Deltarune thoughts because I've lost control of my life
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- čas přidán 10. 07. 2024
- I like Deltarune, so I decided to talk about it for a bit.
Misty Sparkles' video on Gaster
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Andrew Cunningham's video on the Narrator
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CiblesGD's video on the Chara Narrator Theory
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Hmm. Seam being the Sans of DELTARUNE is a very interesting observation that I hadn't considered, especially considering he trounced Jevil, who was the most powerful un-modified Darkner we've encountered. Interesting. Great video! I enjoyed. x)
Hi Jaru 💕🥰👍
@@sidneywashington7108 Hello. x)
Where are you getting _he trounced Jevil_ from?
@@jackatk He brought Jevil's rampage to an end and sealed him away under the Card Castle.
Oh, hi Jaru. Nice seeing ya
I mentioned it in another comment but I genuinely think Rouxls Kaard may end up being a secret boss.
The final secret boss is likely going to be whoever drove them mad so I could totally see Rouxls becoming the second to last.
One chapter he just goes missing and you never find him unless you find the secret boss (which would totally be locked behind several increasingly difficult puzzles with the final being his ultimate puzzle from chapter 1)
Turns out he met the strange someone (cough cough Gaster cough cough) and they told him something that has driven him mad.
(This would also foreahadow that next chapter you are going to catch up to them)
Think about it, Rouxls already has a unique speech pattern. (Spamton used [brackets] and jevil liked to repeat himself like this this!)
He is an abandoned item (jevil was the Joker card (often removed from the deck) and Spamton was spam email (ignored constantly) Rouxls is the rules card which will be thrown away or ignored once people know the rules as it's useless then)
He has a striking resemblance to gaster. (Which has got to count for something)
Honestly I find it likely that he will become a secret boss.
Idk it looks too idiot to be manipulated...
I wouldn't complain if he comes as a consistent side antagonist to each darkworld, I really liked him
I know it's like a year old but i want add some stuff to ðis.
1. Given how Rouxls himself seems like he's moving towards a story about getting outdated/discarded, (King is imprisioned and so can't get Rouxls any high positions, Queen is taking Rouxls role as a dad, and even Susie is against Rouxls joining (Rouxls joins anyway but if Rouxls continues to fight The Fun Gang (Which he will if is Check is to be believed) he probably won't even be able force himself in.))
So even if you don't believe ðe Rules Card analogy, it still seems like Rouxls is heading in ðis direction.
A lot of people believe Alvin/Gerson is The Roaring Knight, and if assume ðat's true and assume The Knight will be revealed in Chapter 5, ðat means Chapter 5 would very likely be a Writing based world, which would make a world where Rouxls Kaard would belong and not turn into stone.
(I mean It's possible The Knight is a completely seperate character but my point about a Rouxls Kaard in a Writing Fountain still stands.)
Am i just falling into Conformation Bias, probably, but it's still fun to speculate even if you're completely wrong
I don't think he'll use another card as a secret boss just purely based on the fact it'd be boring. I do think we'll be seeing him a lot more and we will be fighting him again but I really doubt it'll be anything more than just filler stuff.
i mean the Roaring Knight and Roulx Kaard have the same initials, RK, so maybe Roulx is either associated with, is or a red herring of the Roaring Knight in some way.
I love how he's a frequent character now and there's more to him than meets the eye. hope to see more from him in future chapters
If you think about now in his action in ch2 the most probable thing is when he meets the knight he will join them and battle you as a pre final boss.
I still am interested in the idea of multiple "Knights"
Their are 4 Knights in chess and Deltarune has had alot of chess symbolism.
The Roaring Knight is a black Knight.
Rouxls Kaard is the other black Knight.
Kris is the first white Knight.
That just leads to the question of who else on our side is a knight/making fountains.
Of course this could work with other characters this is just an example.
@@pineappleudh6561 Maybe the 2 black knights are Darkners and the 2 white knights are Lightners? (Also I like the idea of Rouxls Kaard being a knight because Toby can finally use his unused "epic battle" music in a miniboss or boss fight like lunderf28 mentioned. Lol)
@@cherry_3311
That would make sense.
It might be why he’s so confident
My favourite part about Rouxls is that confusion.
He could be the most important character in the game, the Knight, some sort of God, heck he could literally BE Gaster!!!
Or he could be a joke character with no importance to the story...
And somehow both seem equally likely.
Personally I'm expecting him to end up being the boss before The Knight, the final frontier before you face The Knight.
And after the fight he just has a full on breakdown, eventually just saying screw it and joining your party. (Wether actually a party member or just a joke like Berdly, lancer and starwalker who knows.)
And on weird route I could see it going one of 3 ways.
He becomes one of the final bosses, dying in one hit before transforming the damage into a heal and facing you in an epic fight where he's constantly changing the rules of the game and can't physically be damaged "THIS ISETH MINE FINAL STANDE!!!"
Or just suddenly being removed from the story after you straight up tear the Rules Card in half in the light world.
Or (though this is probably the least likely) joining you as a party member to replace Susie and Ralsei late game (probably only temporary as he would be a bit to goofy to be permanent) after all his goal is to serve the most evil person.
Though one of my favourite ideas is that he will end up missing in one of the chapters, and will become that chapters secret boss having encountered a strange someone (cough cough Gaster cough cough) and being driven mad.
