The Importance of Skillspeed / Spellspeed - FFXIV
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The fact that BLM and SMN want different spell speed tiers makes optimizing caster gear hard. I ended up just making all my melds and gear suited towards SMN with the knowledge that my BLM will be hindered. I wish there was a way to obtain several sets of identical gear to meld them for different jobs. I don't raid with BLM so it isn't a big deal, but it sucks knowing that I can't increase my spell speed without it messing with my SMN as well.
yea i know the feeling, i "main" GNB at the moment but when I raid on warrior for TEA i need to change almost all of my melds to not miss out on +-700 dps
so it's really shit having to change every time if you want to deal optimal damage
hopefully they make it so you can change melds on the fly or something like we have glamour plates, one can dream
Yeah I hate this specifically for Tank roles.... GNB, DRK, and PLD..... Rip
Right? ... So I've stopped leveling Red Mage since SS/DHit isn't really good on RDM/SMN. :-(
Really frustrating...
There is. But its pretty tedious getting the gear. BLM just uses the opposite of everything a smn would use for comfy sps.
the program on rdm min recast is sadly 2.32 so i can't enjoy with ss
Don't tell ppl this, i like buying SKS materia at dirt cheap prices lol.
I love this video. I would get a headache trying to explain to people it's not always about crit.
This is why i play nin and skill speed on nin is a meme
So is my gear ;-;
As a SCH i lined up my spell speed with my statics NIN. My chain stratagem lines up perfectly with every other trick attack.
This isn't a video i was expecting to see. Its funny how needed Spell/Skill Speed is and yet people avoids it like the plague under the mindset it doesn't increases damage which in all fairness technically is true. What people can't understand is it allows you to hit repeatedly faster doing more damage in the long run.
Yep this. Same with healer Piety, it lets the healer cast an extra AoE or expensive emergency heal a few times more in an encounter, which can make or break a pull.
Uhhh it actually is useless for smn and rdm
Ikr. I am getting shamed in my fc for maxing my summoners spell speed on the new amazing manderville weapon. Being able to bring up bahamet and phoenix is so nice.
I like the idea of faster casting so I'm aiming for that right now just to try it out.
definitely gonna try spell speed on red mage to get those perfect returns!
From experience, DON'T. Spell speed stacked high enough on red can actually break the rotation making the melee combo useless whilst simultaneously doing way less overall DPS due to not having the big hitter finishers of that combo.
@@Spritus3241 i was joking
2.4GCD for those delicious smooth 4x Atonments during FoF
Wait is this a thing??
@@savonmcleod7265 search for Atonement Shifting. Basically you wait out the 3rd Atonement of your off FoF rotation, activate FoF on Goring Blade followed by the Atonement to end up with 4 within one FoF rotation.
@metalfaust19 It's tech since Atonement's stack design allows to use it 3 times within it's duration and it intentionally breaks combo strings so the "Atonement Shift" technique's idea is to finish the first Goring Blade combo within FoF followed by the 3rd Stack of Atonement you kept.
I've noticed all the classes I play either need no speed or very little boosts
I ain't giving up my 100k xenoglossy crits that the crit and DH materias give.
hi! so 2.38 is best for war? good to know...gonna try it out..ty
Would Blue Mage benefit the most from stacking spell speed because they don't really do weaves? I stacked a ton since I normally heal in Blu parties and it really feels like it makes more of a difference than a pitiful amount of crit/det
i've heard some people say blu scales pretty well with sps because the reason you mentioned, but i haven't really played it enough or done enough research on it to say that is a fact
YES. I took BLU to 60 in 5.35 and did some hilarious stuff with it. Can comfortably assist a dps/tank/healer friend (they just go HAM with DEEPS 😄) in Stormblood content in the overworld (60-70) with crowd control/damage, and Shadowbringers content (70-80) with cheese stuff like Diamondback tanking with Mighty Guard, or healing with Mog Cure. TL;DR, *spell speed.* It allows you to churn out more *utility,* which is BLU's strongest asset. 💙
full skill speed reaper goes brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
How do you figure out the optimal skill speed per class? My main is Samurai and it feels like it works best between 1500 and 2kish skspd but right now I'm playing with my numbers.
sam is a special case, because they alter the rotation depending on how fast you go (with the reintroduction of hagakure)
but in general i just head over to the balance discord as the people over there spend allot of time finding the optimal rotation and thus also finding how much sks is required to execute said rotation
@@IlyaDalamiq Thanks a lot :) I just joined.
where do i see the numbers on my character sheet?
Where do I go to find the optimal ss stat for each class ?
the Balance discord would be the place to go ^^
discord.gg/thebalanceffxiv
eh, I'll just stick with my 2.48s on MCH and stack the shit out of crit and det
So...pretty much Skill Speed reduces recast timers? Spell Speed reduces cooldown timers? I still don't get what each of them does. I'm looking for a way to reduce gcd recast because I don't like standing there for 3 seconds waiting to use my next gcd.
they both do the same thing, make your GCD faster
but sks is for physical jobs and sps is for casters
@@IlyaDalamiq that makes perfect sense I didn't think it was that simple tbh. Thank you
The less ogcd's you have, (Excluding pet jobs) the greater skill speed becomes as well. NIN/SAM/MNK/BLM obliterate things with max SS in late tiers of an expansion. Lol
It sucks during the early game because thats when I REALLY want it but can't get alot lol
early game also just sucks cause you don't have that many skills to play around with D:
@@IlyaDalamiq Exactly and autoattacks do no damage in this game lol
@@TigerTT depends on the job you play, if you're a caster then yes, auto attacks are very weak, but for physical jobs your auto's are a big part of your damage
Can you give the link for the job speed and the gear tracking site?
ffxiv.ariyala.com/
How about 1.19 instead of 2.38? Hoho
One rather stupid question. But let's assume for a second that your latency is so high that you can't double weave without clipping even if you play with 2.48 GCD.
