+FootballVish Rubbish. You can support any team you want but still admire Manchester United because they played great football. Being an ABU because you support Pool is for 5 year olds.
keenodribbles If u touch the ball first, even u break his leg or rib later, u still make no foul. But if u hit him before u touch the ball, u will get red card. Learn the rule bro
"If u touch the ball first, even u break his leg or rib later, u still make no foul. But if u hit him before u touch the ball, u will get red card. Learn the rule bro" Actually what you've said is one of the biggest myths in the whole sport. If you make a reckless challenge it's a foul whether you touch the ball or not. It's written clear as day in the Laws of the Game, yet you still get people coming out with this constantly as if they know better.
I love how nobody points out the fact that Nani had another option....get his body between the ball and Arbeloa. This would not constitute dangerous play and would give him time to control the ball, using his body, then either find a teammate or beat Arbeloa with skill. It is also be more likely that Arbeloa could foul Nani and win Utd a free-kick. Not a smart decision by Nani and by the letter of the law, a deserved red card. Intentional or not.
Roy Keane just has a chip on his shoulder with United, that's why he's so passionate about this. If one of his Irish boys got sent off for this in the Euros I doubt he'd have this view. Having said that, I like him. He's honest and up front, unlike most pundits these days.
seeing as his the coach now with MON he'd never say that against one of his players publicly If he was pundit on itv, Irish tv, he'd say the very same. In fact he was scathing about the Irish team as a pundit in Euro 2012. Even as a player in the Irish team he held nothing back. Legend
At least it makes a change he is not afraid to bad mouth United players, when the other pundits are afraid, I agree I like him, just like Paul Scholes he is no nonsense and just says it how he sees it.
EverGreen1888 Maybe legend as a player, but he failed as a Manager and is illiterate and thick as a pundit. It's clear playing the villain on the Tele is the only thing he can find to do with himself. He's tiresome.
DavidRM18 I was just going to say the same thing he has a SERIOUS CHIP on his shoulder regarding UTD 😞 I loved Keane as a player but i can't stand him as a pundit, it's not just what he says but it's the way he says it! So much animosity 😠 He went right down in my book when he signed for Celtic. I can't remember if Nani got a straight red or 2 yellows 😳 I'm sure he got a 2nd yellow for that challenge but imo he should never have been sent off, the ref should have let it go wi a warning as it was such an important game and it cost us the tie 😠😠 The same ref at this years World Cup let a challenge worse than Nani's go 😬 I'm not sure which game it was but the guy nearly took the other players head off FFS! Keane is a Bully! Simple as! It seems EVERY pundit is scared of him and won't argue back, Bully is maybe a bit strong but he certainly takes no prisoners and it's not nice to see/hear him shit talking about players,managers,teams and ex players too, his delivery is awful 😞 GGMU 😈 ✌👍From Scotland 🙋
Dangerous play my arse. He had every right to try and control that ball, his eyes were only on the ball. Shite decision. Complete fairies on the pitch these days. Wouldn't even be a booking 20 years ago
It's literally just because it's Real Madrid. As you said, this wouldn't even be a booking in a standard PL game. People accuse Barca of cheating in the CL but this incident is also very often overlooked. United were strong that year and if they went through it would've been interesting to see what would happen. Glad the Spaniards got knocked out later.
charliehustlenflow it's not dangerous play you idiot . Otherwise players should get sent off for overhead kicks and overhead clearances the balls even higher then at head level . It's bullshit and you know it.
Man utd hurt Keane deeply. I'm glad he seems to be over it in 2020 but u could tell back then he was like someone who had been dumped and was bitter. Great man, great player but definitely hurt by Ferguson and utd.
@@MatchesMalone1183 it's clearly a biased opinion. Every comment is on the side of the red card. He barely says anything to counter argue the decision even though its clearly a debatable red card.
@@williamking1905is it? The others keep trying to say it’s harsh because he doesn’t know the player is there which seems to be the only reason they have to give as to why it isn’t a red card and Keane counters that with facts by saying it’s completely irrelevant which it is, the rules don’t say deliberately endangering an opponent
I like that point. Referees are meant to make the right decision, it doesn't matter if it's brave or not, if it's the right decision then it's the right decision!
Is this the same Roy Keane that tried to find out what would happen to Gareth Southgate's spleen if he stamped on it with football boots on during a Utd vs Palace match in the 90s?
I think Roy was pissed off about Nani and what ultimately happened to United in the tie because of it, and his emotions got the better of him. I don't think he "really" believes Nani deserved red, Gareth and Lee both got it right because they had no emotional investment to Manchester United so they thought about it rationally.
Remember when De Jong did the exact same thing in the World Cup final on Alonso ? he got a yellow and everyone said Howard Webb made the wrong decision and bottled it. But when Nani did the exact same thing - no no he was watching the "ball" and it was unintentional. Doesn't matter about intent. Red card.
+Lewis C Remember when Kompany went in 2-footed on Nani in the FAcup 2012 and got a red card for it and loads of people said it was harsh? yet they were the same people who agreed with both of Nani's debatable red cards in his ManUtd career (the first being identical to the Kompany tackle on himself 2 years earlier in 2009/10 away to Villa and the 2nd obviously being this incident vs R.Madrid).
I actually think De Jong was a yellow because it was totally unintentional, but there is the smallest bit of intent from Nani which is all you need for it to be a red card.
