Living With The UK’s CHEAPEST New Car
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- čas přidán 13. 05. 2024
- Jack reviews the new Dogood Zero: an electric microcar which claims the title of "UK's cheapest new car". With a price tag you wouldn't be surprised to see on a high end e-bike, could vehicles like this be the future of urban mobility?
00:00 Intro
1:07 Whogood?
1:46 Exterior walkaround
3:22 The joy of tiny cars
5:08 Interior tour
9:20 A modern day G-Wiz?
11:00 Worth the money?
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It looks like fun but whatever marketing genius came up with the name "Dogood zero" needs to be fired.
When I first saw the name in print I thought it was dogfood😅
@@trueriver1950 how about dogdoo zero
Change the name and remove the steering wheel badge then I might consider it 🏴
@@trueriver1950 dog💩 is more appropiate
Do zero good? I don't know what the fuck they were thinking
"Tonight, James wears a hat. Richard wears a hat and Jack drives one of his own shoes"
😂😂😂 ffs
Bahahaha!
LOL
@@JackScarlett1😁😁 love your work. sir!
..is the battery fire-safe..??
..is the insurance cheap on it ..??
..can it fly..?? 😉
..do you think it may take off..??
I'd be worried about pot holes, maybe you'd never be seen again. 😂
If all crs on the road were like this one, there wouldn't be pot holes
@@enihi no buses or lorries then?
See how efficient this feeeeeeeeeeeeeeellllls ⬇️⬇️
Hit a 4” deep pothole like we suffer on any of our rural roads around where I live and I can just wince at the thought of the wheel in the hole left spinning in air as the bottom of the battery graunches along the road …. Just before the whole thing tips over.
It was very noticeable how the car was driven by weaving all over the width of the roads to avoid speed bumps and relatively minor potholes. I like the idea in principle, but it looks like a total death trap if driven on roads shared with vans, trucks and buses.
It’s slow so you’ll see them and you’ll easily be able to dodge them due to the size
Its an alibaba special, drop shipped into a warehouse in the UK, (hastily) assembled.
Perhaps the rebranding is a way of dodging all those warranty claims that are stacking up.
Forgive me if I sound clinical but this has been done before and it has left a lot of people burnt.
Exactly. Assembled as in sticking a horrible sticker on the steering wheel.
Sung to the tune of the national anthem
and given a free no questions advert on here
@@rp9674
You don't sound like a doctor at all.
That still makes it more British than Rolls Royce (Germany), Jaguar (India) or Prince Archie (US).
What do you mean there are no bells and whistles ? Stereo, Sun roof, Heater and by the look of it electric windows. Looks well spec'd for what it is to me.
Such things are not too difficult to add on via aftermarket supplies.
Perfect platform for adding elements of luxury to. Let's face it, if you like good tunes, you want good audio solutions to convert away from dollar store grade audio.
There is a market for upgrades, and all vehicle manufacturers should also offer choices in grade of components from the tires on up.
I want adjustable suspension and will source it out, better audio, logical insulation so a heater wont have to drain the power, maybe a better grade of steering wheel, seat covering, laser cut 3M exterior protection film because it's better than not having it even if not travelling above the slow speed of the transaxle. Oh, even those transaxles can be upgraded should someone want it to go faster, but faster does mean more running costs, insurance for example.
It's like if a Citroen Ami was upgraded to be a proper car
It even may or may not have A/C. For a 6 grand new car, I'd expect a simple heater, and a bus-style fan just tacked onto the corner, if there was any heater at all.
assuming the AC is working once the fan is activated that sounds quite good actually, yes.
And a PTC
It’s basically a motorised wheelchair with a roof. But I like it.
Hi how are you?
Yeah it's just a slightly souped-up mobility scooter ahah. Still, it's good to have a vehicle option in that niche.
@@JohnHuxleySavagebut can take passengers.
TBF, that basically describes all cars.
😂😂😂😂🎉🎉🎉😅
I just cancelled my Ferrari order.
😂😂😂
Your gonna pick up all the chicks
An AliBaba special with a 🇬🇧 stuck on the steering wheel.
How unpatriotic
The most British car with a Union Jack since the City Rover
That’s what I was thinking. There’s no way that’s a British car 😂
Pretty sure I've just found the exact car on Alibaba for £1800.
I mean, isn't tea also a British symbol dropshipped from China
For £6k I still want those wires covered!
Agreed
And perhaps 40 mph top speed.
That exactly why they created gaffer tape😉
£6k? You are kidding me!
@@brummiesalteno-81 Not sure the car and driver would survive an impact at that (brick wall) or higher (on coming vehicle) velocities.