I like this one the most.
I really like all of these possibility but what if..HE REALIZES THAT KRIS IS EVIL (not knowing it's the player controlling them) SO HE SERVES AND JOIN US THINKING WE'RE THE MOST EVIL PERSON!!
Maybe Rouxls could join your party as a fourth member. Since there were a lot of references in Ch. 2 about how you could never have more than three members in your party, and then after a boss fight with him rewriting the rules, he changes that one too to allow you four party members.
I feel like a gastered Roulx would be way worse than Jevil because instead of breaking the rules, he MAKES them
I mean Deltarune is cool and all, and I'm interested in how the story's going to play out. Though I think people are missing the point of the larger mysteries at hand, which I believe Toby has been trying to divert attention from...
That being the mystery of what happened to Alpharune, Betarune, and Gammarune before our current game? And the possibility of Epsilonrune after this game has wrapped up?
Wait... Epsilon isn't a move strength in Mother. THAT'S ILLEGAL!
@@whirl3690 Damn I forgot that Earthbound invented Greece and subsequently their alphabet. Sorry I must have had a memory laps, I mean more then 4 letters... insanity...
Bro, what about Zettarune?!
OMEGARUNE.
@@darealsooski floweytale....
omegarune?
runetale?
omegaflowey?
Great vid!
My personal Rouxls theory/speculation is that we’re going to see his secret-boss-ification in real time. Chapter 2 establishes that he’s always looking for someone to serve, so if he were to be given such an opportunity from a shadowy man, I think he’d take it. And getting to see a character go through the stages Jevil, Spamton, and the currently unknown others are implied to have gone through will retroactively fill in some gaps for their backstories while providing some tasty angsty dramatic irony for Rouxls once it becomes clear what’s going on with him. Plus the fact that he’s based on the rules card just screams potential for wacky fight mechanics if he were given the chance to exercise that to its full potential.
Or maybe he’ll remain a silly joke character, who’s to say?
that sounds rlly cool nice theory
THANK YOU
im so glad someone actually mentioned gaster using the game as a "survey"
regarding how the soul turned yellow during the spamton neo fight, i LOVE the idea that the soul comes directly from undertale. after the player helps that world, they get taken and put into deltarune to save THAT world. so the soul has seen the yellow heart mechanic before and knows that it works on robots.
It's certainly an idea, but unfortunately there's no evidence to back this up. It requires a few leaps in logic to actually try and fit it into the story
This would imply, though, that Deltarune and Undertale are heavily connected, to the point where travelling between them is feasible. Toby has stated multiple times that he wants us to consider Deltarune and Undertale as separate things entirely, to the point where he made like a tweet after ch2 released about how glad he was that people were finally starting to see Deltarune as it's own thing rather than just in relation to undertale, so I find it hard to believe the SOUL from Undertale is the same as in Deltarune.
It's still possible, though, I guess.
fun hypothesis i saw someone else make about souls:
humans gain more control over their soul mode as they age.
this would explain why kris is able to make their soul yellow on command, while frisk needs a monster to change their soul mode.
I mean, the soul IS literally just the player. The only absolute constant between Deltarune and Undertale is us, the player. We can travel between worlds as much as we like. The only restraint is that someone needs to make a vessel for us before we can enter a new world.
@@birdflox1337 You're spouting things like theyre confirmed Canon even though it's all up to interpretation. Show me the line where someone says, verbatim, that the SOUL is directly, literally the player.
...You can't. Because that's not strict Canon yet. That's just one interpretation.
excellent video! a few thoughts:
- personally i think the knight is just a new character we haven't met, not anyone we know, particularly because of toby's note on a scrapped song before the undertale 6th anniversary livestream, about his idea for an animated intro that would end with the delta warriors ascending a staircase, flanked by every chapter's arc villain, before facing the knight; this almost definitely rules out kris, susie, ralsei, and every chapter villain as knight candidates.
- while watching this video though, i realized that queen never said anything about darkners being unable to possess determination, which opens up the possibility of the knight being a darkner (one with no physical light world form, like ralsei seems to be)
- Star Walker
- in a chapter 4 fangame i'm making, the purple soul mode allows you to briefly pass through bullets as its special ability, which fits thematically because the boss is a pen (invisible ink) who was almost always treated as invisible herself. she just wants to be noticed by people and she's so precious and i love her
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They're not mute, just quiet and their speech is relayed by other characters. We'll likely see Kris actually talk for ourselves whenever they remove their SOUL mid-chapter or something to that effect.
It's just a portal 2 reference
the egg, when put in windings, is right up up. the actions of the knight in chess.
Another weird thing about Rouxls Kaard is that darkeners are supposed to freeze when they enter someone else's dark world, Lancer only lasts a few moments, immediately gets violently ill and turns to stone, but Rouxls spends the entire adventure running around on his own, shows up to do battle with you, and then doesn't even fully freeze
The thing about Rouxls that gets me is the fact that he can teleport. The game doesn't really bring much attention to it, dialog wise, but teleportation isn't exactly a small power.
We can do it in deltarune ourselves as Kris with the door, I don't think teleportation is as big as it was with sans in Undertale.
@@ebisu-chan The door itself is magic, it's not that Kris can teleport.