As a Madrid fan, I watch that game live and I think it should be YELLOW CARD. Straight red card is too harsh since Nani rarely makes tackle/foul before. I was shocked (..and also happy, of course) when the ref got him a red card. But to be honest, I think he only deserved a yellow card.
michael richard in football, there's a "warning rules" (well, not exactly an oficial rule..it's more of a consensus) in order to give a fair judgement. And by the way, your logic is irrelevant.
He is still a prick. As a regular visitor to that part of Cork I am always relieved to find the vast majority of people there are not like Roy Keane at all.
How many times have we seen 6 foot plus goalkeepers lunging forward clobbering all in their path to get to the ball, often times taking out their own defenders or injuring themselves (such as last week when Iran goalkeeper Alireza Beiranvand clashed with team mate Majid Hosseini during the England world gup game). Both players were watching the ball, focused on the ball and nothing else. Should both of them have been red carded for dangerous play?
Yurt Hunter still a pundit. And Southgate is England manager who’s managed to get them to semi. And likely the final (1-0 as of writing). Roy got angry just by others having a different opinion
Callum Bloore They're going home They're going home England's going home. I do beleive Roy has won as much internationally as Gareth Southgate. Meanwhile, at a club level he's won much more. Roy is truly the better man.
Keane thought his red card was harsh when he elbowed JasonMcAteer in the temple (you can clearly see him shaking his head a lot after receiving that red card in the 2002/03 season at Sunderland)....but this accidental incident is a certain red in his eyes???? lol clearly still bitter about the way it ended for himself at ManUtd. I remember ManUtd haters wanking to these comments made by Keane about this game changing decision thinking that if an ex-ManUtd player says it's a red card then that means it obviously must have been correct but they failed to take into consideration the points I just mentioned. People always try to justify whenever teams get favored with some poor decisions against ManUtd and they also always want to make excuses/claim they were cheated if ManUtd wins, even if ManUtd are the team who actually had more bad decisions than good but they still found a way to get the result... and let's be honest ManUtd would've won well more than double the amount of silverware they have won since the early 90's had the officials been 5% as "biased" as people try to claim they are towards ManUtd but I'm well aware people just say that to deflect the embarrassment of their own team's failures. Think about the amount of trophies ManUtd have won at a canter/more convincingly than any other team in England and also the amount of trophies ManUtd have been inches away from winning despite a lot against them....but still, I guess things like having 9-13 more PL title's than any team including the other so called "big teams" is unsurprisingly going to resort bitter people to make up excuses just to hide some of their humiliation isn't it.
Keane is being an arse. He had a bee in his bonnet about Ferguson for years. i t was a yellow. The word intent is everything. There was no intent he was looking at the ball. players bring the ball down from that height every week no one bats and eye. if Keane was right every overhead kick would be a red card offense for being dangerous play.
swing your arms around on a football pitch when no one is around then you dont get booked. swing your arms around when there is a player near you then you will get punished, regardless if you knew they were there or not. As keane said, you have to expect there will be other footballers on a football pitch. Just because he cant see him, it doesn mean you can run around with your studs in the air
This guy is a hypocrite..he says he loves man utd but he doesnt...this wasnt a red card..and he knows it...nani was just trying to control the ball with his head facing the ball and away frm the other player...arbeola was facing directly to nani so he saw nani lifting his foot up but he continued to run into the tackle...he could have waited for the ball to touch the ground and then to tackle nani...but he was a t*at....and so was roy keane whose career was a 'flawless' one...
"nani was just trying to control the ball"...."Arbeloa was facing directly to Nani... but he continued to run into the tackle"... so which was it? An attempted control, or a tackle? This comment demonstrates clearly you know almost nothing about football. The second comment is especially bewildering! You've somehow managed to lay the blame at Arbeloa's feet for failing to avoid a dangerous chest-high, studs up flying Portuguese winger! Priceless
Well my friend..of course arbeola is to be blamed...it was a dangerous tackle but nani doesnt deserve a red card..n plz dnt tell me that arbeola wasnt overreacting on that day..arbeola runs a couple a yards still knowing that nani has his boots up in the air...
Three things. 1. Arbeloa's reaction has got absolutely nothing to do with the decision of the referee or with the incident itself. The challenge by Nani is either serious foul play/ endangering the safety of an opponent or it isn't. 2. Stating "it was a dangerous tackle but Nani doesn't deserver a red card" is in fact contradicting yourself because a "dangerous tackle", which is what you called it yourself, and what it plainly was, is a red card offence. 3. Arbeloa runs up to chest the ball and bring the ball forward for his team, and it is NANI who has gone in high and dangerously (admittedly to bring the ball down himself), and ended up studding the RM player in the chest. It was Nani who was late to the ball. No grey area here. Clear red card. Saying that it was Arbeloa's fault for still running into the challenge is just about the most stupid comment I've ever come across on a CZcams video.
So by Keanes logic you should just NEVER raise your feet in a game of football because your sharing the pitch with others players? Never try and control the ball and pluck it out of the air like Nani was attempting here... Never raise your foot up and try and connect with a beautiful volley because somebody might be there?
That's obviously not what he's saying. It's really simple. If you are raising your leg, with studs showing - whether it's to bring a ball down, attempt an overhead kick, poke the ball away, whatever - it's the player's responsibility to ensure that its not endangering the safety of an opponent. It's like if you went for an overhead kick, but a defender gets his head to the ball first, and you end up kicking him in the face knocking him unconscious - then that's clearly dangerous play. It's mistiming your attempt to play the ball. No different to mistiming a tackle. When the opponent nicks the ball away, and you catch them on the shin then it's a foul. Same logic here.
