The thing is, being Captain America was never a priority for Steve Rogers. He was just himself and stuck to what he knew was right. FFS, Steve went rogue three times. He was branded a traitor for the bulk of the time he was in the present. The government passing the title on to someone else shouldn't matter so much because, seriously, Captain Rogers was better than Captain America.
It’s kind of like taking a massive shit on Steve’s grave by giving his own title to some random guy. Especially since Steve already had a successor in mind
@@christianaguiare544 A successor who gave it up immediately. It shouldn't have been surprising that the government reclaims the shield and uses it for good.
@@grayski3324 If Steve wanted to give it to the government than he would’ve told Sam. And let’s not forget this is a man who stole from a history museum and was a fugitive from the law for over 2 years
USSES IT FOR GOOD SORRY BUT CALLING YOURSELF CAPTAIN AMERICA WHILE INTRODUCING YOURSELF TELLS HIS ATTITUDE TAKE AWAY HIS SHEILD AND HE IS NOTHING @@grayski3324
This serie showed that everyone has a bad side: Walker, Karli, but most importantly Sam and Bucky, too. Everyone has flaws and as Zemo said, it's important to keep that in mind, otherwise we make them icons, and from that, bad things happen.
They had to evolve the 2 main characters, introduce at least 2 more. Make a stand alone story that fits into the MCU plus the Contessa and set up for the Thunderbolts film. What would you have done?
@@ShadowSonic2 The character conflict of being petty and hostile to a guy constantly trying to reach out to and work with him to stop a terrorist group?
@@drowningmerman4256 i mean, it does make sense why they’d act like that to john tho. he’s trying to be captain america more than he is trying to live up to his legacy and the way he interacts with sam and bucky shows an extension of that. i’d be pretty hostile if someone started trying to be a loved one i’d lost and tried to make a connection based on, especially following events i didn’t want to happen. (for sam, it was anyone taking up the shield since he put it in the museum. for bucky, it was the shield being anywhere that wasn’t with sam since steve wanted sam to have it)
The only man who travelled through time with him (in solid ice at that), the only man that could’ve saved him was his own childhood friend. Now someone else who’s entire persona was as an extension of the government has the gall to call a man he never knew like his own “Brother”. Yeah, I can’t really say I blame Bucky for being so pissed off at Steve’s replacement
Pissed at Walker for daring to tread in Steve’s shoes when he doesn’t have the first clue about what it means to be Captain America Pissed at Sam for giving up the shield because he thought he wasn’t worthy of the title Damn i feel bad for Barnes…
They are being canonically accurate from the comics. There have been multiple captain America’s. All of which should have their story told as they are all great characters. Get over it.
@@peeweemaroske8619 It doesn’t cause confusion lol if it does you have low brain power. And that’s kinda the point. Everyone has a favorite. It’s the same idea of Batman vs Superman. Everyone gets a character they like.
Someone clearly never read the comics. Captain America will always be replaced. Steve Rogers is a name, captain America is a mantle and it’s passed down. Bucky will probably be next. Steve Rogers is dead, move on.
The big difference with iron man is that there wasn’t many iron man’s ones that did succeed him went under different names as far as I can remember Iron Man IS Tony Stark as much as Tony Stark IS Iron Man. The total Captain America is a symbol and a title rather than A identity. Steve Rogers never flaunted the titles Captain America he rarely if ever called himself that in the films unlike Iron Man who went on national tv and told the world who He was. Roger didn’t and wouldn’t want this to be specific to him as he sees it a symbol to carry America forward and to continue to be a symbol.
but he really isn't...he chose to save people of his own accord with no friend to break him out of his trauma, even though those people fcked him over and over again, John doesn't even do mindless killing...
They also turned Bucky and Sam into bitter jackasses that threw olive branches in John's face. Bucky and Sam are supposed to be the good guys in this series? Sam kept on letting the flag smashers go. They indirectly let Lamar get killed.
@@9751matt what Sam and Bucky did to John? They said they are not interested to work with John that's it Only mistake Sam and Bucky did in the series was working with John in episode 4
i think what gets to me is that John walker just calls him bucky straight up. its still a nickname, id be inclined to dislike someone who just starts adrssing my by nickname first thing.
The Smithsonian literally has a name plague that says Bucky Barnes, given Walker likely grew up with a lot of history stuff that also calls him Bucky, that’s the name he went with.
@@CaptainPikeachu it doesn't say bucky Barnes it has his full name on it and people he's close with can only call uim bucky as it was a nickname given to him by Steve and Steve was someone who had a good judge of character which is why Sam can call him bucky or buck its a nickname people shouldn't out right call him by the first time you see him.
I'd guess because Homelander is clearly written as a villain, where as Walker is written as how a human would act but the show frames him as a villain.
Okay but imagine your best friend who’s the closest thing you have to a brother leaves you and the guy who is basically meant to replace him goes and says “he feels like a brother.” After everything Steve and Bucky did for each other? Yeah, I would be pissed too.