7:10 - PTC = Positive Temperature Coefficient. It is a resistive heater in this electric car. The PTC aspect of it is a technical one: at first the heater will draw a high power. When the heater then heats up, its resistance will rise with temperature (therefore: positive coefficient: higher temperature higher resistance) and it will draw less power. This way, it regulates itself. It is the standard way to do simple air heaters like in a hairdryer.
The unmarked switch may be for an accessory like seat heating or rear fog light. The A/C button is photoshopped out on the web site, so it is likely not functional on purpose. Still, you should have looked it up in the owners manual, that all products sold are required to be delivered with.
Wish my Nissan had this. The heater is either on or off as far as I know!
Great info! I wish car testers had a look at the manual before recording the videos... 🙄🙄
Why doesn't it just say heater? Or have a heater symbol on it?
@@cornishhh I thought the same... perhaps because it is a longer word and it would not look as good?
Layman's terms rules.
Thankyou for the transparency, the vulcan knowledge shared.
It's always nice to avoid the magic smoke or misinterpretation of things such as a installed mystery switch.
There's a reason why we definitely should see graphical warning labels on things such a jugs of bleach, a good thing because without warnings, you just know some idiots drank it like a trip to the jonestown koolade festival.
It has a glass roof! There are cars where the glass roof option is the cost of this entire car.
much better cars to be honest
Power windows! Booyakasha!
Really over £6,000?
I cringed when Lou bumped the roof, clearly in pain from getting his hat button forcibly pressed into the top of his head. Solidarity, Lou!
I fly gliders and caps with central buttons are NOT allowed. (The button can damage the scull during excessive turbulence). the same rule should be with this car. I also think that he gives an honest appraisal of the £6,000 car.
According to CleanTechnica it's a rebadged Shandong a520
That makes sense
I was 98% sure it would be Chinese.
Shouldn’t have a Union Jack on the steering wheel unless made in UK.
@@PedalForward For all we know the Union Jack badge IS made in the UK. I agree it's a tacky touch.
Thanks for identifying it. I was pretty sure that this company was just buying these on Alibaba and slapping a Union Jack on the steering wheel. How much does it cost in China?
Is it a small car or a big mobility scooter?
Neither, did you watch the video ?
If a car falls in the woods...
If a tiger falls in the woods, would he be a golfer?
@@rp9674
He was driving a car at that time.
Probably a battery EV judging by the crash and his injuries.
Obviously.
We talked of nothing else for minutes, in the clubhouse, of a night.
Until the booze kicked in and the 19th got busy again.
It's an AC cabin with wheels. Old folks love it
I can't overstate how much I was willing you to try and tip it over during the final summary
100%
I did try to roll it while driving. No success. I deff reckon I could push it over if I really put my mind to it though.
Tip over danger, especially if you live near a University, and the students are having their spring time protest about something.
Without wanting to take away what the Dogood is offering there are currently two Smart ForTwo ED (451's) on Auto Trader for under £6k.
Sure you can't do the illegal stuff like skip through bollards but you can do 70mph and have a range of around 70 miles. They are a hoot to drive and perfect for the city.
I'm not even sure if driving through the bollards is illegal. There's no signage indicating that you can't drive through there, it's just that most cars (even back in the 70s when these bollards were installed) would not be physically able to fit through.
That Smart ForTwo is ten years old. Apples to oranges. They're £16,420 new, and everyone knows that you take a hit once you drive out of a showroom, especially since its ten-year-old battery would cost another £6k to replace if it's near dead. You could buy another Dogood for that, or replace the battery in your old one since it would be a third of the cost since it's less than a third the capacity at 4.8Kw as opposed to 17.6Kw in the Smart ForTwo.
Obviously used cars are better value, and you'd probably be lucky to get £1k for a ten year Dogood if they existed.
@@user-bf8tv8xv4wI disagree, both are small city cars for £6k so apples to apples in my book, one vehicle is a fulley fledged car from an established manufacturer, the other is a rebadged Chinese microcar.
As for needing a replacement battery please stop talking bollocks, when I was driving a Smart ForTwo ED it was 8 years old and returning better than book range. My current EV is even older (13 years old) and it also returns book range.
@@turbokadett You can't seem to comprehend that there's a difference between new and used. Those cars were £16,420 new.
You'd pay up to £250k for a new Merc Maybach, but you can pick up a ten year old roller for under £39k. The RR badge has more cachée, and there's more legroom for you and your chauffeur.
And you will probably be able to pick up a ten year old Doggod in future for £1k. That's heaps cheaper than the latest showroom price of a Smart Fortwo of £22,225.
