How do Chinese people handle Confrontation?
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China runs on something called face. This is a massive contributor to how arguments take place, and how most of life actually works in China. Confrontation does exist in China, but the lack of direct confrontation can lead to some serious societal issues.
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I wonder if Winston puts on his suit before chastising construction workers at night.
hahaha
This made me LAUGH OUT LOUD!
Pirate Bear the real question is: Is he wearing sunglasses and if so, how many times did he take them on and off during the confrontation? 🤔🤔🤔
Asking the real questions here.
Slightly more than his b-day suit, more likely.
I love how bold the South African guy is.
I fear for his life, seriously.
Stay strong South African men.
Aaron Kurz i guess it’s bold to do because he’s in China, because in USA many people would’ve came out at those assholes making noise at that time
@@Libra_Strings your from China getting paid to say mean things to .make the guys look. Bad
@@ang47 You mean A N A L Y Z E D
Hey, hey! Hey... HEY! HEY. THIS IS LIBRARY.
Epic
I was raised in China and I can confirm these statements. The worst part is the police most likely won't even show up for these noise complains.
@Mr Dub Crazy aco
most police every where are useless that is why they are police
I am a Chinese who live in Guangzhou, I encounter the same situation days ago. I was just surprised and upset (like SerpentZA) that nobody went down to complain about the noise. I called the police, the noise stopped at 2:30 (don't know it's because of the police or they just finished work.)
This is about RIGHT AND WRONG, not about culture.
correction: there was a teenager who shouted from her window to complain. I believe in the young generation of China!
It's a shame we no longer use bed pans. :)
教你一招，我以前用过，就是被吵醒愤怒的我，把家里鱼缸里的石头捡了一小块朝他们附近砸过去，主意别砸的离人太近，然后他们就朝着我这栋大骂，然后楼上人也都醒了，还有人骂了回去，然后不到五分钟，施工的人自己就散了，而且以后都再也不敢晚上搞事了
interesting, I'll agree ur first part, if that happen in US Asian guys probably beaten by construction works. but we Chinese are civilization， not rude like colonialism and racial white guys. in this case i would say we forgive this rude white guy, tho he act rude, but he got reasons. but in other case, he cant be lucky. btw, i dont think U.S. can colonize other country anymore, we got the power, guess who is boss in the world rn.
William Gerard
read your own dirty words, who's the racist one here?
William Gerard You just proved my point. such a disgusting human being u r.
Guys I am from Germany. When somebody would do that in the middle of the night here, they would get yelled at from every possible direction :D
Jeff lol is that supppose to be funny
@@AUZRSPROD you really have a weird reality you live in
A jackhammer at 2 am would be a reason to call the GSG 9
Getting that shit done at 2 in the morning in germany gets them beaten up by the whole neighbourhood, trust me, i'm from germany aswell :D
Bullshit, they would call the police and thats it. They wouldnt dare yelling to a stranger, much less steping outside of their homes at night. You could name ANY other nation and they would be more likely to act that way than germans.
I had a feeling Winston had a healthy temper, nice to see it shine in a well deserved situation.
They avoid confrontation... but will openly harass you, even gang up on you, to tell you that you're not allowed to film.
And yeah we've all lived that bit where people who are supposed to be friends/family side with a Chinese stranger who's actually doing them harm because, hey, you don't understand their culture ;D
The facade is slowly starting to show obvious cracks ;)
Winston is ruthless: " Siri, set timer for 10 minutes" 😂 😂
He is a cancer and barbarians......like a shit...Do a math ,if you fix sth in the night only several hundred people would be influenced,if you fix it in the daytime ,hendrouds of thousands of people would be influenced,so do it at night would have less trouble society.just simple math.
He is a cancer and barbarians......like a shit...Do a math ,if you fix sth in the night only several hundred people would be influenced,if you fix it in the daytime ,hendrouds of thousands of people would be influenced,so do it at night would have less trouble society.just simple math.
He is a cancer and barbarians......like a shit...Do a math ,if you fix sth in the night only several hundred people would be influenced,if you fix it in the daytime ,hendrouds of thousands of people would be influenced,so do it at night would have less trouble society.just simple math.
pontifex maximus 所以重要的事要说三遍？Anything noise-polluting and non-critical (i.e. gas pipe) should be done during DAYLIGHT.
one minute is one minute too long. never mind about 10.
As a light sleeper that lived in Shenzhen for 3 years, Winston is my hero!
Lived in China for 9 ys , and I know that the Chinese have no idea what
" compassion and understanding " is ......
@@jbently5303 really?I don't think so
@Gretchen Hubbert Outside an Austrian context, more like. The Romans stole the context from us in the first place.
Pathetic thanks to the communists education
@@jbently5303 The largest segment of the population are criminals. See Milgram Experiments. Study history. Sociopaths dominate the population. Most compassionate people blend in by living in denial.
I wouldn't waste my time complaining about petty things or short term events. Yeah I know it is irritating. Winston either has to move where he is or learn to be heavy sleeper. He has to figure out what he can do himself and fix the problem.
I have many chronic health problems. I live in the US. I got fed up with corrupt conventional health system and pharmaceutical brainwashed doctors so I decided to take responsibility and be my own doctor 30 years ago. That was the best thing I ever did. I did the same thing with greedy and corrupt dentists. I took responsibility and figured out how I could protect my own teeth. I would not trust any government sanctioned health care system in the world if they promoted vaccines. They have covered up large scale damage caused by vaccines.
