Sound Cart Mini-Cart Tour
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- čas přidán 1. 09. 2019
- Boston Production Sound Mixer Jim Keaney gives a detailed tour of his SoundCart MINI-CART.
SOUNDCART MINI-CART
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Sound Devices 888 (***688 has been discontinued - this is the new 888):
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Sound Devices CL-16 (replaces the CL12, and works with the 8 Series):
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Sound Devices SL-2 (this is an accessory for ONLY the new 888)
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Remote Audio Speakeasy R1:
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Best Sharkie Sharkfin Antenna:
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Comtek Mini-Mite Antenna:
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Lectrosonics SNA600a Dipole Antenna:
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Lectrosonics SRc Dual Receiver:
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Lectrosonics SMWB transmitter:
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Lectrosonics SMDWB transmitter:
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Pelican LiFe Battery:
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Audioroot BDS (shown in bag):
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Pelican 1557 Case:
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Black Magic Duo Monitors:
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16-hole 1U Rack Panel:
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1U Sliding Shelf:
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ProMediaGear 12" Nato Rails:
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I forgot to mention it in the video, but there are a pair of metal cups that I use to carry 2 C-stands in conjunction with a pair of QuickFist grips mounted to a blank 10.5" panel which attaches to the Mini-Carts inner rack rails. Here are those parts too:
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10.5" Half-Rack Vented Panel: www.allmetalparts.co.uk/485-1u...
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Thanks for the walk-thru Jim. Really interesting to see your customizations.
Curtis Judd Thanks, Curtis - love your channel!
I'm just a small "soundie" with a small sound-bag doing small sound-jobs
But if I ever move up to have to work from a cart; I've learnt how to try and set mine up, cos of this video.
Thanks a bunch!!!
Thank you for the video! Good to see some more soundies put up some quality content.
Nice work Jim. Great cart and thanks for sharing.
Really enjoyed this video. Really informative and given me loads to think about when designing my own setup. Particularly love the nato rail solution for securing the case. Thanks
Thank you for this detailed overview.
Thanks for putting this video up this gave me a ton of ideas!!
We're late to the game with this video but thanks for showing all the details of your setup. Great looking cart!
great inspiration! grabbed my minicart black edition this summer and have been enjoying tricking it out.
This video was great. I'm designing my kit outward, and this definately gave me some great ideas about being modular and power systems.
Thank you for this, amazing stuff.
Came here for educational purposes - got blasted with positive emotions from the dub step sound intro. Bravo!
Smartie! Great complex solution.
🔥. Your cart is 1 of 1. Amazing setup
This is so Awesome...Thanks for the Video.
Awesome video!
great cart simple neat and effective
Great cart Jim!!!
Well this is really sexy! So well thought out and sleek! Love that you made it in a modular setup!
Loving the intro on this
haha Thanks! I spent wayyy too much time on it.
Very nice set up !
This is so cool man!! Someday I'm hoping to have something like this! :)
Jimbo your killin it guy
Thanks! Fun and informative! My girlfriend had a stroke though
Thank you for this walk-through of your wicked impressive rig, Jim! You have inspired me to mod my SL-6's NP-1 slot as well, for use with a D-tap V-lock battery. Going to have a look around online for any other resources about that process, but if you find a moment, I'd be so grateful if you could share any links or notes you may have about that. Cheers from Toronto.
Quite helpful thanks
Pure genius. Great job pulling that cart together. It’s kind of amazing how much custom design and cabling you had to do to make something that many other mixers need and want. Just goes to show how non-integrated a lot of what we do still is. Maybe by the time you retire you can look back and tell your old buddies about back in the day when you had to build custom carts and cables to so a sound job. Also great video production quality. Were you on a boom?
RallenMan thanks, Allen! I had to clear out that room to achieve a clean wide shot of the cart and unfortunately that made the room extra reverberant. I just used a cos11D lav because I knew I’d be cutting VO for b-roll/inserts too and it would match more easily. Not my best audio, but I think the message is clear enough.
You got my like with the royalty free dubstep! Ha, ha. Oh yah and great walk through on the sound cart, too. :-)
Thanks, Ben! Glad it brought some people smiles.