That's over 22 times the price for a smrt since we are allowed to compare today's new price to a ten year old car that's been stunk up by someone else.
@@turbokadett
Yes, but, other people drive in other ways. The battery could be ok or not.
Thank goodness battery cars are in decline and hydrogen cars aren't.
What a waste of time effort and money battery EVs turned out to be.
The residuals on some cars are enough to make a grown person weep.
A few minutes on CAP Hpi should move you to tears as well.
And, to cheer up everyone not stuck with a battery EV that nobody is rushing to buy, even the dealers, JCB is building hydrogen buses in Ireland.
Perhaps Sadiq will put some on the roads in London Town to replace the travelling crematoria?
Damn straight, this is all we need in our cities. Should be one available to hire from every block.
Put one on every street corner!
More than only one should be available really, and mayors should demonstrate their ability for logical city planning and The Right To Mobility.
Give em a call. I wanna attend town council meeting(s) related to this concern, and to help boost disability rights, human rights, and ecology in a most timely manner.
You might be a catalyst even as a individual, you qualify as human, more human than some humans.
Cheers from a farming zone in canada.
@@JackScarlett1 Ha, I was going to say every street, but changed it because I thought that might seem a bit too radical...
Who's cleaning them inside?
Automatically driven - these could be circulating around cities, you hire one via phone and it drives itself to you and off again at the destination, on to the next.
My heart sunk when I saw the Union Jack slapped on the steering wheel: "I'm a bit crap but buy me anyway cuz I'm British, God save the King!"
Likewise.
I just want to show my apreciation and respect for this channel. The reviews have personality and engage the viewer independently of lacking interest in buying such early stages of electrical machines. Keep up the awesome work! Greetings from Spain!
I have just done three video's showing my respect for Rob Llewellin, lol. I wonder if jack would privately agree? I hope so, and hope Rob has left our almost Russian shores?
Seeing it pass by Nissan Micras and Fiat 500s makes you realise that even "small cars" just aren't that small any more. This thing is a great entry in the market. Good luck to them.
They are kind of like those covered mobility scooters you see in amsterdam
But those you see there are wayyy more expensive --- than this
Those cost about €15,000.
@@keepcreationprocess😊
Amster-damn!
I would say more like the road going golf carts that are used in the US.
I'll be honest, you may as well by an old leaf, ion etc. small cars but with more range (even taking into account battery degredation), better interior and 4 proper seats. I saw an ion for
As someone who may be described as a commuter in Britain, I find it insulting that anyone would think that this is what we need and this is what we deserve.
Rest assured you won't see any politicians using one to whizz around London.
You must spend a lot of time feeling insulted.
When you said 'next week we do fly tipping' you should have dropped a sweet wrapper out of the window. Just to show the rebel in you.
Change the name tu Fukzgivn Zero
that gave me a coughing fit - excellent line :)
Its basically a 4 wheeled moped with a roof
It's better than what Gilligan drove, aside from the nice tropical island, if it wasnt a backdrop for a landlocked hollywood studio set.
If a person needs to get groceries home in the rain or wind etc, this is all they need to be practical.
In the way that a house is a no wheeled moped with a roof walls and a foundation
@@truetech4158 Wind? be careful, looks like it might get airborne 🤣🤣
You can actually get a decent enough small electric used car for 6k and it will be loads better and much safer
@@chrisspain I'd like to see some savage abuse of these to show people just exactly what they can expect under specific environmental and terrain conditions.
I want to also see mods done to them and demonstrations so others can mod/add luxury and other practical elements to theirs.
What you wrote, could result in seeing one flying around, with a wing kit, and some on youtube would do that with a motor, then a jet.
Just include the landing gear, perhaps a rapid deployment airbag and parashute type that vacuums itself up cooler than when that corvette landed on earth in the beginning of the movie Heavy Metal.
We should ask the A.I. to produce a version of that movie.
Look, if it turns out dangerous, they can still be ok, with the purchase/construction of a proper exoskeleton.
The major down side of these cars, over bikes, is in a car park you still need a space and to pay lots for it. A bike will win every time for efficient storage and low parking costs.
If you feel the need for protection from the weather and/or traffic? What if they were for instant hire via your phone, automatically driven to you?
@@sroberts605 I would love hire schemes and auto-driving to be rolled out widescale, but I feel safe with cycle lane and waterproof clothing as a solution that we already have (in the city where I live). I would prefer to be on a cycle path on a bike vs at a roundabout with a HGV in a microcar. It all about options and choices and bikes seem to work better for me for most
@@michaelkinsella1559 For me too, but if this was the other vehicle filling the roads (the cycle lanes around here are either non-existant or worse), I think that would be an improvement.