Yeah, but saying that he felt that Steve was a brother to him didn’t feel wrong, didn’t say he was the only brother, just that he like A brother, cause he felt inspired by Steve, Bucky getting angry that someone got so inspired by Steve to the point that John considers Steve a brother just makes him seem like a toxic fanboy who can’t accept when other people look up to the same person he does, that’s like getting mad at someone for considering your friend a hero to them, that isn’t bad, that’s just being inspired by someone you’re attached to (Plus, John didn’t even want to be Captain America, until later in his career when he realized that him being Captain America can save more lives, so he accepts it, cause he feels like other people need him)
John walker tried so hard to be the next cap only to realize in the end hes meant to be his own super hero. There was no need to hate on walker. He was really trying . In reality no one will ever have steves heart not even sam or bucky. If steve met walker he would respect him unlike everyone else who had a stink eye for walker
I think this is true but the reason I dislike Walker is because with some things he really crossed the line. First of all the cold-blooded murder of a man who wasn’t even the one that killed his best friend? But also little things like acting all familiar with Sam and Bucky when they didn’t know each other (because that would piss me off too if someone did that to me irl). And some of the comments he made to Bucky were super out of line (“I’m not like you” “This is all really easy for you isn’t it?”). Like that man is dealing with extreme PTSD and self-loathing, and Walker really wasn’t helping. But yeah Sam and Bucky did act a bit too asshole-y to Walker even if I understand where they were coming from
@@fulcrum097 That man was a terrorist, a living weapon that would've gotten away, if it wasn't for John and he was the reason his best friend died, put you in that situation, you wouldn't do the same? The whole time Walker has been nothing but nice to the both of them only to be treated like trash. Honestly his overqualified to be captain america
True, but compared to Sam who kept trying to show he was the “real” Captain America, I think John has a right to say he’s Captain America, cause most of the time, he was helping everyone out, not for some sinister purpose, but because he actually felt happy doing the right thing, like when he comforted Lamar’s family after he died, or when he decided to help people who were in a truck who were going to be killed from falling from a ledge, that’s true heroism, more than whatever Sam was doing, who tried to be sympathetic with the literal Terrorists who killed multiple innocent people, and attacked John for killing only one Terrorist
@@Grag235Didn't Sam and Bucky stop the Flagsmashers and saved all the hostages? What did John do except execute one in public? Of course, you'd act like Sam didn't do anything just because you like John more
Just a reminder that Bucky fought in WWII. Walker strutting around in his friend's costume acting like he's a big deal because he fought in some police actions and occupations is probably enough to get on Bucky's nerves. Walker: "I've been shot at! I've seen action." Barnes: "Bitch, I've been held prisoner by both Hydra and the KGB, and I've outlived both groups."
How many medals of honour did Barnes recieve. And as far as I know, neither he nor Sam have ever jumped on a live grenade. Walker has. By his own logic, Walker is more deserving of the title than either of them.
@@BlueSkullX I mean John wsa probably in the armed forces longer than Bucky, but yeah-- having served in WW2 and fought HYDRA during the worst war in history is pretty much unmatchable.
@@galinabrack6057 Yeah, Bucky only lets people call him that who know him or who he likes. Walker should maybe address him as Barnes or Sgt Barnes since they are both military vets.
Bucky and Sam keep duckin' on John and Lemar feels like the writers were copying what Mr Incredible did to Buddy/Incediboy/Syndrome: Police Officer: You mean he (Bomb Voyage) got away? Mr. Incredible: Well, yeah. Skippy here made sure of that. Incrediboy: INCREDIBOY!... Mr. Incredible: You’re not affiliated with me! Gov. Agents: You mean the "Flag-Smashers" got away? Wilson: Well, yes but to be fair... Barnes: (interrupts and gestures to Walker) Until Johnny-Boy here let it happened. Walker: I'M CAPTAIN AMERICA!... Barnes: You’re not affiliated with us!
Didn't Walker save their lives in the first encounter and tehn they both let him and Lemar deal with the terrorist alone? The fuck is that comparisson?
@@ShadowSonic2 Didnt John ask Sam and Bucky if they could cooperate first, but Sam and Bucky were too busy being a bag of dicks to have any courtesy whatsoever?
John: "Your partner is in there. Do you want his blood on your hands?" My guy you rushing in is the reason hoskins your partner got murdered by accident
Times where I wished Bucky would go all Winter soldier on John walkers ass Actually no I always wanted him to go all winter soldier on John’s since the start of the show
R.I.P Lamar Hoskins. I genuinely feel sorry for Lamar with all the unjustified hatred for him and everyone siding with the people who murdered him. He seemed like a decent guy but didn't stand a chance against super-soldiers or pyscho punk kids with a serum. Also he was telling the truth. Bucky and Sam were getting thier asses kicked.
Biggest mistake Sam and Bucky did in the series was working with John in episode 4 Also the shield doesn't belong to Walker after what he did at the end of the episode
@@SA_586 Killing a super human terrorist makes him not worthy of the shield, when Iron Man does the same thing to Terrorists WITHOUT super human abilities? Plus, Steve killed several people, but he isn’t seen as a bad person, why is one bad and the other isn’t when they both do exactly the same thing?
Bucky acts like Captain America was Steve's birthright. It was a job he was given by the government. He was really good at the job, but it was still a job. Walker already has his work cut out for him living up to the legacy Steve set without Bucky scowling over his soldier. Imagine getting a new job and the best friend of the person who previously had it just shows up to tell you that you aren't shit.
I personally don't think that. He's got years of trauma from being in the war, being kidnapped and experimented on by Zola, falling to his "death", being tortured, and brainwashed and doing many horrible things as the winter soldier, fighting Thanos, then losing his best friend. Like Bucky told his therapist (who I really don't like) he fought one fight after another for ninety years, he got a little peace in Wakanda but then even that was taken from him.
@@beccagregory3586 i understand what you are saying, but i am reffering to his behavior towards john walker, the guy is telling him that he doesn't want to replace steve, he just wants to be the best captain he can be, after falcon gives it up, does bucky give him a chance? Not even for one minute, from the start just puts him down as unworthy, that is snowflake behavior
I’ve noticed a of people here are mad at Bucky for being a jerk to Walker for no reason, when I honestly think he was still grieving Steve. I’d be angry too if I was in Bucky’s position. Even after John admits he doesn’t want to replace Steve, I would still be mad, because he would be reminding me of Steve every time I saw him. (Also Walker claimed Steve was like his brother, even though that was untrue.)
There's a lot of subtle and not so subtle stuff that sets Walker up as not a great dude. Honestly, the first clip we get of Walker he's punching lockers because he doesn't get his way about something. Everything about the way he's presented as Cap is what the Government wanted Cap to be and Steve fought to stay away from. He's like Bizarro Cap. He also walks up to Sam and Bucky as if he's their equals, and it's completely unearned narratively. He hasn't shown us he can play on their level yet. There are also some of us who think that the costume designers may have purposely designed Walker's Cap outfit to be less than flattering on purpose to make it look out of place on him. It looks like a kid dressed up as Cap for Halloween, not like this is a bespoke costume made with his face and body in mind. Maybe we're reading too much into it but they've done such consistently good work and then he gets the crappiest mask? Feels like there's a chance it's intentional. If it isn't the dude was WRONGED with how bad that cowl looks on him. He looks like Mr. Magoo with it on.
