How China’s High-Speed Rail Far Outranks the U.S | WSJ U.S. vs. China
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- China has the largest high-speed rail network in the world, spanning over 24,000 miles. Its busiest high-speed train, the Beijing-Shanghai route, runs 217 miles per hour. On the other hand, the U.S. high-speed rail system only spans over 456 miles, with its fastest Amtrak train reaching speeds of 150 miles per hour.
Despite having some of the same technology, the U.S. has struggled to develop its own high-speed rail. WSJ explores the barriers hindering its development including track design and location of train stations.
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0:50 Track systems
3:05 Planning
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Ironically, even the old rails in US were built by Chinese mostly
But those were slave workers tricked into America.
fkin american empire
lol i just realized that
And they lasted over 100 years even with shoddy maintenance. Truly made by china😂😂
😂 that's a good one
Between 1985 and 1988 I lived in Hong Kong and went to the mainland to sight seeing quite often, and I usually took the train everywhere. I usually travel in soft sleepers with 4 people to a cabin. This one time I was sharing the cabin with 3 guys, and after chit chatting a bit I found out they were train engineers, and since I like trains they were happy to tell me that they were on a business trip and explain to me China's overall plan for the railway system, in the 1980, they were executing the first 5 years of a 20 year plan, and that 5 year plan goal is to straighten out the tracks all over the country to prepare for faster trains. Thinking back and looking at where Chinas train system is now, I have to appreciate their ability to execute long term plans and the dedication to make it happen
Thank you for sharing the story!
They can plan long terms because the China don't have elections every 4 years, the result of which we can all see in all major democracies; short term plans only.
@@tonyatgoogle6076 Democracy isn't the issue, capitalism is. Capitalism is profit motivated, and inherently short-term in its outlook. All government action in a bourgeois state exist to benefit capital owners, and their interests are almost exclusively short-term and myopically profit-centric. Conversely, China is ruled by a vanguard party that views itself as the naturally means of implementing socialism, a grand transitional phase whereby increasing economic democracy and material prosperity are planned for and effectuated by ideologically Marxist bureaucrats. The planning is a component of Marxism, not of a lack of Western liberalism. You can have Western liberal values and a Marxist-Leninist vanguard party that acts according to Marxian principles while also perpetuating progressive, leftist social values at the same time. China's absence of Western liberal values is not a consequence of it's Marxism, but merely an artifact of having only very recently been a completely peasant nation (and therefore conservative), and we can expect increasing progressivism through to the end of the century as Western imperialism continues to decay and collapse, until the point that Western values (whether liberal or progressive) are no longer a threat to China's rule through America ceasing to be capable of posing a threat.
@@RosscoAW- Where are you from, bro?
I understand how you feel about the plan becoming reality. I have always felt this way about the development of Shenzhen. Every plan is fulfilled on schedule.
This video is vastly under estimated China's infrastructure system. China has much more challenging terrain and climate zones than the US, yet mega projects are every where. US and China are not in the same page bro, go travel and take a look yourself.
Fun fact, 90% of the workers who built the rail road in the US were Chinese. They never got credit for it though.
Only From the time period of 1863 through 1869 ... The US didn't stop building its rail roads after 1869!!!! And what do you mean they never got credit for it? They migrated to the US and worked as laborers... just like EVERY OTHER nationality that migrated to the US! Saying Chinese never got credit... is NONSENSE!!!
@@covertpuppytwo3857. You probably didn’t know the Chinese exclusion act after Chinese built the trans continental railroad inU.S. No, they weren’t treated just as other immigrants. They were singled out, and mostly kicked out it U.S. today, American is waging a smearing campaign against china. Spreading all kinds of lies against china.
@@covertpuppytwo3857is this the way Americans show appreciation?
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_Exclusion_Act
They got Chinese Exclusion Act in return😂
@@covertpuppytwo3857 Mark Twain: The American railroads are full of blood, and under every sleeper lies a Chinese corpse.
Another reason: while America keeps spending billions on foreign wars, China is spending billions on improving the lives of its people.
Like uyghurs
@@offred6013lol you eglin airbase posters always come out like clockwork
exactly the same
@@offred6013 Uyghurs autonomous region have more GDP per capita than Turkey. Go search on google if you don't believe me..
Meanwhile the USA how does it treat their own people? George Floyd, Native Americans, homelessness and drugs. China in this regard hardly shoots their citizens, builds public housing, and grants police powers and executive powers to minorities. Oh, and if they do shoot citizens, it's executions of billionaires and corrupt officials.
I'm currently working in the US. People in the US really need to have an experience of the high speed rails, I'm from Korea and have been to other east Asia countries and it is way more convenient than airlines, cars, and buses.
Not really. Because US population is so spread out and low density, it's far more convenient driving and flying. I'm speaking as a Chinese American. People in the US don't live in concentrated high rise apartment buildings but individual houses. Buy a car trunk worth of grocery to carry back. You can't do that with high speed rail. For high density asian and Europe HDR make sense, but for US it just doesn't work for most people.
America car lobby too strong. Will never happen.
@@xiphoid2011 That is the culture that they are accustomed to. If they had the experience of HSR on a consistent basis, they would realise it’s benefits far outweigh the negatives.
They will build it when no longer oil to be steal abroad.