But, a motorbike will LOSE every time on safety, load carrying and KEEPING DRY AND WARM!!!!
..... Everything depends on how you SPIN Your argument ......!!!!!
....where you BIAS lies ... etc etc....
@@andymccabe6712 for sure, and also what your used to.
I absolutely fully agree with you pinion at the end!! Fantastic video and commentary. Good hand usage :)
A brilliantly informative, funny video.
Laughed out loud in Tesco waiting for my missus (who's currently price checking every item on every shelf)
This is exactly what is needed for town and local use, and at the right price at last.
Without affordability, the ecosystem takes a observable nosedive for disingenuous billionaire types that seek their usual lack of consideration, even though they know theyre responsible for keeping the ecosystem held hostage for profit margin.
We can't just build rockets and relocate to mars as a backup plan because of the narcissism of escapism desires, and we really only do live just once, and its no simulation either.
Knowing that it's a $2.000 Alibaba car does take away from it but I will say that £6.000 is still quite intriguing. I'd take this for £6.000 over the €20.000+ Microlinos any day of the week.
Price NEEDS to be the main selling point for microcars, I don't see myself paying a cent over €8.000 for 'not a car' no matter how it looks. I just want a road legal golf cart.
Yes to small cars! (though not necessarily always this small). I'm in Seattle, so not quite the land of mega pickups everywhere, but I recently went to Lima, Peru for a cousin's wedding. Near the end of the trip, I was in a taxi, and we pulled up beside a Subaru Outback. It looked so big! I asked the taxi driver if he thought that was a big car and he agreed. Was nice to have my perspective reset after years of growing cars.
Oh, tangentially, I did see a few electric cars there, they've finally entered the market. A few Hyundai Ioniq electrics, Ionic 5s, a Kona electric, a Yema Auto Mengo, and probably a few other Chinese ones that I didn't recognize. A few of my taxis were BYDs but older ICE models.
As a 2 ton SUV driver (in the country where I need the ground clearance and back problems need a car that's easy to get in to) I fully endorse this type of car. I'd love one for those for little trips down to the village shop. Stick it on a trailer behind the campervan as a holiday run around! There are so many use cases for this type of vehicle. Hopefully we can flip the script on urban fashion and make these things really popular. I have nothing against SUVs but I do have something against people driving them in inappropriate places.
100%
I drive a Volvo XC70, and I completely agree, a perfect little second car / runabout.
Try an electric bike out for those. They are transformational. Fit on the rack on the back of your SUV nicely too.
@@SteveLoughran& of course don't get broken or killed
This is a fantastic video! I somewhat question the vehicle but I love the review! 😃
big agree about car sizes. I drive a xsara picasso all by myself. I live alone in the middle of the city. this thing is too big to conveniently park, too large of a turning radius, but I can't afford a new car and it does what i need, so I'm stuck with it. at 1.3 tons it's not too bad, but oh how much would I love a small car
I saw one recently visiting Portland OR. Definitely had my attention. I like mini cars and this was the ultimate mini Mini. I think a city bike with saddle bags is often more practical.
If the top speed was 40 and it had more than 100 mile range it would be awesome for food deliveries
Might be horrifying at 40
could always an exchange battery with you?
A Honda engine in it and it would do it.
Progress at last on the Uk car market, just the thing we need and at a good price. I want one and will trade in my Biro. Would like to know more about it e.g hill climbing ability ( I live in steep hilled Hastings).
I adore microcars, but this is alarmingly close to a mobility scooter
All L6 microcars are... it's - generally - the L7s that have a bit more oomph and features, etc.
I like the comparison in the end. My eBike is superb and slightly cheaper but I think I’d have the eBike any day.
Thanks for picking de bouvier for filming this!
All the shortcuts you were taking around De Beauvoir are perfectly legal, as there's no signage saying no motor vehicles etc. That's one of the main differences between the 70s era traffic filters and the more modern "Low Traffic Neighbourhood" style approach. Councils have been pressured in some cases to use cameras instead of bollards to preserve through access for some types of vehicle (e.g. emergency vehicles, blue badge holders), but bollards are cheaper and quite frankly if someone wants to pass through on a moped or a microcar I don't really see a problem with that!
I prefer the ami to this but its a little more but a couple of grand is worth having a dealer network and warranty etc to me. I am genuinely considering one for bad weather commuting, vs the bike which ive been using for the last 20 years an ami would be lush. Im used to shitty weather but i never enjoy it.
It really is “White goods”. Add handle on the back and it could be mistaken for a kettle, because it wouldn’t look out of place in my kitchen… (Lol)
Get the kettle on, it’s time for a cup of tea. Cheers!