@Gretchen Hubbert Someone is in trouble. You help them. How does the "Judeo-Christian Context" make that different for us in the West? A: We're told that we SHOULD help others. In China, Winston says he's repeatedly told to not get involved.
The comments in this thread justifying the noisemaking in the middle of the night and sheepish people not sticking up for them selves -- pathetic. These "workers" are doing a job. they are getting paid. it's their problem to figure out how to do it safely and cost effectively. It's not the responsibility of the sleeping neighbors to take some of this load.
I am gonna side with the construction workers here more, even I don't like the lack of cohesive regulatory rules. I lived it Shanghai for 11 years and there were just constant construction noises everywhere and I got into some pretty bad fights with the workers, to the point of them swinging their hammers around my head. The noises could get so loud it would drive me close to insane and I had no where to run. Digging deeper, I learned that they DO NOT GET PAID, unless the work is done. Even when their work is done, sometimes the pay is delayed for months. The sooner they can finish, the sooner they can move onto another project, claim their shares, buy things, send money home.....it was still extremely annoying so I used ear plugs and noise cancelling headphones / cranking up Tiesto, etc., to try to shield the sound away, but I did not despise them much any longer. Look at them, they are mostly not educated and pulled in from the villages to work in the cities. Do you think they enjoy working at 5:00 am, in the rain and in the cold? Maybe you feel righteous and you are backed up with common-sense, but step back a bit you will forgive more and not shouting down at them like animals. You know they backed up and accommodated you because they can't communicate with you and you are white so out of respect, they give you more rooms. As a human being to another human being, having more empathy and understanding would make things much less explosive. At the end of the day, you live in their country, so before you pop your Western standards to their faces, try to understand why they do the things they do, their culture, their traditions. Perhaps when you end up being like them, you would not enjoy being shouted down like dogs, while jackhammering tiles without ear plugs. I am a psychologist. Judging from your video content, you do exhibit many of the negative narcissistic traits and living in China, it allows people like you to feel you are more superior to the Chinese. I have a friend who turns against every single Asian countries he's lived in after a period of time, because he kept using his frame of reference. If you are using this intention to pull along other viewers who are against China to make your living through CZcams, in order to create an echo chamber of hate, then you are pretty low. Snap out of it. I hate to see you turning 55 and look at your own legacy and think: gee, I actually contribute less than those guys who were jack hammering and my contribution to the society is not really information exchange, but mostly annoying or even hateful negative content punctuated and disguised by positive praises.
heeheemanofHK two wrongs don't make a right. Workers being exploited doesn't excuse them breaking the law and robbing people of their valuable sleep. You're justifying criminal behavior purely out of sympathy, but it's that kind of sympathy that ensures this sort of parasitic behavior is so common in China. And I doubt you're a real psychologist, or certainly not one from a respected institution. Being outspoken about your own rights is not a sign of narcissistic, nor is making simple observations about others.
derek96720 Right on!
@@derek96720 then by all means the next day file a report at the police station against the company that hires those people for unlawful practises. Instead of bashing the poor workers.
@@samsun01 You my friend is a great man who understands how to view problems from others' point of views. Unlike these guys, they're ungrateful even with all China has given to them, their wives, their adventures and the views of their videos. China humbled me too in a lot of ways. After I read Dale Carnegie's How to Win Friends and Influence people, I finally understand why these guys are so wrong in their approach
Witnessed a serious traffic accident last night in HK where a man was shunted down the road like a rag doll, unconscious. What did everyone do? Kept their heads down and pretended not to see it. I was the only one who stopped and call the Police and ambulance. Makes me sick.
Meister Eder why did you remind me of that video, shits fucked up.
This is exactly why so many Hong Kong "Chinese" deny and say that they are not Chinese or try to distance themselves from Mainland China or just call themselves "Hong Kongers" only because deep down inside for the most part they are no different than their Motherland Chinese. Hell they`re from the same stock these HKers but it all boils down to self hate. This is why Brown Eye never has or rarely has Chinese people in his channel except for his immediate family members.
Bottom line it is "SELF HATE" for them case in point about your story about nobody doing anything to help out in this accident in HK just like the do in mainland China too.
He did a video about this recently, how people have tried to help and were charged by police or sued by the party that was hurt. So they just keep their head down, you should check out the video.
Sorry for hear about your experience. I am from Hong Kong and I definitely would have stopped and called the ambulance for that injured man. I wouldn't hesitate a bit. Hong Kong's laws won't get you into trouble in situation like this, some people are just selfish.
You can't expect too much from these people, though. The sad thing is that I am often the one who give seat to elderly people on underground train while many people just have their heads looking at their phones or pretend they didn't see... how sad...
Was the man being dragged by the car?
ADV channel is honestly my favorite channel on CZcams.. Greetings from the Midwest, USA
In Milwaukee we deal with our disagreements in three main ways: drinking competition, a well-mannered debate and/or a fist fight.
I had a student in Shenzhen who moved to Milwaukee. About a week before he left, there was that race riot going on, maybe about 1 1/2 years ago. I'm from a crappy Midwest town, too - Rockford, IL. (Don't go there.)
You are brain dead, he is lying!
Dude, I have all the same stories as an expat living in Brazil. I just need a gringo bike buddy and a camera to start my own channel. It’s very very cathartic nonetheless watching you guys go through the same things.
Why didn't you?
@@sdkmsdfkmkasdf Brazilian living abroad here. As much as he wants, it's too damn dangerous! Armed robbers are everywhere and act when you less expect it.
"What in the 7 hells are you doing?!"
Jake Branthe Game Of Thrones... 7 Hells -
I'm sure the first thing someone from China who just set foot in the US and can't speak a lick of English wonders is "Why is everyone always mad at me?"