Vincent Law" It's like if you went for an overhead kick, but a defender gets his head to the ball first, and you end up kicking him in the face knocking him unconscious - then that's clearly dangerous play" Right, so you ignore all natural instincts to attempt the overhead kick and instead look around you first and try and work out how dangerous the situation is? AND, more importantly, let me ask you this, going by your logic... If you knock a defender unconscious and its dangerous play... Is it NOT dangerous play if you performed the exact same motion in attempting the overhead but without hitting anyone? See?.. If a defender does not make an attempt to challenge you.. but you perform the exact same motion then its down to the defenders actions on whether or not the situation is dangerous, no? I understand exactly what Keane meant... Ive watched football for 30 years and iam United fan but Keane is wrong and you have added nothing to my thought process. Maybe what ive tried to explain here, will help yours. Its a grey area where collisions and accidents will occur and its down to the ref and mistakes can be made... but nobody is more wrong in this situation than Keane. He has seen whats happened, he's played the game at the top level as one of its best players, he has had time to process all the facts and what he's seen and when you take in to account all that... His thoughts on the situation just baffle me. Pretty weird to be honest.
Vincent Law You ever heard of a blind spot? That's what caught Nani out here really but if you agree with Keane's logic, you have wasted both my time and your own replying to me because we are worlds apart on this buddy.
Sanazabaaar If an attacker made the exact same motion with no opponent nearby and doesn't catch anyone with his studs, then no, it's not dangerous play because there's no case of "endangering the safety of an opponent". Think about what you are saying. You ask whether a player is supposed to stop and assess whether its dangerous prior attempting to an overhead kick. Are you serious? Of course they should. Is it the defender's responsibility to not head the ball away first as they are going to get clobbered in the face with a boot? No. Was it Arbeloa's responsibility to let Nani bring that ball down despite the fact Arbeloa knew he could get there first and did? No. It's Nani's misjudgement and lack of awareness of an opponent PLAYING THE BALL before him that led to his studs going into Arbeloa's ribcage. How are you not seeing that? Was it malicious? No. Was it intentional? No. Was it dangerous? Fuck yes.
Sanazabaaar Your's is the weakest kind of arguments because you're just taking Keane's interpretation of Nani needing to be aware of opponents around him and stretching it to suggest Keane's logic is saying "never raise your feet as there are other players on the pitch". He's talking abt this one incident.
@@mzwandilemahlaba5029 if that is a red card then nearly every overhead kick is as well. The difference between this and an overhead kick in the penalty box is that nani may or may not have been aware of the player (never looks in his direction) whereas an overhead kick in the box knows for certain there are players nearby who are likely to be trying to head the ball. The overhead kick in the box is far more likely to connect, the average one will have more force and the player is well aware that there are players nearby to connect with. Given how often this happens (high foot) and how often it is punished with a card (only ever when it connects - and that is usually a yellow), if this is a red card then they have been getting it wrong for the entire history of football before and since. That consistency shows that a) the ref got it wrong or b) this is the overwhelming minority of times that the ref got it right by showing a red.
@Black Coffee Now lmfao... I was a football coach. I also did the fa refereeing course. I also worked as a steward at anfield (and goodison, but that's besides the point). When the nani red card happened, it was not a red card offense. Never had been. Recently, and i do mean recently, that changed, so nowadays that is a red card. I bet you don't live anywhere near liverpool, or even the north west, cos we would not be having this conversation right now if you did. Everybody knows why a fan of a rival team will point out said rivalry when defending/applauding an opposition player. You're a plastic.
@Black Coffee Now lmao, you think its impossible to be a steward and a football coach or something? 🤣 The fa level 1 costs about £150 (may have gone up since), the refereeing course costs £75 and they recruit new stewards every few months. Plastic gets used all the time around here, but not being from anywhere near liverpool you would deny that. "End of story", like you have any authority 🤣 Go watch football from the 70's, 80's, 90's and even early 2000's and you will see that the rules have changed. Foreign concept to you, but educating yourself prevents you looking like an idiot cos you may actually know a bit about what you are talking about.
Classic example of FIFA wanting advantage to go to strikers and to eliminate any form of tackling in the modern game. They want entertaining 5-5 games where they can sell the rights to it for extortionate amounts with sponsorship tagged on as well. Its harder to sell a fiercely fought game that ends 1-0 than an end-to-end goals galore 'classic' If Nani doesnt go for that ball, Fergie would have been giving him a bollocking for shying away from the tackle. For me, its another example of how the sport is being pushed towards favouring strikers and eradicating tackling.
the ball was there to be won nani had his eyes on the ball at all time and couldn't pull out , his leg was in the air well before the other player come in and if it was that dangerous why would he go in on nani it was a yellow card at best keane is jealous he cant play anymore and united were odds on to win the title if had gone through and would have made his era look not as good as it was
If the actions of a player, no matter how honest in there intent, put other players at risk of injury then that player should be taken off. It seems pretty black and white to me. Nani put another player at risk of injury even if he hadn't meant it, that's not how the game is inteded to be played.
I disagree they wouldn't have won the CL that year if they got past Real. Real played poorly that season Bayern and Dortmund were in better form and would of put Man U out
yes you are totally correct, this CL win would have overshadowed uniteds incredible treble. A season in which roy keane's influence on the pitch managed to drag united single-handedly at times where they looked to be gone. that legendary moment would have TOTALLY overshadowed that moment.
