The Crew Paints Ethan, We Take A Red Flag Dating Test, We Ruin Howie Mandel’s Life - After Dark
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00:00 intro
2:15 Jimmie Lee x Howie Mandel
11:15 Hila's Shredder Shirt
14:50 Ashton Kutsher's Resignation is Wild
19:55 John Kennedy Reading Fanfic
21:30 Teddy Fresh SALE!
29:15 NEW SQUARE DANCE
40:30 Jojo Siwa Got Roasted
48:30 Eating Veggies is BAD
1:08:20 Jeffree Star vs James Charles & Trisha
1:22:45 Podcast Industry Scammers - Kast Media & Colin Thomson
1:28:40 Tacobell Order
1:36:55 The Crew Paints Ethan Like a French Girl
2:23:10 xQc Got Slammed In The Face w a FOOTBALL
2:24:10 Elizabeth Holmes x Jen Shah Collab in Prison
2:27:20 The Crews Red & Green Flags
3:01:00 Capitalism vs Communism Mega Debate - Zábava
Hila asking if anyone is hungry and Ethan saying no is a new era
😂
1:26:50
Ozempic era
the tables have officially turned
ok drag him 😭
Cam bringing in a doctors note is the funniest fucking thing ever
Hes so pure
such a sweetie
i love him
i love it lol
I freakin love 💕 Cam, and his hair blowing in the fan is perfection
I love Ethan saying that chat and Dan are unrealistic and want a fairytale, while he ends the show saying that he wants to live in a world where there are billionaires that don’t exploit people and the planet…uh…that’s a fairytale, dude.
Well said
Yeah sounds about right 🗿
I hate that a lot of us say if I become a billionaire I will give back to the people I highly doubt that. Once you get into that category people completely change and only care about themselves and more money.
Billionaires are great
LITERALLY. if we forever live in a system where one person rules over a nation, business, etc. workers will consistently be exploited. Greed is the problem and the only way to keep that in check is by not giving every inch of power to a single individual. This is exactly what we're talking about when we say that workers should own the means of production.
just here to say Dan is extremely smart, well spoken, and patient.
No he isn't, you just agree with him
@@topwombleeven if you don't agree with him, it's obvious. He knows what he's talking about and is super patient
Dan has no idea what he is talking about lmao. Bro unironically thinks European countries are not capitalist
@nunpho How? I like Dan but he wasn't ready to be challenged by Ethan with good questions. He refers to Europe then fails to mention any concrete examples, then makes a fallacious argument that because capitalism has only existed for 200 years that socialism makes sense as the next system, which doesn't follow
Dear repliers,
I'm not interested in discourse. I do not care that much.
For those who haven't been watching the pod since the beginning, about every 3-4 years Ethan and Dan get into this huge debate / conversation about whether billionaires should exist. I look forward to the next installment in 2026.
“Greed is good” is the most hilariously self reporting justification for capitalism I’ve ever heard. Just because you think “greed is inherent” doesn’t mean we should have a system that encourages it. Violence is arguably “inherent” in humans too, but guess what? We discourage it, because violence is objectively bad. Didn’t your parents ever tell you to share? To not be greedy? It seems capitalism has brainwashed people into thinking greed is good - now that’s “radical”.
@@On_The_Pissyes!!!!
@@On_The_Pissproblem is, I’m not going to share if the person I’m sharing with isn’t sharing with me. And here in America, we have an entire group of people who will not share and will only take. So no thank you.
@@vexial97 who is this group of people lol
@@bendobendo the non tippers
for the next art segment the crew should create a poem about ethan and we have to guess who wrote what
This is brilliant
This is such a great idea segment !!!
Omg amazing idea
I love these challenges xxx
Chatgpt here I come
Dan knew. His reluctance was palpable. It started and Dan said " Do you really want to get into this right now?"
when in doubt, trust dan.
"Do you really want to get into this right now" He said In a quivering voice, It's all downhill from there, He's not confident or remotely knowledgeable to get his point across. He comes across as abit dim tbh. Clapping like a seal for this Is just tragic, Find better spokespeople, It's embarrassing.
@@davidfredericks5420 strange take
@@davidfredericks5420lol it's quite the opposite. Ethan is asking the most basic of questions because he doesn't approach these with a truly open mind. "I can't see anything wrong at all with Sweden, what's wrong with Sweden?" "Well people criticize capitalism because we're destroying the planet" and then Ethan just glosses over it like he wasn't listening. Then he takes every other point to a straw man's extreme, "So you're in favor of the government's hostile takeover over the internet?"
@@davidfredericks5420 dan is smart and absolutely knows what he's talking about. he doesn't come across confidently here because its very clear that he didn't want to have this conversation from the beginning, and ethan is VERY often extremely uncharitable and closed minded whenever he argues with people, especially in a topic that feels threatening to him like learning how his employees truly feel about their relationship to capital.
Ethan is out here explaining capitalism like JoJo talking about Coleen
Best comment I’ve seen on this 😂😂😂
HAHAHHAHAAHAH
Omg literally 😂😂😂😂
Big reach but okay
hahahahah
Dan is the queen he can't do nothing wrong!
Never seen someone with a million subs and such low views...
@@rebexyydefinitely sus
@@rebexyysounds like a certain friend of the show we know
@@kaitlyns9972 don't push ✌️💘
He just ignored the entire field of statistics, so he apparently can, still love him tho'.
*one of the MANY things I admire about Dan is his ability to participate in a spirited, intense debate and then immediately crack a joke and smile and be friendly and lighthearted again! Ethan, like myself, takes things very personally and gets in such a grumpy mood after debating. Dan is truly the queen!*
THIS
Ethan a classic cancer 😂
stay mad, dan lost lol
@@Snack-Sized-Femboy how did u get to that conclusion? lmaoooo
@@Snack-Sized-Femboy another comment from you: "Kyle Rittenhouse did literally nothing wrong". It's no wonder you'd stand in support of capitalism when you have no problem with minorities suffering.
This conversation is the proof that no matter how nice and likeable a rich person might be they’re still rich and inherently blind to real problems. The rest of all of us are suffering from capitalism and defending it this hard just makes you look so bad to us, let us just enjoy the entertainment without remind us that you are so rich you feel like you have to defend capitalism.
WISE QUEEN 🎉 PLEASE ALLOW ME THE HONOR TO FAN YOU WITH A PALM LEAF 🍃 🌴
agreed
This is crazy coming form a Hispanic, IN Hispanic heritage month no less!