While I am endlessly baffled at the immense patience and tolerance most Chinese have of their fellow citizens, I think more people should stand up for their boundaries in China. It is good for any culture to do this to some extent.
I was on a plane back from Shanghai into LA and this one VERY over the top Chinese guy -- who must have never been in that situation before made himself RIGHT at home on a long international flight. He was in his late 50's/early 60's. He should have been old enough to know better but it was clear to me he was accustomed to a world where no one ever told him he was overstepping. To him, he was within his rights. For US standards however, he was testing the limits of everyone, even other Chinese:
Putting his nasty feet up on the bulkhead, several times literally hanging over the back of his seat like a 4-year-old loudly yelling back to his friends when most all of the passengers were trying to sleep, sneaking into Business class to take the food/drinks they had on buffet up there, rudely grabbing stuff off of the food cart when the meals came by, saying rude things to the flight attendants, getting right in everyone's bubble. I could tell there were a lot of other Chinese guys on the flight shaking their heads embarrassed by him but only the flight attendants politely tried to correct his behavior. NO ONE ELSE said anything until I finally had enough (he was sitting in the row in front of me).
Now when I'm in China, I'm very respectful of the cultural norms. This stuff happens on planes and (mainly) trains ALL the time within China -- Some guy screaming loudly into his phone in an otherwise crowded car, pushing, shoving, loud spitting, no filters, no bubble, all stuff perceived to be very rude by westerners. Most of this would be cause for immediate confrontation in the US but in China, I know it is different. It is not my place to impose my values on others when I'm the visitor. It is my place to be respectful within reason, even if the same is not given back.
That said, this guy was not in China anymore. He was on American Airlines flight bound for Los Angeles. After 8 hours of being patient, after the fifth time of him hanging over the seat, waking me up (with headphones on), yelling over the the head of the poor guy sitting next to me (who was hanging on to whatever patience he could muster), I let him know how rude he was being to his fellow passengers. He might not have understood my words but I guarantee you he understood my tone. I can imagine over half of the plane could have communicated this better than I could have but NO ONE did. They should have because he's going to be in for a shock at some point, better on the way there then in a situation where he gets hurt by someone who is less sensitive to cultural differences.
Rant over.
Sad to know this. But I have to admit it's the case. I have to admit this though I am a Chinese too. At his age, they grow up from the riot of the Culture Revolution, during which there was no rule to follow in China. They're red guards, not knowing to follow rules and respect to fellows. Most of them are rude, stupid and selfish. I believe their belief is the rule of jungle. So... last year, I went back to China from Arlanda Airport in Stockholm. There was a Chinese tourist group. Most of them are around 60 years old. When boarding began, they swarmed at the gate, no line. The service ladies at the airport were very frustrated, and no use even though she yelled. I don't know why they're in a rush. They had tickets, and their seats are secured. Why don't they behave decently? That was an Air China flight, and no wonder most of foreigners choose to take SAS though it's not direct flight from Beijing to Stockholm. What a shame and embarrassment. Hope that everything will be better after most of them pass away.
richard gao well said, unfortunately, I believe most of their kids and grand kids became scumbags and “patriots” who destroys Japanese autos, little pinkies who bashing people for celebrating Christmas and people who doesn’t celebrate CNY.
Evan J . At least u didn’t encounter situations like a group of 50+ of them sang the Chinese nation anthem coz they didn’t get free hotel when the flight was postponed or cancel due to bad weather conditions. It’s even more funny coz all they got s cheap tickets from a budget airline.
Richard Gao, please stop calling it the "Cultural Revolution". It was the Cultural Devolution of China.
You lasted 7&1/2 hours more than I would have.
Very interesting video as well as all the comments. Especially the argument and confrontation happens under 神州 Shenzhou 's reply.
As a Chinese from mainland, I can completely understand the feeling of "神州 Shenzhou" and I would say a large percentage of Chinese would have same feelings when they watch this video. And my opinion on this is that this a good case that shows a hint of fundamental differences between Chinese culture (maybe not only Chinese, but a majority of developing countries, especially Asian's) with the western culture. We Chinese need to have a discussion on the following questions: 1. If you were him, how would you handle the situation? 2. Would this kind of confrontation make our society better? Further, should we "import" this kind of altitude to our society? 3. Is there a way to solve these issues within in Chinese value system?
First reply on CZcams. Welcome comments!
Good comment
Yes; good, constructive comment. Evidently, even if some of those who have posted comments disagree that the societal norms of other countries should be observed by Chinese citizens, the Chinese government views "how others see us" an important consideration. A good example is the China National Transportation Administration's issuing of the booklet "Guide To Civilised Tourism", which deals with the expected standards of conduct for Chinese citizens, both when travelling within China, and when visiting other countries.
I'm a foreigner living in China. And I cannot agree more on your comment, Usually people react on their established values. I believe the guys on this video are good guys, Nd they believe they are doing the right thing. However, If we foreigners want to contribute to China, first thing to respect is the Chinese culture. You cannot respect something you don't know. There is a lot more to learn on the Chinese culture by foreigners that want to live in China.
中国地大傻逼多，操鸡巴蛋心中国社会问题以为自己是国家领袖吧？没事翻墙给鬼佬洗地吃饱撑的
Co Dy, behaviour is a part of culture....
Yes you are right he could have complainedin a different way, but I don't criticize his manner. It was effective. Like it or not.