If I were to optimize 100% for single weave, should I invest on higher skill/spellspeed or just use the same BiS set?
if you can't double weave because of latency then it would be best to go after that ideal sks/sps
Really well said ^^
I'll stick with my 380 base SS on BRD and have 3800+ while still having 3k DH and 2200+ Det. lul Rotation works perfectly there including dot re-application
Lul sks. I play dragoon. 2.49 boys
Sps hm? *laughs in RDM*
*Spell Speed is easily the best stat for SMN.*
to much spell speed will make it hard to impossible to double weave without clipping and that is something you want to avoid at all costs
Optimal at 0
What is it for pld? I'm floating about 2.43 lol
2.40 is the comfy gcd
also friendly if you want to pick up other tanks (not warrior though)
@@IlyaDalamiq thank you! Appreciate it, subbed btw, and liked. CZcams red if that means anything lol
Yeah but tenacity is a cooler stat
The explanation on marginal stat value at the beginning was terrible 🤦
You could also actually show a comparison among the 3 skillspeed tiers at points where they diverge (hint: like in the preview image), not everyone can follow a 3 minute rotation and notice a 3 second difference from something that happened 6 minutes ago. Those who can don't need to watch this.
good point, i'll keep it in mind for the next one ^^
Some nuance:
1/ Crit does not scale "exponentially". Exponentiation does not mean "more x --> more y", every goddamn manner of growth satisfies this condition. Exponentiation means "same deltaX at higher x-values --> bigger deltaY". 1 point in skillspeed at 3000 skillspeed is more valuable than every point of the 3000 that came before it, certainly more than 1 point of sks at 1000.
This is *not* the case for Crit or DH. They each confer the same deltaY increase for every point allocated. In this mathematical sense, they are linear functions: invest x amount and you get y benefits, 60% of the times it works every time.
2/ Speed is the same on the surface. Each point in speed decreases your gcd by 0.03 seconds.
The real difference between these stats appears when you consider the opportunity-cost of spending each point. Getting a bag of grape when you have a vineyard at home doesn't yield as much value as, say, getting a cup of ice cream for the same money.
+1% Crit is the same marginal increase, but its relative value is very different when you have 30% Crit rate vs. when you have 99%.
The more Crit rate you have, the less valuable each point is worth because you could be spending it on something else that yields more of the underlying value.
For what it's worth, I'll also point out that crit-damage works the same way: +1% crit-damage is more valuable at 100% than it is when it's already 150%.
This additional benefit merely puts Crit ahead of DH in terms of scaling.
Speed is unique. The laws of diminishing returns actually flips and works in your favor: -0.1s is smaller of a value at 2.5s gcd (-4%) than it is at 2s (-5%), and more so at 1s (-10%). So on and so forth. Each point spent in Speed makes the following investment more worthwhile.
Despite Speed being the best scaling stat, we don't stack 5000 of it because of two reasons:
1/ Speed only affects GCDs and therefore only playstyles that heavily depends on GCDs benefits from it (BLM being a prime example). The more prominent your offGCDs are, the less desirable Speed becomes (up to the prime example of SMN).
2/ Speed scales well, but what does that *mean* ? It means that if you have an infinite ability to invest in one thing, choose speed. But we don't have that luxury; we only have about 7000 stats to throw around. Without an investment, you may not get to the point where 1 point of speed has grown enough in value to dwarf everything else. Since our resources are limited, the name of the game is opportunity-cost.
That leaves skillspeed in a very bad place, you don't want any of it until you have a boatload of it. Fortunately, it has another use: GCD synchronization. Spending 500 points in speed may yield less raw value than 500 points in Crit (at their present levels respectively), but the bonus benefit of synergy between your GCDs and buffs and offGCDs more than makes up for it in some cases.
@@vdinh143 Crit does scale exponentially because it increases both the chance and the damage at the same time.
Nobody gives a fuck about trick attack or divination outside of baby's first raiders who can't handle true optimization.
my spell is 2985 so far on that will put my casting timer for smn 2.24. i will never mt with a dmg set. i love tenacity too much (3.2k at the moment)
My smn soul cries in pain
@@somnus970 every smn soul does... in pain and agony
Someone suggested that i replace my spell speed materia with DH on my Rdm gear... my dps went up noticeably. I kinda wish square would just standardize spell speed so job rotations could be adjusted for balance instead of players trying to use a formula to derive a point of diminishing returns for it.
I know this is an old post but please no more homogenization, it's slowly hurting the game
attack speed - GCD management is increasingly annoying. I hope 6.0 does away with it entirely having all casts, and GCDs be a set amount at all times. Then haste buffs like NIN atk speed mudra decreases GCD by a certain amount etc.
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Funfact: sks is only viable on tanks, especially on warr/gnb and a little bit on DRK.
EVERY OTHER CLASS is fine with no extra SKS melds. There it´s just personal preferance (i.E. BLM High Crit Build VS Speedbuild) and/or convinience.
Sooooo in reality... sks isnt that important at all. One Classtype gets something out of it right now. BUT if u want to also play Paladin with the same Tank Gear.. well uré basically Effed... cut Pallys dont give a sh... about sks at all.
I respect the in dept review of that one Warr Rotation and all.. but pls be realisitc and stay with fac´s. and Fact is, right now Crit is the stat to go. period.
The optimal Samurai set actually uses a pair of skill speed melds in order to hit a SKS tier.
Every job in this game wants to hit a certain sks/gcd tier so that their rotation will flow
Some want very little to none, other wants allot, what is important is that you get the right amount
I never said you should stack sks, but you should get enough to the point that your rotation fits