@@BrixVGM but we never see anyone, sans or rouxls or anyone else actually teleporting. It's most likely they're just using the doors.
@@ebisu-chan my sibling in the angel we literally see Rouxls teleport in front of us multiple times. It's a super flashy visual effect that's played for laughs but it's still a teleport.
Sans also literally teleports us to Grillbys and at the end of his fight during the penultimate attack teleports repeatedly 13 or so times
Jevil teleports rapidly at the end of his fight and his first attack has him teleport on screen
Um maybe jevil but he's a rogue element that we know next to zero about, however that thing you're saying with rouxls, the big flashy thing, it kinda looks like a big door to me.
And again we actually don't see sans actually teleport visually. We have nothing to go on. I think it's door power but I also really don't care, it was a throwaway thought and now I'm over it
one odd thing i noticed about spamton's dealmaker glasses is that they are nearly (but not exactly) the same colors as the sparing text in undertale. pink and yellow.
pink?
@@MAXIMUMPOWER42 If you talk to the froggit who mentions yellow names in Undertale you can switch them out for pink names
Honestly, I really REALLY hope Deltarune only has one ending. The journey, wheter it be covered in friendship or cold blooded murder, is the ethos. It dosent matter at the end what we did, it matters by itself.
Anyway Mr Elegance is the knight and you cant tell me otherwise.
Also it would be much harder to replay the entire game just so you can undo one mistake in the early chapters. Only two chapters for my Deltarune save file to be bigger than my True Pacifist playthrough
Btw one feature I really liked is the game just giving you the shadow crystal regardless the save file you've beaten Jevil before
I'm okay with a second ending that requires you to do snowgrave route(s), like yeah if you want a special ending different from the default one you should stray away from the game's intended way of playing, and have a different journey and experience all together.
My one problem with Undertale is that if you fail to do a pacifist run on your first try you gotta repeat the whole thing again, with only a few dialogue changes, so you get the extra-content (the dates, final boss and true ending).
Soul Modes.
Red-default, gains TP in Deltarune.
Yellow-shoot, gains BIG SHOT in Deltarune.
Ideas:
Blue-gravity, stomp.
Green-possibly can move but shield slows you down and you can drop it?
Purple-swing from strings? Partially missing strings that cause you to fall?
New Ideas-
Orange-dash through attacks (possibly forced every few seconds)
Cyan-can only move when near attacks/far away.
By presenting us with the whole town in the first chapter he's teasing so hard, so many locations and characters that we have endless room to guess how they will interact
This video encapsulates so many of my feelings on Deltarune, I’m SO excited for the next few chapters! Personally I’m a fan of the idea that Alvin Boom is the knight, what with the foreshadowing in Chapter 2’s graveyard: “would you be proud of me? and is it truly alright for this hammer to…” Either way, great video and I’m hella excited for Ch. 3-5
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You say that Deltarune's prophecy is unrelated to Undertale, but you've actually fallen into a conflation trap here
You see, in Deltarune, Ralsei's whole story about the Delta Warriors banding together, sealing the fountains, and banishing the Angel's Heaven is referred to as "The *LEGEND* of Delta Rune", not the Prophecy.
So here's what I'm thinking.
In Undertale, the prophecy was that the Angel would see the surface, return to the Underground, and then render the Underground "empty", and there are two characters who fit this role:
ASRIEL, who in the True Pacifist route becomes the *"Saving Angel"* and renders the Underground empty by freeing the monsters.
and CHARA, who in the Genocide route becomes the *"Destroying Angel"* and renders the Underground empty by destroying everyone, and everything.
In the Neutral endings, the prophecy goes unfulfilled, as the Underground remains not yet empty.
However, there is something of note in this situation, namely that *Neither the Saving nor the Destroying Angel is capable of appearing without the player being present*
Do you realize what this means?
It means that *the Angel can only exist if it comes from something that was not there before*
And from where do Angels hail?
Why, that would be *Heaven,* of course!
*The Angel descends from the Angel's Heaven*
And that would mean that in Undertale, the *Player is the Angel's Heaven!*
And since in Deltarune, the Underground has already apparently been rendered empty in a peaceful, non murdery way, or if there was never any underground to escape from in the first place...
That means that were an Angel to descend from the Angel's Heaven at this time...
It would almost certainly be *a Destroying Angel.*
Because, as we all know, the final goal of the Delta Warriors is to *banish the Angel's Heaven...*
*... And save the world from destruction!*
Yep, you heard me right. Deltarune is a game about Kris having a secret plan to sneakily lead the all powerful player to their own banishment. And the signs that Kris has this all planned out are there. You should try looking for them, but if you're having trouble, I'll definitely point some out for you!
One thing I've seen mentioned is the theory that Kris, (somehow predicting future events) purposely woke up late on Chapter 1 so that they would be asigned with Susie as a partner, because she is essential to the plan in some way. Literally EVERYTHING else in the game stems from the two being partners. After they are grouped together, they go to the closet to get chalk. There, they fall into the darkworld and meet Ralsei. They bond, they become friends, and then they seal the fountain. Then Susie agrees to meeting up again the next day. Kris rips out the SOUL and does uh... _something._ Chapter 2 happens, Kris opens a fountain, and that's where we are left. But none of that would have happend if Kris didn't sleep in at the start of Chapter 1. Kris planned everything from the beggining. They are making all the choices that *matter.*
@@pablopereyra7126 YES! PRECISELY THAT!