John Walker was a walking red flag and the dude should never have been allowed within 100 yards of that shield. He's what would have happened if someone like Hodge was given the serum instead of Steve. I am totally on board with Bucky hating him, because Walker hasn't earned the shield in Bucky or the audience's eyes, and he's not exactly trying to. He feels entitled to it.
I actually get it. Sam didn't feel like he could be Cap. He knew he couldn't live up to the image that Steve presented to the world it was only Bucky who knew that the Steve that tge world saw was just an image not the real man
So in otherworldly Bucky not being professional enough to set aside personal feelings for his allies in order to get the job done like real soldiers do and John trying to work with Sam and Bucky so the job gets done? Yeah Walker did nothing wrong
All three have too many issues to be put in the field. Given how Karli died, this whole thing could've been wrapped up more easily by a spec ops unit with a precise application of gunfire.
@@SA_586 Plan, that they did not disclose to him, did not inform him, and John had to work with what he have and he is a bad guy here? Don't you think, if they would be a little less assholes themselves, if they put aside their feeling and work as, well, professionals should work, they'd would deal with all those terrorists a lot more faster, and saved a lot more lives?
Bucky: Don’t go down that road. Walker: I’m not like you Well yeah, Bucky became a moody dick after 70 years of brainwashing and torture. What’s your excuse John?
20 years of military trauma and just now seeing his best friend get murdered might also trigger some bad reactions Also I might highly recommend you do research on what it takes for someone to get a Medal of Honor and the emotional and physical trauma. Watch real life Medal of Honor recipients. And then think on the fact that Walker has THREE Medals of Honor, not just one. Most people don’t even get one medal, the fact that Walker has three speaks to his character far more than most people can even truly understand.
@@BlueSkullX Maybe he would have. If you constantly compared him to Steve, Sam wouldn't measure up either. Also, in Captain America 2, Steve outright admiotted that he did some less than savoury things during the war that wasn't featured in the film. If Steve met Walker instead of Sam, he'd recognise the good man, the trauma, and the flaws and help bring out the best in him. He'd teach him that his past as a soldier shouldn't define him, but the good man. Being a good man and a good soldier aren't mutually exlusive, Steve and walker are both. Walker just leans more towards the Good Soldier part, because modern warfare isn't as clean cut as Steve's day, it's all shades of grey where you never really know if you're fighting for the good guys. Also, just a reminder, Steve never saw the ugliness of war until after he became a super soldier. Walker has already seen the ugliness of war and is clearly still traumatised. They aren't so different as you might think.
@@iainwhite8617 No, he wouldn't. Steve would not like the fact that John executed some guy with the shield and got blood all over it. Steve said he did things during the war. That's not the same as John bashing some dude's brains in the middle of town. You can't compare actions in war time compared to what happened in the show. Because even if you did then it still wouldn't be the same since Steve arrested Zola after he was responsible for Bucky being blasted off the train and Steve thought he was dead. He didn't brutally kill Zola with the shield out of revenge and that was his best friend. 🤷 John killed a guy that didn't even kill Lamar. You're assuming and making up headcanon for what Steve would have done for John based on nothing. If Steve was still Captain America then he never would've even met John Walker. Steve was chosen because he was a good man. Not because he was a good soldier because he wasn't. Steve was a skinny kid who didn't have an impressive service record at all and everyone doubted him except for one scientist and Peggy. So, yes being a good man and a good soldier is exclusive. It's not the same. You can be both but being Captain America is not about being the best soldier. It's about already being the symbol of what America should be. Sam was already that when Steve met him because he was helping Veterans adjust to civilian life and working past their PTSD. He even helped Bucky with his trauma. Steve didn't have to mold Sam into being a good fit for the role. But you're talking about how Steve should groom John into it.There's the difference between the two. No one had to mold Steve's personality into a role and no one had to mold Sam either. John trying to be someone he's not to fit the role of Captain America is what made him snap and take the super soldier serum because he didn't think he was good enough and could only compete if he had powers. That was the biggest flaw in his character. He was insecure and didn't learn humility from getting defeated by stronger enemies. He should've worked on himself so he doesn't lose again. Sam didn't take the serum and just relies on his own skills and tech. He even trained with the shield manually without powers and mastered it. John may be a good soldier and maybe even a good person at heart but that doesn't mean he's fit for the role because he represents what America is and not what it should be. Also, you can't compare military service either since Steve has been through more than any Soldier has in the world. Both in the military and as an Avenger and saved the world from universal threats like Thanos, Loki and Ultron on top of military service. I think you're over hyping John way too much to the point where you're actually lowering Steve to his level and trying to make them the same which is weird. Just because John was a good soldier does not automatically mean that Steve would've given him the shield. Especially if he didn't even offer it to Bucky. Steve was friends with Sam long before he even knew he had the Falcon suit.
Correct me if I'm wrong but John Walker was Chosen to be the next Captain America and Because of that, Falcon and Bucky hate him for that which speaks hate fueled by Jealousy! Which makes them look like pretty much dicks to John! Hell John tried to gain their respect and even went as far as to say "Im not trying to replace steve" not only that but perhaps if maybe they treated John with a little bit more respect this would not have led to some kind of rivalry and plus it feels as though what John did killing that terroist guy can be Justified. I mean people is it really "evil" to kill terroists who hurt the innocents? Are IRL events like 9/11 a joke to you?
1- The punctuation and writing on your comment is a bit incoherent and hard to follow. 2- "what John did killing that terroist guy can be Justified" : It was completely justified. The guy had killed multiple innocent people, aided in the murder of Walker's best friend and had the super soldier serum, Walker did everyone a favour.