Same as when Sane went in with a high foot on Edison in the Man City v Liverpool game. He didn't mean it but there was still contact and it was a red card. I don't like Roy Keane but it says it as it is and he's spot on here.
This was, and still is, a blatant case of UEFA's match fixing tactics. They wanted Real Madrid to qualify , and they made sure that they did. (South american T.V. rights !!!). I'm quite sure that Mourinho knew what was going on, and he even looked embarassed by the situation. Manchester United were by far the better team over the 2 legs.
like uefa was trying to fuck inter in 2010 or how they screwed chelsea in 09 or sending pepe off without touching alves in 2011 uefalona always got there way
Roy keane.....the ambassador of safety, fair play and courtesy on a football pitch
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Southgate pressing the security button under the desk lol
Lol
Southgate's was probably having flashback about keanes attempt to castrate him at palace in the fa cup czcams.com/video/NKQr9h5MB0w/video.html
cousin leigh Lol
This comment made my day
Hahaha hilarious!
“Does he not think there’d be other footballers on the pitch?” 😂
And all those players will be throwing their bodies at the ball?
@@lukegale7812 yes
Roy Keane talking about dangerous play?
Zeck The Lad 😂😂😂😂
Haha
Nice comment
Zeck The Lad exactly what I was thinking
Yeh ask Alf Haaland what he thinks about Keane, go on Keano lad.
“Does he not think there’s other footballers on the pitch?” 😂😂 Roy kills me
lol
Lol Roy kean chatting about playing 'safely' 😂😂
+Froggy Noddy he obviously knows what dangerous play is im sure you are aware of that
Guy has changed 😂😂😂
*Keane
David McIntyre he wasn't speaking about playing safely. He was speaking about dangerous play you fucking tool. He's a pundit ffs.
@Froggy Noddy it doesnt matter it was dangerous play
"does he think he's gonna have 20 yards to himself" just the comedy coffee ☕ I needed this morning 😂
If Roy were in Nani’s position he would’ve caught Arbeloa with two feet, not one.
I`m a liverpool fan but i always loved keane,scary bastard
Your not a Liverpool fan if you like any United player
FootballVish Not true.Man utd fans respoect gerrard just as much as i respect keane
+RainbowColored Infinity the fuck messi boy fan madrid fans applauded ronaldinho,iniesta,del piero and totti. messi is just a tax fraud and quitter.
+FootballVish Rubbish. You can support any team you want but still admire Manchester United because they played great football. Being an ABU because you support Pool is for 5 year olds.
+RainbowColored Infinity I'd
Roy Keane plays both sides of the fence like on-one.
Roy Keane stating "you have to be aware of other players on the pitch!" and defending the refs decision cracked me up. Roy of all people 🤣
Southgate looking up to avoid Keano has to be the greatest moment of this interview
Every over-head bicycle goal ever scored should be disallowed for high-boot. Just going by Keane's logic, don't mind me. Red card too.
keenodribbles If u touch the ball first, even u break his leg or rib later, u still make no foul. But if u hit him before u touch the ball, u will get red card. Learn the rule bro
"If u touch the ball first, even u break his leg or rib later, u still make no foul. But if u hit him before u touch the ball, u will get red card. Learn the rule bro"
Actually what you've said is one of the biggest myths in the whole sport. If you make a reckless challenge it's a foul whether you touch the ball or not. It's written clear as day in the Laws of the Game, yet you still get people coming out with this constantly as if they know better.
I love how nobody points out the fact that Nani had another option....get his body between the ball and Arbeloa. This would not constitute dangerous play and would give him time to control the ball, using his body, then either find a teammate or beat Arbeloa with skill. It is also be more likely that Arbeloa could foul Nani and win Utd a free-kick. Not a smart decision by Nani and by the letter of the law, a deserved red card. Intentional or not.
what a ridiculous comment, and over a hundred fools liked it. shocking.
excellent point.
Roy Keane just has a chip on his shoulder with United, that's why he's so passionate about this. If one of his Irish boys got sent off for this in the Euros I doubt he'd have this view.
Having said that, I like him. He's honest and up front, unlike most pundits these days.
seeing as his the coach now with MON he'd never say that against one of his players publicly
If he was pundit on itv, Irish tv, he'd say the very same. In fact he was scathing about the Irish team as a pundit in Euro 2012. Even as a player in the Irish team he held nothing back. Legend
At least it makes a change he is not afraid to bad mouth United players, when the other pundits are afraid, I agree I like him, just like Paul Scholes he is no nonsense and just says it how he sees it.
100% correct, I'm not a football fan but it's clear Keane as animosity towards united.
EverGreen1888
Maybe legend as a player, but he failed as a Manager and is illiterate and thick as a pundit. It's clear playing the villain on the Tele is the only thing he can find to do with himself. He's tiresome.
DavidRM18 I was just going to say the same thing he has a SERIOUS CHIP on his shoulder regarding UTD 😞 I loved Keane as a player but i can't stand him as a pundit, it's not just what he says but it's the way he says it! So much animosity 😠 He went right down in my book when he signed for Celtic. I can't remember if Nani got a straight red or 2 yellows 😳 I'm sure he got a 2nd yellow for that challenge but imo he should never have been sent off, the ref should have let it go wi a warning as it was such an important game and it cost us the tie 😠😠
The same ref at this years World Cup let a challenge worse than Nani's go 😬 I'm not sure which game it was but the guy nearly took the other players head off FFS!