@Jorge-lh6px I disagree. It's not about the culture, but the layout of the country. Most of the US is low density population with single family houses, which is completely different than mega concentration asian cities like my home town of Shanghai. In the end, I prefer US living, as living in a crowded apartment building is unpleasant. But the result is that HSR would not work when the people are so spread out. The fact is the Chinese HSR is a major source of government debt and is losing tens of billions a year should make it clear that it won't work in the US. One thing we asian teach is don't try to keep up with the Jones. Just because China does something doesn't means the US should too, especially when it's clearly financially not viable.
Born and raised in the U.S. but lived in China for some time. There are no words to describe what the gap is between our rail networks and infrastructure projects in China and other developed east-asian countries (primarily Korea and Japan). They are so far ahead of us, I can't wait to move back out there.
France, Spain, Italy, Switzerland, Germany all have high speed railways. The USA is an outlier in this case.
@@marcbachelet2322 I agree. i have been to all of the countries you listed and rode the extensive rail network in all of those countries. U.S is lacking
@@itsehsanhus dependent on car and airplane
They many never ride train , i see alot coment said train like old
You mean high-speed rail infrastructure. United States has the best rail infrastructure in the world. The United States even though it is shrinking every single year, has more railroad track that is used every single day than any other country.
Well, one sure feel at home with urine smell at new york metro
The subway systems in every single major city in China are also so ridiculously far ahead of the US that it's funny.
trains and public transport is for broke boys... real Alpha TOP G, move around in cars. 😎🤠
@@johnsmith-cw3wonot in NYC my man😢 have u seen the parking situation here
Bus service is needed where subways.
China major cities do have good local bus service.
Oh, you want factory workers to drive their cars or motorcycles in n out of stations.
That's US model. You just mentioned subways, n you want uS to continue build subways n kill local bus service.
@@johnsmith-cw3wo yeah lol real alpha guys stand in traffic, while the train is far ahead of them. Also that real alpha guy can do nothing else but driving (or staring at the brake lights in front of him) while guys on the train can grab a meal, sleep, work on their computer etc ...
Why ridiculous?
The US does not have 735 km of highspeed rail. Only that short stretch where you can go up to 150mph can be regarded as highspeed rail.
is 150 mph even considered high speed rail?
@@Western_DeclineYes. The world's first high speed rail in in Belgium and is 160km/h
@@leonpaelinck 160 km/h is not high speed rail, most definitions agree on either 200 km/h or 250 km/h, and the first high speed rail line was in Japan not Belgium
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don ruined them bro 😂
The biggest difference? One is built to move people around, the other is built for profit.
Only project suggestions, investigations and many meetings can earn billions money around 10 years. 😅😅😅
i'm a purchasing staff, and my job is to travel the world to find better and cheaper supply chain for my company. china is the most often i go to coz it has so many manufacturers. in china all manufacturers have head quarter in cities, but factories in rural areas/ small town. twelve years ago i often had to travelled 3-4 hours to inspect their factories. since 2015 things changed drastically. i only need about 1 hour to reach their factories. even their small towns are connected to hsr now. But china isn't only about train. i can tell you, in terms of public transportation, china is ahead of all countries. closest to china is Japan and singapore. but they are still behind.
请问，您是采购什么物品的？
Singapore doesn't design nor manufacture their own trains.
Singapore is just a city, no camparable
Fact: Chinese high-speed railway and Californian high-speed railway started in 2008. But Chinese one is running and Californian is crawling.
Also point out how there aren't any NIMBYs in China. Sure, they might protest but will be railroaded by the government. 😊
Fun fact guess who is losing money every year on rail system, China😂
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@@flairguardian9716 lol. That's why capitalism is so horrible. It's not all about making money. Does bus, highway and Postal service make profit?
@@Ven100 Lol, you're just another ignorant & brainwashed troll who has never been to China. 😂
The U.S. government spent 7 trillion Dollars in Mid East wars. While the Chinese government spent that money to make Chinese people live better. Which government is 'of the people, by the people , for the people'?
Crying more@@Crying-Croc
Also the Chines is make ALL BUSINESS TO ROLL while the US make people to kill ONLY showes the intellect gap
China also has the ability to order anything to eat or drink through the app and have it delivered to your seat on a High SPeed Rail journey. I have personally ordered McDonalds going from Shanghai to Shenzhen and at the next major stop the McDonalds was delivered to my seat.
thats just a piece of cake, the more important thing is their price
@soshelp4085 standard prices that you would get walk in just an additional 9 RMB delivery fee if order is below 100 RMB
@@ericcoskun1 thats what im talking about, the price is low as fk, that more important then this service
China has managed to have one of the fastest railway systems in the world thanks to its massive investments in railway infrastructure, focus on research and development of advanced technology, and efficient planning and execution of large-scale projects. In contrast, The usa only focuses on spending on unnecessary things and creating 638,393 genres instead of investing in necessary items.
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I'm a Chinese American, and I think the choice for US NOT to do HSR is the right one. US is low density living. HSR is not suitable and can not replace cars, and would be an even bigger source of national debt than even the Chinese HSR is.