@@drowningmerman4256 The Flag Smashers didn't kill anyone innocent, the GRC Personnel were complicit in murder. Plus Walker killed a surrendering opponent, that's against the rules of war that the US keep bringing up
Only Bucky hated John for becoming Cap ,sam never hated him for that Sam just didn't want to work with John and Lemar because he was screwed by government and he is not ready trust two government puppets again Also John didn't kill the terrorist for noble intention he killed him just because he is angry
I never made it through the first episode, but I’ve read that John was surprisingly the one acting like an actual hero and that Sam and Bucky were just dicks to him. Is this true?
To the same guy who said that it must be easy for Bucky since he's a supersoldier even though he knows Bucky was the Winter Soldier and still suffering from the guilt of all the people he killed. Among other things...
Do you know what episode where John tells Bucky, "This is all really easy for you, isn't it? All that serum running through your veins." I've been trying to find it 😭
Bucky assasinated people for 50 years because he was brainwashed and yet he still forgives the same peron who did this to him, its like forgiving a toxic parent or rapist for tormenting you for 50 years. Like what the fuck
I know when bucky was the winter soldier his brain was off and he went to another level but Steve Rogers could barely hold bucky back but walker could handle bucky and Sam? Just feel they made walker more formidable then Steve Rogers
@@chadbinette3201He has three metal of honor, which no one else does, he is tested to have peak strengh, speed, edurance and intellegent. Even before he got the serum, he stoop his ground against super soldiers.
wow Bucky shows how much a bully he can be when he dont get his way so sad. John tried to live up to being Captain America no one person is the same bucky dont understand we are all Snow Flakes
Walker: *breathes*
Bucky: Oh my god, can you not?!
Bucky 🤝 me
😂😂😂
That's exactly how he was acting. It was ridiculous.
I mean, yeah, I have the same reaction every time I see his face 😅
@lizzie2307 we all do
I only realized that Bucky’s face really grimaced when Walker said “he was like a brother” 👀😬
O my gosh you right!
I know I was . Walker Lemar no offense but stop being cringey please
Bucky: “The audacity of this guy”
I can see where he comes from to a degree. The military is like a brotherhood, from past to present.
John walker: *exists*
Bucky: ... and i took that personally
He's not the only one..
@@NickyvonHungary
Definitely
Since then Walker has been on Bucky’s list.
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣😹
I mean I get Bucky, you know. Everyone wants to replace his best friend, he just misses Steve
The thing is, being Captain America was never a priority for Steve Rogers. He was just himself and stuck to what he knew was right. FFS, Steve went rogue three times. He was branded a traitor for the bulk of the time he was in the present.
The government passing the title on to someone else shouldn't matter so much because, seriously, Captain Rogers was better than Captain America.
It’s kind of like taking a massive shit on Steve’s grave by giving his own title to some random guy. Especially since Steve already had a successor in mind
@@christianaguiare544 A successor who gave it up immediately. It shouldn't have been surprising that the government reclaims the shield and uses it for good.
@@grayski3324 If Steve wanted to give it to the government than he would’ve told Sam. And let’s not forget this is a man who stole from a history museum and was a fugitive from the law for over 2 years
USSES IT FOR GOOD SORRY BUT CALLING YOURSELF CAPTAIN AMERICA WHILE INTRODUCING YOURSELF TELLS HIS ATTITUDE TAKE AWAY HIS SHEILD AND HE IS NOTHING @@grayski3324
Bucky: *Meets John* i feel the Winter Soldier coming back
Sam: But you're cured right?
Bucky: ...
Sam: Bucky?
Bucky: Ready to comply
Hahahahahaa
Ya Gotov Otvechat’
Mission Report: December 16th 1991
@@sidabundaioh crapppppo
Naaahhhhhhhhhhh
*he felt like a brother.*
Bucky: 😡
"so you choose war"
John: * start's talking*
Bucky: OH HELL NO-
This serie showed that everyone has a bad side: Walker, Karli, but most importantly Sam and Bucky, too. Everyone has flaws and as Zemo said, it's important to keep that in mind, otherwise we make them icons, and from that, bad things happen.
Bad things happened when the writters of this show were given work.
They had to evolve the 2 main characters, introduce at least 2 more. Make a stand alone story that fits into the MCU plus the Contessa and set up for the Thunderbolts film. What would you have done?
@@drowningmerman4256 Oh grow up. This is the kind of internal character conflict I wish I could see in Batman.
@@ShadowSonic2 The character conflict of being petty and hostile to a guy constantly trying to reach out to and work with him to stop a terrorist group?
@@drowningmerman4256 i mean, it does make sense why they’d act like that to john tho. he’s trying to be captain america more than he is trying to live up to his legacy and the way he interacts with sam and bucky shows an extension of that. i’d be pretty hostile if someone started trying to be a loved one i’d lost and tried to make a connection based on, especially following events i didn’t want to happen. (for sam, it was anyone taking up the shield since he put it in the museum. for bucky, it was the shield being anywhere that wasn’t with sam since steve wanted sam to have it)
The only man who travelled through time with him (in solid ice at that), the only man that could’ve saved him was his own childhood friend. Now someone else who’s entire persona was as an extension of the government has the gall to call a man he never knew like his own “Brother”. Yeah, I can’t really say I blame Bucky for being so pissed off at Steve’s replacement
Been there been there
Pissed at Walker for daring to tread in Steve’s shoes when he doesn’t have the first clue about what it means to be Captain America
Pissed at Sam for giving up the shield because he thought he wasn’t worthy of the title
Damn i feel bad for Barnes…
To me no one can replace Steve Rogers. They should have just honour him the way they did to Iron Man.
They are being canonically accurate from the comics. There have been multiple captain America’s. All of which should have their story told as they are all great characters. Get over it.
@@lotuslady9821 Yeah but that just causes confusion. Just like how there are different Robin's. Causes arguments on who's the best.
@@peeweemaroske8619 It doesn’t cause confusion lol if it does you have low brain power. And that’s kinda the point. Everyone has a favorite. It’s the same idea of Batman vs Superman. Everyone gets a character they like.
Someone clearly never read the comics. Captain America will always be replaced. Steve Rogers is a name, captain America is a mantle and it’s passed down. Bucky will probably be next. Steve Rogers is dead, move on.