Keane is a Bully! Simple as! It seems EVERY pundit is scared of him and won't argue back, Bully is maybe a bit strong but he certainly takes no prisoners and it's not nice to see/hear him shit talking about players,managers,teams and ex players too, his delivery is awful 😞
GGMU 😈
✌👍From Scotland 🙋
Since when Roy started to care about the opposition’s health & safety ! He used to start kicking players in the tunnel before the kick off !
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Stamped on Southgate 😂😂
Rules for thee and not for me🤣🤣
4 guys on the panel i remember before covid crazy times
I dont see why he has to get so angry over a common debate, almost snapping at the others for having a different opinion
David Woods first
Kunji05 Ikr
You have to understand how officiating is different in domestic leagues and European tournaments and how people may view it.
Just having a forthwrite opinion..no much wrong with that.As for Dixon and Southgate..they are grown ups..they know Roy is passionate and opinionated
_"That's his job!"_
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Roy keane is too much. "Nani is a quick boy to fall down too, so he isn't the bravest player either,"
True. Keane just says it how it is and doesn't care who he upsets.
@@AntonioAio Same. He's just a sad gay man.
Dangerous play my arse. He had every right to try and control that ball, his eyes were only on the ball. Shite decision. Complete fairies on the pitch these days. Wouldn't even be a booking 20 years ago
lol still butthurt. open and shut case, its dangerous play. theres no rewards in sport for being clumsy or having poor awareness.
charliehustlenflow
Butthurt? I don't even support United. Stop making assumptions
It's literally just because it's Real Madrid. As you said, this wouldn't even be a booking in a standard PL game. People accuse Barca of cheating in the CL but this incident is also very often overlooked. United were strong that year and if they went through it would've been interesting to see what would happen. Glad the Spaniards got knocked out later.
charliehustlenflow it's not dangerous play you idiot . Otherwise players should get sent off for overhead kicks and overhead clearances the balls even higher then at head level . It's bullshit and you know it.
Agreed players are allowed to do overhead kicks and clearances . It's a joke red card.
"Does he not know there´s other players on the pitch ???" xD
I am on With Southgate in this. abs no red card. fuck
20 yards to himself.... Keano 😅😅
Roy's always angry, knows what he's talkin about though !
Disaster as a manager and a poor number 2
@@mb-lx7zm He got a promotion to premier league with Sunderland. Disaster managers can't accomplish such things.
I'm an MU fan but hearing Keano call something dangerous play and sounding like a nun is pretty hilarious.
Roy Keane... The winner of the fair play award never!! 😂
Man utd hurt Keane deeply. I'm glad he seems to be over it in 2020 but u could tell back then he was like someone who had been dumped and was bitter. Great man, great player but definitely hurt by Ferguson and utd.
Regardless of how bitter or not he was at the time, there's nothing he said in that clip that's untrue.
@@MatchesMalone1183 it's clearly a biased opinion. Every comment is on the side of the red card. He barely says anything to counter argue the decision even though its clearly a debatable red card.
@@williamking1905is it? The others keep trying to say it’s harsh because he doesn’t know the player is there which seems to be the only reason they have to give as to why it isn’t a red card and Keane counters that with facts by saying it’s completely irrelevant which it is, the rules don’t say deliberately endangering an opponent
Eugh God forgot that Adrian Chiles was once ITV's chief football presenter
Fucking love Roy keane
I like that point. Referees are meant to make the right decision, it doesn't matter if it's brave or not, if it's the right decision then it's the right decision!
I've seen quite a few of these Roy keane only has bad words for man utd he needs to get over his grudges and stop embarrassing man utd
Absolute legend...
Hats of to Southgate. Whose the better manager Roy 🤔
Is this the same Roy Keane that tried to find out what would happen to Gareth Southgate's spleen if he stamped on it with football boots on during a Utd vs Palace match in the 90s?
"...and he follows through."
"...impossible for him to pull out."
That's what she said.
This is so much better compare to now
“It’s red carrrd” lol
Roy Keane isn't exactly known for making safe, controlled tackles. One of the last people you would expect to think that it's a clear red.
I think Roy was pissed off about Nani and what ultimately happened to United in the tie because of it, and his emotions got the better of him. I don't think he "really" believes Nani deserved red, Gareth and Lee both got it right because they had no emotional investment to Manchester United so they thought about it rationally.
Watching this remembering Roy doing this about 2/3 times a game deliberately back in the day...
The irony 😂 Roy Keane telling players to play safely and be aware of other players on the pitch...
Remember when De Jong did the exact same thing in the World Cup final on Alonso ? he got a yellow and everyone said Howard Webb made the wrong decision and bottled it. But when Nani did the exact same thing - no no he was watching the "ball" and it was unintentional. Doesn't matter about intent. Red card.
+Lewis C Those two plays are completely different. De Jong go Alonso straight in his chest. Nani essentially grazed Arbeloa.
+Lewis C
Remember when Kompany went in 2-footed on Nani in the FAcup 2012 and got a red card for it and loads of people said it was harsh? yet they were the same people who agreed with both of Nani's debatable red cards in his ManUtd career (the first being identical to the Kompany tackle on himself 2 years earlier in 2009/10 away to Villa and the 2nd obviously being this incident vs R.Madrid).
I actually think De Jong was a yellow because it was totally unintentional, but there is the smallest bit of intent from Nani which is all you need for it to be a red card.