Name a socialist/communist country that is thriving? Look at Cuba and Venezuela and then come back.
PERIOD!
Cry
Ethan and Hila taking it WAY too personal. It’s not about you two, it’s about the millions who struggle and the very few people who keep people struggling.
This right here. They are probably on the side of capitalism basically because it’s the system they got rich in, yet conversely agree on most the merits of socialism.
It’s like seeing your parents flaws but still loving them because they took care of you.
The idea that less people would struggle under socialism or communism than under social democracy is increadibly stupid. Capitalism brings wealth, social democracy spreads that wealth. Communism and socialism are loosly defined systems that have failed when tried and if you want to say that they havent been tried thats not alot better.
@@m8s96you really should try reading a book. There are very successful socialist countries. Cuba has more innovations than the US. They have cures for cancers. They’re socialist. The reason many socialist states failed is because capitalism dominates the entire world, and they put sanctions and fight with violence to eradicate it. The US has violently overturned every democratically elected communist country in the last 100 years. Every single one of them. They fail by force. I hope you’re in middle school or something. Try reading.
@@m8s96 I haven’t said that. I think you’re misunderstanding what most anti capitalists stand for, like Ethan and Hila in this video. Like if you can agree the way capitalism works today is not good then you already have more in common with an anti capitalist than you think.
I love h3 but they are so biased bc they were one of the few who made it. They will always defend capitalism bc they are not like the majority of us.
Can’t wait for comrade Dan to unionise the crew next week
WAN
tbh it would make for a good segment of the podcast
Lethan *facepalm* 😞
Dan doesn’t believe is communism. Communism believes in Dan
Solidarity forever ✊
everytime dan is able to speak at length like this i realize how vital he is to this show lol
too bad its rare due to ethan shutting him up and interrupting 🤦
dan is a QUEEN
Dan is the queen 💕
So vital
@@ryansteffen1452 You're right, Ethan should of sat his white ass down and listened * cue eyeroll.
Dan is a lot like socialism; it's so dysfunctional that the least little competition makes it fail.
unironically dan is a man of the people LMAO ❤️❤️❤️
These cope comments flocking to Dan because they can't handle the truth Ethan is preaching. This is so fkng funny bwahahahahahaha lmaooo
A true working class hero
Dan's daddy is a rich Hollywood exec. Dan hasn't had to work a real job a day in his life.
he said he worked out of high school at an italian deli and went back to school in his mid 20s.
@@powerbottom4971 oops please see "he said he worked out of high school at an italian deli and went back to school in his mid 20s."
Ethan’s issue is that as much as he hates to admit it he likes hoarding wealth. Buying the crew lunch doesn’t make him a philanthropist. If Rhianna is worth $1 billion, taking $500 million away from her and using it to build affordable housing or pay for ppls college won’t hurt her at all. She would still be able to live very lavishly.
But she won't be able to afford her 501 million dollar super plane or business now. Think about Rihanna 😢 (sarcasm) lol
💯💯💯💯💯
Didn’t he give away like $100,000 during covid? And $2000 to a fan a couple weeks ago just bc the fan said, “$2000 would change my life.”? He “hoards his wealth”?? Like what??
Charity is just a way for wealthy people to justify their wealth. On the other hand he can't stand the idea of contributing his income ABOVE 1 BILLION DOLLARS to society because he feels entitled to it? Like what???@@rmtrainer7
@@rmtrainer7He is worth millions, this is the point of taxing rich people. To you that’s a lot of money because you don’t have $100,000 he is worth millions that’s a drop in the bucket for them and a tax write off. That’s why he is so in defense of “single digit billionaires” because he wants to be one. Hence why people say there are no ethical billionaires because you would have to hoarding wealth to get to that point. To Ethan’s point people are greedy so that’s why there should be a 99% tax on billionaires because lord knows they aren’t going to help as many ppl as they should.
ethan getting mad and calling chat all radical communists when its just young angry victims of capitalism who are struggling to eat and pay rent, while ethan is profiting from capitalism is an L. empathy is a virtue
Ethan has never been good at seeing a perspective that doesnt benefit him
Yeah. It is pretty cursed because many of them probably truly are not even communists. Just people being fucked over by the system perhaps even believing in the same wrong ideas that have been fed to them that he believes in and yet he alienates even those people. I mean good for the communists but still
I believe he would want to help those people who are struggling with means tested social programs
as a young person not thriving in capitalism, it’s not an excuse for chat to be
ignorant and get mad at ethan for saying his opinion on his own podcast. Not to mention Ethan is literally saying current capitalism is not ideal.
@@annie-mf6ji It's just weird bc a few years ago he was saying he's a socialist. So I think he brought in that demographic and now he's kinda switching up
Watching them make silly little paintings, taking a break and coming back to a full blown capitalism debate was crazy
@@FreshNews247 hey man im fairly new to the podcast i just thought it was funny no need to get pressed lol
@@s4vce since you’re new, you don’t need to answer this guy lol, he is an obsessed hater who replies to every comment
@@s4vcewelcome to the family ✌️♥️
@@FreshNews247bro you got over 1000 comments on this channel, you know you can stop watching lol
@@misterfrog371 thanks for the tip! Kinda figured it out after i saw his 1000+ comments on the channel lol
Ethan doing an “in defense of capitalism” is a truly 44y/o moment
And what are you 12 and broke?
you people live in lala land
sounds like Ethan is more logical and realistic in his old age.
i agree with dan, greedy people should not be rewarded and running the world, they should be held accountable by the good people of society
Yeah, so if they have the power how do you make them accountable? You know the USSRs elite party members were also psychopaths do you?
Ethan’s point, which is correct, is that greed is part of human nature and not exclusive to capitalism. Centrally planned economies, like communism, create an opportunity for the greedy to seize ultimate power. In capitalism it’s at leased diversified and limited due to competition.
@brendanmassie9586 capitalism is literally designed to encourage, reward and forgive greed. How many financial crises have we had in the country just for those responsible to be forgiven and bailed out and left the victims to suffer the consequences
@@Dooky-mv1by government bail outs are not capitalism, it’s Keynesianism or a “mixed economy”, meaning government intervention. Capitalism, or a free market system, would’ve let the banks fail as a punishment for fraud. Also, it wouldn’t have subsidized mortgages to artificially lower interest rates, causing the bubble in the first place.
@@masterfamclothingco because communism requires central planning. The greedy will attempt to control that mechanism, which is what happened in the Soviet Union.
Hila's ability to paint her husbands face with that shading in all blue so beautifully and casually is pretty damn romantic actually.