And don't forget the fact that Monster Kid wanted to become Kris's partner that morning, but for *some strange reason, NOBODY expected Kris to show up that day, even though Toriel acted like it was a regular morning.*
All of Monster Kids dialogue implies that they would have preferred to have waited for Kris to show up and become their partner instead of Snowy, but since nobody expected Kris to show up, of course MK would be forced to choose Snowy.
@@pablopereyra7126 There's also the matter where Kris does subtle things to influence *exactly how things will play out,* and it's ALL explicitly Kris that is doing it. It's not coincidence.
It was NOT by chance or coincidence that Susie follows Kris at the end of chapter 2.
Kris communicated nonverbally to Susie that they wanted her to follow (proven by dialogue from Susie). We had zero control over this, meaning Kris was responsible.
It was NOT by chance or coincidence that Toriel decided to bake another pie that night.
She did so to replace the pie that Kris ate the entirety of, once again, something we had no control over.
It was NOT by chance or coincidence that Susie chose to enter Kris's house.
She only entered when tempted by the prospect of Toriel baking pie, which was something Kris was ultimately responsible for.
It was NOT by chance or coincidence that Toriel suggested the sleepover.
She did so because she feared for Susie's safety after learning that her tires had been slashed very recently, which was Kris's act.
It was NOT by chance or coincidence that somebody plugged in the TV between Chapter 1 and 2.
It was Kris, and they did it ahead of time to ensure that the TV would be plugged in before they opened the fountain
What does this all prove? Well, connecting the dots, it basically proves that *from the moment Kris ate the pie and plugged the TV in between chapter 1 and 2, they knew EXACTLY what they were going to do at the end of chapter 2, meaning that Kris knew how to open Dark Fountains BEFORE hearing Queen's explanation.*
That makes sense and it could be possible but my question is why was the player sent into the world of deltarune in the first place what is our purpose besides the role as the angel that gets banished? After all we didn't choose to control Kris it just happened because the voice in the beginning (possibly gaster) wanted us to for some unknown reason.
@@joshuahunter3131 You wanna know what I think it is?
Well, I'll tell you for sure that it has something to do with Gaster and an experiment of his, but what I believe is happening is that Gaster brought us into the world of Deltarune in order to test the limits of the power of Determination.
You see, in Undertale, we were the most Determined being in all of the Underground, even when it came to Omega Flowey and Asriel with all their absorbed SOULS. We know this because even if Flowey kills us, we are able to come back and LOAD our game (we are only unable to SAVE because there are no save points during the battle.) The same thing also applies to Asriel, which is literally an unlosable fight, since it's impossible for us to Game Over during it.
So, with the player being this uber-determined being, one might wonder if it would be possible for a less determined being to EVER permanently defeat the player and prevent them from loading back into the game (this gets a bit meta), and I believe this is what is happening in Deltarune. Do you remember the EULA from Deltarune's original release in 2018, which literally only contained the words "YOU WILL ACCEPT EVERYTHING THAT HAPPENS FROM NOW ON" and you could either accept or cancel the install? Well, that was Gaster basically saying "Will you participate in my experiment?", and If you accept, then the experiment begins.
You see, I believe that Kris is the one on the other side of Gasters experiment. It's not certain exactly how it happened, but I believe it to be something along the lines of Gaster granting Kris the power of determination, and as much time and knowledge as they needed before they were ready to bring the player into the world. By using the time and ability to save and load, Kris gathered knowledge (including knowledge of Undertale) on ways to banish the player away, and they came up with a plan that involved using the SOUL to seal Dark Fountains, which somehow brings the player closer and closer to banishment, but Kris knew that the player would need to be led towards this goal, because if the player was allowed independence, it could wreak havoc or never actually reach the banishing point. So Kris decided to instead trick the player into thinking that they were on a grand adventure to stop an evil Knight.
By using that save/load ability to go through hundreds of "dry-runs" (Practice runs without the player's SOUL in which Kris irons out what to do and how to prevent the player from escaping the planned route to their own banishment) they formulated exactly how each Dark World should play out, as well as designing each Darkner in specific ways, especially Ralsei, who exists to aid Kris in motivating the player on the "quest to seal the fountains". Susie, however, has a part to play in sealing the player which is not yet clear.
When Kris was ready for the player's SOUL to enter the world, they stood ready to pounce, as Gaster brought them over somehow, but before the player's vessel could be created, Kris instead swiped the player's SOUL away, and at the same time, hid their original SOUL somewhere safe. By keeping the player's SOUL within themselves, they could easily prevent the player from subverting the planned events, for example, by not allowing the player to use the kitchen sink, or to only make dialogue choices that don't change how the story will play out. I have TONS more examples of Kris preventing the player from making choices if you want those as well.
However, Kris is not omnipotent, so they weren't able to account for literally everything that the player might be able to do within Kris's planned adventure, and this is what the Snowgrave route, or more accurately, the WEIRD route entails. The route is referred to as the WEIRD route within the game's code, and that is because it is a route that is SO WEIRD and unintuitive that Kris didn't even realize the possibility that it might happen while they were preparing for the player to be brought into their world. It's basically a crack in the foundation of Kris's whole plan; we might not be able to collapse the whole thing, but we CAN exploit this weakness. If you would like to hear more about this, lemme know, because I have proof of this, and I can show you how Ralsei accidentally spills the beans on Kris's whole conspiracy
Yes, I do think about this a lot. This theory has been over half-a-year in the making.
