and sold...
Imagine the guy who paid 6000 watching this!
I just found your channel, and I really have to say how enjoyable it is to watch! Thanks for sharing your expertise.
Whoa, I got the same welder! It's quite the little green beast!
I wanna meet the client who paid 6k so I get some business from them.
Wonderful table and work. Truly one of a kind, hence the price. God bless!
super nice, I like the inlay with walnut idea
Beautiful !!
Your asking price is on point, don't let anyone tell you otherwise.
It might be interesting though next time to do more of an asking price breakdown rather than material breakdown, as it allows you to explain to these couch heroes how there's more than materials - you don't only pay for the time it took to craft it, you also pay for the 10 years of design experience it took you to get here. For the completely personalized and involved design (the absolute worst thing for a client to add to a process). For the nights where you maybe lie awake considering design options. For last month, where you did not have any commission piece paying the bills. For the area you live in, which is both rather expensive and rather remote, if I'm not mistaken.
All they're seeing now is a $5500 profit, and you owe it to yourself to come out of such an honest video with a better image.
I can't believe someone paid 6k for that.
To a certain extent I understand your point. I would not pay $6000 for any sort of table but I am not everyone and Restoration Hardware does over $2 BILLION in sales a year with furniture at this price point. I wouldn’t pay $1000 for sneakers either but I know a lot of people who do. A product is worth what a consumer and producer agree. I don’t think I could sell 100 of these tables a year but I get about 5-10 custom commission requests a month and I filter that done to about 3-4 projects a year. I pick the commissions that are the best fit creatively and financially. The idea of the client being called stupid in youtube comments made me laugh. There are some really well educated hardworking successful people out there that like the idea of something be made just for them. I told them to check out the comment sections of the video and am totally comfortable with people having their own ideas about value and price. From a business perspective I don’t want to use custom labor to get a slight profit margin off of materials. I want to get paid for ideas and design and so I built my business to do just that. How about you make a table out of solid oak or walnut. I will pay for the materials. I will build a table out of plywood. we will put them up for sale and see whose table sells for more.
@@HomeMadeModern i can´t believe someone like sebastian didn´t see your work here. U Rock.
@@HomeMadeModern compared to some of the other "high end" tables that you showed as other options for your client, I think yours is a bargain at 6k. I think my comment may have been misunderstood, I merely struggle to put myself in the mindset of someone who would invest that kind of money in a table, regardless of the design.
@@johndavidalexander6646 I would guess you are from a working class/blue collar background?
Money has a different meaning to people (myself included) in our class bracket, backing expendable income to spend on custom furniture, cars, holiday homes or any cosmetic item is foreign to people who just want to pay Bill's and have a nice holiday every year/take care of their family.
@@HomeMadeModern Two words for you: Jimmy DiResta. You're an absolute genius for moving to California. Anywhere else on the planet and you'd be broke with zero clients.
Loved it! So smart and cost frugal!
Excellent video. Informative, instructive and still entertaining :)
Your “client” has more dollars than sense
Regarding the build: I really love the design of the legs. I don't feel the wood top was the strongest part of the build and definitely not your strongest piece, though. And regarding the gaps in the plywood pieces, they don't seem TERRIBLE and aren't so bad since you made sure the four pieces of plywood were made to form a symmetric design. I'm curious if there might have been more value for the cost by adding in something to accept the seam - perhaps a piece of wood forming a cross in the middle, or something else, at least for $6,000. Other than the legs of the table, there seems to be a drop in the OVERALL quality, even if the tabletop is "child resistant" in case they decide to become artists all over the table, instead of just what they're working on.
Regarding the price: Why exactly do prices increase dramatically once you exceed 9' in length? I'm not bashing but I'm curious if you have any more information on that which you found when looking into prices? From someone that does these projects rarely and never consider about the work going into them, it feels as if we just make slightly beefier cuts (if we were doing this all out of wood), and doing them with the same tools and materials we would otherwise be using.
There is less supply out there is the biggest reason. Thete are other things like Transporting the finished product. You also need to account to double your material cost going from 8' to a 9' table, and when it comes to custom builds, you do need to account for the possibility of scrapping and redoing something in general.
This table is stunning. A one of a kind piece. I love your work. I too would have left the seams just as they are.
Great advice on pricing out the commission. I never thought to ask the client for their alternatives. Great video and build.
but that's so deceptive, like: "let me see how much you know/don't know so i can take advantage and up-sell you"
if you change your price from client to client, you're deceptive.
if he makes 10 identical tables they should all be the same price and not higher or lower depending on the poor sucker that he rips off.