The topic here is how chinese handle confrontation, and the issue is not being really discussed , because chinese try to avoid confrontation, if two or more people confront each other, there is "blood" all the way to the last consequence. Confrontation creates enemies. Even if you don't like people, you try to avoid enemies. Making an enemy is the last thing you want to do. Problems are solved on the back stage to avoid confrontation.
Brah been binging you guys’ channel for an entire fking day and having my eyes opened. Good stuff keep up the good work
I'm thinking about my experiences in Thailand; confrontation is either ignored by one party or a fight ensues. The Thais can be extremely sensitive to foreigners who stand up for themselves. Great topic Winston and C Milk!
Winston is a good guy.
RESPECT brother.
haha funny
I found this topic fairly hilarious. Every Chinese keyboard warrior talks about how tough and war like China is, and yet they all cower when they need to stand strong in daily life?? WTF??
Not really. they probrally just see him as some annoying forgiener who occasionally whines. He blowing up the situation way bigger than it is.
mondayfool : In the West, we are free to criticise our politicians and governments - but it wasn’t always that way. How things were for us several hundred years ago, they are now for Chinese citizens. Maybe they go ape out of a sense of jealousy of our freedom of speech?
I doubt you'd ever want to go to war with them, though, because these guys actually do what they're told to do, no matter what.
Dragonzrkool88 your light head like gay head.
I found this comment fairly hilarious. Everyone talks about how well they know about China, and yet they judge them as "cower" and not expect them to talk back? WTF??
When I was in college, every time I went to study in classroom, there were always some lovers sitting at the back and making out, loudly. Obviously most students in the classroom felt annoyed, but no one spoke out. I was the only one that reminded the noise makers. I was tired confronting to bad people alone and facing danger so many times. I found this happened all the time and realized it is the characters of our people. I understand why china has such a totalitarian society. Living among these week people is miserable. I feel shamed of my country. and I know this nation has no hope as long as people are this kind of slaves.
So basically everyone does whatever they want in chinaa
In my country they wpuld get a bucket of water upon them from me, don't give a crap if you're in heat, go mate somewhere else.
Really great closing statements. Been watching and learning a lot.
security probably calls them suit guy and hair guy.
Inconsideration is unfortunately one of the major traits of most China people.
Being Chinese is the biggest trait.
That's most people in general. It's not exclusive to Chinese.
Makes for great tourists.
I'm with Winston, I wouldn't be able to stand noise in the middle of the night
Love watching these videos the traffic over there is totally crazy. Great idea showing your trip and telling your stories great idea great channel
This bike chat was really cool, must have been fun to do, was sure fun to watch
We do it every second week
Winston is an amazing role model
David Hideyo
No he is a A** hole. Picking a fight with working people.
You obviously don't understand that these people are actually breaking the law solely for their "convenience". If they were honest working men Winston wouldn't have to come down from his home at 1AM to remind them that they shouldn't be making so much noise at a time that people are sleeping. Since you seem to have failed in recognizing that aspect of the situation I can honestly see how you would justify and believe that these "working people" who ,need I remind you, refuse to abide by the law and are essentially disrespecting community that are literally losing sleep due to their selfishness by working past the assigned cut off period.
His anger is no doubt caused by his alcoholism.
When he's on the bike, he's a *roll* model. Heh heh.
Yes, but if he did that where I live he would probably end up getting stabbed off some stupid idiot.
This reminds me of my dickhead neighbor with his dogs. I live in a trailer park where we are squeezed in really tight and on all our rental contracts it days you can only have one small dog. But my neighbor "saved" three dogs and two were not small, but very big, noisy, and aggressive, barking all the time, day and night.
When I heard them barking they would stop, but always start barking again later for about a month and people were critisizing me and getting into arguments with me about it cause I was the only one to complain or yell at the dogs.
Then one day they started barking as usual in the morning and I knew that my neighbors weren't there and I totally flipped out on the dogs. I ran up to their fence and leaned over it, pointing my finger at them, screaming at the top of my lungs, "shut the fuck up you stupid fricking dogs!" And they started whimpering and cowering and they literally became scared to even look at me in the eyes.
Now a year later those dogs are still usually quiet as a mouse. Sometimes they'll get agitated and bark at people walking by or something and it's just hillarious now because a few times in the year since then and now I've heard other people try and yell at the dogs to shut up and they just keep barking and I let it go on for a minute or two and then I just crack my window and just say, "shut up." In my normal voice and they instantly get quiet and stay quiet.
When I first moved here people used to be really cocky with their dogs and you could hear them all around the trailer park and there were even kids running in front of cars and being disrespectful, throwing trash around, a kid even got caught setting fire to another families trailer cause he didn't like their kid for bullying him or whatever and no one could ever effectively get any of the dogs to shut up or the kids to behave.
But ever since I got those dogs to shut up and especially now a year later that they're still quiet and barely ever bark now whenever a dog barks anywhere in the entire trailer park you can now hear people yelling at the dogs to shut up and the whole trailer park is quiet now.
And as a side effect the kids now never throw trash around or act like little maniacs or disrespect adults anymore. Now they're so polite and tell me to have a nice day when before they'd just as soon spit on me or any adult here.
I guess the kids are now so completely terrified of me that they think I'm going to like beat them up or something if they don't behave. Lol. I'm not sure how that happened but I guess kids and dogs just naturally respect what they fear.
It was really funny that something so amazing happened from that and a few people have even come up to me and thanked me for yelling at the dogs.
Your misery provides great entertainment value for me. Thank you for your sacrifices.
Confrontation is natural to you as you're South African. You wouldn't have survived there is you were as submissive as the Chinese.