I was swept away after that it was so beautiful
It was so good!!!
For real I was in shock how amazing it was in just a little more than an hour!
Seriously, Dan would be an incredible addition to Leftovers, like give that man a seat at the main table. Had no idea he was as politically articulate as he displayed here
agreeeeed!!
I’ve been commenting pretty much the same thing for 2 weeks LOL! I said he should be cohost when Hasan or Ethan can’t make it
Yes!!!
Im not sure if Dan would be comfortable in that position but i pretty much love whenever he adds his comments in leftovers
THEY AINT LETTING MY MAN DAN COOK
Ethan being so ready to look at shredder in the dog clothing piece and then being like:“who tf is this dog“ made me audibly laugh
Had me dyingggg
Dan always on point! Cringe when Ethan can’t let go. Nice of Dan to always give Ethan an out but he never takes it.
Timestamp me one time Dan properly answered Ethan or Hilas questions. Also funny he went "Not everywhere is America dude" one min later "Well I'll only speak on what I understand which is America"
That not everyone who criticises capitalism is a "radical communist", for one. @@bobcarl8119
Right?! Dan the man, aint the queen. LOL@@bobcarl8119
@@bobcarl8119This is an echo chamber bro. Not gonna get anything other than morons sucking off dan despite him being stumped multiple times by the equivalent of 6th grader questions. Dude backpeddaled as soon as he realized he was bullshitting about a socialist country in the EU excelling...
Ethan is more versed in socialism than Dan after just a 2-hour chatgpt session... Dan, like most first-world "socialists" knows nothing about it.
That's the reality. Leftism is just a fashionable badge to add to your "iDeNtiTy".
out of all the crazy unhinged shit that’s come out of Ethan’s mouth, I am truly the most flabbergasted over him saying he believes a person can become a billionaire in an ethical way
I predict an apology incoming after he has read the responses and processed lol usually happens after one of these rants
It’s ignorance. He doesn’t actually want to fully educate himself on it because that requires him to acknowledge that the system that benefits him, hurts most.
Seriously the lowest I've thought of Ethan, easily his biggest blunder in my eyes.
@@GhostBear402who gives a shit?
it depends on the ethical system... not everyone shares your ethics, its not black and white. ethan thinks a billionaire who isnt *directly* ripping off workers is ethical, because theyre not the immediate cause of the shit they create. its like hiring a CEO for your company, let them do the extreme capitalism and youll look ethical to some
As someone who only makes $35k a year (with a college degree and student loan debt) it was wild to hear Ethan compare a $1 billionaire to a $100 billionaire. It’s all the same at that point to someone like me. You can get anything you want at that point. I love the pod and watch every week but major props to Dan on this one.
no seriously how do you manage to lose sight of how much 1 BILLION dollars is? that’s millions and millions times what i’ll make in my entire lifetime (w/ ☮️&❤️)
Wan
i think ethans point is that taxing the ultra rich brings in almost the same amount of money as taxing the very very rich, and it would have much less pushback (which is what ethan means by his ideas being more logical)
healthy political changes happen in steps, you cannot turn ultra capitalist america into communist america without turning it into a social democracy first
I think what he said is fair. Huge entertainers is a huge thing and if they felt threatened they would probably not like it or go for it and it being a corporation versus an entertainer that rised to the top over years monetarily. I just feel like we are more likely to get something going towards that direction if the line was more gradual since we do have a lot of rich and powerful people on this world and what he said about the influence of a single billion to a billionaire or oligarch who can literally sway economies and politics directly is something I can see particularly with what Elon did with Ukraine.
That was his whole point, ordinary people like myself (majoring in physics, but I've learned statistical mathematics a little bit) can't comprehend how rich the ultra rich people are. We're not even mentioning the ones that are so wealthy they can hide it from the public
It benefits Ethan and Hila to act ignorant about their class position. The less challenge they face the easier it becomes to excuse harmful practices and obfuscate their roles as bosses and capital owners. You see it happen with these start-out-small media companies once they blow up, their margins expand but they insist on keeping an "unprofessional" air about them so as to seem down to earth and relatable. Linus did the same thing with LTT, cracked down on his employees numerous times in the past re: wage discussions and other more recent controversies. It's only after they get pressed or exposed that you see they all have the same money-starved outlook and can only operate within the most cynical capitalist mindset, totally incapable of conversational charity.
You are employers first and your foremost relation to your workers is that you sign their checks. Everything else is ancillary. Everything.
100% this. And I love H3, Ethan is one of my favorite creators, but I'd be lying to myself if I said his ignorance on this topic hasn't become incredibly tiresome and frustrating over time. It's obvious that Ethan is arguing for his own self interests. I think because he's such a good person he's a great example of a business owner that doesn't treat his workers like shit, so everybody seems happy and he has zero incentive to believe any other system could work well "if done right." He not only has the luxury of ignorance but also the blindness of being a fundamentally good, generous dude working in ways that are against the system's best interest, and since everything around him doesn't just fall apart because of that, he believes that means there's a version of capitalism that could work. It's just insular logic with none of the objective evidence or facts.
Right. He's constantly contradicting himself here. Recognizes that the capitalism we have is failing and that greed is an issue but is unwilling to entertain the idea of government intervention. Meanwhile praising European socialism for how those governments intervene. It's just annoying at this point. I've heard him argue this same point so many times now yet he never remembers any explanation Dan or Hasan have provided to him.
Well thought-out and written.
Amazing the hard-ons ppl get for ineffective and failed forms of economic structure
yup, and him saying its human nature to be greedy and evil is so filthy and nasty. Terrifies me what he is teaching his children. He has always lived a life of privilege and he cant say he didnt just because he chose to give everything up and live in a shitty apartment with hila for a few years. He is still so far removed from what real life is like for everyone else.
With peace and love I think hila and Ethan being rich as hell clouds their judgement sometimes
It was clear from this discussion and honestly uncomfortable how far removed they are
You are absolutely right, wealth defines our material conditions and way of life, and those define our social consciousness.
But they're right lmao. I don't get how you kids think they lost this debate. There are no good arguments for how socialism or communism works.
sorry but they worked hard for their money. Yes some rich people don't deserve it, flaunt it and look at people who aren't as wealthy as them as inferiors, but Ethan and Hila do have good intentions. I don't believe in this communist crap that everyone deserves an equal pay. Some people deserve to be rich, some deserve to be broke.
@@Spiffo0 if you are like Ethan that dismisses any reasonable and provable argument, then yeah, no way you are gonna listen to the arguments. But don’t worry, history sooner or later catches up.