Also, don't forget that the US has about 6000 airports while China had about 200. The US transportation is better served by high ways for travel shorter than 4 hours driving distance, and flying for further. Only about 15% of the Chinese own cars, so turning to HSR makes sense, but not the almost universal car owning and low density US.
@@xiphoid2011 Airplanes are incredibly polluting. HSR advances climate goals and is more efficient for short-mid distances travel. US needs to catch up.
@@xiphoid2011 US cities were dense in the past, US is a young country, but way older than cars. Their cities were demolished and rebuilt for cars, if they want to, they can rebuild it again for high density transport.
Fun fact: The person being interviewed, Scott Sherin is CCO of Alstom which was a former French company that the US DOJ allegedly used selective lawfare tactics to help US-based General Electric take over the company around 2013-2014
“american trap” irony 😅
@@fannyalbi9040 That's the book title?
@@s._3560 ya
Yes and no.
GE simply purchased Alstom's power and grid division. They didn't take over the entire company.
Alstom still continues, now focused on rail transport and signalling etc.
Close the 800+ overseas military bases and the US will be vitalized with funding for infrastructure.
什么？你要让节度使裁军？
Simple answer: because they dont spend $800B+ on defense every year
A lot of the new train lines are money losing though so a poor return but losing money on affordable infrastructure is better than overpriced weapons.
That's not the problem at all. Look at California's problem.
Make no mistake that railways move troops. The entire Chinese train network has a public security role as well, in addition to economic connectivity.
“Defence”? More like agression.
@Avantime High-speed railway has a harsh operating environment. Unusable at all during war.
@@XJLCA Who caused the deaths of millions in the Middle East? China?🤣
The amount of money the US spends on its Defense Budget for 1 year is enough to pay for a High Speed Rail network as evolved and as extensive as China's. The average build cost is $20 million per kilometre.
What's amazing is the entitlement programs in the US spent MORE money than what's spent on the military!
中国的高铁建设成本是2300万美元/公里
The amount and quality of technology that has been developed out of, and as a direct result of, the US military industrial complex, FAR surpasses any benefits any HRS network would be able to provide the US. It wouldn't even be a close comparison. The US is, by far, the best at moving freight and goods, and its private freight network is larger than China's and the EU's COMBINED. Our rail system focuses on moving the things needed to move an economy, not people. HSR is not needed. It is irrelevant.
Another large issue is lobbying: airlines and car manufacturers basically bribe lawmakers to write laws favorable to them in order to increase profits. Southwest airlines successfully lobbied against high speed rail in Texas
lobbying is regarded as crime in china
if u are exposed lobbying in china, ur political career is 100% done
in China, political bribes get you the death sentence with reprieve, in USA it's business as expected.
Boebert went from $10K to $10Million net worth in 5 years, explain that, she's an airhead.
Don't forget Elon Musk's laughable "Boring Company", basically only exists to convince American transport authorities to not invest in rail transport, just to make sure Tesla can sell more road cars.
That is really the first thing you guys must do. Vote out all the corrupt politicians who work against your interest and get rid of the lobbyist loophole. Put in place obligations and checks on politicians and scrutiny to avoid conflict of interest.
Lobbying is the core of the problem for why there is lack of modern and convenient infrastructure in the US
The issue is not track curves or what the railways were built for. Those are just pesky technical details. The reason why China has great HSR and US doesn't is the approach to how railways are built and operated. In China (and EU, for that matter) it's all done by the state. By investing lots and lots of money into infrastructure. All tracks are owned by the state and services are effectively also state owned or heavily regulated. In US, meanwhile, tracks are mostly owned and built by private companies. There is a very fundamental discrepancy in how rail infrastructure is built and operated in the US and China which is why rail transport for passengers in US basically sucks. China runs a similar model to EU where anything to do with railways pretty much means state ownership and financing. It works well and you can see it for yourself by simply riding a train in US, China or Spain.
The EU is creating an open market for railways, but crucially they will keep the tracks public and won't do away with the state operators.
@@Blaze6108 It runs essentially the same as airports. Airport infrastructure is all operated and maintained by the state while airlines pay fees to lease space at the terminal and use the runways. In EU nations that have private rail operators, the state owns, operates, and maintains the rail infrastructure while the train operators pay fees to use them. The Channel Tunnel for example has a $6,000 fee per train. Amtrak could potentially make money to help with maintenance of way costs if a private operator like Brightline or Flixtrain paid fees to run trains in the Northeast
In usa highway is state own😂
@@Blaze6108that seems a bit more of a reasonable solution for the United States
@@carkawalakhatulistiwaMostly, the Interstates. Despite the heavy car-centric policy, their upkeep is way overdue.
735 km sounds way too generous, since the only real HS rail line runs between DC and Boston and barely does the job it should. there's layers of outdated infrastructure all across the route which really slow it down and there's rarely been much care to do anything about it all. The US does not care at all about rail anymore. A section of highway collapses in Philadelphia and they spring into action right away but a hundred year old rail tunnels which were damaged by a major storm over a decade ago still haven't been properly addressed
Yeah, and what's even funnier (or sad I suppose) is that the collapse of the highway did not seem to impact traffic or commute times as people found other ways to commute. So there really was no need to fix that. It was a good opportunity to redirect funds to better transportation options, but no, in America it's all about cars.