I LOVE THISSSSSSS OMG OMG omg you are brilliant!!!!!!!!!!!!
Thanks, Lucas!
Nice cart build! Do you think you could do a short video on the custom 10 pin cables? I’m curious to the pinouts that you have set up and that. Thanks!
Thanks, Daniel! The custom pin-out is up to you as long as everything corresponds at each end of the loom/cabling. I'm using the pair of 10pin paths to send the following signals:
1st 10pin snake:
- 688 USB>CL12 USB (this uses 5 of the pins)
- 688 Left Out (Main mix)>EPK XLR on patchbay (uses 3 pins)
* 2 pins remained, which would have accommodated (+&-) for the power traveling between the bag/rack, but I didn't want power sharing a connector with audio, so I used the common Neutrik 4-pin XLR for the power send)
2nd 10pin snake:
- 688 X1 Out>VTR Send XLR on patchbay (uses 3 pins)
- 688 Channel #12 Input TA3>VTR Return XLR on patchbay (uses 3 pins)
- 688 X2 Out>Speakeasy R1 XLR input (uses 3 pins)
Email me jim.keaney@gmail.com and I'll send you a photo of the loom if you want to see how 'I put it together.
Best,
-Jim
Hey Jim great video, very surprised you can feed the little audio route vmDbox in your cart with the PSC life battery..
are you going 4 pin xlr -> hirose cart distro -> out into the monitor / cl-2 and out to the bag? I always assumed PSC had some funky wiring out of their boxes and Hi rose cables were limited RE ampage?
I know the Hirose outs can handle the 2.5amp draw but is there not a limit as to what the input can handle?
Sorry for the questions, this is a genious rig!
Cue the dubstep and stutter cuts :)
Love this!!
very nice, where did you get the patch bay labels made up..? also check out zuca bags for storage to replace the peli
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That intro haha! When are you uploading it to Pond5? Keep up the good work!
I lol'd when I searched to find out what Pond5 was. Thanks! I'm glad at least one person found it humorous... I definitely spent way too much time on it 😂
Hi Jim great video, I am in the process of building my own cart right now and your video is full of great ideas, thanks for sharing it.
I have a question, do you have two-way communication with your boom operator or yo only have a one-way talkback with the boom operator? if so, how do you get an answer from the operator?
Greetings from Madrid
Thanks Nerio, boom op typical talks back through the boom mic.
Hi Jim, I love how you’re showing the equipment that the top level sound mixers use. I hope to get there some day. There is something that I continuously have questions about. That is if you use a wireless boom setup. If you have any insights on that, could you possibly share? Thanks
Yeah sure, I typically use a Lectrosonics HM plug on transmitter which either goes right on the mic or at the end of a cabled pole depending on the boom operator’s preference. That microphones signal is received wirelessly at the mixer. I send a prefader boom-only mix or prefader boom plus postfader lavs mix (if that’s the ops preference) via an IFB system. This system usually consists of a Lectrosonics transmitter being received by a Lectrosonics R1a receiver pack which the boom operator plugs their headphones into. In addition to the boom mic audio I also mix in my talkback mic so the op can hear me when needed. This is a Private Line mix, meaning only the boom op hears this mix (and a Utility if needed). Boom op typically just talks back to me through their boom mic. That’s pretty much the standard set up.
@@HubLocationSound Awesome. Thank you for sharing. Very insightful.
Great setup! That Nato rail attachment is genius. Where did you get/who made that custom rack case? I don't see it in the links?
Ed Denton Thanks Ed! I cannot recommend the road case company I used as there were some quality control issues and we had to go back-and-forth a few times to get it right. But most road case companies offer custom work if you let them know what you’re looking for.
your audio seems pretty good in what looks to be a very reflective space; can you discuss what gear you used and what treatment you made to the space. cheers
Thanks for watching! I was wearing a Sanken Cos11D lav under my shirt in this video likely mounted between the buttons of that polo shirt. That room (the dining room in my home) was fairly reflective because I emptied it specifically to make room to shoot this video. No treatment, so I think ‘pretty good’ is about the best it could be.