It's a hot cup o' tea, that should be an expression
I like it how we can take the battery pack out. But I can't find the homepage for my life. They need to do better SEO
It'll keep the weather off you. There used to be a ligier available with a cement mixer engine with similar performance. I used to encounter a couple of them frequently very frustrating for surrounding traffic. That 28mph is absolutely the maximum, fine in a 20mph zone(be interesting to see how it copes with the speed bumps) but mostly 30 and lots of 40mph zones where I live.
So called "moped cars" use single-cylinder 500cc diesel engines, very common in cities in multiple countries in Europe. Ligier, Aixam and Chatenet are common manufacturers.
For the low cost microcar market, why not start with an off-the-shelf portable power generator/system and build the rest of the car to utilise it? Fitting associated solar panels would then be possible. Upgrading/replacing the battery would likely also be a relatively simple affair.
Most importantly: We'd get to see Jack driving a Jackery 😀
Unfortunately it wouldn't produce enough energy to keep such a car going for anything more than a couple of miles at most (even on a bright sunny day in the most 'perfect' of conditions) - Basic Physics 101.
Hope it's a success. It looks like the sort of vehicle that is needed.
Brilliant, 2 people to work and back and then to the shops and back. No helmet, leathers or waterproofs. Brilliant.
7:17 PTC is another term for resistive heater. (positive temperature coefficient heating element) So it turns on the heater.
People's Territory of China
Is it officially CAR or is it a restricted quadricyle?
I bought a rather expensive bike for about 1000 pounds, and the running costs are about one service per year (£45). Can hardly see how that thing would be cheaper?
So, an ebike, top model, for £6K? Where did you find that one, in Dubai with gold plated wheels?
Dad's commute to the station car park. Grandads and grannies trip to the village shops. College kids ride to school (In rural areas),. Solution to leisure centre, village hall and church parking problems
Plans for a van version.? .. Ideal for the lower scale delivery agents, small shopkeepers wanting to stay in the game by offering home delivery (Could be the modern version of the delivery boy on a bike with whicker panniers of 70 years ago), Royal mail posties and some utiliity workers and tradesmen ?
Boon for touristy areas and resort car hire for just 2 up
Cheap car football a la TG. Junior motocross
A shelf for a Bluetooth box would be a good replacement for the "stereo". Other than that the thing looks great to me.
Twizy clone, we need more of these
Better off just getting a Twizy
@@914050 true
@@914050 Even the secondhand ones are more expensive than this.
I like the fact that it is fully enclosed unlike the Twizy but it's a shame it doesn't have its funky style or a bit more range and performance. I would always worry that I'm driving a mobile road block.
Different category, higher output and bigger
Really entertaining review as always and some timely soapboxing at the end as these mega SUVs are really starting to become a menace, as the offputting high running costs of the petrol versions arent applicable to the EV variants. Hence we will only see more of them if they arent legislated against.
Thanks for another great episode ! It would be great to see more small "Urban Runabouts" like this... Sorry but when I first saw it I immediately thought of a few very similar Chinese Offerings - it could be a close of them in fact.
Not mentioned : Is this imported or "Assembled" in or Made in UK ?
Nothing is mentioned on the DOGOOD site and their site leaves more questions.
What would encourage take up of this sort of car is low cost convenient parking for this class only (no teslas or electric monsters) close to town centres railway stations and the like. you could easily get 4 (sideways) into a standard parking spot.
The real big issue with the cheapest new car in the UK is that is costs more than the best bargain second hand EVs in the UK. You can get a whole lot of Zoe for £5,000 in Autotrader. As I write there are 40 listed on Autotrader at £5,000 or less. For example, a 53,000 mile 22kwh 2015 Zoe Dynamique with battery lease for £3,499. Or a similar model with only 41,000 miles and no battery lease for £3,950. At the other end of the sub £5,000 market is the 23,400 mile 22kwh 2016 Zoe Expression with no battery lease for £5,000. You get the point. Unless you really need a very small car and never intend to drive out of town you're better off getting a second hand EV that looks like a car and not a Fisher Price reject. No offence.
I absolutely agree.
If you are only interested in cost, I still think a small petrol will beat electric over the lifetime of the vehicle.
@@oliverhale85 But it won't. Repair and maintenance will get more frequent and expensive. I know because that happened with my three ICE cars. It just became restrictive paying for the upkeep. That hasn't been the case with my EV. It just doesn't suffer the same wear and tear.