Is more like 80 km😂 acually
WSJ should talk about the US's return on weaponry investment and war plunder vis-a-vis the China's return on HSR investment.
WSJ is jealous. They are going to blame Chinese govt for high speed rail
They don't. Not a fan of WSJ but they're very objective here and praise China.
Nah China stole all of their HSR /s
The difference is that when China sees the economic and societal benefits of a project, IT BUILDS IT! As a SOCIALIST country run by ENGINEERS instead of professional politicians, China doesn’t have to beg and bribe private short-term profit-driven corporations to build public infrastructure.
China has worse healthcare system than US, but it's socialist? Bruh. Even most socialists refuse that label and call China "state capitalist".
Because unlike the US if the Chinese government tells you to do something, you do it without arguing, or they'll make you disappear.
Basic difference between US and China is their systems. In China if CCP decided to do something then there are no check and balances like in US . Thats why they done it in very short span .
Second is China is one party state hence they can focus on long term projects unlike in US where you have to show growth in just 5 years .
While there’s no excuse why a country as rich as USA does not have a high speed rail, one key difference is that in China, CPP Has full authority. If they want something built, it will get built, whether homes of citizens need to be broken down or not.
In the US, let the government try to construct a railway through a certain neighborhood, they will face road blocks from the opposite party, law suits from locals, some random judge in Texas will block it, animal & environmental rights ppl will protest , the list goes on
@@KCKnowsBest Majority of US Big Cities are locating in east and west coast so why build expesive high speed railways across the country when you can just travel by air?
Most important thing in China which is a government-led initiative while in the west, that's just led by institutions. If the Chinese government decides something, they'll implement it without delays eventhough that's loss making for the benefits of people. It is very difficult for private companies that only look at profit to achieve that one goal.
Capitalism allocates resources based on profit. Socialism allocates resources based on need.
This is why the Chinese people are far more satisfied with their government than Americans are of theirs.
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@@indiasuperclean6969does India live in your head that you have to put effort into saying this everywhere
The Japanese achieved it and their HRS operators even make a profit.
And let's be clear, you shouldn't be lumping in the "west" all together. It's US and Canada that are the outliers. Spain, France and Italy have great high speed tracks. Their HRS density is higher than China when you account for land area and population.
one thing in the video is wrong about China's high speed railways. Many Chinese high speed railways are in cities. Yes, many Chinese high-speed railway stations were built outside of cities, but the reason is not for the speed. It is because China is in the fast track of urbanization. The cities are expanding fast. China deliberately built those stations at those locations according to China's bigger development plan.
China actually has super strong structure rights and no legal means of eminent domain (they do offer 200% cash and most take it),
So they build along shallow sea floors and outskirt farmland on 15ft tall pilers, and the city just have to grow in the direct of the station over time, and it will.
there's absolutely no way the US has 735 km of high speed rail
actually that's true, and as mentioned, the high-speed train goes high-speed only on a very small section of that track
@@EnjoyFirefighting When only 50km is mid-speed and the rest mid-slow speed and none is 300kmh+, U.S as zero high speed rail by my definition
And that makes U.S incredibly lame.
@tonysofla "by my definition" lol if we took your definition also countries like Germany would barely have HSR
Then by your own definition, even large parts of the EU HSR network are not really high speed. Nor does the HSR network in the EU cover a lot of territory. Go essentially east of Munich or Berlin and you won't find ANY HSR network on the European continent, save the one line from Moscow to St Petersburg in Russia (although that's questionable too). Considering the amount of time (decades) and amount of money the EU has invested into its HSR network, it is surprisingly small in scale and geography. It's a joke, really.@@tonysofla
@@shawna3394 Yes, rest the whole world is lame, Highspeed is 300kmh+. Japan does 320kmh, China does 350kmh in actual service. USA is the lamest of all.
It's about much more than just curves! The design of the track itself is unique. The gaps between track segments must be incredibly small to accommodate high-speed trains. This is a considerable challenge, as the tracks can expand and contract with temperature fluctuations. In many areas, temperatures can easily vary over a range of 30 degrees Fahrenheit.
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@@indiasuperclean6969 bro very 6
Eastern China has the strongest temperate monsoon of the world. Annual temperatures can easily vary by 40C
Theres no gap between rail. The rails for high speed train are welded continously and leave no gap for smoothest ride. However the rail used are the very heavy type which dont contract or expand in heat
30 degrees Fahrenheit! That’s not that much.
Dad, that’s 18 degrees Celsius.
D’oh
3:20 its not like China DON'T have highways and Cars. Why can't the US do BOTH?
China's highway network is actually bigger than the US's
@@zupermaus9276 Of course it is, China has more than 10x the population of the US
@@maximipe what? where did you go to school ?
@@maximipe Yeah sure China has 3.3 bilion+ population, should double check with your teachers.
Why can't america do both?
If you stop wasting 700+ billion annually on military, you can do 10x better than China.
World tends to pay little attention that China's highway network is already much larger than that of the US. US does have an advantage in domestic flights though.
The USA has a much more developed heavy-haul railway system
@@marcbachelet2322 : *ONLY CAUSE CHINA RAILS STILL HAS IT'S MASSIVE GOODS/FREIGHT TRAINS SHARING TRACKAGE WITH IT'S MASSIVE LEGACY NON-HSR PASSENGER TRAINS.*
@@marcbachelet2322 Actually China heavy haul tonnage by rail is about 300% that of US. But that's understandable considering their sheer volume and capacity.