Given deltarune is a meta commentary on the relationship between art and consumer, toby is the most likely candidate for knight in my mind; after all, he's the one literally writing the stories
At the same time, this means it's likely he is to remain a distant force all throughout since, you know, the player doesn't actually interact with toby himself
My personal theory on who Kris is is that they are the Deltarune version of Frisk.
1) Kris is an anagram of Frisk, without the F.
2) Kris's skin and hair colors are almost if not completely identical to Frisk's, rather than Chara's.
3) Both Kris and Frisk are seen to have red eyes. I know what you may be thinking: "Doesn't Chara have red eyes?" This is a sort of Mandela Effect stemming from the Post-Geno Pacifist Ending (Pacifist Ending gotten after a finished Genocide Route). On the Genocide Route, the only time we see Chara's eyes, Chara is seen to have brown eyes, even when their face distorts into the jumpscare mode. Thus, the red eyes seen in the Post-Geno Pacifist Ending are from Frisk, not Chara. With both Kris and Frisk, the only times we see their eyes open, their eyes are red, and (as far as I know) there is no evidence to say this isn't their natural eye color. I speculate the red eyes are a result of having the DT necessary to save and load, since Kris and Frisk both have the most DT in their worlds...most of the time. On Undertale's Neutral Route, when Flowey becomes Omega Flowey (or Photoshop Flowey), he has red eyes, and the ability to save and load.
Wow, that went on a bit longer than I expected, entirely from the explanation of the eyes. Welp, might as well continue, so here we go on my theory of who the narrator is. I believe the narrator of Deltarune is Kris.
1) Throughout the majority of the game, we are possessing Kris, so it makes sense that while that happens, Kris would keep themself entertained by narrating our adventures. This would also explain why there are no textboxes in the scenes where Kris frees themself from our control, because there's no reason for them to narrate when they're finally in control again.
2) It has been stated by other characters in Hometown that Kris is no stranger to mischief, so that would explain the sass seen at many points in the narrator's lines.
3) One of the biggest points of this theory is the "Nobody can choose who they are in this world." line. Although this does assume that the entity who interrupts Gaster in the character creation prologue is the same entity who narrates, this line feels in-character for Kris. When they were younger, they wanted to be like the other monsters, even wanting to be a monster themself, thus why Asgore and Toriel got them the horned headband. (This also ties into the theory that Ralsei's Light World item is the horned headband, and that Ralsei is a manifestation of who Kris wanted to be.) Eventually though, Kris realized they were just human, and could do nothing about it: *"Nobody can choose who they are in this world."*
Also, one piece of evidence that nearly undeniably confirms Kris is not the Roaring Knight is that we know the Roaring Knight created the Cyber Dark World's Fountain, and almost certainly did so AFTER Berdly and Noelle got there (there's another comment in this comment section that explains this pretty well). When Berdly and Noelle got to the computer room, we know exactly where Kris was at the time, with us, so Kris could not have created that Fountain, rouxling them out as not being The Knight.
"rouxling them out" lol
@A.J. Lord
there is a problem with ralsei being the headband and that is he can move out of dark world we he chooses and stays within his dark world overnight building kris and susie's bedrooms.
it might be that ralsei may not have a light world item, or well a intangible item.
@@chongwillson972 that is also possible
Red isn't determination
Also, the narrator seems to sometimes know more than Kris, and sometimes the same as them?
It's really, really inconsistent and I doubt the narrator is a character in this game
These are all fantastic points. I'm personally torn on "the Player has commandeered Kris's Soul" idea, though. There are three details that stick in my head against it:
1) Gaster "connects to" us as the SOUL in Chapter 1's intro so we could create the vessel, before we're forcibly disconnected by the second entity and told who we "are."
2) A little theory-crafting, but the Shadowcrystals seem to reflect "truth" or "reality" when you gaze through them. In the Dark World, you see the Light World location in which you obtained each crystal when viewed. In the Light World, however, they're odd pieces of glass, and looking through them shows the people seen in them differently. While with Susie, looking through the glass shows her glaring angrily. While Kris is alone, however, looking through the glass causes you to see right through Kris's hand as though they weren't there. If the "truth" revealed when looking through them in the Light World is the state of one's SOUL, their emotional core, then Kris being transparent would mean that they lack one that is specifically "theirs."
3) The player has special perceptions and senses that other characters do not. Ralsei, clearly aware of the distinction between Kris and the Player, gets you to direct your attention elsewhere to get a moment to speak to Kris alone in both Chapter 1 and 2, and by simply thinking about someone else, you're able to see and hear what's happening to them, and even participate in battle in the same capacity as normal. Chapter 2 expands on this a bit by getting tricksy with Noelle. When characters in Deltarune have dialog in parentheses, its implied that this is because they're whispering to Kris, and indeed the dialog is often addressed at Kris. However, in the "werid" route in Chapter 2, it gets extremely spelled out that most of Noelle's parenthetical dialog isn't whispered, but rather her internal thoughts that we're somehow privy to. And indeed, in retrospect, Susie also has many parenthetical asides directed at no one, and we hear her internal monologue while observing her from afar. This is still functional in the Light World, as seen with Noelle's post-"weird" route scene, as well as when Kris removes the SOUL and stashes it under the sink. We cease to be able to hear the loud running water from the tap once Kris exits the bathroom, and instead are able to hear Susie and Toriel's conversation perfectly, with the sound of running water becoming audible again the moment Kris reenters the bathroom.
