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0:00 Intro
1:49 Is MH3 a commander set?
5:36 Primal Prayers
12:06 Phlage, Titan of Fire’s Fury
15:53 Tamiyo, Inquisitive Student
22:37 Flare of Duplication
27:30 Ulamog, the Defiler
31:55 Necrodominance
37:06 Medallions
40:29 Ral, Monsoon Mage
44:24 Nadu, Winged Wisdom
48:34 Harbinger of the Seas
53:03 Powerbalance
56:31 Birthing Ritual
59:07 Shifting Woodland
1:04:59 Outro - Hry
You can complain about a million things with WOTC like their greed, their corporate culture or the way they treat anyone outside of the C suite as garbage. BUT I do find it a little ridiculous that people are criticizing this set for being lower on power level than MH2 after they spent 2 years whining about Urza's Sage, Ragavan and Solitude. WOTC listened and cranked it down a peg at the top end of power level... that is what people wanted after MH2... and now they get criticized for it.
the cycle continues.
I just like that it’s magic ip and not universes beyond
I think the issue is that the people who were complaining about all that stuff stopped playing or changed formats - I know I did, and more than a few people I know sold up entirely-, and its only the people who were on-board with the new design who stuck around to talk about it now.
Agree. I love MH3!
People like to complain.
“Moderns going to rotate” Richard says while calling every card trash
yup.... every week is like "Man, the powercreep is out of control, holy shit... but everything is unplayable garbage" they just can't decide.... hahahah
LOL can't lose when you're playing for both teams
Ur average mtg goldfish experience
in time you'll learn to not take richard seriously kekw
@seilaoquemvc2
The problem most players have is that this set is just disguised to pump out more commander product and the dilution of MtG. It shows WotC doesn't really care about modern.
Yes, as modern players, we complain about the psuedo-rotation brought with MH sets. But they have set the expectation that MH will provide a new experience to modern.
A lot of modern players were hoping for new archetypes to play since we're so sick and bored of the evoke elementals & Yawgmoth. Only archetype happy about MH3 are Troj variants
I think we need a podcast for each day 😂
One other big difference with Necrodominance is that it comes with a personal Rest in Peace. Necropotence only exiles on discard, Necrodominance exiles when anything goes to the graveyard for any reason.
This! thank you for reading the card.
If you ephemerate Ulamog, it sees itself in exile and enters with 10 counters and annihilator 10.
O-O Damn XD
And then it still dies to any board wipe and with so many tokens available dies with little cost to most single target removal as well... is an okayish card which becomes better in specific decks but gets rekt easily by lots and lots of decks these days.
Im gonna say Ulamog is nearly unplayable in most situations...
@@thatepicwizardguy saying it dies to most board wipes applies to all creatures. What are we supposed to retire them altogether just like when Magic first started? Are they just obsolete? Be realistic. Control will be conteol no matter what the fuck you play.
@@PsychoDiesel48 it doesnt apply to old ulamog for one, with regards to board wipes, but even targetted removal, its often setting up a multi card combo to set up with annihilator and sure they may have to sac some lands and be behind, swhen they solitude it theyll have to sac the solitude and a land for control, but most decks can sac 2 lands to get rid of your wincon you spent multiple cards on and like, be happy with that, and thats a worst case for them, compare it to atraxa, where you drew an entire new hand, or griselbrand, where you drew an entirely new hand, so if they answer it theyll need another the next turn, and the next turn, and so on. setting up a 2 for 3 just probably isnt game breaking for it over its competitions in combo decks, is the gist of what he was saying. its not that atraxa survives a supreme verdict, its that supreme verdicting an atraxa is not winning you the game, its buying you a turn, if you leyline binding this ulamog, then it did nothing super massive compared to those and youre in a great spot vs that deck
im going to love trying to sneak attack this card and annihilate for 10 and pop off in timeless, but im not going to pretend its better than probably doing the same with a griselbrand realistically.
Source?
I feel like this title is a heads up for one of Richards crazy takes. 😅
I agree with some other people in the comments that we would like more episodes with you guys. Love the show on all the different goldfish channels
Yeah I typically listen to both and I run out of content by around Friday.