China won't even need to develop domestic flight anywhere near US levels due to their HSR network. That Beijing Shanghai line mentioned in the video transports up to a MILLION passengers PER DAY when maxed out. You'd barely need flight service when you can just hop on a train just about any time and be in Beijing/Shanghai in like 4 hours.
Until China builds their own planes and 90% of the components, they'd just be setting themselves up in a trade war.
This is a matter of priority, America hegemony ambitions means military industrial complex gets all the funding while infrastructure grossly trail behind, on the other hand China's number one priority is improving the lives of their citizens and alleviating poverty, hence world class infrastructure.
You got to the most important part
Well said
Well said! 👏
Well said. America cares much of importing wars to other countries than caring for it's citizens which is why the trust of the government is falling.
For California High Speed Railway, if USA China cooperate for it, can be very cheap and quick!
For example, California High-Speed Rail from LA to SF, 840km (520mi), approved in 2008, will operate in 2033 (about 25 years), original budget was $77.1B, in the future will be $98.1B!
If China takes this project, the cost almost one-third of the current budget and can be done within 10 years!
China's high speed rail with a maximum speed of 350 km/h has a typical infrastructure unit cost of about US$ 17-21m per km, with a high ratio of viaducts and tunnels, as compared with US$25-39 m per km in Europe and as high as US$ 56m per km currently estimated in California.
Okay, that is a delusional take. Labor cost is a very big issue, it's the whole reason China became the world's factory. Californians demand higher wages than Chinese and unless you're willing to import entire cities worth of workforce of Chinese people (and somehow also find housing for them at affordable prices), it ain't happening.
Land acquisition cost is another issue. Land is valued at a higher price in California than much of China. And the Chinese government also has a lot more power to force people to accept "market prices" for their land and move away.
And also the reason it can work is because it's in China, the whole ecosystem to support high speed rail construction has been built and all its kinks worked out over years of building. That kind of efficiency will not travel well over an entire ocean. If California project finishes and others start up in the US, this part of the process will start giving dividends and getting cheaper.
@@chinguunerdenebadrakh7022 When Chinese built the Oakland San Francisco bridge from 2006 to 2011, we didn't have this problem.
@@chinguunerdenebadrakh7022 they can get labors from china. the chinese workers are cheaper and more productive. but CA will never let it happen. it would rather pay 10x more money to unionized construction workers.
@@chinguunerdenebadrakh7022 no, china just finished indonesia high speed rail, they are mostly chinese workers, it took only short time
@@johnfeng4374 a bridge? You're comparing a bridge to one of the most technologically advanced forms of transport going over some of the roughest terrain for hundreds of kms?
WSJ: We have 700 KM HSR lines !🤡🤡
Endia: We have Super High-Speed train 10 KM HSR lines !🤣🤣
Indonesia: Hold my brand new Fuxing Trains with 385 KM PerHour !✌✌
China: Left the chat ... 🥱🥱
Chinas new Magle 500 km/hr and work on the 600 km/hr as the country is big and for the business and that many people for to mannage
In AMERICA, TRAIN BUSINESS IS PURE BUSINESS, IN CHINA, TRAIN BUSINESS IS PUBLIC SERVICE BUSINESS, NOT JUST CHASE PROFIT, EVEN THR COMPANY GET LOSS, THE COMPANY ALWAYS RUNS THE BUSINESS BECAUSE THE STATE SUBSIDISE THE TRAIN BUSINESS. IT'S FOR THE WELFARE OF PEOPLE.
Some people believe that freedom is to spend hours each day handcuffed to a wheel, tied to a chair, with eyelids taped open, and slowly being gassed in a traffic jam where you can't even read stuff on your phone. .
Others believe freedom is playing with phone or computer or whatever while a shared chauffeur does the driving in a country safe enough to do so without worry, just like riding an airplane with a shared chauffeur called a pilot.
As of now, the US High Speed Rail Network spans exactly 0 (zero) Kilometers. The North-East-Corridor isn't a High Speed Line, as the video points out. If you ran the Acela along all the many miles of rail in the US, that wouldn't make those miles suddenly a High Speed Rail Line.
Everyone who’s negatively towards Chinese high speed rail, you all are just simply “the frog in the bottom of a well”. 😂
Because China developing so fast. Many Westerners' impressions of China remain 25 years ago.
Not only Americans, but many older Asians' minds also can't catch up with China's developments. Their impressions of China remain decades ago.
China is a well developed and has a better economy 🎉 country
Well, that's just incorrect.
I disagree, Rural China is very underdeveloped, I visited one of our manufacturing plants and the conditions are bad in small towns
Well not much of china is developed.
Stop reasoning. 🤣😂🤣😂 The fact is in last two decade US is only focus on w@r where as China focus on development. China has a dedicated high speed track you said yourself. so why can't the US build a dedicated track? The key difference is commitment to develop a country,to give a better life to its citizens. The US keeps thinking,making plans on paper but implementation zero. Whereas China once they think it needs to be achieved. It may take time but they work hard to achieve that. The West will never understand the determination China has. The US can stay in its bubble brainwashing their citizens.
to be fair, the road system in the states is also dated. if wsj makes a documentary about the chinese road sysyem next, it will truely challenge americans' sense of superiority.