@@trevorberridge6079 depends how lucky you are. i drive cars no more than £500, don't spend more than £50 on them and scrap them after a few years. Currently driving a 1996 Civic for 4 yrs that I got for £450
@@oliverhale85I'm not so keen on EVs at all either but if you're in an inner city area (Central London/Central Birmingham/ Central Manchester) then they make perfect sense. No more than 50miles round trip and no fuel costs (bar lekky obviously).
I drive several hundred miles a week in the 'Countryside' so an EV would be pointless for myself so I'm sticking to reliable diesel.
Considering the entry level BYD Seagull Honor Edition is now about 9700$, the Dogood Zero would not stand a chance if BYD was available in the UK. To me, 6,000$ is a lot when you consider what is available in the Chinese market.
very true. while almost 9700 is nearly 60% more than the doogod, what u get for the seagull is SO MUCH MORE CAR.
the squad solar on the other hand, is phenomenal, especially for apt dwellers. u may never need to plug in charge it.
Trouble is in the UK prices have a habit of rising with various taxes and profit margins and any vehicle is usually much more expensive .
@@tivvy-xf4kz that issue happens in many countries, but the large increase in price is due to tarifs imposed on vehicles imported from China, which is meant to protect the local market from exactly this sort of situation. China does the same thing to protect the Chinese market, there are tarifs levied on vehicles that are imported, making them much less competitive.
@@EV-olution That was the point I was making they are very rarely anything near the prices mentioned. However there are no UK manufacturers of small vehicles/quads so there is nothing to protect.
I have always said that low prices are the key to ev's and not everyone needs loads of range or tech gadgets.
@@tivvy-xf4kz you are 100% correct.
I think the thinking behind this vehicle is spot on. If I lived in London it would be a great little runaround.
I'm still wondering about this car & what was not mentioned.
The sunroof seems to open to the front. Is that a good thing?
We know there's no boot but does the rear window open & enable you to put bags on the bench shelf ?
It's made or assembled in the UK?
If it is made in the UK wouldn't that also be a benefit, in environmental term?
I know it's a cheap car & hopefully they will produce different levels of comfort & quality models to market but this is the first & it's what our cities need.
That's a Chinese car, mentioned in another comment.
the bubble car with a motor bike engine was an even better idea
This with a 125cc option would work well. 50cc would be enough.
Don’t hit a pot hole in this - it would have to be towed out 😢
Just buy a new one, drive over the previous one in the pot hole
I'd still prefer a cheap electric car wide enough to have a passenger seat on my left, rather than behind me.
Citroen make a car that would be ideal for me, the Ami, and it's about 1.5x the price. If willingly pay that, except they only sell a left hand drive version. Put the steering wheel on the right and I'd already have bought one of those.
What i do like is the fact that it avoids the trap of doing everything via a touch screen. For one thing you can't navigate a touch screen by muscle memory the way you do a set of stalks growing out of the steering column.
What's worse is that high end eVs trend to change the menu layouts from time to time, without your permission. That's bad enough when it happens on your computer, but very much worse in a vehicle where you should be keeping your eyes on the road even when manipulating the controls.
But great review 😊
I quite liked the Ami until I saw some CZcams videos that show the chassis and the (lack of) quality of construction ... very disappointing.
I feel the most appropriate contest would be an egg and spoon race.
Next week, we're fly tipping! 😂😂
In the U.S. countryside there's *"cow-tipping"* where nasty kids will push over a sleeping cow for evil fun. Had not heard of "fly-tipping" but see it's the British equivalent of "littering" and nothing to do with sleeping flies.
Littering is throwing a crisp bag on the ground, fly tipping is dumping a lorry load of rubbish down a country lane.@@beachcrow
The suicide sunroof surely deserves a comment
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Looks like it would scoop cooler outside air in on a hot day, too.
Too much drag at high speed on freeways & track
Not everybody’s cup of tea but I do predict we will see lots of vehicles in this style around major cities over the coming years - especially once companies expand into full self driving.
A modern-day Invacar.
It looks like someone went to China, saw loads of them on the roads, and decided to build their own version.
"Doogood Zero" → "Dogood, not!"
I wonder if it is valid for green gov discount. What would the final pay-down price be ?
Twizzy's weren't.
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@@ziggarillo i guess vouchers have a lower limit for price. Car price has to be over 15K or something.
Free & they give you a pack of crisps & a pint, or whatever Brits feed on
If you mean the UK Government Plug-In Car Grant, it was withdrawn in 2022.
4 kWh battery ? India's cheapest e cars, the Tata Tiago and the MG Comet both cost around 7000 pounds and carry 17-18 kWh batteries plus a 120 mile range per charge.
And they both look a million times classier and modern.
but they aren’t on sale in the UK?
The Tiago is not an EV, and the Comet is not available in the UK, so how does that work ?