Two white dudes bossing the Chinese. Well, they are used to bossing non white people in their own countries
Mateus Mahumane Colour has NOTHING to do with it- these are just two men asserting themselves- like EVERY adult should. If there's a problem- you fix it- don't be a passive-aggressive wuss and bitch about the problem later
Mateus Mahumane - I don't think this is necessarily the case. White Westerners are pretty keen to boss each other around too. I live in Australia and we are like that too. There is always letters to the paper with people trying to dictate to others, people calling the council to dob in others and some of us will just police each other face-to-face say on public transport. We are a fairly combative people but we often think we are standing up for justice when we do it. We get a pickle up our ass and feel we have to make things right, whatever we think right is. It has been successful for us at various points in history and sometimes perhaps we have gone too far with it. I don't think for most white folks we care what colour the other person is, it's not about oppressing minorities it's just a cultural thing.
You sound like a douche bag.
William Gerard
He doesn't have to be South African. East Europeans would have acted the same way. And yes we East Europeans were slaved, slaughtered and humiliated by the Mongols but we would have still confronted those disrespectful Chinese/Mongoloids. We are not cowards never been. You can justify being inconsiderate with fellow Chinese/Mongoloids but we will not take abuse from Mongoloid bullies ever. I don't care how supreme you feel.
Maybe its because im British and we write strongly worded letters instead of fighting, but i felt like people in China were quite confrontational towards each other, i saw quite a lot of shouting matches in the streets and queues.
Will in China, language can kill one person, even a family. this is why people from Chinese (including Taiwan) enjoy spending time on arguing on the internet, it makes them satisfied.
Perfectly stated. I observed males openly physically abusing women in public, entitled people arguing and chest prodding police officers regarding parking offenses etc. I observed conflict there often and on a regular basis.
LOL worded letters take WEEKS!!. chine's don't give a fuck they are paid 12/hr USD at most to break concrete, not care if your baby doesn't sleep LOL! chine only cares if you pay them. corrupt as fuck gov't but who care you live?!
Will I think the non-confrontational behaviour of the British is overstated. It’s more like polite confrontation imo
Gussy .D so you giys arent like the movie Green Street?? Lmao
Another great video guys - thanks much. I do love this format - discussing issues while riding through fascinating streetscapes of countryside and cities. I would love more commentary on what we're seeing you pass by, but understand that would really interrupt the topic at hand. Like for instance in this video: all those massive tanker trucks on the road everywhere - why so many and what are they transporting?
Winston. I love these videos. I have given up on normal tv now......awesome
another leg vid guys, interesting, and yes, very accurate, in my exp.
"Thou seest the hearts are filled with hate, and to overlook is Thine, O Thou Concealer of the sins of the worlds. "
Mine as well. I lived in Hong Kong both before (when stuff like this rarely happened) the Brits left and after. This type of shit slowly became commonplace after the handover and as someone who lived on the second floor I can relate as well. Not sure how your or my opinion from experience can be called racist but whatever😕
BAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAH WINSTON its hilarious how you went down and confronted them hahahahah you got balls dude
Cheers guys. Really good vids.
SIR, I LOVE YOUR WAY OF EXPLAINING EVERYTHING
5 am? I get mad when I hear a chainsaw outside at 8-9 am!
In Singapore, the police is quite effective in this area about noise pollution. I have called them twice so far to curb excessive noise. However one area which I am helpless about are smokers smoking in non smoking area. Most people generally do not confront these smokers, probably for fear of escalating into violence as most smokers adopted the alpha behaviour when smoking. Love your ride and watching it on a projector screen
Top episode guys 👍
I love these motorcycle chats that you two gentlemen do.
I love this guy! When I was in Saudi Arabia I came across similar cultural differences. China is similar to Saudi in some respects - a logic no go zone! Just had my toilet seat repaired! Guess how many seconds it lasted!
Its quite shocking to see how many trolls and how much hate ADVChina brings out everytime they post a video. Its kind of sad to see these people "hide" behind their "anonymity" and spew out so much garbage. Its not hard to try to be nice. Decency seems to be lacking in the internet era.
And kudos to all you normal people that actually behave and those who comment with rightful, constructive critisism.
He is doing nothing wrong in this situation. Workers in any countries in the west have to follow rules and you are not allowed to do noisy work late at night or before a certain time in the morining for the obvious reason that you disturb people in their home if you do! If the same situation happened where I live, I would do exactly the same as he did. But where I live, that will not happen.
I did leave C-Milk a few troll comments at first.
Mainly about him looking like a lesbian. He said it himself on another video. Then I read all the horrible comments and thought ‘no, I won’t bother’. Some are really bad, some of the worst I’ve seen. They’re not even trolling, they’re not funny or offensive, just vicious and nasty.
It’s really opening my eyes to what some Chinese people are like.
How does a lesbian look like?
I know a few...
Just tell me...
This was very interesting. Thank you.
amazing, thanks for this
i love ur videos, as someone with a Chinese background, it makes me so happy to see someone attempt to take on some of the utter bullshit in Chinese culture! u rock
he gonna get ass kick someday...trust me
This is China ,not uk.......fuck.....
waaaah waaaah - you gonna get hide in bushes and try to take picture to get him trouble. Me Tarzan you Jane. Lover88100 is ready to strike! LMAO
normally，Chinese students go to class at 6am while teachers have to come even early. As a Chinese, I am truly sorry about what happened but those people who made noise also don’t have to do it. It just because they need job for living. To Be honest, our society is not well-developed (or organized) yet. It definitely an great for my country and our community to have more immigrants to improve our life quality. Again, sorry about what happened. There is cultural conflict and social problems but We believe Things would be improved just like what we did In the past 20 years. Hope you guys could have more great experiences on China. We are welcome everyone to visit and living with us. Chinese are very friendly
If there were more like you in the right positions of power, this problem wouldn't exist
Yuyang Liu i really like chinese people, don’t worry my friend every society has problems
I have never had anything bad happen to me in China.