Five stages of grief, we will see all of them one by one, will be a fun watch indeed.
High speed rail, healthcare, infrastructure, internet speeds - what else does US lack nowadays compared with China/Asia? The list is ever growing. However we (the US) do have the largest % of billionaires while the rest of the country suffers!
The US leads the world in confidence and self-assessment😂
I once took Shinkansen from Tokyo yo Oosaka when I was doing one of my summer internship. The experience was mind blowing. The distance is longer than from New York to DC, however it's much faster and smoother. I still remember watching all the villages, towns, cities passing by and it was a really nice trip. US really needs to catch up on this and I believe we can!
So, what you're saying is that car manufacturers are such a powerful lobby that trains will never happen? Got it
Every western country outranks the U.S. passenger rail system. Every german elementary school kid knows that.
Good video
America shouldn’t compare with China but look to India
because the infrastructure in China is not for profit, its to serve the average people.
Interesting information
In the US the return on investment on rail projects is calculated in isolation, if the project will profit by itself or not. They do not do this method calculation for the defense and highway spending though. Corporations get their way.
In China they calculate the return on investment on how much it will increase long-term economic growth of a region and the economy as a whole, plus how much the benefits spread to the people.
Did WSJ repost this? It seems to me that they did!
Man, American grapes are sour. 😂
trains and public transport is for broke boys... real Alpha TOP G, move around in cars. 😎🤠
woww. Amazing.
Inevitably this comment section will have people who claim that the US - while being the most powerful and richest country in human history - cannot have the nice things that many peer countries have.
US “V.S." CHINA ? on High-Speed Rail？you don't VS others with something you don't have
5/10 video. Only because you didn't focus on the #1 culprit stopping HSR: Car obsession which in turn creates NIMBYism. Many Americans can't stand the idea of needing to take a bus/train/HSR to get anywhere. They want their asphalt and parking lots and it is not only going to cost billions to rip up and get rid of our roads. But it is also going to take a herculean effort to get Americans to think differently.
Americans already know the vibrant, walkable cities in Europe and Asia when they go on vacations. They just need to believe they can have it here.
5:09 : The Train Technology is already here
No it's not 🤣🤣🤣
best to have an amazing interstate highway system, along with an amazing high speed rail system. best of both worlds.
I LOVE OUR CONCRETE JUNGLE
@@TasXSAME, WE NEED A FEW DOZEN MORE LANES AND MORE PARKING LOTS, I CANT BELIEVE EUROPEANS HAVE NICE SIDEWALKS AND TRANSPORT ANYWHERE YOU GO
China's highway network is actually the world's largest too
@@LAIDAN22 you do realize that many European countries also have well-developed freeway systems, right? It's about where they are built, and the big mistake the US made was building them right through the middle of large cities
When China sees the economic and social benefits of a project, it uses state power to build it!
the real reason why US rail is not developing is because of "regionalisation" different companies own the track in different regions and it is not in their interest to connect the network and allow their competitor to compete against them. there is a monopolistic trend in US rail. US government tried to create a unified network but never really committed to it. the biggest problem why Amtrak sucks isn't because of it top speed, or even the track quality, but the fact that they do not have priority and right of use on the track, this means delays waiting for other trains that are owned by the regional monopolies to pass before they can continued. this is why Amtrak goal of serving the entire US fails... they could not get to the other regionals without delays.
my country also when pass a period of believing "privatisation solve everything", but the resulting delays and interruption to service force the government to buy the track back. the private entities are now "user" of the government own track, and that allows the government to properly develop the network...
You are also underestimating the power of the car and oil lobby here in the US
Having an older rail network is not necessarily a problem, just look at Germany where a lot of the network is on mixed lines.
BUT SIR MY INDIA IS THE REAL SUPERPOWER 🤗🇮🇳 WE HAVE THE BEST INFRASTRUCTURE AND HIGHSPEED RAIL 🤗🇮🇳 MEANWHILE IN CHINA PEOPLE STILL RIDE RICKSHAW EVERYWHERE AND THEY ALSO POOR DONT HAVE CAR . THIS WHY IM SO LUCKY LIVE IN SUPER INDIA THE CLEANEST COUNTRY IN THE WORLD 🇮🇳🤗 , WE NEVER SCAM! WE GIVE RESPECT TO ALL WOMEN THEY CAN WALK SAFELY ALONE AT NIGHT AND WE HAVE CLEAN FOOD AND TOILET EVERYWHERE 🇮🇳🤗🚽, I KNOW MANY POOR PEOPLE JEALOUS WITH SUPER RICH INDIA 🤗🇮🇳🤗🇮🇳🤗🇮🇳🤗🇮🇳🤗🇮🇳🤗🇮🇳🤗🇮🇳🤗🇮🇳
@@indiasuperclean6969lmfao delusional in a nutshell
its a problem. you dont want to emulate that
As somebody who lives in Germany I can tell you it is massive problem that high speed trains share the network with regional trains. Regional trains in Germany are fine but HSR is not.