Ethan Finally lost a debate and it was against the man Dan himself.
The whole crew was sitting there with popcorn listening to Dan and Ethan go back and forth lol
It’s genuinely hard to listen to…. His body language was very intense and honestly disconnected
@@roronoa_raf2201 we love our body language experts! almost as much as lie detectors
@@ReadyEddielicious ok ab. .. stop glazing 😅 jk don’t come for me capitalist
@@ReadyEddieliciousI think that weirdo Martin wants you to talk to him .. the least you can do is reply
loved that debate, conversations like this are way to rare in our polarising world.
Dan is genuinely the best, he explains things so well and is so patient i totally admire it
Dan you have the patience of a saint.
Sorry Hila but Rihanna is def profiting off unethical work practices. She might not be a bad person at heart but she’s not a good example of an uncorrupt billionaire.
And Taylor swift is now one of the leading causes of pollution with her tour
So if your truly about not supporting someone or a company as an entity because of systemic problems that said person or entity has no control over because they exist is said system, why are you here on CZcams, bringing the Google company revenue while content theft and exploitation run rampant on the app/website, then you are contributing to said content theft and exploitation even indirectly by bringing views and comments,so by your logic you should not be on the platform because of your beliefs, or else you are also a contributor to the problem.
@@roronoa_raf2201No. They don't reach that level of wealth due to "average consumers". They reach it by exploiting workers.
@@eriklarson1532 You're doing the society meme. There is no ethical consumption under capitalism, but it doesn't mean you have to forgo all consumption just cause you don't like capitalism. That's impossible and silly.
@@Purpletrident I’m doing the society meme sure, but take that up OP cause my argument lies within the boundaries of her own argument🤷♂️
The way Hila and Ethan got so defensive when their capitalistic statements were met with silence from the crew and disagreement from the chat LMAO. Mad respect to Dan for trying to help Ethan understand.
Hila's company benefits from cheap labor in China, and Ethan is a multi millionaire. Of course they'd get defensive.
@@chrisjackson6149So why are people reacting so strongly? Why were people expecting something different? They are as leftist as any us-american businesspeople can be, we have always known this, I dont understand why people are reacting so strongly
How did Dan try to help Ethan understand when he conceited on every single point and couldn’t explain how they were wrong in what they said?
this, dude backpedaled on everything he said or just went silent and moved on, clown @@averywoolfe5809
Mad respect for Ethan to stand his ground and question the outrageous statements from the chatters. Also, all Dan did was fumbling around trying to find a way forward with his thoughts. He did not explain any solution whatsoever.
Hearing Ian beg to go to the bathroom was the funniest thing ..(while Ethan blithely ignored him because he wanted to defend some essentialist and convenient propaganda about greed being part of “Human Nature”’) …chef’s kiss…
This is the reason I unsubbed. Wish Dan would start a worker co-op podcast
@@TylerRayPittman I also agree that unsubscribing is pointless if we don’t come back to tell everybody we did!
@@CantTellYou I'd subscribe to Dan's podcast. Im sure you NEVER watch or interact with creators you dislike though. Internet trolls are notorious for their consistency and lack of hate watching after all lmao
You kids are seriously deranged. Ethan is the most logical person here.
Dan practically never misses. Truly a nuanced king.
What Ethan misses completely and Dan was a bit shy to point out: NO ONE is gonna get that rich, if they don’t have other people working for you. And that’s why you should compensate your workers a lot more then company’s do now. This podcast wouldn’t bring in so much money for Ethan, if it wasn’t for the crew to put in their work. If it was only Ethan and Hila, Teddy Fresh wouldn’t exist like it does now and the same goes for the Pod. It’s not hard to grapple. Everyone is investing their skills and fucking LIFETIME - why would that be worth different amounts of money?
Dan is the queen ❤
This was my thought the whole time. Like yes both Hila and ethan are very talented individuals but they would not get to the level that they are at without their workers. All the employees at Teddy Fresh (including the textile and clothing manufacturers) deserve to be recognized monetarily for the value that they produce.
And Ethan himself has even said that before! He knows how far the podcast has come with Dan producing, and everybody else's help, but somehow he keeps refusing to connect the dots
But the podcast wouldn’t exist without Ethan. What the workers deserve is subjective and putting a mandate on profit sharing would drastically raise the cost of employment. If I have to give someone profit share then I’m not going to hire entry level workers which would ironically create even more income inequality between the population
Also if those people have a stake in your company that they are working in don’t you think they would care about how the business is doing? If you were given a share of the profits you would work even harder and care even more so since you are seeing the fruits of your labor directly
@@arianathough2070exactly they said that before as well. That if it wasn’t for his well oiled machine with the crew, he wouldn’t be able to have 3-4 shows a week. He couldn’t do it himself.
If the producer thing doesn't work out, Dan is made to be that one cool history teacher that everyone loves cause he swears and doesn't gaf
His history is terrible, the Bolsheviks absolutely thought they were implementing communism. That was a big split between them and the Mensheviks.
@@lauren.sparks nah i love my history teacher
@@lauren.sparksyou're so right. My highschool history teacher had cheerleaders sit on his lap during class 🤢
I wish I had dan as a history teacher instead of the sexist weirdo that taught me 😭
Dan would be such a badass teacher
99% taxes on one billion is still 10 million dollars. Ethan usually seems very intelligent and nuanced on these type of topics, it's really disappointing to see his takes in this episode. It is just silly to me how he defends anyone making that much money. It's been calculated before, it's pretty much impossible to use that amount of money for any single person in their lifetime. Shit man why would you want people to hoard all that money just for the sake of 'i made it so it's mine' knowing that your wealth directly influences or neglects the poverty of others?
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'i made it' no you didn't, your workers did it for you.
But you’re not intelligent or nuanced about the topic so why be upset at Ethan for the same thing?
@@D2.159 i wasn't talking about Ethan specifically, I'm talking about capitalists in general.
I could have SWORN just a couple years ago, Ethan said “billionaires shouldn’t exist”. Please someone find that.
I remember that too!
Love Ethan but sometimes I really feel like he’s been disconnected from where he came from
This current arc where Gabe and Ethan are beefing for no reason is fucking hilarious.
It’s wild that you miss one Friday and you’re out of the loop
@@michaelcobb7154It’s only happened twice I think. Feels like they know the bit is done and they’re moving on without just abandoning Gabe suddenly.
@@FelixDuCat1wait what happened why did they start doing this ?