你是一個有禮貌有教養似一個人會説的話 如果中國人有你一半就好了
Thats not the problem, you are not suppose to apoligy, different country has different way do things, you didnt go to america to complain this and that, did you?... If your contry is richest and powerest in the world, everybody will admire instead complain, think about it, just too much america and america dog in western media, and our country is weak.
Talking to your mate while riding? That is so cool!
great insight and good on you
I am disappointed that beautiful SASHA would not consider you her manly HERO for stopping the noise!
She could probably sleep through it. If that's the case, the fact that he couldn't basically makes him exactly the same as the noise he's trying to stop, which makes it annoying for her. I could be wrong, though. In either case, you don't ever get points for arguing with your wife.
You pick your battles. If you stand to lose more by winning, you have to pragmatically make a choice. If pragmatism isn't a part of your life, then you're right. There's no reason to defer the upper-hand for the sake of peace.
I want to know if Winston put on his suit and tie at 2.00 am when he went down to shout at the workers
Very interesting video! I know exactly how you feel Winston. Been there. Not pleasant.
Fascinating stuff !!!
Interesting. As you mentioned though in a previous video they do confront people and seek justice but only by naming and shaming people online, yet they don't tell the people off in person. I'm curious as to whether people record or take photos of the people making noise and put it on a blog or email the company or something instead of going and talking to them?
The fear of confrontation in China is really an extension of a larger fear of authority figures. ie. keep your head down, melt into the crowd, don't draw attention to yourself or bad things may happen. It is counter intuitive to Western thinking, but avoiding any or all confrontation in China is an embedded survival trait. Unfortunately, when something does come up where legitimate intervention is valid, (someone collapsing on a street, someone breaking up crates at night) the non-interventionist conditioning remains very strong. On the flip side, when someone does show up and begins to rave at the indiscretion (an angry Winston in fluffy slippers) then they assume the authority figure role and can stop the submissive workers. (whereas in the West, that same worker may say "Screw you old man in fluffy slippers. let me introduce you to Mr crowbar" Give em hell guys. Sometimes the cows in the next field here moo at night and that can be annoying.
Cool chat + cool ride 😎
I love your videos 😂👍
Watch your language Winston. With some people when you use a curse work you automatically lose. You usually wore a suit to create a good impression.
So yeah, just call up the construction boss. If he orders them to work at night and knows he'll keep people up, I'm sure he won't mind being called out of bed.
good point
Love the music man
Nice road, what a road... Smooth and straight...
Chinese worker: didn't apologize, kindly asks you to wait for 10 minutes.
Russian worker: just punches you in the face and puts you to sleep.
*A retired Red Army soldier
Justice and honor Russia is nothing compared to South Africa.
A Russian working though ha ha ha!
"Russian worker: just punches you in the face and puts you to sleep" No they wouldn't, worst case scenario they would call you a suka and maybe push you around.
LOLOL , have you noticed the looks you get when you confront them ..................The Blank , what are you talking about look. Here in Singapore i get this sort of thing happening , not as bad as China , but the same lack of care for the community and individual. The lack of respect pisses me off no end !!!!! No body gets away with it with me , or at least i vent my feelings very loudly to who ever is being a prick.
But you call the police, they will take action.
Singapore still ok what, no one drilling pavements at 12am one. Only noise at night is muthu drinking at kopitiam, ali playing guitar at void deck and ah hock shuffling mah jong
Lol. PLEASE dont bring Singapore in the conversation.
As long as u call the police, they TAKE action ASAP.
It's when u report a lost iphone or phone when u lose them in a public place or theme park, then they will come n do the report for u but take no action after tat.
i salute to your integrity, its very much rare these days !
You are great guy!
Those bikes are awesome to look at
This is interesting. I feel the same living in the U.S. as an expat from China.
No one except me would confront the group that are making outragoues noice in libraries/study rooms and the neighbors that still having loud parties after 2AM in apartment complexes.
I have called school securities, apartment courtesy patrols, and even polices numerous times over the 8 years I lived in Ohio and California. I haven't seen any Americans do the same.
Growing up in northern China (people are wild, like Texan), my parents always tell me to stay away from the troubles and do not mess with the people you do not want to mess with. One more issue is better than one less issue as "多一事不如少一事" in Chinese. However, I never listened. When you have to fight for your right, you got to do it. You cannot expect the shameless people to do the right thing without others confronting them.
Texans are actually very friendly and empathetic, at least from my experience. Many stereotypes against Texans in this country are quite unfair, I would say, but the political division is deep.
cachem11 I guess it depends on your surroundings. In the neighborhoods I know, if you’re too loud someone will make a noise complaint with the police.
Arailt
In larger metro areas like LA, polices are too busy doing other more serious stuff and do not always respond for noise complaints. Even if they come in may be an hour and half, they cannot do much either. If the resident choose to not open the door, they cannot force open it. The apartment will only vacant those tenants if they get filed complaints for more than 3 - 4times in a row and it seems no one but me is complaining. It's a very large complex in downtown LA with more than 200 units.
Also there was a construction site right across the street (632 S Bixel St, Los Angeles), some times they start using noisy equipments as early as 6AM and semi trucks came to deliver building materials at 4AM. There is nothing we can do about it since it did not violate the city code.