@@marco21274massive cost cutting policies after privatization of german train network operator also have started to catchup n causing delays n unreliable service 🥲
The majority of UK lines are 125, these are shared with freight on lines cut in Victorian times. There is one line that is up to 200 ish but it goes to France. In the 70's and 80's we had 150 to 160 tech with the APT. It failed for a very simple reason. Signalling. Signalling and safety is very different if you doing nearly 3 miles a minute vs a mile a minute. In the US you have stalled or derailed freight trains on grades that need helpers, and you want something doing 3 miles a minute coming up behind?
the real and only reason is that, China high speed rail is a public transportation service, it is the same as city buses and subways and it is not meant for profit.
Car manufacturers, road transport network and petrol companies would join environment protection to lobby against HSR .
as long as trains in the US still run on diesel I doubt petrol companies will be against it ...
You began your report with a false graphic from Statista...yes it is right China has the longest network but to put the UK at just 113km...means you don't really know the clear definition of high speed rail...
And the US can never fall behind China in the high speed rail game, for they were never ever ahead...
US does not have a high speed rail in operation. Amtrak prob looks like a high speed train but it doesn't travel at least 200+km/h throughout its length, so it should not be on the chart.
No surprise here. When I drive pass a freeway construction zone, I usually see just three people working - 1 supervisor + 2 workers
The most recent Shanghai Beijing gaotie is 1000km/hour? Only takes 1hour😮wowwww
It's the prototype under development.
Thank you for a HONEST presentation of the Fast trains. We here in Europe ADMIRE the chines latest fast trains .
Japan is not even close to china is high speed railway race. China has been operating the fastest train the Shanghai maglev for years whereas Japan's maglev is still in prototype phase and soon china's next high speed maglev train will be in operation within 2025.
The reason why US became like this because of decades of car-centric infrastracture. It has literally shaped US cities.
Your suburban development modle makes zero sense, its too addict to expansion while expansion and growth need borrowing, if you cant keep the debt flow (aka actually developing the middle class), you lose momentum on suburbs expension, lossing expension=death of community, death of a community= worsen homelessness in the city.
The US primarily relies on air travel and highway travel for shorter trips. The air travel dominates because the tickets are dirt cheap as well as their fuel. Just for comparison in many US states the price of fuel is comparable to countries in Eastern Europe which is completely insane.
Because the federal government subsidizes it. And it's now $30T+ in debt.
@@ContactlessConnoisseur The debt in China is rising at a staggering rate.
rail way is not only for traveling.
no even close to US
@@elsonsti Bullet trains are only for travel.
Actually the local governments in China are so much in debt that the US seems alright
China just test their new train that running at 453km/h, 281miles/h.
China uses high speed rails to reduce air pollution, USA likes using cars to add air pollution.
Wait, the US has 735 km of high speed rail? Where?
The number is sort of misleading. It counts the NEC which mostly has a top speed of 200km/h (which is not high speed rail) the only real high speed section runs for 80km
Amtrak Acela, btwn Boston & Washington
Most of the trains shown in the graphics do not operate commercially at those speeds. Frances TGV operates at 320 km/hr and Italy's and Spain's trains go 300 km/hr.
China's Maglev has been carrying 10's of millions of commercial passengers at 431 km/hr for over 20 years! Most of China's HSR actually operate at 350 km/hr. The Chinese CCRC Qingdao Sifang 2021 maglev will launch commercially at 600 km/hr in 2025.
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it's true that the maximum speed of maglev is 600 km/hour but the operational speed is 500 km/hour for safety.
Mind boggling
One has to love wsj journalism. China builds a maglev train and says it can travel at 600 km/h. So according to wsj, to set a record one doesn't have to reach the speed but just say that one can reach it.
I say I can run a 100m in 5 seconds. From now on wsj must call me the fastest man in the world. And every time they list the world record for 100m, they must put me first and publish my 5 second claim.
The high-speed rail is too fast, and the maglev train with a speed of 430 kilometers per hour in Shanghai is now slowed down to 300 kilometers, because residents complain that it is noisy and the operating cost is high.
You mean the maglev train that was developed by Germans 😊
The headline should be: "How dare China"...
BUT SIR MY INDIA IS THE REAL SUPERPOWER 🤗🇮🇳 WE HAVE THE BEST INFRASTRUCTURE AND HIGHSPEED RAIL 🤗🇮🇳 MEANWHILE IN CHINA PEOPLE STILL RIDE RICKSHAW EVERYWHERE AND THEY ALSO POOR DONT HAVE CAR . THIS WHY IM SO LUCKY LIVE IN SUPER INDIA THE CLEANEST COUNTRY IN THE WORLD 🇮🇳🤗 , WE NEVER SCAM! WE GIVE RESPECT TO ALL WOMEN THEY CAN WALK SAFELY ALONE AT NIGHT AND WE HAVE CLEAN FOOD AND TOILET EVERYWHERE 🇮🇳🤗🚽, I KNOW MANY POOR PEOPLE JEALOUS WITH SUPER RICH INDIA 🤗🇮🇳🤗🇮🇳🤗🇮🇳🤗🇮🇳🤗🇮🇳🤗🇮🇳🤗🇮🇳🤗🇮🇳
Sarcasm detected.
@@jacobl5488That's Pakistani bot accounts. Just go through the curated copy pasted messages & the overuse of flags. Report the account please.