The big difference with iron man is that there wasn’t many iron man’s ones that did succeed him went under different names as far as I can remember Iron Man IS Tony Stark as much as Tony Stark IS Iron Man.
The total Captain America is a symbol and a title rather than A identity. Steve Rogers never flaunted the titles Captain America he rarely if ever called himself that in the films unlike Iron Man who went on national tv and told the world who He was. Roger didn’t and wouldn’t want this to be specific to him as he sees it a symbol to carry America forward and to continue to be a symbol.
1:45 Bucky: don’t go down that road believe me it doesn’t end well
John: I’m not like you
Me: 🤭
No fair bucky is pure now
“This bitch-“
I was like “The audacity of this bitc-
bucky stans all really went “😚🔪” at that (me included)
but he really isn't...he chose to save people of his own accord with no friend to break him out of his trauma, even though those people fcked him over and over again, John doesn't even do mindless killing...
This series made Bucky be my favourite MCU character
Your favourites tend to be shitty people?
Same
They also turned Bucky and Sam into bitter jackasses that threw olive branches in John's face.
Bucky and Sam are supposed to be the good guys in this series? Sam kept on letting the flag smashers go. They indirectly let Lamar get killed.
Same
@@9751matt what Sam and Bucky did to John? They said they are not interested to work with John that's it
Only mistake Sam and Bucky did in the series was working with John in episode 4
I can not fuCKing wAIT for these two to interact again in the Thunderbolts. It’s gonna be sO gOOD.
there should’ve been a test, if you can lift thor’s hammer you can have the shield
i think what gets to me is that John walker just calls him bucky straight up. its still a nickname, id be inclined to dislike someone who just starts adrssing my by nickname first thing.
Wtf are you talking about??
The Smithsonian literally has a name plague that says Bucky Barnes, given Walker likely grew up with a lot of history stuff that also calls him Bucky, that’s the name he went with.
@@CaptainPikeachu it doesn't say bucky Barnes it has his full name on it and people he's close with can only call uim bucky as it was a nickname given to him by Steve and Steve was someone who had a good judge of character which is why Sam can call him bucky or buck its a nickname people shouldn't out right call him by the first time you see him.
@@jaquanbrown413 that’s the same reason zemo calls him James at times
The hilarious thing is that Zemo always calls him "James" and Bucky doesn't get mad at that.
Buck was probably like *is he srly gaslighting me about my boyfriend as if he knows better*
I don't get it why people hate so much John Walker but in the other hand love Homelander from The Boys...
Homelander is a jerk and John Walker is a Steve Rogers wannabe.
I'd guess because Homelander is clearly written as a villain, where as Walker is written as how a human would act but the show frames him as a villain.
I hate John Walker…I really like Soldier Boy. 🤷🏻♀️
You can love a villain
You’re assuming that the people who hate John Walker are the same people who love Homelander.
Personally, I’m happy to hate BOTH characters.
Okay but imagine your best friend who’s the closest thing you have to a brother leaves you and the guy who is basically meant to replace him goes and says “he feels like a brother.” After everything Steve and Bucky did for each other? Yeah, I would be pissed too.
Yeah, but saying that he felt that Steve was a brother to him didn’t feel wrong, didn’t say he was the only brother, just that he like A brother, cause he felt inspired by Steve, Bucky getting angry that someone got so inspired by Steve to the point that John considers Steve a brother just makes him seem like a toxic fanboy who can’t accept when other people look up to the same person he does, that’s like getting mad at someone for considering your friend a hero to them, that isn’t bad, that’s just being inspired by someone you’re attached to
(Plus, John didn’t even want to be Captain America, until later in his career when he realized that him being Captain America can save more lives, so he accepts it, cause he feels like other people need him)
Bucky & Sam vs Walker: takes 15 minutes
Winter Soldier vs Steve: haha, I got your shield
2:10 Crazy to hear him say that... knowing how things go down...
John: walks into room
Bucky: safety off ▄︻̷̿┻̿═━一
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John walker tried so hard to be the next cap only to realize in the end hes meant to be his own super hero. There was no need to hate on walker. He was really trying . In reality no one will ever have steves heart not even sam or bucky. If steve met walker he would respect him unlike everyone else who had a stink eye for walker
I think this is true but the reason I dislike Walker is because with some things he really crossed the line. First of all the cold-blooded murder of a man who wasn’t even the one that killed his best friend? But also little things like acting all familiar with Sam and Bucky when they didn’t know each other (because that would piss me off too if someone did that to me irl). And some of the comments he made to Bucky were super out of line (“I’m not like you” “This is all really easy for you isn’t it?”). Like that man is dealing with extreme PTSD and self-loathing, and Walker really wasn’t helping. But yeah Sam and Bucky did act a bit too asshole-y to Walker even if I understand where they were coming from
@@fulcrum097 That man was a terrorist, a living weapon that would've gotten away, if it wasn't for John and he was the reason his best friend died, put you in that situation, you wouldn't do the same? The whole time Walker has been nothing but nice to the both of them only to be treated like trash.
Honestly his overqualified to be captain america
@@fulcrum097in the words of George W Bush, "we don't negotiate with terrorists."
'bc u smell'
Literally had to pause the video.
I'm dyinggggg. 😂😂😂😂😂
I only disliked John because of how often he said he was Captain America. He was way to arrogant about it.
Atleast he is more human than Sam
I bet 99% of people would have used that title as a shell, he wasn't doing nothing.
True, but compared to Sam who kept trying to show he was the “real” Captain America, I think John has a right to say he’s Captain America, cause most of the time, he was helping everyone out, not for some sinister purpose, but because he actually felt happy doing the right thing, like when he comforted Lamar’s family after he died, or when he decided to help people who were in a truck who were going to be killed from falling from a ledge, that’s true heroism, more than whatever Sam was doing, who tried to be sympathetic with the literal Terrorists who killed multiple innocent people, and attacked John for killing only one Terrorist
@@Grag235Didn't Sam and Bucky stop the Flagsmashers and saved all the hostages? What did John do except execute one in public? Of course, you'd act like Sam didn't do anything just because you like John more
This is underrated 😆😂
Ah, Mr Hiase.