@@michaelcobb7154what happened to Gabe?
??
Starting this ep describing it as “raw, light, and fun” then ending with an hour long political discussion 😭
Hey now, it might not be the most fun to some but it's super important
I love that in the previous conversation Ethan said he doesn’t really discuss politics then goes on a political rant for an hour straight 😂
Also from the man who just blatantly insisted during the test he took that he indeed does NOT talk about politics...
@@blkkatemossIf he does it once like in this ep does that mean he usually discuss politics?
@dreamless8156 he has a 2 hour long show (almost) every week that's dedicated to politics.
i would love to see this debate between ethan and someone NOT paid by ethan lol
Dan: makes a good point
Ethan: strawmans his point
Dan: what
Ethan: I don't want to talk about this anymore
Ethan: socialism doesn't work and wouldn't work in America
Dan: There are other countries outside of the US lololol
Ethan: Name one country that is socialist and successful
Dan: eeeeeeh.... Sweden?
Ethan: Sweden isn't socialist
Dan: eeeeeeh I would rather speak about the US because I've experienced it
Yeah Dan is truly a mastermind.
@@zw00p16 There was never socialism in Sweden. Sweden was always a capitalist country with strong social programmes. But social programmes aren't ''socialism''. Socialism is the state control of the means of production. The means of production in Sweden were always in private hands and they were guaranteed by private property rights, meaning that it was capitalist. You could always create a business and accumulate capital in Sweden which is not possible in a socialist economy as they are centrally planned and private property is prohibited.
@@zw00p16 Oke but having different education and prison policies doesn't make a country socialist. Socialism and capitalism refer strictly to who controls the means of production and whether private property even exists and is protected by the state. Private property does exist in Sweden and is in the hands of private individuals meaning that the country isn't socialist. So Dan is not correct at all in this instance. Examples of socialist countries are the USSR and its Eastern European allies, North Korea or Venezuela.
And yes, there are some policies which ruin Europe, like mass migration policies for example which Sweden was a big advocate for.
@@zw00p16 I was saying Europe in general. I don't know what's ''yikes'' about a totally normal and basically mainstream opinion at this point that is corroborated by real life examples. In the case of Sweden you had grenade attacks on your police stations, the creation of no-go zone's in certain bigger cities, and riots after a guy burned the Koran recently. But I guess that doesn't get a ''yikes'' from you. Only talking about these problems gets that reaction it seems.
@@zw00p16 No worries man. Enjoy your day.
Sams painting was obviously brilliant but I love the intimacy of Hilas she captured Ethan so well. Especially considering the time spent.
Immediately when I saw Hila's painting, I saw so much love in it... the crew all painted Ethan as they know and interpret him, but she just drew her husband
I just finished art school and every single time I see an artist paint their partner I tear up at the beauty! you can always see the love in the gaze of the painting
She’s been secretly painting him while he sleeps
She probably wakes up to this view every morning.
I loved Olivia's. I had no idea she had any artistic ability so I didn't even guess it was hers. It looks like an illustration from a Newbury Award winning children's book.
you know it’s serious when they go like 20 minutes with no soundbites
Lol so true
I would legit not watch this podcast without Dan.
He's the only reason I stayed, Ethan used to annoy tf out of me esp when I was a Spotify listener
@@D2.159 Ethan is not going to fuck you, bud.
Dan the equator! So glad he spoke out on this...
Ethan: I like to be realistic
Also Ethan: I envision a society in which you can ethically become a billionaire
"People dont want to work" is an insane take. People are working 2,3 jobs to just stay alive. Source all my co workers have multiple jobs and are not getting ahead at all
THIS.
Hurtful
And also there are loads of people trying to get jobs but the process is so wild, and it’s hard when employers don’t communicate with those trying to get the job and don’t tell them they haven’t gotten the job.
its not "insane", its just an overexaggerated version of the objective truth. there have and always will be people who dont want to work, especially since there arent enough enjoyable jobs in the world for every person
And people are more productive than ever. Not only do they work a lot but they’re far more efficient.
Ethan really changed since he took that 5%
LMAOOOO this is the one!!
OMG LMAO
He should have taken more 🙃
YALL IM 😩☠️☠️
😭😭😭
Watching two rich millionaires randomly defend capitalism to their employees is crazyyyyyyy
How?
@@danksoulzdoritosmtwdew5787pretty self explanatory….
DOWN WITH MILLIONAIRES!
Yes eat the millionaires including Hasan
Ethan is the king of taking the least charitable interpretation of someone’s argument and getting super heated over it.
Ok, but it is part of the whole truth as well.
This is kind of a gossip channel, making often fun of people who deserve it.
There are definitely way worse people on CZcams, most of the super popular ones I'd say.
It's not for me to just dwell in gossip but it's actually kind of innocent to just funnily shittalk. Who stresses over it,if you actually have a sound mind and decent reasons for your life decisions.
Not true
Yeah, if it weren’t for the crew I literally would hate his podcast. He’s like a 5 year old who doesn’t realize how transparent he is.
Capitalists get scared when their money is threatened
Kinda reminds me of all the tankies with Ethan’s takes…
Ethan admiring Sam's painting was exactly like the episode of The Office when Michael Scott is admiring Pam's paintings
It’s about time Dan creates a union for the H3 Podcast 😂
The Jewish Ethan should fire Dan asap, red commie piggy
PERIOD
LMAO I was thinking about that the whole time they were talking about it
I bet Ethan would have the Linus tech tips answer to syndicalisation.
"if that was needed, It means I have failed as a boss" 💀
@@riczz4641so happy to see people talking about linus finally
Damn Ethan is squirming... He's talking himself in circles trying to protect greed
These cope comments flocking to Dan because they can't handle the truth Ethan is preaching. This is so fkng funny bwahahahahahaha lmaooo
@@Snack-Sized-Femboywhy are you copy pasting this , touch gras
@@Snack-Sized-Femboythere is no way you unironically typed it out the word “bwahahah.” Yikes.
@@joselazo6840 cope, seethe, dial 8
i think ethan doesn’t realize how much larger a billion is than a million
Dan is so intelligent and well equipped to have debates like they had, Ethan usually does well but i think hes a little blinded by his elevated position in the current capitalistic system
I think that’s partially why he was so defensive. He was mad at that Tim Gurner guy for his out of touch rich guy remarks but then taken aback when the chat was calling him the same. I don’t think he realizes how not relatable he actually is to much of his audience.