These three literally do the podcast every week. Not sure what you guys mean unless you're just asking them to make more content overall. Which would be great of course, but I feel like if they could they would already be doing it.
Two podcasts, commander clash, and multiple gameplay videos + streams every week is about all you can ask out of a content creator
@@captainnermy5608 yeah it's unfortunate. I used to watch a ton of seths gameplay videos and now just switched to strictly podcasts.
The podcasts are so funny! Seth is always ready to go and super positive! Crim always seems slightly annoyed cause he just woke up. And Richard just is tired of magic in general. 😂
Yeah, pretty much this every time. Seth is so optimistic and excited for the future, Richard is a MASSIVE pessimist and says everything is bad because there are potential weaknesses, and Crim has the most balanced takes when he is fully conscious.
Crim really needs a coffee in this one, sounds like he had a long night lol
You don't need brainstorm, you can use drawtwo effects: Metamorphic blast, Three steps ahead, chart a course, faithful mending, izzet charm, see beyond, tainted indulgence.
This is something I feel like isnt acknowledged near enough - chart a course is, dare I say, a wombo combo
I was getting worried when this wasn't in my morning notifications. 😊
Hi guys. It was great to see Richard yesterday at my volunteering location and I hope that he enjoyed seeing all the birds at the aviary!
Lol, and richard is even wearing the same shirt that he wore when he came in.
I'm a heavy modern player, but buying the product for commander
The main difference between the necros is that if your opponent has a removal spell you can still draw 10 off of original necropotence but not with the new one because the payment has to happen at the end step
That title is wild. I hope to see this in the end of year wrap up
Just because a card isn't broken doesn't make it bad.
Just to clarify something on Necrodominance, if someone plays Bowmasters in response to the trigger you can choose not to draw cards or maybe only draw 1 or 2 to look for answers so it's not as bad as they think it is since your opponent cant play Bowmasters to respond to the trigger after you choose how many cards to draw.
I mean, sure, but also that means that bowmasters is just a counterspell for your card, plus they have a bowmasters
@@zacharyenglish2904 How is that a counterspell??? You still have your card on the field and you can use it if you need to. And if you are smart just wait till you remove it and then you can go off with it, Bowmasters is powerful but it's also a 1/1 with no protection.
I’d agree if it weren’t for the fact that it skips your draw step. Say you have 3 or 4 cards in hand. Drop down Necro, opponent flashes in Bowmasters.
Now you’re taking 2 damage a draw, giving your opponent a bigger army token, and skipping your draw step entirely. With it on the field you’ve doubled the damage the bowmasters is going to do from that point on. And you can no longer naturally draw into removal. There’s no “gotcha” moment… But there is you getting potentially locked entirely out of the game
The problem is, what are you gonna do if you don't have removal for it in your hand? You must skip your draw step with Necro on the field, so the only option is to pay life to draw with necro and every card will effectively bolt you, since you pay a life, get pinged by 1 and grow the army by 1. So assuming you're at like ~15 life at that stage of the game, you get to look at like 4 cards before you die.
Idk you guys are giving worst case scenario like that's what's gonna happen all the time and even if your opponents are guaranteed to ALWAYS have Bowmasters which is just false but let's pretend it is the case then don't play Necro out without having fatal push or a grief/thoughtsieze to back it up just like you would play almost any other card that you need to resolve in modern.
Tamiyo + ramp, copy effects, and extra turns. Essentially tamiyo, growth spiral 1, growth spiral 2 by using her -3 and getting 2 to 3growth spiral to 4(return + g mana) to growth spiral again, leave 1 open mana. Then extra turns seems like her goal. She lets you have infinite of the same card in your deck if you use her -3 and you can have her front side and back side out at the same time, and just threaten to -3, kill flip, and be able to -3 next turn again. Its essentially a card that can loop 1 card (such as memory lapse) over and over and over.
I see tamiyo as modern counter spells. And commander extra turns.
Shifting woodlands, copy one ring, tap draw the cards, you keep the burden on the lands but it changes back. So for four mana every turn you have a one ring that doesn't deal you damage.