Ah, Mr Haise Sasaki. How have you been?
Um, John, His name is James. Do Not Call Him Bucky! You don't have that right.
I like the way Bucky kicks Walker’s ass
- Looking strong, John! 🤪
- Buckyyyy 🙄
Just a reminder that Bucky fought in WWII. Walker strutting around in his friend's costume acting like he's a big deal because he fought in some police actions and occupations is probably enough to get on Bucky's nerves.
Walker: "I've been shot at! I've seen action."
Barnes: "Bitch, I've been held prisoner by both Hydra and the KGB, and I've outlived both groups."
How many medals of honour did Barnes recieve. And as far as I know, neither he nor Sam have ever jumped on a live grenade. Walker has. By his own logic, Walker is more deserving of the title than either of them.
Sgt Barnes to you, walker. show some respect.
I think Walker outranks him in the military though.. wasn;t he an officer?
@@englishlady9797 Bucky just did more than John in terms of service. Both in the Military and Superhero world
@@BlueSkullX I mean John wsa probably in the armed forces longer than Bucky, but yeah-- having served in WW2 and fought HYDRA during the worst war in history is pretty much unmatchable.
@englishlady9797
So what? You address people you don't know formally. Not by their NICKNAME!
@@galinabrack6057 Yeah, Bucky only lets people call him that who know him or who he likes. Walker should maybe address him as Barnes or Sgt Barnes since they are both military vets.
Outro song ?
I think no one should call him "Bucky" except Steve
How Capt America 4 isnt Sam and Bucky in a buddy cop movie escapes me
Bucky and Sam keep duckin' on John and Lemar feels like the writers were copying what Mr Incredible did to Buddy/Incediboy/Syndrome:
Police Officer: You mean he (Bomb Voyage) got away?
Mr. Incredible: Well, yeah. Skippy here made sure of that.
Incrediboy: INCREDIBOY!...
Mr. Incredible: You’re not affiliated with me!
Gov. Agents: You mean the "Flag-Smashers" got away?
Wilson: Well, yes but to be fair...
Barnes: (interrupts and gestures to Walker) Until Johnny-Boy here let it happened.
Walker: I'M CAPTAIN AMERICA!...
Barnes: You’re not affiliated with us!
Didn't Walker save their lives in the first encounter and tehn they both let him and Lemar deal with the terrorist alone? The fuck is that comparisson?
@@drowningmerman4256 He told Bucky and Sam to not interfere with him...and then he spent the rest of the show interfering with THEM.
@@ShadowSonic2 Didnt John ask Sam and Bucky if they could cooperate first, but Sam and Bucky were too busy being a bag of dicks to have any courtesy whatsoever?
@@ShadowSonic2 because they wouldn't leave the issue to him. That's the whole point. Bucky and Sam aren't very good heroes.
2:18 Bucky didn’t need to be crazy to see that this man is clearly unhinged
Walker shouldnt be allowed to call him Bucky 😡
John: "Your partner is in there. Do you want his blood on your hands?"
My guy you rushing in is the reason hoskins your partner got murdered by accident
John: I get it *Bucky*
Bucky: You Motherf-
where's the original
it got blocked in my main channel @mykingbird
Sebastian Stam / James Buchanan Barnes Winter Soldier
Times where I wished Bucky would go all Winter soldier on John walkers ass
Actually no I always wanted him to go all winter soldier on John’s since the start of the show
For what?
For doing his job?
Stop being an asshole
R.I.P Lamar Hoskins. I genuinely feel sorry for Lamar with all the unjustified hatred for him and everyone siding with the people who murdered him. He seemed like a decent guy but didn't stand a chance against super-soldiers or pyscho punk kids with a serum.
Also he was telling the truth. Bucky and Sam were getting thier asses kicked.
Sam and Bucky should have mentored him to be Captain America
But instead used Lamars death to steal back the shield
Biggest mistake Sam and Bucky did in the series was working with John in episode 4
Also the shield doesn't belong to Walker after what he did at the end of the episode
@@SA_586biggest mistake sam did was
He thought he will be next Steve Rogers 😂
@@SA_586didn't Steve did the same thing in civil war?
John literally lost his best friend
@@SA_586 Killing a super human terrorist makes him not worthy of the shield, when Iron Man does the same thing to Terrorists WITHOUT super human abilities? Plus, Steve killed several people, but he isn’t seen as a bad person, why is one bad and the other isn’t when they both do exactly the same thing?
he didnt deserve steves shield sorry
I hate John Walker just as much or more than Bucky does
The fact that bucky become weaker when he became a good guy
he didn't he just holds back because he's scared he's still strong he just doesn't really want to fight anymore
He's not weaker he's just holding back because he doesn't want to hurt people (it's literally shown in episode 3 how strong he can be if he wants to)
I love this
Mander Moore / Rachel Saruzner Ladd Venom
Rachel Saruzne Ladd daughter of the Sue Ladd
Arauptinse Kid Rachel Saruzner Ladd / Venom
Arauptinse T'Challa / Black Panther
Corzey Lopez / Carlos Curry Prince Doctor Rider
Carlos Curry Prince Son of the Diana Prince
Johns really pissed me off holding the winter soldier over Bucky, anyone being the same in his circumstance after being brainwashed.
Bucky knew John would Snap.
Bucky acts like Captain America was Steve's birthright. It was a job he was given by the government. He was really good at the job, but it was still a job. Walker already has his work cut out for him living up to the legacy Steve set without Bucky scowling over his soldier. Imagine getting a new job and the best friend of the person who previously had it just shows up to tell you that you aren't shit.
_"I'M BATTLESTAR." ....😶_
Sees John-I feel a storm brewing 💀
Ikr bucky was such a butthurt snowflake during the show💀
I personally don't think that. He's got years of trauma from being in the war, being kidnapped and experimented on by Zola, falling to his "death", being tortured, and brainwashed and doing many horrible things as the winter soldier, fighting Thanos, then losing his best friend. Like Bucky told his therapist (who I really don't like) he fought one fight after another for ninety years, he got a little peace in Wakanda but then even that was taken from him.