It's entirely possible for this power to be tied specifically to the player rather than the SOUL, but considering that the SOUL tags along while observing in order to make inaudible dialog choices (the SOUL is the cursor for interacting with menus and choice boxes) or participate in battle, I'm inclined to believe otherwise. And if this is the power of Kris's SOUL, then they would have always had this power, and what we know of their past indicates that they've always had a... less than total grasp on the feelings of others or general social cues before we took control.
It is interesting that when Kris and the player die, we'll hear dialogue from either Susie or Ralsei in chapter 2, but in both, we'll be presented with two options, and the soul icon will show up for the dialogue prompt anyway.
It is pretty curious though... Kris moving around while apparently lacking a soul, the red soul in Undertale coupled with Gaster saying we've been waiting for a long time, the seemingly haphazard connection with Kris instead of the Vessel, hell, maybe the red soul is both souls simultaneously? Well, according to Undertale, Kris wouldn't be able to absorb a separate human soul at the very least, so we can prooobably rule _that_ one out by default...
@@petruciosxd1374 On the Red Soul point, while I'm not 100% sure that the player Soul in Deltarune is the exact same player Soul as in Undertale, there's a few details that lend to the possibility of it at least being a parallel version of it.
The first being dialog options in Chapter 1 with returning Undertale characters that only really make sense coming from someone who knew them in another life (asking Undyne about Alphys, greeting Sans like an old friend).
The second being the Yellow Soul mode when fighting Spamton Neo. In Undertale's rules, colored soul modes were never spontaneous. They were deliberately initiated by the magic of a given monster to suit their combat style. The Yellow Soul is a unique case in that it isn't granted by Mettaton when you fight him, but rather by Alphys, who basically coded her magic to resonate with Mettaton to activate. This is why it's automatically active at the start of the Mettaton EX fight despite Alphys not acting to trigger it.
When the player Soul in Deltarune gains the Yellow Soul mode against Spamton Neo, it seems to come out of nowhere, but if we're playing by the same rules as Undertale (a big if, admittedly) then neither Kris nor the player could have triggered it willingly. If, hypothetically, our Soul had experienced Undertale's story, then it would have been imbued with Alphys's Yellow magic with the explicit trigger of "Fighting Mettaton" Spamton Neo isn't Mettaton, but he is piloting what is effectively an MS Paint drawing of Mettaton's body made real by the power of the Dark Fountain, which could very well fulfill the trigger condition. Just one of those oddities I spend way too much time thinking about.
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That's actually incorrect. It's stated that all monsters possess Determination, just in much smaller quantities.
I agree. I think the Knight might be a Red Herring for what's actually happening in the world of Deltarune. Kinda like how Asgore was a Red Herring meant to distract players from Flowey, Undertales main antagonist
Edit: Roulx is most likely a joke character, as Toby revealed in the 6th Anniversary Live Stream that he was almost afraid everyone would hate Roulx, but then it turned out ok. Perhaps his worrying could be interpreted as "Roulx is really important I hope everyone likes him enough to want to see more", but I personally interpret it as "Oh know I might have to write this character out of the game if people don't like him"
Hmmm i wonder what the knife became in the dark world, considering the swords are school supplies, and we haven't seen kris use any other weapons. We know they're always holding the knife as we play so i wonder
come to think of it, where did kris's shield came from?
@@SleepingTroubles it's the sword itself, looking at the animation the sword turns into the shield, so it stands to reason it's still the pencil kris carries as their equipped weapon.
@@arkaring wow, are you sure? if that is really a thing this is a MAJOR deal. We for the longest time wondered and followed how things from the light world change into the dark world, if the things can turn multiple forms this complicates stuff a lot, like if we ever want to find out what is that transformed into Susies Mane's Axe
I remember seeing an artist on twitter come up with the theory/AU that noelle's mom is the knight and that she made a deal with gaster to get dess back and ngl i really like that idea, i wish i remembered that person's name so i could shout them out :/
deltarune deltaruined my life
I (and I know others have been thinking in a similar direction) have personally been sitting on the theory that each chapter's secret boss will correspond to the order in which the different humans fell to the underground, but in reverse. Chapter 1's secret boss keeps you in red soul mode, which stands in for Frisk. Chapter 2's soul mode is yellow, corresponding to the last armor/weapon pair you find (not counting the knife and locket, which belonged to Chara) and the last soul interacted with in the Photoshop Flowey boss fight.
Going by that pattern, we can guess that the secret bosses will use the soul modes in this order:
Chapter 3 - Green
Chapter 4 - Purple
Chapter 5 - Blue
Chapter 6 - Orange
Chapter 7 - Cyan
(Sidenote - I know a lot of people would have purple and green reversed on this list, since you fight Muffet after Undyne, but I'm basing this list off the order that you acquire each soul's associated items and the order in which you interact with the souls in Photoshop Flowey's fight.)