@@r4h4al de jong fucking karate kicked him in the chest while nani just grazed the player, totally different scenarios
As a Madrid fan, I watch that game live and I think it should be YELLOW CARD. Straight red card is too harsh since Nani rarely makes tackle/foul before. I was shocked (..and also happy, of course) when the ref got him a red card. But to be honest, I think he only deserved a yellow card.
It is irrelevant if he made fouls before by that logic a criminal can't be arrested if it's their first crime.
michael richard in football, there's a "warning rules" (well, not exactly an oficial rule..it's more of a consensus) in order to give a fair judgement. And by the way, your logic is irrelevant.
Love Roy's comment on Nani in the end, so fucking funny.
Roy Keane the type of guy too smile in the morning to go and get it over with
How he’s stayed that bitter towards man united that long I’ll never understand get over it Roy
Wtf are you talking about
as a united man and a cork man , i have and always will love roy keane
He is still a prick. As a regular visitor to that part of Cork I am always relieved to find the vast majority of people there are not like Roy Keane at all.
Shane Hickey i understand that, still think hes being a little bit bitter towards united here, nani should not of being sent off
I just can't believe the premier leagues dirtiest, most hot headed, nasty fucker can even dare to criticise someone for dangerous play.
Roy is spot on. He just says it as it is. That's why he's a brilliant pundit. Fantastic player as well and I'm a Liverpool fan.
John Clark Roy Keane...hold my beer
The thing that haunts me most is that Adrian chiles was a footy pundit presenter for a while, thank fuck that ended
whatever people say about Roy Keane - his integrity cannot be questioned!
ITS COMING HOME
Mitchell Harrison They're going home They're going home England's going home!
How many times have we seen 6 foot plus goalkeepers lunging forward clobbering all in their path to get to the ball, often times taking out their own defenders or injuring themselves (such as last week when Iran goalkeeper Alireza Beiranvand clashed with team mate Majid Hosseini during the England world gup game). Both players were watching the ball, focused on the ball and nothing else. Should both of them have been red carded for dangerous play?
Yeah well funnily enough that even happened in this game when DiegoLopez thumped Vidic and obviously didn't get any punishment.
roy is my guy hes too funny looool
Roy talking about safe play that too with Southgate, do me a favour
Southgate looked like simon from the inbetweeners
PhysX GFX Not a better player though.
End of the day, Gareth's bringing it home and Roy's still a pundit. Says it all
Yurt Hunter still a pundit. And Southgate is England manager who’s managed to get them to semi. And likely the final (1-0 as of writing). Roy got angry just by others having a different opinion
Yurt Hunter I do believe Roy was a pundit on the game tonight whilst Gareth is having songs sung about him. Result is regardless. He's a better man
Callum and Lawrence look foolish now.🤣.
Callum Bloore They're going home They're going home England's going home. I do beleive Roy has won as much internationally as Gareth Southgate. Meanwhile, at a club level he's won much more. Roy is truly the better man.
Colm Farrel you don't understand. The way that team have brought this country together over the past few weeks shows. Football has come home.
Roy Keane the legend
Okay I remember this game so well. From Madrid fan's POV, it wasn't a red. We disussed this so much next day in school. Good times!
I agree with Roy. It was high foot which = red. The intention irrelevant.
@@r4h4al then every goal scored with high foot should be red card?
Keane thought his red card was harsh when he elbowed JasonMcAteer in the temple (you can clearly see him shaking his head a lot after receiving that red card in the 2002/03 season at Sunderland)....but this accidental incident is a certain red in his eyes???? lol clearly still bitter about the way it ended for himself at ManUtd. I remember ManUtd haters wanking to these comments made by Keane about this game changing decision thinking that if an ex-ManUtd player says it's a red card then that means it obviously must have been correct but they failed to take into consideration the points I just mentioned.
People always try to justify whenever teams get favored with some poor decisions against ManUtd and they also always want to make excuses/claim they were cheated if ManUtd wins, even if ManUtd are the team who actually had more bad decisions than good but they still found a way to get the result... and let's be honest ManUtd would've won well more than double the amount of silverware they have won since the early 90's had the officials been 5% as "biased" as people try to claim they are towards ManUtd but I'm well aware people just say that to deflect the embarrassment of their own team's failures. Think about the amount of trophies ManUtd have won at a canter/more convincingly than any other team in England and also the amount of trophies ManUtd have been inches away from winning despite a lot against them....but still, I guess things like having 9-13 more PL title's than any team including the other so called "big teams" is unsurprisingly going to resort bitter people to make up excuses just to hide some of their humiliation isn't it.
dcvbhtrdf right on point my friend, fuck the senseless ABU’s love UNITED.
It’s coming home
Jakeus 25 They're going home They're going home England's going home!
Lee Dixon looks ready to break into tears by the end.
Roy Keane on dangerous play...
Keane is being an arse. He had a bee in his bonnet about Ferguson for years. i t was a yellow. The word intent is everything. There was no intent he was looking at the ball. players bring the ball down from that height every week no one bats and eye. if Keane was right every overhead kick would be a red card offense for being dangerous play.
You just said all there is to it.. debate ended
Intent is besides the point, it's either dangerous or it isnt and in this case it was...good decision ref!
Correct.
Roy Keane=sour grapes. That's not a red card. He is about to control the ball when Abby runs his hip into him. UEFA had to give Madrid a lifeline.
yellow, yes... Red? hell no.
There is a difference between an argument and a debate
peak bitterness from roy we still love you lad
swing your arms around on a football pitch when no one is around then you dont get booked. swing your arms around when there is a player near you then you will get punished, regardless if you knew they were there or not. As keane said, you have to expect there will be other footballers on a football pitch. Just because he cant see him, it doesn mean you can run around with your studs in the air
Southgate you’re the one. You still turn me on. Footballs coming home again!