@@beccagregory3586 i understand what you are saying, but i am reffering to his behavior towards john walker, the guy is telling him that he doesn't want to replace steve, he just wants to be the best captain he can be, after falcon gives it up, does bucky give him a chance? Not even for one minute, from the start just puts him down as unworthy, that is snowflake behavior
@@beccagregory3586He acted like a child throughout the series
Captain America is NOT the perfect soldier, he is a good man. Walker had too much of an ego
I’ve noticed a of people here are mad at Bucky for being a jerk to Walker for no reason, when I honestly think he was still grieving Steve. I’d be angry too if I was in Bucky’s position. Even after John admits he doesn’t want to replace Steve, I would still be mad, because he would be reminding me of Steve every time I saw him. (Also Walker claimed Steve was like his brother, even though that was untrue.)
Bruh I'm Dead 🤣
This just makes Bucky look bad.
Can't wait for them to form a badass and loyal friendship in Thunderbolts.
😭 pls no
Bucky don't deserve his friendship after how he treated him
@unnaturaldodo how bucky treated walker or walker treated bucky
Wow Bucky must hate John Walker
The world:That guy died?
Bucky and Sam:Yeah,Walker here did that.
Walker:Captain America!
Bucky and Sam:YOUR NOT AFFILIATED WITH ME!!!!
😂😂😂
Walker sucks. I totally wanted Bucky to punch him from the time he first appeared.
Bucky: Don't go down that road, believe me it doesn't end well.
Walker: I'm not like you!
Me: Alright that tears it! 😡🔪
why do people hate him so much
They prefer pure vanilla ice cream
You know what I mean
@@nohomonohetero7932 Yea. I do.
There's a lot of subtle and not so subtle stuff that sets Walker up as not a great dude. Honestly, the first clip we get of Walker he's punching lockers because he doesn't get his way about something. Everything about the way he's presented as Cap is what the Government wanted Cap to be and Steve fought to stay away from. He's like Bizarro Cap. He also walks up to Sam and Bucky as if he's their equals, and it's completely unearned narratively. He hasn't shown us he can play on their level yet.
There are also some of us who think that the costume designers may have purposely designed Walker's Cap outfit to be less than flattering on purpose to make it look out of place on him. It looks like a kid dressed up as Cap for Halloween, not like this is a bespoke costume made with his face and body in mind. Maybe we're reading too much into it but they've done such consistently good work and then he gets the crappiest mask? Feels like there's a chance it's intentional. If it isn't the dude was WRONGED with how bad that cowl looks on him. He looks like Mr. Magoo with it on.
0:22 Sam sounds like a mother reprimanding a child lol
John Walker was a walking red flag and the dude should never have been allowed within 100 yards of that shield. He's what would have happened if someone like Hodge was given the serum instead of Steve. I am totally on board with Bucky hating him, because Walker hasn't earned the shield in Bucky or the audience's eyes, and he's not exactly trying to. He feels entitled to it.
Absolutely hate how weak they made buckey
I almost threw up when John said the word Bucky🤮
I'm still miffed Sam didn't honor Steve's final request
I actually get it. Sam didn't feel like he could be Cap. He knew he couldn't live up to the image that Steve presented to the world it was only Bucky who knew that the Steve that tge world saw was just an image not the real man
So in otherworldly Bucky not being professional enough to set aside personal feelings for his allies in order to get the job done like real soldiers do and John trying to work with Sam and Bucky so the job gets done? Yeah Walker did nothing wrong
All three have too many issues to be put in the field. Given how Karli died, this whole thing could've been wrapped up more easily by a spec ops unit with a precise application of gunfire.
Sam and Bucky didn't work with Walker because he is asshole who screwed their plan in episode 4
@@SA_586 Plan, that they did not disclose to him, did not inform him, and John had to work with what he have and he is a bad guy here? Don't you think, if they would be a little less assholes themselves, if they put aside their feeling and work as, well, professionals should work, they'd would deal with all those terrorists a lot more faster, and saved a lot more lives?
I still think the doramalge should have just taken the sheild back to wakanda
Bucky: Don’t go down that road.
Walker: I’m not like you
Well yeah, Bucky became a moody dick after 70 years of brainwashing and torture. What’s your excuse John?
20 years of military trauma and just now seeing his best friend get murdered might also trigger some bad reactions
Also I might highly recommend you do research on what it takes for someone to get a Medal of Honor and the emotional and physical trauma. Watch real life Medal of Honor recipients. And then think on the fact that Walker has THREE Medals of Honor, not just one. Most people don’t even get one medal, the fact that Walker has three speaks to his character far more than most people can even truly understand.
@@CaptainPikeachu Doesn't change the fact that he's being a hypocrite.
@@CaptainPikeachu Yeah, but the sad thing is that it was Walker's own impulsiveness that ultimately caused Lemar's death.
@@CaptainPikeachu you fuckin told him 👍
@@ShadowSonic2 How did Walkers impulsiveness cause Karli to punch Lamar into there pillar? You're simping harder than Falcon for her
Never resonated more with Bucky on an opinion than now
Is it just me or does Walker look like a different person in every clip?
Stop😑 disrespecting Our Captain America by using that guy
Steve would have liked john if he was alive
@@RajaShaw-rf5dqBut he wouldn't have given him the shield.
@@BlueSkullX Maybe he would have. If you constantly compared him to Steve, Sam wouldn't measure up either. Also, in Captain America 2, Steve outright admiotted that he did some less than savoury things during the war that wasn't featured in the film. If Steve met Walker instead of Sam, he'd recognise the good man, the trauma, and the flaws and help bring out the best in him. He'd teach him that his past as a soldier shouldn't define him, but the good man. Being a good man and a good soldier aren't mutually exlusive, Steve and walker are both. Walker just leans more towards the Good Soldier part, because modern warfare isn't as clean cut as Steve's day, it's all shades of grey where you never really know if you're fighting for the good guys. Also, just a reminder, Steve never saw the ugliness of war until after he became a super soldier. Walker has already seen the ugliness of war and is clearly still traumatised. They aren't so different as you might think.