So I am thinking maybe it's not Chinese people do not like to confront, it's residences of large cities who become more tolerative?
Living in busy, crowed part of the large cities is always tough, no matter which country you are in.
+Joe Blow
Athens, Ohio a very small college town, almost 0 African American
Maybe that was because younger folks living near my apartments have much higher tolerance level over party noise?
w8stral2
Maybe I'm super unlucky. I encounter noisy groups in "quiet area" at least once per month and it's USC, one of the better schools.
I must give you a thumb up on this. Because we individually cannot control how things going, and we normally don't want any potential troubles (we think it would be unworthy if any people get hurts), so we usually choose to endure cowardly, or call police or security guards to confront for us (we usually won't do that by ourselves to avoid conflicts).You were lucky, because who you were confronting seems very nice, not so rude and aggressive. And another important reason is you are a foreigner, common lower class people do not want make troubles with foreigners.
Wow, that was amazing.
Nice work on this vid.
Only people confronting these guys is one south african dude. everybody else is quietly suffering. Two words: SOY. BOIZ.
You know why is the only one shouting at those people? He is used to be the bass, is used to shouting at people -especially non white back in South Africa.
No Mateus I don't shout, no need, I just use my sjambok.
Cameron Massey so funny. My South African wife is exactly the same! 😜
@ Mateus Mahumane: What are you talking about? Get rid of your victim mentality.
Cuz us in SA don't deal with shit.
5,000 years of "shut up" to survive.
Winston really dig that helmet wish i had that one when i had my Harley Davidsons to ride.
I can’t help but like these guys
I have the same issue with my wife (Chinese) as you Winston. She will get mad at me, saying: "Don't worry about things you can't change/have no control over!" It seems that in China, many people are conditioned to not know what they can or cannot affect, or they just pass the buck, as Cmilk said.
Growing up in northern China, my parents always tell me the same, but I never listened. I confronted many of my neighbors over the years and I guess they really hate me even though I asked very politely. Anyway at least I got my sleep.
By my experience it is pretty much the same in any post communist country, which makes it sometimes superhard to live in, when you are the only one with some kind of sense
same experience with my chinese ex girlfriend. this was her whole life attitude: "i cant do anything about it anyways..." and then she always just suffered through everything, yet still complaining to me...
Is this exactly the reason why China is still under rule of dictatorship?
"If a nation expects to be ignorant and free, in a state of civilization, it expects what never was and never will be"
"When governments fear the people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny."
That's why they're non confrontational, hence the second quote.
I can only offer that a mob of (fairly poor) Australian students in the late 80s encountered similar problems & we got just as incensed. The thing that was drummed into us in those days was diplomacy, diplomacy. So even when it was 1 in the morning & some uncaring someone had done what they promised they wouldn't & stuffed us all up. Someone would produce a bottle of beer, someone else would engage them in conversation & often there'd be a song or a series of jokes & there would be rapport. Then, the conversation would get round to who was the boss/decision maker/person who had the authority to stop this happening. We didn't have mobile phones but a few times we went to their house & woke them up - bosses seem to always find a way not to be on the late night shift. If that didn't work, suddenly we weren't the friendly Aussies. We would go & get the cops & bring them there.
Cops don't like being dragged out @ 2am much either but by that stage, we had rapport w' the cops & we would stand there & defend the people stuffing us up making sure the blame went on & to the boss.
That sort of reputation gets around...
fuck... i didn't understand anything of all that crap you wrote...Is that English?
Good video
Tachometer not working ... Winston.
Great Vid. Thank you.
Wait a minute... 8:52 is that guy driving into oncoming traffic?
Edit: and again at 9:28
Edit 2: and again 13:46 before he turned off
Schmiddy who says the rest of us aren't driving into his oncoming traffic?
Check out, "Why do Chinese People Drive So Badly" on Winston's own channel, Serpentza.
Yes. Why? Because China. and would you really want to go all the way to an intersection to turn around and go all the way back? just to turn around again to go back to another intersection just to turn around? In the town my college is, the street is similar, two opposite one way roads, it can get annoying if you miss a place...
so many people get killed doing this... its ridiculous...
Schmiddy Yes they are. Welcome to China.
As a Chinese, I was a little angry at firstly. However, when I watched it twice, My emotion calmed down al
ready. I feel very sorry for it, but I Think it is decided by Chinese culture and Chinese history and the situation will not be improved for a long time. Anyway, I love my country and I hope you keep enjoying your time in China.
do not worry i think winston is just getting a little fed up with china and police come to his house once a month to check pasport etc. i have been in beijing 8 years i am english and some things upset me. spitting .driving etc.
but most chinese are fine all countrys have people who are selfish not just china.
i am sure me and most laowhy still enjoy our life here so do not feel bad . it is your country after all.
news now uk Your grammar is terrible.
Poor William Gerard - he has been brainwashed. But he had the brains bred out of him so he is limited in thought and logic. He will fight at any comment that says something negative about his country. He was taught about this nationalist method and he is a true soldier. He will lie to prove a point so try to ignore him. He is the reason China is not improving.
TA Achieve fatality😂
Man! Hats off. You are courageous.
4:32, you two guys were driving staightly on the turn-left traffic light. Lol
If you stay in Shanghai, it will be so different: a lot of people will stand up and prevent such stupid things without fearing confrontation.