Roy Keane is just ruthless
And Roy knows dangerous play .......
This guy is a hypocrite..he says he loves man utd but he doesnt...this wasnt a red card..and he knows it...nani was just trying to control the ball with his head facing the ball and away frm the other player...arbeola was facing directly to nani so he saw nani lifting his foot up but he continued to run into the tackle...he could have waited for the ball to touch the ground and then to tackle nani...but he was a t*at....and so was roy keane whose career was a 'flawless' one...
"nani was just trying to control the ball"...."Arbeloa was facing directly to Nani... but he continued to run into the tackle"... so which was it? An attempted control, or a tackle? This comment demonstrates clearly you know almost nothing about football. The second comment is especially bewildering! You've somehow managed to lay the blame at Arbeloa's feet for failing to avoid a dangerous chest-high, studs up flying Portuguese winger! Priceless
Well my friend..of course arbeola is to be blamed...it was a dangerous tackle but nani doesnt deserve a red card..n plz dnt tell me that arbeola wasnt overreacting on that day..arbeola runs a couple a yards still knowing that nani has his boots up in the air...
Three things. 1. Arbeloa's reaction has got absolutely nothing to do with the decision of the referee or with the incident itself. The challenge by Nani is either serious foul play/ endangering the safety of an opponent or it isn't.
2. Stating "it was a dangerous tackle but Nani doesn't deserver a red card" is in fact contradicting yourself because a "dangerous tackle", which is what you called it yourself, and what it plainly was, is a red card offence.
3. Arbeloa runs up to chest the ball and bring the ball forward for his team, and it is NANI who has gone in high and dangerously (admittedly to bring the ball down himself), and ended up studding the RM player in the chest. It was Nani who was late to the ball. No grey area here. Clear red card.
Saying that it was Arbeloa's fault for still running into the challenge is just about the most stupid comment I've ever come across on a CZcams video.
Kean is spot on. It doesn't matter if it's intensional. Some ex players (Dickson) don't even understand the laws of the game.
Got to love Roy keane's bitterness,it's hilarious
Keane tells the truth, there's now doubt about it, he not biased, all of his opinions are based off of truth
We won a penalty shootout!!
good man roy
Hahahahaha spot on Keano
So by Keanes logic you should just NEVER raise your feet in a game of football because your sharing the pitch with others players? Never try and control the ball and pluck it out of the air like Nani was attempting here... Never raise your foot up and try and connect with a beautiful volley because somebody might be there?
That's obviously not what he's saying. It's really simple. If you are raising your leg, with studs showing - whether it's to bring a ball down, attempt an overhead kick, poke the ball away, whatever - it's the player's responsibility to ensure that its not endangering the safety of an opponent.
It's like if you went for an overhead kick, but a defender gets his head to the ball first, and you end up kicking him in the face knocking him unconscious - then that's clearly dangerous play. It's mistiming your attempt to play the ball. No different to mistiming a tackle. When the opponent nicks the ball away, and you catch them on the shin then it's a foul. Same logic here.
Vincent Law" It's like if you went for an overhead kick, but a defender gets his head to the ball first, and you end up kicking him in the face knocking him unconscious - then that's clearly dangerous play"
Right, so you ignore all natural instincts to attempt the overhead kick and instead look around you first and try and work out how dangerous the situation is?
AND, more importantly, let me ask you this, going by your logic...
If you knock a defender unconscious and its dangerous play... Is it NOT dangerous play if you performed the exact same motion in attempting the overhead but without hitting anyone?
See?.. If a defender does not make an attempt to challenge you.. but you perform the exact same motion then its down to the defenders actions on whether or not the situation is dangerous, no?
I understand exactly what Keane meant... Ive watched football for 30 years and iam United fan but Keane is wrong and you have added nothing to my thought process.
Maybe what ive tried to explain here, will help yours.
Its a grey area where collisions and accidents will occur and its down to the ref and mistakes can be made... but nobody is more wrong in this situation than Keane. He has seen whats happened, he's played the game at the top level as one of its best players, he has had time to process all the facts and what he's seen and when you take in to account all that... His thoughts on the situation just baffle me. Pretty weird to be honest.
Vincent Law You ever heard of a blind spot? That's what caught Nani out here really but if you agree with Keane's logic, you have wasted both my time and your own replying to me because we are worlds apart on this buddy.
Sanazabaaar If an attacker made the exact same motion with no opponent nearby and doesn't catch anyone with his studs, then no, it's not dangerous play because there's no case of "endangering the safety of an opponent". Think about what you are saying.
You ask whether a player is supposed to stop and assess whether its dangerous prior attempting to an overhead kick. Are you serious? Of course they should. Is it the defender's responsibility to not head the ball away first as they are going to get clobbered in the face with a boot? No. Was it Arbeloa's responsibility to let Nani bring that ball down despite the fact Arbeloa knew he could get there first and did? No. It's Nani's misjudgement and lack of awareness of an opponent PLAYING THE BALL before him that led to his studs going into Arbeloa's ribcage. How are you not seeing that? Was it malicious? No. Was it intentional? No. Was it dangerous? Fuck yes.
Sanazabaaar Your's is the weakest kind of arguments because you're just taking Keane's interpretation of Nani needing to be aware of opponents around him and stretching it to suggest Keane's logic is saying "never raise your feet as there are other players on the pitch". He's talking abt this one incident.