Jim, what is the current draw when you have the whole cart powered? I have a similar setup with a LiFE battery and a couple BDS systems but, I'm interested in making some modifications. Have you ever encountered an issue with too much power running through the system, say, when the LiFE battery is plugged into AC simultaneously? A rep from AudioRoot told me they wouldn't recommend running more than 3A through the system with an eSmart. Curious what your experiences are. I'm looking at having my LiFE battery feed an eSmart BG-DU powering a BST75-216 and my monitors; then when the bag is on the cart it'll also feed into the Remote Audio BDS in the bag for the mixer, wireless, and faders.
Hi Derek - the pelican life battery only functions in that mode (charge and running simultaneously) if the draw is less than 6amps.
I’m also curious about this - I have same distro in Jim’s cart and each Hirose out is limited to 2.5amps - now like you I’m not sure how that unit handles the input from the battery?
I wonder if Jim could shed some light on this
Awesome videos, Jim! Thank you *so much* for sharing. You customizations are sweet. Love the way your brain works.
I would really love to see a full breakdown of your breakaway cable! I've been dreaming about almost the exact same cart setup for my 664 that you've presented here, but your version is so much more elegant than what I've imagined. The big question I've had is how to make the cart to bag transition as efficient as possible. A pinout of your breakaway, along with source and destinations laid out would be amazingly helpful! A lot of it is pretty self-explanatory, but, one question I immediately have is: how are you getting a balanced VTR return into your 688? Just using an input channel?
Thanks again, Jim. You rock!
Thanks! Glad you’ve found it useful. The pinout isn’t really important. I just made it a point to keep my Audio connections and Power connections inside separate connectors. Otherwise, you can pick whatever pins you want (as long as they correspond correctly on both ends ;) The EPK return does terminate to a TA3F which I’d typically plug into channel 12. I have since sold my 688 and moved to an 888 (videos coming soon on that unit) so my cart setup has tweaked a bit. I had to swap the USB part of my snake from B to A to accommodate 8-series change of Usb port. I think I jumper-ed my EPK feed from it's panel XLR straight into the Speakeasy rack units input. I ran my USB connections through the snake as well. Let me know if you have any specific questions - might be able to shed more light.
@@HubLocationSound , thank you for your detailed response! Makes sense that the pin out wouldn’t matter. I guess I was really just looking for an answer to the balanced VTR return question and figured it wouldn’t hurt to have all the info.
I suppose A new question was raised by your reply... You say you were going straight into ch12 of the 688, but now directly into the Speakeasy? What’s the goal there? Just curious.
@@HubLocationSound Just thought of 4 more questions:
1) What all is incorporated into that breakaway? I see VTR send/rx, USB for the CL-12, power into the SL-6. So far, that's 11 pins for signal (6 for VTR send/rx + 5 for USB). With 20 pins (A and B snakes) you've gotta have more in there! :)
2) Do you have a clever trick for quickly disengaging your 4 antenna lines from the bag?
3) Do you keep the Comtek tx in the bag?
4) How do you secure your bag to the rack case?
Thank you in advance. Looking forward to your response!
@@pointer333 I still have this rack w/CL-12 but I’ve moved on from the 688/cl6/SL6/Lectros (to 888/Zaxcom Wireless) so I’m kind of looking back at this setup in the rearview mirror - so apologies as I’m a little foggy about what went where. I think I had the Comtek BST in a side pocket of the bag at this time. I think most of the antennas were on BNC’s which are pretty quick to move. The ifb was on an SMQV (sma). Later I was using SMA>BNC adapters to jump between SNA600 and whips. I just used a bungee cord to strap the bag to the rack. Snake pins were vtr send 3, vtr rtn 3, usb 5, epk 3 = 14 total.
@@HubLocationSound Awesome. Thanks for taking the time, Jim! Much appreciated.
Great video! Please if you can answer how you get the picture on the video screens? Whether you go wireless or by cable?
Hi Marko, On the rear patch panel there are SDI inputs and outs (loop throughs) for each screen. I typically would hardwire.