@@sarahkat87he's facing the cognitive dissonance of recognizing the capitalistic society we live in is bad for most of us and he's against many of the negative outcomes of such a system, while also knowing full damn well it's working out too well for him to fully embrace changing the system.
"dan is so intelligent"
No. You guys are all equally stupid.
If dan was intelligent he would have gone to med school or become an engineer or something which intelligent people are naturally inclined to do.
Thats why you will amount to nothing.
@@eddierusset he's a soc dem. He wants to restructure capitalism to help the working class instead of some insane revolution where the government controls everything
Really love this comment and the replies so far. His takes are sort of infuriating, as someone who is deteriorating from living paycheck to paycheck
My favorite thing about Dan is that he's such a contrarian, ESPECIALLY with Ethan. His absence would leave a deep deep gap in the show and I hope he feels valued.
True, Dan is the queen
But dan was wrong about everything lmao@@klimentbassev8866
Dan: "Europe has many socialist countries"
Ethan: "Name one lol"
Dan: ................. "idk lol" ..............
Why would he not feel valued. What a weird thing to say
@@cutestronin985 is it?
@@klimentbassev8866 yeah I think he's just being honest about his views and values, but it's not in every workplace that going against your boss is taken lightly. I think it's great that Ethan can handle working with people that say no to him from time to time and challenge him on certain things.
it's honestly refreshing to see ethan be wrong
IK it's been over a week... but it's amusing to think that there's an objective answer here?
When Dan said “we are just talking in different degrees of where the bar should be and my idea is probably farther than yours. But I don’t own a business like you do” in reference to CEOs hoarding profits… damnnnnn
Dan’s ability to explain a topic and ask questions is S tierrr. He should be a professor.
I wish they wouldn’t interrupt him as much, but he did well holding his ground!
Literally
You can explain things well while the thing you are describing isn't something that works.
Bingo. Ethan will just instantly go on the ridiculous anti capitalist = communist. Almost nobody agrees with that. We live in a system where your money can buy shares of a company where you will then earn a percentage of the profits of that company with only your capital. That makes way less fucking sense than working for a company to have a share in that company that pays you a percentage of the profits. This already exists in the super high positions like ceos ect.
i love Dan. he’s so smart and handsome
Ethan has grown a huuuuge left leaning audience and I think he's struggling with the fact that he is a multimillionaire in a capitalist society, and the fans and crew are not. Thank you for speaking up Dan ❤❤❤
It's funny because even if Ethan is paying all his crew 6 figures, he is likely still ripping them off.
Soooooo true. It's a really difficult problem that exists everywhere in society right now
@@415riderss Yes. All profit is theft.
I like Ethan and he is leaning more left everyday, but he CLEARLY doesn’t understand economics. He conflates anti capitalist with anti money. You can still earn money, but we workers just want a fair share. If wanting a comfortable life for the average human makes me radical, then so be it
@@starfire4302exactly. His perspective stems from a foundational misunderstanding of how Socialism manifests. It's really not that radical
Ethan saying that billionaires should exist is very much because he is a millionaire.
Let it be known Ethan likes capitalism because hes in a comfortable position to do so. If he was suffering in poverty im sure his take would be different. Politics and environment have a part to play in each other
I’m sure Ethan probably pays the crew well but it’s interesting to think about how he feels about Capitalism and the concept of profit sharing with employees. because despite what their job titles are and how exactly they fit into the show, I would say the crew are basically co-hosts. I would never watch the podcast if it wasn’t for the crew and the dynamic, and level of the entertainment they bring to the show and I’m sure a looooooot of viewers feel that way. I wonder if he recognises the true value that his employees bring his business and what the roles they play really are 🤷🏼♀️
That part
mmmmHMMM
Real
@@pinkmenace2452 Thumbs up for the point, although unwatchable is a little strong for my liking. I've always enjoyed Ethan and Hila as hosts, and I genuinely think Ethan is a great guy. But Dan and Hasan will always be my kings when it comes to politics.
fr the workers generate the profit, this cast is an example and so is every factory and workplace. McDonalds would never be successful or big without the workers
Basically, give Dan a raise.
Comrade Dan should unionize the crew against his capitalist overlord Ethan Klein
Basically, give the crew a percentage of profit share!
With how much almost the entire crew is now essentially part time hosts, they do deserve more than "higher than industry* standard" as they put it.
I’d watch his podcast
Tbh every crew member should be able to afford a house in their mid 30s by this rate. Idk how much is their salary but Ethan should pay up
I think Ethan & Hila need to own the fact that they are extremly wealthy and that this fact may cloud their judgement on capitalism. Most people don't live in a multi million dollar home in LA. Dan hit the nail on the head when he made the distinction that he is not a business owner. That is what's driving Ethan & Hila's worldview. The billionare argumnet by Ethan was so painful, most people will never see 1 million dollars, now take that and times it by 1,000 to get to a billion.
shout out to dan for his wisdom and handling that last conversation so gracefully
Ethan has no idea how valuable Dans mind is for this show to operate.
I mean, he hired him
But at the same time, Ethan thinks he adds so much more value to the company as the owner because he started it. I mean he appreciates them, but why does he deserve sooo much more money than them? He also is a good boss, but what about the Ryan cavanaugh types? They have money and exploit ppl, for what????
He absolutely does and he says how much he appreciates the crew all the time let’s be real
@@DonnieLouis I'm sure you have way more important issues to worry and attend to than worry about how much the crew makes. Don't be daft. You know damn well the crew gets compensated well for their worth. We've seen time and time again how generous Ethan is as a boss.
@@DonnieLouisWtf he acknowledges that all the time
I'm totally down for more arts and crafts segments on the show. They're always fun.
It’s fun to see people doing group activities and the conversations that come along with it, it’s comforting just to have something playing with group segments like these 😊
Agreed I love seeing the crews creative sides, ian and sams paintings were awesome❤
@@FreshNews247bro stop watching if you don’t like LMFAOO
@@FreshNews247dude you’re responding to every single comment on here with this shit. sounds like you may be a fan after all 🧐
I'd love to see a crew member guess too. Fun concept
disappointing to hear Ethan say it's fine for evil billionaires to be greedy bc it's natural to be greedy, and saying it's fine and nothing can be done to fix that
Listen to the conversation again 😂 he said the opposite.