@@iainwhite8617 No, he wouldn't. Steve would not like the fact that John executed some guy with the shield and got blood all over it. Steve said he did things during the war. That's not the same as John bashing some dude's brains in the middle of town. You can't compare actions in war time compared to what happened in the show. Because even if you did then it still wouldn't be the same since Steve arrested Zola after he was responsible for Bucky being blasted off the train and Steve thought he was dead. He didn't brutally kill Zola with the shield out of revenge and that was his best friend. 🤷 John killed a guy that didn't even kill Lamar. You're assuming and making up headcanon for what Steve would have done for John based on nothing. If Steve was still Captain America then he never would've even met John Walker. Steve was chosen because he was a good man. Not because he was a good soldier because he wasn't. Steve was a skinny kid who didn't have an impressive service record at all and everyone doubted him except for one scientist and Peggy. So, yes being a good man and a good soldier is exclusive. It's not the same. You can be both but being Captain America is not about being the best soldier. It's about already being the symbol of what America should be. Sam was already that when Steve met him because he was helping Veterans adjust to civilian life and working past their PTSD. He even helped Bucky with his trauma. Steve didn't have to mold Sam into being a good fit for the role. But you're talking about how Steve should groom John into it.There's the difference between the two. No one had to mold Steve's personality into a role and no one had to mold Sam either. John trying to be someone he's not to fit the role of Captain America is what made him snap and take the super soldier serum because he didn't think he was good enough and could only compete if he had powers. That was the biggest flaw in his character. He was insecure and didn't learn humility from getting defeated by stronger enemies. He should've worked on himself so he doesn't lose again. Sam didn't take the serum and just relies on his own skills and tech. He even trained with the shield manually without powers and mastered it. John may be a good soldier and maybe even a good person at heart but that doesn't mean he's fit for the role because he represents what America is and not what it should be. Also, you can't compare military service either since Steve has been through more than any Soldier has in the world. Both in the military and as an Avenger and saved the world from universal threats like Thanos, Loki and Ultron on top of military service. I think you're over hyping John way too much to the point where you're actually lowering Steve to his level and trying to make them the same which is weird. Just because John was a good soldier does not automatically mean that Steve would've given him the shield. Especially if he didn't even offer it to Bucky. Steve was friends with Sam long before he even knew he had the Falcon suit.
Justified
Indeed
Naa Bucky was butthurt for no reason
Correct me if I'm wrong but John Walker was Chosen to be the next Captain America and Because of that, Falcon and Bucky hate him for that which speaks hate fueled by Jealousy! Which makes them look like pretty much dicks to John! Hell John tried to gain their respect and even went as far as to say "Im not trying to replace steve" not only that but perhaps if maybe they treated John with a little bit more respect this would not have led to some kind of rivalry and plus it feels as though what John did killing that terroist guy can be Justified. I mean people is it really "evil" to kill terroists who hurt the innocents? Are IRL events like 9/11 a joke to you?
1- The punctuation and writing on your comment is a bit incoherent and hard to follow.
2- "what John did killing that terroist guy can be Justified" : It was completely justified. The guy had killed multiple innocent people, aided in the murder of Walker's best friend and had the super soldier serum, Walker did everyone a favour.
Sam didn't hate Walker, he always tried to be respectful to him and diplomatic.
Bucky was the one who was the dick to him.
@@drowningmerman4256 The Flag Smashers didn't kill anyone innocent, the GRC Personnel were complicit in murder. Plus Walker killed a surrendering opponent, that's against the rules of war that the US keep bringing up
@@ShadowSonic2 "the GRC Personnel were complicit in murder" When?
You are really investing on defending this dogshit of a show, aren't you?
Only Bucky hated John for becoming Cap ,sam never hated him for that
Sam just didn't want to work with John and Lemar because he was screwed by government and he is not ready trust two government puppets again
Also John didn't kill the terrorist for noble intention he killed him just because he is angry
I never made it through the first episode, but I’ve read that John was surprisingly the one acting like an actual hero and that Sam and Bucky were just dicks to him. Is this true?
No.
completely true
@@unnaturaldodoWho did John save in this show? Sam and Bucky stopped the Flagsmashers and saved all of the hostages
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
also known as Bucky being a toxic bully for 3 mins 👍🏼
To the same guy who said that it must be easy for Bucky since he's a supersoldier even though he knows Bucky was the Winter Soldier and still suffering from the guilt of all the people he killed. Among other things...
Now I'm disappointed in tony stark for not doing what he should have done in civil war
Bucky's behavior in the series wasn't any better. In fact, I found myself disliking him a lot more than Walker.
Do you know what episode where John tells Bucky, "This is all really easy for you, isn't it? All that serum running through your veins." I've been trying to find it 😭
Never mind I found it 😁
john literally murdered someone
Bucky assasinated people for 50 years because he was brainwashed and yet he still forgives the same peron who did this to him, its like forgiving a toxic parent or rapist for tormenting you for 50 years. Like what the fuck
What the fuck why? You have not a single reason to. His behavior is justified. John is just a cocky bastard.
I know when bucky was the winter soldier his brain was off and he went to another level but Steve Rogers could barely hold bucky back but walker could handle bucky and Sam? Just feel they made walker more formidable then Steve Rogers
I think we are supposed to get the idea that Bucky is kind of holding back now too.
@@TrappedinSLC He was craving for that fight so nah
His a war veteran so there's that
@@unnaturaldodo and bucky and Steve Rogers aren't war veterans? Pretty sure bucky has more ptsd than walker could ever fathom
@@chadbinette3201He has three metal of honor, which no one else does, he is tested to have peak strengh, speed, edurance and intellegent. Even before he got the serum, he stoop his ground against super soldiers.
wow Bucky shows how much a bully he can be when he dont get his way so sad. John tried to live up to being Captain America no one person is the same bucky dont understand we are all Snow Flakes
this show made me hate Sam and bucky so much, they're nothing but assholes to walker
Why are u making me do this?!!