别扯了，我就是中国人，中国大城市都是半夜和凌晨施工，包括上海，遇到噪声上海宁也得忍着
@@vigilyoung3732 关于噪音，确实是的，这些公司会借用特殊工种连夜施工，报警也没有，完全同意你的观点。 我谈的是里面的另外一件事情，我具体不记得了。
As for noise, you are absolutely correct, many companies will do the construction work all through the nights with a special license(little cost for them) for many days. It is useless for us to call the police. But I was talking about the confrontation of a story in the videos, but I forgot which one.
Its always an other area in communist Chinarrr. Always the south, or east or west. Never the whole of Chinarr or communist. No mao is perfect. Mao is life
This is a symptom of a lot of Asian cultures. A village I used to live in over here in Thailand had loudspeakers set up throughout to make announcements and at least they would wait until 7am to do some of their announcements, it was still way annoying to get woken up by them. To make matters worse, there were a ton of street dogs all over and sometimes at night they would get into barking matches. So happy to have moved into a neighborhood that has neither of these issues. Even I consider myself pretty tolerant of noises, that shit was intolerable.
Your recount reminded me of something. I am in UK and a couple of years ago, used to live with a Vietnamese girl. It so happened that the neighbour locked their little dog outdoors overnight. The dog was barking, yelping, howling so loudly through the night, I couldn't sleep! Tired and stressed out the next morning, I told my Vietnamese housemate "That dog barking was outrageous, wasn't it? And must have disturbed the good night sleep of whole neighbourhood!" And her reply was "What dog was barking?"
Interesting podcast.
Wicked episode 🚀🚀
this is a really nice video guys, thanks for the info! this gets me thinking how I should not be passive at times where I live as well, as I am not always confrontational myself but only when its unbearable or too much, like i was on a school bus to work (im a teacher) and the dude kept driving fast especially at bumps in the road and that is gonna cause serious back problems and makes us literally fly from our seats, eventually i spoke to him saying take it easyyy slowww down then he is like i just want to get to guys to your destination, im like not like this you arent, then he finally slowed down since, everytime i get on hes like oh ur here im like yeah? xD so yeah uprooting the problem and dealing with it is sometimes or always a necessity rather than just letting it linger and not doing squat, there is nothing to fear when it comes to confrontation.
well.... not unless they're gonna be suer aggressive
Winston is an honorable man. wish you two all the best during traveling.
I loved the "what the Sam Hill are u doing?" rough transition
Ow top tip for light sleepers is white noise. Anything like a fan, something that makes noise but is consistent, no changes in pictch or volume.
As a Chinese I has to agree with you and thanks you for what you did and what you are doing now. I often angry with myself why we Chinese men behave so cowardly. I can only come to conclusions that because that is the way we were brought up. Avoid confrontation at all cause. That is not completely wrong either considered what we Chinese just went thru last 200 hundreds years. Maybe that's is also the reason why most Chinese love the present government that stand up to the world stronger powers.
It's not coward. Safety first. Call the police. Let the police deal with the workmen. Much safer that way.
The Chinese are indoctrinated into loving their government, from birth upwards. They don't consider themselves political beings, or that the people should have any say in their own lives and freedoms.
As a Chinese person myself, I say our government is shit!!!
As an American, there's something to be said for avoiding confrontation. There's a balance that is needed of course but certainly live/let live is valid to a degree.
UncleWang420
All governments are shit.
Interesting video. Been really enjoying your recent vlogs. What happened in the part of the video that starts around 8:30? Is the rest of that anywhere?
I was wondering about the backstory of that part as well.
what video is this in? and what happened?
That is explained in one of Winston's SerpentZA episodes. I'll try to find it.
Look up, stopping a fight on serpent za. Video is about Good Samaritans
15:50 Best Comment Ever from Winston 😄👍❤️
I live in a Dublin suburban area.
One time, I was woken up at 3am on a Thursday morning by the sound of two guys singing on top of their lungs, playing a guitar plugged into an amp.
They sang the same folksong several times, I don't know if it was some kinda rehearsal for a pub gig or whatever, but it drove me insane.
Unfortunately I couldn't figure out exactly which apartment/house it came from and I wouldn't want to wake up the wrong neighbors, so I just had bury my head in the pillow until I needed to go to work.
I can't recall the last time I was that angry in my life.
I have moved to a different area since then, I live in a more posh area now where people have manners and common sense.
Wow, thank you so much. I got such a lot out of this post. I thought i was the only one in the whole of China who confronted people about anti-social behaviour at ridiculous times of the day and night. It often seems to me that the majority of Chinese people don't even notice the hideous problems with noise. My wife is exactly the same as yours; just put in ear plugs and take a pill, ffs. I've had so much trouble from these confrontations, because i'm an idiot and can't speak Chinese, but this really helped - thanks again.
I witnessed a public confrontation on my last trip to China. Two scooters collided at an intersection and one of the drivers (the bigger one) was very mad and wanted to fight. He kept pushing and hitting the other guy on the head, but despite his provocation, the 2nd guy didn't fight back. He just allowed himself to be beat on while others watched. I started to film it, but I noticed both of them glancing at me and decided against it. They probably would have taken out their frustration on me...at the loss of face.
ima4ster. The smaller guy would be worse off if he fought.
ima4ster, Are you trying to say road rage only happens in China?
that's the problem in China, there is no law suite.
Yee Leung That's not what I'm saying. I was surprised that police didn't show up and settle it. In the U.S., law enforcement would have come soon and settled it. The drivers would have just stayed calm and let their insurance handle things.
Jeffrey Gunawan.....Well,on the other hand? you can sue someone for having a big knob in USA.
Kool video
The nail that sticks out, gets hammered the most.