@@jacobl5488
This is the result of lagging neighbors too much.....Feel jealous and hate.....
In India, passengers climb and sit on top of train's roof
Truly amazing that Turkey has far more high speed rail lines than USA, despite being much poorer and smaller!
Turkey high speed train line also build by the Chinese company
That's right. Even laos despite being the poorest nation in asia has a HSR.
I would say that like America, 456 miles is not so long distance compared to China's Beijing to Shanghai railway line, which takes 4 hours to complete a 1300 km distance, and 456 miles is just about 700 kilometers which are from Beijing to Shenyang in just 2 hours with this Fuxing series train, but America's fastest is just 150 mph which is still faster than driving cars, but a little slower than China's Fuxing train, so America's Amtrak is nearly 250 km/h.
India has the same rail problem mentioned in this video.
US has high speed Rail? It doesn't even have high-speed internet.
China has 350 km/h railway that is called the fuxing train which does travel much more quickly, especially from Beijing to Shanghai in just 4 hours!
The chart at 0:08 is misleading, not only because it contains glaring errors in the top test speeds of the Chinese trains, but also because it only supposedly shows the top "test speeds" of all the trains on the list, and NOT the actual operating speeds in the real world!
When measured by actual operating speeds, all of the Top 10 fastest trains in the world are Chinese trains!
It really comes down to policy. Building any kind of infrastructure requires consistent and reliable political support and funding. That's why China builds so much HSR while we struggle to get CAHSR reliable funding. You talk about it briefly but not enough. If you want more HSR, get the politicians and funding you need.
0:09 The design speed of L0 is 500km/h, and the maximum speed of the test is 603km/h. Qingdao Sifang Maglev has a design speed of 600km/h, but there is no maximum test speed for the time being. The picture is not accurate
In Mandarin we call the USa "Beautiful land" many Greetings from our Great Chinese Civilisation may our peoples work together and explore the Stars and build a better future.
An ever greater example
A lot of excuses being made in this video. America's old railways don't have to be used; you can just build new ones dedicated for high speed rail. If China, a poor country, can do this, why not the US? What is preventing the US from building brand new railways?
Sharing lines with freight trains? At-grade crossings? Poor electrification infrastructure? Too much curvature of the tracks? Again, just build dedicated HSR lines that are completely separate from the old tracks.
The US has lots of land, lots of money, and other countries have already developed high speed train technology. This means it should be very easy to purchase foreign trains and implement them in the US. Americans simply choose not to do this.
Because car lobbyist, airline lobbyist are against it because it'll affect their bottomline.
Military industrial complex will also make sure America spend US tax dollars on their weapons to kill foreigners thousands of miles away.
China poor country,man it is going to overtake USA as largest economy by 2030 😂😂😂
China it's a poor country? Is the second economy of the world. And in few years will be the first!
its so over for the US lol, decaying empire.
Keep dream Stars and strips beat hammer and sickle
@@skywishr1313 Chyna is ALL STARS
0:08 Third from the bottom, "Fuxing Hao" I see what you did there China. [Troll Face]
"Travelling on what's called 'viaducts'." Have Americans really never heard of viaducts before? 😆
As an American, I found that comment weird too lol we have viaducts everywhere and I’m pretty sure everyone knows what a viaduct is so idk why she said it as if it’s a new concept 😂
0:07 correction, actually 3 out of 10 fastest trains in the world are actually Chinese (engineered and manufactured entirely in China, mostly by CRRC). The fourth train on the list wasn't engineered (and even manufactured) in China. It is basically a German train. That train is the Shanghai Transrapid, which was engineered by the German companies Siemens, ThyssenKrupp and Max Bögl. What is really sad is that these trains were never put in service in Germany, mostly thanks to bureaucracy and NIMBYism. While Japan is going forward with their Maglev plans and also they are planning to export this technology to the US.
Well that line also loses $millions a year and is just a vanity project, so it is probably a good thing Germany never one.
The list was about where the lines were running (location.) No one said it was engineered or built by China.
China has only built this maglev train because it does not represent the future. China is currently testing vacuum tube trains, which can reach speeds of 1000-1500Km/H.
2:30 that is false. China’s train stations are located in heavily urbanized areas. Beijing has FOUR such stations for HSR, Shanghai and other big cities in China have HSR stations in city centers.
nope, its everywhere on the coast line
Nah, gotta give our money to the oil and gas companies. Our landlord in the USA. 🤣
Rail is a stupid and antiquated concept. Rail cannot connect the nooks and crannies of a vast country like the United States like the automobile can. The US has the biggest road system in the world, and this is one of the reasons why it’s the wealthiest and most powerful nations in the world. Enough with this rail BS.
murica good at bombing. china good at building. hence usa and nato and aukus and the quad etc. hence china and belt road.
meanwhile, indonesia already testing their high speed trains, their trains can go up to 386 km/h
meanwhile Morocco already have 320 km/h High Speed Trains since November 2018. America...
China-funded train. The gov't of Indonesia is ready to do whatever China demands.
Peak chinese technology
It is not a should/should not question. It is a can/can not question.
We pretty much gave up on public transportation here in the US. I would be happy if the California high speed rail gets completed in my life time.
😂how old are you?