Would be cool if you don't lose it to legend rule
@@iNCoMpeTeNtplAyS your ring is in the graveyard in order to copy it. so. ya.
Birthing Ritual seems like a fun Against the Odds
The fact shifting woodland can pay for its own ability is amazing
With Mishra’s Bauble new Tamiyo can flip turn 2. I honestly think on turn 3 playing Explore/Farseek minusing to get it back and playing it again is a worthwhile play. 6 Mana turn 4 can be pretty nasty.
Finally an actual magic hot take from the gang 😂
Good morning!
Ugin's labrinth is a soul land that has Imprint 7+mana creature from your hand. That counts as in exile for Ulamog, Defiler so you'll have at least a 14/14 annihilator 7 creature when its reanimated. I think its got a very different use than the other Ulamog where its exile cast matters more.
I remember when all of you called fury trash. I guess Richard is okay with making the same mistake.
The interesting thing about new necro, is that since the paying of life and card draw happens in the same line of text the opp cant flash in a bowmaster in response to the card draw to "get" you. Also another small but key detail where its different than you guys mentioned from og necro is that you have to choose how many cards to draw then immediately draw, you cant choose to later pay life in response to something and then draw at the end of next turn.
Tamiyo and Bauble Turn 1. Crack bauble in opponents turn. Untapped, draw for bauble, draw for turn, attack with tamiyo. Play second land and Crack the clue, flip Tamiyo.
Seems pretty reasonable to flip in modern as well
Necrodominance also shuts off Aristocrat strategies as well.
I have a Yagmowth deck that runs OG Necro and thought I needed this too but it shuts down my loops with death triggers
Im sorry but Crim looks absolutely cooked in this video. I dont know if he just woke up or partied a bit too hard the night before hahaha
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Let a brother live my guy lol
Words. My boy looks slow as hell lol
Greenbelt Rampager is one of my top three favourite cards, I wonder if it will get more attention in Commander with the new combo. So good in Panharmonicon style decks!
Flare of Duplication is a surprise counter spell counter spell.
I'm putting birthing ritual into Henzie. I run ~26 creature's that I'd call unambiguously good hits off of sacrificing a 4MV creature to birthing ritual, which puts me at around 85-90% odds of getting a good hit from it off a 4-drop blitzer, and over 50% chance that I'll get a choice. It's also easy to cast in the early midgame (t4 ish) alongside a blitzer in the same turn. I quite like it over eldritch evolution in EDH for value in my particular build since its repeatable and going into a casual deck that doesn't run combo lines. (I also play pod in that deck too, making room for both)
It's probably unplayable trash in 60 card formats.
Ral might be a great midrange value card on top of the storm gimmick. If you can reliably flip it and -2 that's a huge amount of value right there. DRC already wants you to cast a bunch of spells, so maybe there's something there.
Tamiyo only needs a draw 2 to flip, for example it synergies really well with chart a course.
This set is do exciting to me, because the cards seem powerful in specific strategies. Not much looks format warping.
This set has a lot of cards that are good in modern, but arent good in most current modern decks. Cant wait to see what spike says is good for the next few months.
The only real use I can think of for birthing ritual is that maybe its decent for the info? I wouldnt say its a competitive card for modern but for casual modern or commander, knowing what your top 7 are and being able to shuffle it with fetchlands can definitely be useful. Especially since its only 2 mana and repeatable.
I don't think you grasped how Ral will likely play out.
Either you have him on the board before storming off. In that case he'll flip with (more or less) your second spell. You still want the discount so you +1 him and continue as if you hadn't just flipped a PW.
Or you don't have him on board when you start storming. In that case you'll draw him, play him with storm count 4 or more (now with him 5) and hope with your next spell you flip him for the ult.
And those are the relatively good case scenarios. So I think he might see play there if storm comes back.