There's a lot of interesting theories you can make regarding the pre-existing soul colors, but I'm more interested in the ones we haven't seen yet. What's orange mode going to be like? Is this maybe when we'll fight Seam, whose palette prominently features orange? Or will it have something to do with Gaster, since 6 is an arc number for him?
And cyan mode is ESPECIALLY interesting - I know certain people have theorized (notably Jaru, though he brings the idea up only to dismiss it) that Kris might be a different incarnation of the fallen human with the cyan soul, since Kris's skin is cyan in the dark world and both share an affinity for knives. Is this, perhaps, when Kris and the player finally come into direct conflict? Much to think about...
p.s. Thank you for actually using the correct pronouns for Seam!
FINALLY, someone that acknowledges the fact that the Rudin drops the name you selected much earlier! I thought it was such a weird detail but I never see anyone talking about it
This whole video is just my head when I’m laying in bed at 3AM with insomnia and unable to sleep due to chronic pain. The Rules Kaard being a Gaster self-insert with a wig is hilarious and horrifying because putting a stupid wig on Gaster would be what Toby would do lmaoooo
On gaster using a different font in the intro survey, it could possible be because his name references two fonts. His full name is W.D Gaster, obviously, but while the W.D means wing dings, the gaster section could possibly mean aster, hence him using two seperate fonts. Idk how well this idea holds up it's just a thought I've had for a while
Glad this video that perfectly encompasses my mental state randomly showed up in my recommendations. We share Deltarune brainrot together, my friend.
Ralsei is totally Kris's old fursona
Deltarune is always on my mind. I can't wait for the next 3 chapters, they're gonna be so good when they come out. I also like the idea of us fighting the knight in chapter 5, it'll be interesting to see if that happens.
Why can some character hear and even take over the narrator.
Like spamton NEO (check) "Spamton NEO, YOU WONT FIND HIGHER ATTACK AND DEFENCE ANYWHERE ELSE, THE SMOOTH TASTE OF NEO WAKE UP AND TASTE THE PAIN."
But if you check again "Spamton NEO, he is his own worst invention."
And Jevils dialogue is odd as well (check) "Jevil, there is no strategy to defeat this enemy, good luck."
Doesn't seem like the narrator talking, honestly could be Jevil.
Either way Snowgrave actively confirms Spamton can hear the narrator "(It was as if your very soul was glowing...) NOT!!!"
He actively interrupts the narration and responds to it.
Interesting...
maybe Spamton saying "NOT!!" wasnt a response to the narrator, but instead a response to Kris about to seal the fountain?
@@TheFlyfly
Ehhhh.
It feels very odd (even for Spamton) surely "stop" or "no" or many others would have been better options if he was just saying it in response to the sealing of the fountain.
Plus he still directly takes over the narrator several other times, so it's likely he is just directly responding to them here.
Rouxls does the same thing if you try to build a house on him during his fight in chapter 2.
great video and humor!
I'm actually going to be making a mega theory analysis thing of Deltarune's dark worlds in the style of halfbreadchaos's videos, and I honestly think you'll like it because it goes over a lot of things you probably haven't seen elsewhere
16:20 "Explain yourself, you mute lunatic"
Are they a dangerous mute lunatic? Or just a mute lunatic?
Portal reference, nice
What I really wanna know is, where are all the other humans in Deltarune? How did Kris end up in a town with only monsters? Maybe this is a universe in which the monsters defeated the humans. That would explain why Kris is acting so strangely, they feel out of place and would rather be a monster but they can't choose!
okay can people like everyone keep spewing out every thought about games and stuff into videos please lol just keep the ideas flowing and hype and games alive
4:32 Kris does revere & miss Asriel, though, no? I'm not saying I support the idea that Kris did whatever, but they may have other reasons for not like taking Asriel's money.
12:08 Is he referred to as a "Dark-World being" specifically any other times?
Neat analysis video! Looking forward to what else you publish on this topic! Thanks for uploading!
as far as i can tell, so far father alvin is unironically shaping up to be a candidate for the knight bc of his weird mysterious lines in the graveyard
Maybe Toby gave up on the blue and orange soul mechanics because there was a thread that he was wondering if these colors would be useful for colorblind people.
DID YOU [lost control of your life] THEN YOU JUST HAVE TO GRAB IT BY THE [silly strings]
Great video :D
yknow what i can't stop thinking about? how rouxls kaard baits you and your team into a trap with a fake saving point. what the hell is up with that lmao
Wild speculation time
What if kris does not like being humen? Like they live a in town only with monsters and the is the only humen, then tories say they used were goat horns as Kid (even though that probely was supposed just a child being a child) but my damming evidence even though it is a bid weak, kris is supposed to be the counterpart to chara which chara hated humens. Maybe that is why he rips they're HUMEN soul in multiple occasions.
9 seconds in (no seriously) and this speaks to me on an ascended level
on the original starwalker part, I read "The original" out loud, and then paused and it was filled in right when i was about to say it by you saying "starwalker"
It’s burger pants. He wanted to go to hell but he’s all out of vacation days. Nothing to do but bring hell here.