Yes,these should be available in the UK.
Yeah, FC needs an Indian correspondent.
The Tiago is availble,in India,as an EV.
Try living in the Scottish Highlands, my average journeys are about 40 or 50 miles done at around 60 to 80 mph.!
The nearest charge point is in Inverness 55 miles from my house.
80 mph!! 🚨🚔🚓👮
@@sandwichbar8226 the closest police station is also 55 miles away.! 😉
I'm also one of the slower local drivers.! 😉 😉
Reminds me of the Sam Kinison rant about starving people in Africa: "You live in the f*cking DESERT! Move to where the FOOD is!!"
I live in Cumbria, it's 8 miles to the shops (16 miles round trip). My work is 10 miles (20 mile round trip). This would be ideal for me. Great review too, Jack. Thanks. But you didn't mention the insurance costs etc... just the purchase price. So lots more research before an order.
I wouldn't go outside 30 mph limits in this. It's a moped. Insurance is a minefield if it's not listed try the Citroen Ami as an example on the insurance sites. If you only have a moped or bike licence better be sitting down.
A proper vehicle for the hard-working city dwellers that have other financial concerns in lives!
Thanks FCS Team and Jack for checking this out for us all
Its a worthy purchase.
If you wanna dial in the luxury features afterwards, its a perfect platform of which to do so. All the fasteners seems accessible without too much effort.
I wanna see shows demonstrating a complete tear down and reassembly, and that will take care of concerns about how to upgrade anything about such a vehicle.
There's alot of ways to mod these, people wanna know how to, or be of no mystery of the process of ownership and repairs.
All manufacturers should include a parts list including prices of each part, a list of factory options including prices of each of those too.
This is how to protect the ecosystem, matching solutions to the people who want to be more responsible for their actions.
@@truetech4158 If you want to mod a L6/L7 vehicle, get the Citroen AMI, that is taken apart down to the cage in 20mins, a wrench and a screw driver. I did it 😃
Just think how much car you can pick up for £6k second hand
Electric, though?
@@Hacker4748Yep, an older Zoe can be under £6k
@@Hacker4748 I'm in NI,the regional used cars site has 5 Zoes,2 Leafs,and a Twizy below 6k..
I picked up a 2nd hand Tesla Model 3 AWD for 4.5x the price of £6k. It's a lot more than 4.5x the car, such as 440 HP vs 3 HP together with everything else it can do.
I do agree however that microcars are important and should have a place in cities, but if you own it, then you have to keep it somewhere and be able to charge it.
Won't suit so many people unfortunately.
@@Hacker4748 Yeah, that's the bonus, non electric. Peace and goodwill.
Loved the delivery of the intro. And the writing. I liked the intro.
probably an ideal takeaway with maybe an extra battery or two so you can swap them about as and when needed
I could listen to Jack reviewing stuff I'm not interested about in the slightest and still be captivated. Wait... I just did.
I don't expect Rolls Royce fit and finish on a cheap new car.
But I can see at two Rolls Royces for less than that costs on Autotrader at the moment......😲
You wouldn't want to service and maintain those cheap Rollses... a Rolls is never cheap to run.
@@MetalTrabant I'd rather run a Rolls on a shoestring than drive that thing!
@@FFVoyager But you can't run an old Rolls on a shoestring... first of all it needs E5 fuel, which is very expensive, and it needs a lot of it.
And don't even start on the hydraulics of those old Silver Shadows... those are nightmares to maintain. They look nice on the yard though, when they are not leaking anything...
@@MetalTrabant the suspension is based on Citroen kit. Years ago I bought a GS with no suspension, brakes or steering. An afternoon replacing a couple of cupro nickel brake pipes and it was fine. 😆
That was fun. Pleased to see that you appreciate e-bikes and why massive, heavy cars are an issue in cities.
That is so cute…I would like a version that did 40/50 mph and 100 mile range but if you never leave the city it’s great fun!
Looks like Jack and the FC crew needs to do a full Microcar Roundup Episode.
Kids will love tipping them over for a laugh.
You see the kids always kicking over those bikes that the driver with beards and a dermis of tattoos.
Those Bottle Kids, bad parents.
Probably raised by authoritarians, you know the type though, theyre too smiley to see past the ego that wants to show off trying to impress the schoolyard bullies.
The very very cool kids of overcompensation.
Apply a warning sticker: beware of owner
No sign of seat belts. Ideally, there'd be two in the back, because I'm sure that two little people would fit.
The problem with these vehicles, is that with such limited engine power and range, for many applications you may as well get a much cheaper electric pedal car, then save on car insurance MOT, some electricity and so on and use cycle lanes. The tiny blue Norwegian pedal car springs to mind. It is definitely cheaper.