No he didn't. He justified the existence of billionaires "because people are inherently greedy", and "it's going to happen whether we like it or not".@@danksoulzdoritosmtwdew5787
@@danksoulzdoritosmtwdew5787 nope, he literally said "it's human nature" while Dan said lets make a system that doesn't encourage it
the point is trying to discourage something that's human nature will not end well. saying something is human nature isn't agreeing with it, its saying its inevitable which it is. Its impossible to change it. @@rporta
@@dre27321 the point Dan and everyone else is making, is that just bc it's human nature to be greedy, doesn't mean we gotta support a system that greedy take advantage of and ruin people's lives with, idk why support those people by defending them
Ethan gets soooo butthurt when people are smarter than him
It's wild that billionaires can even exist when we live in a world where most people struggle just to get by such as working 2 jobs including myself just to afford rent
Working three currently….. it’s fucked
Move out of California or what ever coastal mega city you're living in. You can get a good job and cheap rent with fresh food in the USA easily.@@ArielyGarcia
Yet you pay for membership to h3h3. Save your money bro.
They should not exist period and would not if they had the checks that ethan kept talking about that’s the ironic thing . They wouldn’t if it wasn’t for exploitation of their workers, or using the global south for resources and worker. And it’s crazy that millionaires think they are even close to getting to the level of billionaires that they defend that type of wealth hoarding and even think that can happen without being unethical.
There are companies buying up houses left and right. Soon homeownership will be gone and rent prices will be up to them as well. And these same companies then lobby and give money to politicians against people wanting affordable housing, a livable wage, unionization protections, ect.
They have so much money they pay to screw people over. Impacting our society. Squeezing every dollar out of the working class.
They have to much wealth. It’s corruption and greed and it’s not something we should be promoting.
Dan massive W at the end. Ethan is soooo close to getting the point. Every trait he wants to fix is a socialist trait, yet he wants to stay in a capitalist society where only he benefits in the end. The rest of us aren't millionaires, or even people who have thousands. And i don't think he fully understands what hes even talking about anyways.
It's disgusting to see people make so much money and waste it on frivolous lawsuits and dumb bits instead of donating it or working towards systematic change for us all with that extra money. One person can't solve the issues but if all of these celebrities with $1million+ actually stopped hoarding the wealth the United States would be much healthier.
if you don't think you have benefited from capitalism you are just wrong.
@@justingamroth9396 I make less than 25k a year. The cost of living for a single adult in the USA is 35k as of this year. Unless you come from generational wealth you are fucked under capitalism. I don't care about all of this variety of choice if I have no money to purchase anything. I'd rather be able to buy 10 items and actually have healthcare.
Dan is showing how educated he is. He’s so eloquent when he speaks
The "socialistic traits" you like doent tend to produce economic growth though. Thats why you need capitalism
ethan “i think people should be compensated fairly and be able to afford homes”
👁️👄👁️
* the entire crew compensated by ethan who cannot afford homes*
The only way we move forward is through conversations had towards the end of the show, I hope you guys continue to have them. Dan you are SO eloquent
I loved the conversation between Dan and Ethan at the end please don’t get discouraged from having these convos
Agree !!!!!
Agree 100%. I disliked seeing his IG posts saying he's less interested in having these seeing the negative responses afterwards.
Thing is his opponents will always be loud while those who agree with him just sit back and enjoy the shows. Sometimes they'll show their appreciation but the loud opponents will suppress with downvotes and dogpiling.
Me and my buddy had this convo over pancakes a month ago, it’s really interesting I’m more on the Dan side but I can appreciate Ethan and everything he’s saying
@@Bradda I checked the subreddit after that episode and saw a *ton* of people supporting Ethan (rare btw)
It was probably a 70/30 split in his favor. Not that I’d expect him to have much time on his hands to want to/be able to scroll through it all
Lol Hila thinking Taylor Swift and Rihanna are completely ethical in their billionaire status while ignoring the child labor they use to make the merch they sell. Classic.
Right? Like these people don’t have employees lmao
because hila is the same as them
That's because she profits from cheap labour as well by producing TF in global south.
Thats because she benefits from unethical labour herself - but its fine ! healthcare and education for all, except for African and Asian children
People like that have almost no control over stuff like that though.. They are the business themselves, and they are run by others. If you trace every little thing a business does back to the source, nothing and nobody is completely ethical
This is the single most frustrating L Ethan has ever served himself. Corporate profit is theft, capitalism is a global scurge and I have no idea how he is defending it with a straight face. I look forward to seeing him better himself.
He defends it because he is part of the capital owning class. It’s sad but at the end of the day the guy is a business owner
You can't answer any of his questions either because you've done even less research than he did with his chatgpt session. None of you can answer even basic questions.
Late watching this but seems like Ethan and Hila are so defensive because they won’t allow themselves to think about the fact that their wealth might come from the exploitation of workers somewhere down the chain, even if they don’t see it themselves. Also Dan has the patience of a saint, Ethan was so stubborn and unwilling to budge.
Petition for Dan to host leftovers
I need a full leftovers ep w dan. I love any time he chimes in abt politics
100% He needs more airtime
Real
yeah hasan and dan
Omg that would be everything!
No one becomes a billionaire without underpaying and exploiting other people. Using rihanna as an example is silly because she literally has a fast fashion company. I wish ethan would just say capitalism benefits him but there are still huge flaws under this system.
Pretty much all super rich people got that way throughout exploitation, corruption, and screwing over the people who make the company money
He did say it benefits him?
Billionaires shouldn't exist
Dan needs a raise and his own show -- no more ethan and Hassan we want Dan and Hassan
not hasan lmao
@@zw00p16 I cant watch it either, its insufferable
yoo that would be so sick
Yeah, heaven forbid someone disagree with socialist circle-jerks
Being from the Caribbean (Puerto Rico to be exact) and hearing Ethan say greed is human nature was extremely tough and hurtful. A lot of points were too, but that really hit home. Lethan, wack ass take. WDan, Dan is the queen. Much love to my Caribbean brothers and sisters ❤️ ✌🏽🇵🇷
What does you being from the Caribbean have to do with the fact that human greed is inevitable when we are given power lmao
@oliviadoyle6129 Colonialism and neocolonialism. It's not human nature to colonize, enslaved, murder, and exploit other people and their lands for greedy personal gains, like the European colonizers did with the Caribbean and the rest of the Americas. All of that was fueled by capitalisc greed and zero regard for human life. The Caribbean is still suffering today with corrupt governments, problems on growing their own food due to cash crops, and housing issues due to rich people buying out homes to build Airbnbs and have cute beach houses. Those buyouts result in an unaffordable cost of living and the gentrification of the native people. Greed is not human nature when placed in a position of power or in any position, It's pure, unreformed, and selfish capitalism at its finest.