The secret bossses are basically crooked version of some random guys
omgggg i love your voiceee
I love this
It's just like matpat throwing shit at us, but more casually
And seam is mysterious cause he is the only one who knows shadow crystals and if you don't defeat jevil and play chapter 2 seam still seems to know you had defeated jevil and you can find the first shadow crystal in a cave
Me, who knows that deltarune is an alternate universe of undertale, not an alternate timeline or alternate reality
omg i only watched the first 9 seconds of the video and it was the most relatable thing i have heared in a video today
I had a dream about Deltarune and I got back into it, I’ve been playing the game again and watching videos too
0:00 - 0:15 Mood-Kindred.
Ah, the bad boy run
Questions I Have About Ralsei:
- Why does he live in such a dark and unsettling darkworld?
- Why is it largely abandoned and he has no subjects?
- What proof is there that he is actually a prince?
- What does he keep telling people offscreen?
You completely forgot about the tutorial puzzle pieces.
So, you’re trying to grab life by the silly strings?
Wait silly strings…
What if Spamton deems his existence ridiculous so by extent his strings are to him silly…
Also marionettes are used to tell stories to children which are often silly, so, a puppet’s strings are silly.
The only items ralsei physically could be are the bandage or possibly Kris knife.
Both have flaws however and the knife doesn't even fit, on top of that Ralsei would have had no time to make the rooms unless time works differently in the dark world.
the chara narrator theory has so much proof and the game is so in your face about it that it's gotta be cannon not even a theory at this point deltarune on the other hand we don't know enough to call who are what it's probably Toby let's be honest
Theory susie will turn into susiezilla dont @ me when it become true🤚😒
With the next chapter probably being entertainment theme, yeah, I could see Susie wearing a Godzilla costume as a reference.
I’m not finished the video so you might’ve mentioned this but, what happens when a dark fountain is opened outside of the monster town? Like somewhere beyond the gates??
HAHAHAHA the intro ;)
very relatable
This guy's voice reminds me of the second Ralphie from Magic School Bus.
I think rouxls is more important than it seems, I think he is spoiling the theme of every chapter sequel, hear me out:
In chapter 1 he is a puzzlemaker who speaks in Shakespearean English, and Shakespeare lived in the past right? The theme for chapter 2 is internet, the new technologies, and there rouxls is a pirate, so whatever the opposite of a pirate is, will be the theme of chapter 3
I watch this video before playing deltarune and I really liked it
13:10 royal scientist thing i guess
I never thought about the fact that Gaster has canonically used Twitter lmao
0:01 glad I’m not the only one hahaha
HOW DARE THY UNDERMINE ROUXLS KAARD OF THE CARD CASTLE?
my theory for chapter three is that Toby will pull a fast one on us and rather than the TV being the big bad he might just be a secret boss and we might have to fight the phone or something
video ends on guster. why is the video so short
*starwalker*
I think the knight is DESS. fight me!
Somebody's probably mentioned this already, but I wonder if Kris' original soul is yellow.
my crack theory is the "prince from the dark" from the prophecy is actually lancer and not ralsei
I am curious why is everyman roughly the same in Deltarune and Undertale.
Ah yes, high-quality brain barf
I would watch another video like this if you have anything else to say
if i had a better microphone this is what I would be posting /pos
Rouxls confuses me. On one side hes nothing but an idiot. On the other however, just look at all the things he can do. Teleport,telephaticaly speak to you,float, go through walls. It might sound pretty funny but i really do think he will become a secret boss later on or have a serious role.
What about pokemon emerald?
Cool
DARK SOUL RX
What if Nubert was the knight
i just realised, maybe deltarune is a game WITHIN a game?
Nah bro roulx is just funny thats why toby kept em most likely xd
16:37 "see you in 2025, when chapter 7 is released"
hehehe! more like 2030!!
TBH I get more DR content from tumblrr and determinators is really good at character analysis.
I feel like Ralsei will betray us. He will not betray Kris, Susie, Lancer, or any other character. He will betray us, the player.
Keep making gaming vids,but make a second channel where u do art like the vid where u drawer Kirby(this is just an idea u do not have to do it although I suggest it)
DELTARUNE's symbol is completely UNRELATED to the one in UNDERTALE? HMMMMMMMMM
UNRELATED is an anagram of both UNDERTALE and DELTARUNE and both games feature a human child adopted by monsters
BERDLY IS THE KNIGHT!!!111!!!!1!11!1111111! OMG GUYS CHAPTER 7 PREDICTED OMG GUYS GAMER FUEL
okay but what if our vessel (the very one we created) is the knight?
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Hi
I know pretty much nothing about Undertale/deltarune & I have no idea why I'm watching this but none of this makes ANY sense
You should play it/watch an lp
The first 2 chapters of Deltarune are completely free, you should definitely try it out.
Starwalker
Having one of your first things learned about the game be Gaster speculation and theorizing is quite something. If you do ever play or watch either of the games, you'll probably understand why.
@@petruciosxd1374 well I already new a few things about Undertale such as sans exists, there's a flower, & it was very inspired by earthbound. I've never cared enough to interact with anything Undertale because it's just something that seems not like my kinda thing, even though I might like similar things. Maybe someday if a wizard tells me to play Undertale to break a curse or prevent a terribly prophecy or whatever I will.