Nice work. Can you please share the model number of the K-Tek Bag shows with your 633 at the 11m03s mark?
The bag holding the 633 is the Ktek Stingray Junior (KSTGJ). That version of the bag has been discontinued, but there is a new version called the “Junior X” which is very similar in spec: www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1636839-REG/k_tek_kstgjrx_stingray_junior_x_audio.html/BI/21832/KBID/28200
Can I ask please what the name wheelers devices you used and your opinion of the best devices for dramatic tv and move
I really like the customization you did with the case. Just curious about the NATO rails. What length are those? And where did you get them? I am considering doing something similar with a Zaxcom setup
The Nato rails are 12”. I think they also make a 10” version and probably even smaller options too. ProMediaGear is the company.
Hub Location Sound thanks. That was a great idea
Hi Jim, thank you very much for your Video! I have the same cart, one questions please. This is the Peli 1507 or 1557? Thanks!
1557
@@HubLocationSound thank you !!!
Thanks for video, but i have two questions ? first, what's fly case reference that you use for monitor and the console ? And, you have reinforced the cart for the fly case keeping ? Thank you so much !!!
Hi Jeremy, Sorry just seeing your comment now. I wasn't happy with the quality of the custom case maker, so I don't want to share the name of their company. And yes, because of the extra wait of the fly case, Soundcart suggested adding those triangle shaped braces to the 80/20 frame. They offer them separately.
@@HubLocationSound Thank you for answer ! I understand that you don’t want to share, is normal. Normally when we ask a service this for be happy of work. Sorry for my English 😬 thank you so much again 😉
How do you get video signal? Do you have something connected to the cameras?
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Is the exact distance between the shark fin antennae’s critical or is there an acceptable range?
mark pope the optimal range is said to be approx 2’-4’. Sometimes more spacing is better if you’re covering a couples zones but if spread too far apart they aren’t really working as diversity. Diversity receiver antennas can actually be too close (where they’d both suffer the same dropouts) but a 1/4 wave length (a few inches) spacing is apparently enough as seen on slot receivers.
Dub intro Fucks Hard
I love you man - you whole approach to work is just - yes!
I would love to rack your brain RE power/distro: I'm still running my bag rig (833 and two/three lecto SRCs off an np1/audio root solution. I've Been thinking about adding monitors (BM duo's and an icon M surface to my mini cart (similar to this config ).
How would you recommend say running off a block batt / mains and keeping a back up np1 solution just for the bag rig I.E if I want to quickly jump off the cart into a run/gun situation or if there was a power fail via mains or block bat? Like you're currently doing.
Reason why i'm a bit stumped is that going forward I'd like to add some kind of RF distro However:
because the SD SL-2 doesn't have a separate DC in (only taking power from 833 unit directly) - I would be looking act the PSC RF 4 RACK as it has two separate power ins and 6-outs meaning I could:
Run a block batt into my simple Vmbox Distro Powering the surface and monitors - have a feed going to the PSC rack->Sound devices 833 (and have a back up batt say an NP1?)
I know its a big question but if any one knows - its you - Love your Channel and really appreciate your time.