Time for engulf the shore to make a comeback! Oh no all my lands are islands call an ambulance but for you
You guys went full boomer for blue magus of the moon. It's fine. Some decks will try it. Not meta braking. Haha
I think what folks are missing about the card too is that many decks can function better with only islands rather than only mountains. You can still stop a win with islands
It's definitely gonna be played a lot. Giving control decks this power without needing red is funny
Harbinger is trash
I think Ral is good in Storm, just not good enough to make Storm a real thing.
T1 Ugin’s labrynth exiling emrakul,
T2 show and tell Nulamog into play with annihilator 12 and +12/+12
I wanna see UG control with Plow Under and Harbinger of the Seas.
I want merfolk to be good but how many 3 cmc card can you actually play
Necropotence doesn't combo with Sheoldred.
Sheoldred plus The One Ring is a great combo, because you're netting 1 life for each card you draw. The same is true for Necrodominance. You pay X life to draw X cards and you gain 2X life.
If The One Ring kills Necrodominance, then Sheoldred definitely resuscitates Necrodominance. Once both are on the table, you're pretty much guaranteed to draw however many cards you want. The only thing it doesn't grant you is protection.
I love the idea of you being on the draw, your opponent plays show and tell, and you drop primal prayers and combo off on their turn...
Ulamog off of creativity style effects lets it see itself for its etb. Its weird as hell but it works as its a replacement effect. 17/17 annihilator 10. Could be good, could be flat worse than archon.
@1:04:00 it doesn't say basic forest, soooooo it works with a lot.
I think static discharge might have legs with flare in timeless burn maybe
My worry about harbringer is that you turn on all the counter magic in the game. I rather take my chances with bolt. Also this doesnt stop show and tell like a blood moon could potentially do
The one thing i haven't heard anyone talk about with necrodiminance is:
How good is it as an ADDITIONAL necropotence?
I belive that would be the where it would be the most likely to find a spot but i dont realy know necro decks so its just a thought.
What 3 drop is merfolk going to cut?
how does the lich go infinite with primal prayers? you have to pay it's cost in energy so unless you have infinite mana to cast him over and over....
you have to pay 1 energy*, so with a card that gives an energy on ETB. like the new one drop its infinite.
What about birthing ritual as a information effect? Just being able to peek 7 deep is worth something. Just by having ways to shuffle like fetches makes this information super valuable, can you imagine every turn knowing what your next 7 cards will be and being able to plan ahead with that information?
When every card in a set is evaluated against a single card (Bowmasters), that might be a sign the single card is overcentralizing...
Ral might be good in krarkashima; nadu in derevi landfall; harbinger of the seas and choke lol
Would you guys be up for talking about the deck weight stuff that got revealed from arena brawl? I think it could be an interesting topic.
Seth. Shifting Woodland is the best payoff for Phage. Let’s get cooking
Flare of duplication is legit. I love that card so much.
My take is that Necro is an attempt to topple Bowmasters towards ban territory
I actually think the opposite. They said last year that bowmasters was a problem and they were going to ban everything around it. That's probably because they wanted it around to keep necro-2 and other stuff from this set in check.
only Richard could say "I think it's going to be like wrenn and six" and use that as an argument that a card will be bad...
Tamiyo make a clue turn 2 then deadly dispute / brainstorm and flip it? I think it might be deece.
Necrodominance combos with Sphinx's Tutelage.
Against the odds incomming? @Seth
While i have a distinct hate for all variations of free spells, the new ones seem "kinda" ok and i am curious if there is a colorless one, considering the heavy colorless theme that is present in the set (devoid in particular).
Bowmasters doesn't stop necro. You pay life and draw x cards in the same effect so you don't pick the number of cards until your opponent already has bowmaster in play. No opportunity for "gotcha"
And now you have a necropotence in play that you can't use. Gg you lose.
still, if you pick 0.... then you're just locked out of the game, I don't think the Bowmaster player will care.
Nope it sets up another trigger so you can flash in Bowmasters after the amount is paid
@@surfinggarchomp2820 no, its all the same effect.
@@zackestin1368 oops, misread the card. Thought it said when you do.
We need to see some content with Shadow of Mortality + Ulamog scam deck.
I don't understand why people aren't looking at a modern Ad nauseum deck with Necrodominance.