One big advantage with this little car however, is tge big space behind the driver. Many of us need to carry large items, such as work tools, musical instruments and so on. I can see a tuba or a small drum kit fitting into this.
Podbike Frikar is a similar price, but then it’s legal to take those shortcuts (and take it down cycle routes in general). Downside is that you can’t take a passenger in it.
The question is Jack, are you going to give up your Polestar 2 and get one of these instead? 😉
Yeah, he's not wrong but it does amuse me he owns, in London, exactly the kind of car he says should be banned in London :D
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@@YesterzineBig difference between London and London I feel. I think cars should be banned outright in the city center, but still own a car.
In the last video where they raced across London, he mentioned that most of the team are in Bristol, so it’d be great to see this vs his Polestar to Bristol. It would probably take a solid day as it would have to stick to A-roads! 😂
@@virtualgeezer At a nominal 50 miles of range (probably closer to 40-45 on that sort of trip, it'd probably have to stop to charge 2-3 times too (maybe more, depending on how circuitous the route is to avoid the high-speed roads that it's not permitted on)... but then, it's not designed for leaving its home city really :D
Well said as always Jack! Hope to rant about SUVs at Everything Electric with you 🤣
You did a great job keeping a straight face with this.
how does it do in snow ? Where I live, there are 10 to 20 inch showfalls....
Used Citroen Ami's are sub £6k now with very low miles.
No they're not
There’s 4 on Autotrader right now, £6k or under.
I take the e-bike.
Ooo, and a BYD Seal just hanging out in the background at the end
"Small cars get you there faster! Why? Shortcuts!" Meanwhile, the cameraman, on foot, keeps up with Jack and meets him at the end 😂
Fair, but think this is more of a question of bicycles and running being faster than cars in city centers. :)
“Polluting powerful fast SUVs should be legislated out of our city” 👏👏👏
In a civilised society, what we need is *choice.* Do those Geo-Engineering Sky Sprayers give us a choice? Resounding NO!! Some do-gooder, earth-saver independently decided it's for our benefit, *Safe and Effective.*
I'm so pleased to see that you review and take seriously this type of vehicle. And you are absolutely right, we need far more of these on the roads.
What the hell are you smoking or is that good old fashioned sarcasm?
I wonder what it will be like up hills, even the Citroen Ami can struggle with 6kW. I'd like to see a maximum grade while maintaining 28mph test from manufacturers.
My kids used to have one of these although it was badged as a Little Tikes Cozy Coupe.
So much to like about this. A properly covered cabin, good windscreens and a properly economical price.
I hope that the thing does not grow a whole lot of additional and un-necessary extras. Bare bones and economical is what is needed by so many people.
I do wonder if instead of ULEZ the traffic controls in cities ought to have a charge for any vehicle weighing more than say 1,200 kg, and a multiplier for widths over 1.5 metres and length over 3.5, EV or not.
ICE cars and light commercials are going to disappear in time, simply because they will become worn out, and too expensive to run for fuel and servicing. There is an element that refuses to see the opportunities in change, there is an awful lot of doom mongering about EVs. But smaller EVs must be one of the real counter arguments to this.
I suppose the Microline will be the posh sub-mini EV and this will be an example of economy EV personal transport. Please don't call me cheap, but even as I adore the [for me aspirational] Microlino, sense would kick in and I'd definitely consider one of these at retirement in four and half years time. Till then I need a van so will still stick with my 2009 Berlingo.
The electric Berlingo would make a good review for you, Jack! I'd enjoy watching that if you decided to try it out!
Best wishes from George
It could do w/ an RR rebadge
Those specs you listed would just about fit the iMiev. It's slightly above 1 ton, about 1.5M wide and 3.5M long.
Could just use the Japanese kei car standard.
@@Thelango99 I think the Kei car specs would make a very good starting point for higher VED and city centre restrictions. I shall look at the iMiev straight after this!
Best wishes from George
Better off going for a 2nd or 3rd hand Zoe, a full size car for less
"Next week we're fly-tipping"...😂☠️
Good that cheaper, smaller cars are coming to the market to diversify a bit away from minimum 4 seats when most only need 1-2 to commute...but in terms of affordability surely insurance ends up being as bigger factor when it comes to the upkeep? I get into work on a near bottom of the range e-bike. Maintenance is minimal and insurance not needed. Surely if you want cheap travel in a city then a suped up e-bike is the way to go? Or e-trike if balance is an issue? Costs less up front and in the long run + takes up less space. It would make more sense to invest in bike/under your own power transport ways than get everyone to get tiny cars