Best
Craig
Hi Craig, Thanks, Love you too. I can geek out on this stuff all day. Here are some things to consider... Because your 833 only has one Hirose input and your SL-2 wireless can only get power through the internal connection between the 833 and SL2, the only other way to power the 833 is by using the 833's rear L-Series Battery connections. Here's a link to a company that makes an L-Series Dummy battery 1sourcevideo.com/shop/kondor-blue-d-tap-to-sony-l-series-dummy-battery-npf-cable.html (NOTE! this one linked is 'regulated' which you absolutely want (meaning it can take a range of voltage between 12-17v and it will regulate that voltage down to a constant stream of 8v, which is what those rear L-Series connections are looking for. There's another company who makes one called indipro but it's UNregulated meaning it won't buck the voltage down to the safe level (~8v). This Kondor one comes wired to a D-tap, but you could pretty easily re-terminate that to something that makes more sense for your cart (XLR-M 4pin or hirose 4-pin depending what your cart battery offers). You might even ask them to terminate it to you - special order. So with that second power input you can choose one to be a bag battery and one to be a cart battery. The 8 series defaults to the DC power source, so I would set that coming from your cart battery/mains. That way the bag battery (coming into the L-battery connection) is the backup that only gets used as needed. Like my setup in my video here, I would power your fader controller and video monitors from the cart source, because if you're breaking the bag off, you won't need them anyway. As for the RF distro you plan to add, I'd power that from one of the SL2's DC outputs, that way it's always getting power (like the recorder and wireless). Hope that helps with some ideas. I think that's what I would do. Since making this video I've actually purchased a Zaxcom Nova and Zaxcom Wireless and more recently a Sound Devices 888. I'm also surprised they didn't put a secondary Hirose input (on an $8000 recorder!?) so... I might have to take my own advice with a dummy battery ;) Take care. -Jim
@@HubLocationSound thank you so much for this - that’s a great solution. RF Distro is handled by the SL2 - I think SD were aware of solutions like the one you’ve presented In this set up (it’s a shame but they do allow for for 4 more AES ins as well as a looped through A/B RF source back into the SL2 from say, an additional SRC.
With the time difference (UK)I did knock up this block diagram - basically looking At using the same PSC batt you are using but in conjunction with their 3x in power distro box.
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again you’ve already spent a lot of your time with assistance and I wouldn’t expect anymore help but if anything springs to mind looking at this - would be appreciated.
Best
Craig
@@craigjackson7143 Nice block diagrams. Mine usually look like a sui cide note. I considered the Triple Play for you but the downside to the T play is it switches to the highest source of voltage. I think it'd be more useful if you could tell it which order to use the 3 power inputs. Anyway, even based on your diagrams, I'd still do the Dummy batt input for bag battery and hirose input for the cart power. You'd only need to disconnect your usb and hirose to break off quickly.
Might actually be this one www.hawkwoods.co.uk/Cine/P/LR-05
@@HubLocationSound I totally agree with that - yeah it’s one thing in the PSC literature, they don’t really specify online and it seems to be more of a USA use case product - not many UK people use it.
Well thanks again for the insight - I’ll post an update once I’ve figured it out.
hope your having a good day!
Best
Craig
Looks tippy. Do you use it outside on unlevel ground?
mark pope It’s got a healthy amount of weight at the bottom (gear in the Pelican case) so it sits firmly. Even on uneven terrain, as long as you aim it in a way like diagonally against the incline it has been fine. Since making this video I ordered the larger casters SoundCart offers which have a wheel base wider similar to the base of the larger tires.
this is a setup for higher end stuff.
im looking for my own setup for smaller. maybe $5k price range.
on my jobs its mainly just getting the audio and passing it off to post.
i mostly do small internet commercials and recently doing audio for youtube drama series
Hi, Is a cart required for the work you’re doing? Are you employing a boom-op on your dept? If not, and you’re also swinging the pole, a bag setup probably makes more sense. $5k isn’t much of a budget for an entire rig but there are some solid mixer/recorders from Sound Devices like the MixPre series. I’d start there. For wireless I’d consider Sennheiser G4’s if range isn’t a priority.
Hub Location Sound
Smaller CZcams productions. Maybe 30 people.
And indie films or 2 day shoots.
Here is a list I’ve been slowly adding to
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I actually watched this twice...
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Amazing. If you ever get bored with sound stuff, you could have a second life as a creative inventor or problem-solver.
any utuber can talk abt the display monitor use for
Hi Amir, they are the Blackmagic Duo rack mountable SDI monitors. I use them to monitor what cameras are seeing, also helpful to communicate with boom op on where the frame is (since they sometimes can’t monitor themselves).
what did you pay for all we see?
Jeff Long been amassing this gear for years... I’m afraid to add it all up. You can find pretty much everything shown here in the description if you’re curious.
Omg I just realized why i hate dub step. It just sound like someones stomach reacting to a bad burrito.
mission accomplished 😜
Looks unstable, and expensive. That’s all just 8020 stuff...