Mono black devotion K'rrik deck. You heard it here first
Idk ab some people but im very glad wotc saw how badly modern horizons 1 and 2 power crept the format and decided to tone it down for 3 these cards are by no means stupidly broken like fury or ragavan but they are powerful fun cards and thats cool!
1:55 I think y'all were starting to get it a while back but are again missing the big picture. Modern is the new Legacy/Vintage. Just actually supported, and more controlled, for now. Thus, the commander precon cards slowly flowing into the format.
Close the quotation marks after "hand" instead of "turn" and Nadu is fixed.
I think.
With how it's templated that would make the effect work infinitely, but with some rewording that would fix the card. It might also kill it, but there were a zillion balancing knobs on the card and they turned none of them.
I'd be more excited about MH3 if 1) there were more older cards printed into modern, and 2) there were cards that cleanly answer Ring and Bowmasters.
shifting woodlands is a copy of new ulamog , a copy of omniciense , a copy of yag, no counters and you just need cards that loot and get to 5 lands
Copying new ulamog is just a generic 7/7 lol
Anybalance + Mystic Forge?
I think Necrodominance`s issue is that The one ring exists.
but considering Necropotence`s history, i won`t bet against the card being good somewhere.
Black medallion in modern means you can dismember for free (+4 life)
forget primal prayers, the real energy payoff is amped raptor. crazy strong for 2 mana
flare of duplications "this is good in burn to copy a spell" runs into the issue of what are you cutting for it? a burn spell? then whats the point
ulamog, looking forward to trying it in timeless sneak moon for annihilate value, it will not be good.
whether ral is enough to make storm tier 1 or not, its strictly better than baral is and probably has a good matchup into decks like tron and yawgmoth so.
Storm needs some help - Seth 2024
Still no Storm Crow reprint. Cowards! Wizards fears the sheer raw power of Storm Crow.
phlage looks strong
Haha funny wow commander horizons 3 so original and creative
Funny enough Show and Tell gets creamed by Aluren
I wonder if they will make a MH3 Alchemy set 😂
I am dreading Nadu. Its so ridiculous...
red flare in mill ?
new necropotence could be called impotence
Void rend wins AGAIN!
Necrodominance into Sheoldred..... gain 2 life for every 1 life you pay to draw a card
Modern hasn’t had any thunder to steal for 20 years. MTG is commander. If you play any other format, you do so knowing you’re the niche sub-community.
think richard is wrong on powerbalance
"We're going to focus on 60 card formats, cause we have the clash podcast" thank the magic gods! As a primarily standard/timeless player I'm so thankful to here this. I wish it were the case for every mtggoldfish podcast. Please leave the edh talk for the you cast dedicated to it. That nitpick asside i still Love all your work keep it up! So hype For this set.
I thought they already did this. They'd usually only mention edh as an aside
They say this every time
My biggest hope is that Bolt, Memory Lapse, and Counterspell get reprinted at common or uncommon in this set so that they'll be downshifted from Rare on Arena.
That will never happen IMO
@@starmanda88I think there's some hope given that other Mystical Archive cards got reprinted like Lightning Helix. Helix is obviously a far cry from the other three, but it is a precedent at least.
Fury needs to be unband to control merfolk
I'm willing to be the guy that gives the new necro a 1 star review. It has too many downsides
Crim drunk or stoned ?
I personally think Birthing Ritual will play better than it looks. You guys are too focused on combo decks that need to tutor for one specific card. You can use Birthing Ritual in a normal creature or midrange deck and then it upgrades one of your creatures for free every end step.
I'm not saying it's busted but I'm interested in trying it. It's probably still not good enough because 7 deep is not a lot of looks. If it was digging 10 deep then you wouldn't "whiff" as much.
A 0/3 flyer that creates clues on attack is an amazing floor. Not enough credit given for that.
Primal Prayers is better than Aluren. Aluren is ANY player.
They need to ban bowmaster in legacy and modern and restrict it in timeless. The entire video they kept referencing it as to why cards wont see play. If a single card prevents so many cards from seeing play then it needs to go