Getting defensive because the chat is feeling like capitalism isn’t the best option and calling everyone “radical communists” because they are hopeful that there’s a possibility of a better way to organize society feels pretty unfair.
Hats off to Dan for being so gathered and even.
Just because you don’t believe that large scale change is realistic, Ethan, it doesn’t mean that everyone who does is less thoughtful
I mean he just disagrees with you dude. And if you think the entire system of capitalism (used throughout all of europe and america) should not just be checked and balanced in a social democratic way, but entirely upended and changed, you are radical. Just own it.
💯
@@frederikskovdal not what I said. I think the change could be gradual somewhat akin to what Dan was saying. But if your reaction to people saying “we want something better” is to be snappy and defensive and if you think any change is radical it sounds like you’re afraid of change and acting out of fear.
@@frederikskovdalhow can you type with a boot that far down your throat?
@@uncleboatshoesI think he's just burned out from all the criticism the pod gets on a daily basis. It probably gets to a point where even a mild criticism gets really annoying. A conversation with one person is one thing but if hundreds of people
are critiquing you it's a different dynamic. He should probably take a bit of time off twitter and reading the chat.
You can tax Elon’s 250 billion worth by 99% and he would still have 2.5 billion dollars, idk why Ethan thinks that’s such a crazy idea
you cant tax his net worth like that... 90% of his wealth is in assets, its not income. you dont owe tax on the income you earn on an investment until you sell it, which is why realistically you could tax him on like 2-3 billion of income annually
@@Kerttis this is always brought up as a point of difficulty to tax billionaires but it’s just a loophole for billionaires to retain money
Billionaires will take loans against their shares, as a way to go around taxing their expenses used
If billionaires are able to utilize their shares like that for their own expense, then we need to get in another convo on why it’s so easy to circumvent that
Just because the system is set in this way, it doesn’t make it impossible to change
I think he didn’t find it a crazy idea completely but was mainly saying that to tax someone 99% for having a single 1 billion dollars versus 250 billion is not as reasonable and that’s why he listed off entertainers who are worth almost a single billion.
@@alyxskyler yeah totally but let’s say you tax a 1 billionaire 95%, super high right? They would still have 50 million dollars! That’s unfathomable money for most people and I don’t think Ethan gets that
I also understand him wanting to classify Elon Musk and Beyoncé as different stages of being billionaires, and yeah Elon is probably worse, but Ethan is being naïve to say Beyoncé or Taylor swift aren’t also exploiting people while “just having” 1 billion
@@Kerttis Right, so we should just tax the businesses.
I'm 58 years old Mexican woman I love your pot cast, and your clothes is really fun! My daughter and me always whach you guys !
the sweetest
You're old.
Ethan: “here’s the Trisha Paytas thing”
Hila: “I don’t care”
😂😂😂
Hila’s shirt is so sweet. Sam did a great job with it (AND her painting). Honestly is there anything that Sam CAN’T do? She’s so talented.
WAM
who's sam :/
SAMILY
wait who is Sam?
A good way to illustrate the difference between millionaires and billionaires is though a time scale: A million seconds is 12 days.
A billion seconds is 31 years. I hope Ethan can see this or an explanation like it.
I'm sure he has. It's very common.
@@momerathsoutgabe-mt1gcthere are a lot of common things that Ethan has been surprised by/hasn't heard of before.
Even the difference between 1 billion and 100 billion should be stark to him based on that. Still boggles the mind
Ethan going from calling himself a socialist to spouting baby brain reactionary takes about hUMaN naTURe
But he says Black Lives Matter!
ethan is waking up
Only babies here are the ones advocating for socialism.
Dan is so well spoken, Dan is the queen he can do no wrong ‼️
Hassan said everything in so few words: “I would never bring this up to Ethan because it goes directly against his best interest.”
It's in everyone's best interest to have a heart
Love Ethan, but man he takes some things super personally. I hate capitalists, but I’m talking about the mega rich, those influencing politicians. The ones advocating and benefiting the mega wealthy
What a stupid comment to make about a co-host who is a social democrat.
@@mattH3ew Even renowned economists wouldn’t agree with your statement. It is not an exact science.
When did he say that?
dan really put his whole bussy into this ep, loved the ending and would love it even more if dan was on leftovers when hasan is gone. just give the people what we want
his whole bussy 💀
His whole Dussy
i would actually watch leftovers if dan would do it lmao
this is the most pride minute coded phrasing and I'm 100% here for it. Of all the ways you could've expressed that appreciation... 😂
@@RealElongatedMuskrat just gotta appreciate a class conscious king when he’s serving/slaying
3:16:06 Dan was literally “you really want the smoke?”
ethan truly broke my heart with this one. dan start your own pod
These cope comments flocking to Dan because they can't handle the truth Ethan is preaching. This is so fkng funny bwahahahahahaha lmaooo
What a nerd
@@Snack-Sized-Femboyloser
please expand on the "truth" ethan is preaching, dummy @@Snack-Sized-Femboy
what truth lmao@@Snack-Sized-Femboy
I love watching Love become obsessed with all the American foods. His faces when he’s talking about it is just so priceless. And him and pregnant Hila getting excited about food reminds me of Kevin and pregnant Pam in the Office
Im an Aussie and US fast food is so interesting as well as just supermarkets. Its so entertaining going in and basically EVERYTHING is different yet the same? So strange but its so fun
He's such a foodie!
he will be a fatso in a few months
If love keeps up this US fast food diet he might look like Kevin 🙊
Omg definitely kevin and pregnant pam vibes!!!!! Love them
I appreciate Dan’s perspective. Thank you Dan for speaking up!
Dans opinion is fucking dumb he doesn’t understand European “socialism” at all
please dont get discouraged to have more ethan and dan discussions/mini debates, i loved hearing both speak their thoughts
it's insane to me that ethan says under communism the "psychos will rise to the top" as if the psychos are not already at the top under capitalism.
The difference is that communism is presented exactly as a solution to that problem, but somehow ended with the complete opposite of that (kinda went a bit genocidy literally everywhere it was implemented with lack of freedoms on all the basic rights, not sure if it up your alley, but you do you), on the very first steps towards attaining the goal of a communist society. Again, no communist society has ever achieved even tiny bit of their goal.
There's difference between being a psycho in a system with various checks and balances, where you don't have complete control of society, and a society where a psycho runs the country completely unchecked, which will eventually happen because you need centralized control to keep things organized, including control over press, again, probably something you probably don't mind, i respect your decision to support genocidal regimes, but that's not something most people would want to experience, me included.