Roy Keane talking about being aware of the safety of other teams players.this ages well
Love the way they're rising roy, so easy
If there was one debate that Keane should have stayed out of, it was this one!!
so does that mean when a player goes for a bicycle kick, because his feet are high is that dangerous play?
Soufgate you're the one!
Humphrey Augustus you still turn me on
it is very important to pull out
1:15 Roy Keane is Mr Spock and I claim my five pounds!
Southgate
I'm a Liverpool fan and this was NEVER a red card... didn't stop me lmao though XD
I am a Liverpool FC fan but it was a straight red card even though we may say it wasn't intentional
@@mzwandilemahlaba5029 if that is a red card then nearly every overhead kick is as well. The difference between this and an overhead kick in the penalty box is that nani may or may not have been aware of the player (never looks in his direction) whereas an overhead kick in the box knows for certain there are players nearby who are likely to be trying to head the ball.
The overhead kick in the box is far more likely to connect, the average one will have more force and the player is well aware that there are players nearby to connect with.
Given how often this happens (high foot) and how often it is punished with a card (only ever when it connects - and that is usually a yellow), if this is a red card then they have been getting it wrong for the entire history of football before and since. That consistency shows that a) the ref got it wrong or b) this is the overwhelming minority of times that the ref got it right by showing a red.
@Black Coffee Now not in "my world" no. Your not from around here are you.
@Black Coffee Now lmfao...
I was a football coach.
I also did the fa refereeing course.
I also worked as a steward at anfield (and goodison, but that's besides the point).
When the nani red card happened, it was not a red card offense. Never had been. Recently, and i do mean recently, that changed, so nowadays that is a red card.
I bet you don't live anywhere near liverpool, or even the north west, cos we would not be having this conversation right now if you did. Everybody knows why a fan of a rival team will point out said rivalry when defending/applauding an opposition player.
You're a plastic.
@Black Coffee Now lmao, you think its impossible to be a steward and a football coach or something? 🤣
The fa level 1 costs about £150 (may have gone up since), the refereeing course costs £75 and they recruit new stewards every few months.
Plastic gets used all the time around here, but not being from anywhere near liverpool you would deny that.
"End of story", like you have any authority 🤣
Go watch football from the 70's, 80's, 90's and even early 2000's and you will see that the rules have changed. Foreign concept to you, but educating yourself prevents you looking like an idiot cos you may actually know a bit about what you are talking about.
Keano on about dangerous play 🤥🤣
Roy was just entering his bitter days here
Classic example of FIFA wanting advantage to go to strikers and to eliminate any form of tackling in the modern game. They want entertaining 5-5 games where they can sell the rights to it for extortionate amounts with sponsorship tagged on as well. Its harder to sell a fiercely fought game that ends 1-0 than an end-to-end goals galore 'classic'
If Nani doesnt go for that ball, Fergie would have been giving him a bollocking for shying away from the tackle. For me, its another example of how the sport is being pushed towards favouring strikers and eradicating tackling.
Except he is a striker and the player who won the call was a defender. Still get your point, bs call
Yeah
I agree with Roy on this... IMO he was always gonna get a card if he committed to that.
At least one pundit sees some sense and is proving the correct points of why Luis Nani should have been sent off. Respect to Roy.
Oh dear, i see a world where Roy Keane argues against dangerous play 😂
Ledgend.
the ball was there to be won nani had his eyes on the ball at all time and couldn't pull out , his leg was in the air well before the other player come in and if it was that dangerous why would he go in on nani it was a yellow card at best
keane is jealous he cant play anymore and united were odds on to win the title if had gone through and would have made his era look not as good as it was
If the actions of a player, no matter how honest in there intent, put other players at risk of injury then that player should be taken off. It seems pretty black and white to me. Nani put another player at risk of injury even if he hadn't meant it, that's not how the game is inteded to be played.
I disagree they wouldn't have won the CL that year if they got past Real. Real played poorly that season Bayern and Dortmund were in better form and would of put Man U out
yes you are totally correct, this CL win would have overshadowed uniteds incredible treble. A season in which roy keane's influence on the pitch managed to drag united single-handedly at times where they looked to be gone. that legendary moment would have TOTALLY overshadowed that moment.
keane aint jealous ,, he just wants to smack southgates head in
still not worthy of a straight red card get over yourself
Never a red card in a million years
Same as when Sane went in with a high foot on Edison in the Man City v Liverpool game.
He didn't mean it but there was still contact and it was a red card.
I don't like Roy Keane but it says it as it is and he's spot on here.
Roy Keane talking about dangerous tackling is the equivalent of King Herod dishing out babysitting advice.
Like if southgate’s bringing it home
This was, and still is, a blatant case of UEFA's match fixing tactics. They wanted Real Madrid to qualify , and they made sure that they did. (South american T.V. rights !!!). I'm quite sure that Mourinho knew what was going on, and he even looked embarassed by the situation. Manchester United were by far the better team over the 2 legs.
like uefa was trying to fuck inter in 2010 or how they screwed chelsea in 09 or sending pepe off without touching alves in 2011 uefalona always got there way
Crooner They did it this year as well. They absolutely robbed PSG in the round of 16. And would've Juventus too if they hadn't imploded so late on.
roy is a great pundit!
Keane to Southgate - "You say he is not aware Gareth, Does he not think there are other footballers on the pitch"?? Lol..
It's like being charged with murder when it's clearly man slaughter at best