Its funny you mentioned "imagine a big character with struggling with zoning vs an amazing zoner" when Tager vs Hazama was so bad in this fashion that it made Mike Z create Skullgirls out of pure salt
Not to mention Tager has the worst Mobility of any FG character (why need movement when you have literal magnet hands) and Hazama as some of if not the best mobility.
@@ethanhinton4549 Arc sys devs definitely were on sumn when they made BB (And any of their games in general tbh). You got normal fundy characters and normal archetypes, then you have a grappler with magnet hands, a rush down character that gets progressively more broken with a full screen one button instant projectile, a puppet character with solo unblockables, a set play character that flash banged you, etc.
Half the segment is him saying it was a move that caused trouble on all non-competitive forums and was an issue for people that didn't know the knowledge check or had a character that physically could not get out of the way in time. Not broken, just a trouble maker.
Lex was such a weird character. I played a lot of him and he had such a goofy match up spread against the top tiers where he had stuff like the Zod matchup but was also one of the few with an advantage vs Aquaman
Jade: Oh no, a zoner. Good thing I have Glow. It's literally the only good thing I have! Kenshi: Hah... Nah, I ignore that. Jade: ... This is 9-1, isn't it?
I dont know how feasible this is but PLEASE make a part 2 to this. Its so fun seeing just one part of a character blown up and put in focus on a competitive level, and this video is the perfect stage for that type of content.
The Ice clone in MKX is so broken Sub zero players finally faced a fair fight i didnt play the game the time Alien came out but i was glad when i heard it.
@@gianniskouf6843 alien was insanely overtuned though. He lost basically no match up. But people without brains could just pick up Alien when fighting gm Sub and win, cause the character was super easy as well
@@mostverticalproductions4808I just watched the video about it the other day! It’s theoretically either the arcade 1.0 or arcade beta, but no surviving versions of that exist, and every other version tested - including SNES I believe - you don’t start close enough to actually do it frame 1. Most likely, it’s a myth coming from someone who walked forward first and the opponent didn’t jump fast enough.
Who remembers MKX pre-nerfed Shinnok (Imposter) having an infinite against Jax? Steal ground-pound, which leaves Jax in a state where all you can do is block afterwards, use said-stolen move that’s unblockable and sends him in the air, repeat.
There's also launch Superman vs. Ares in Injustice 1 since Superman could just put Ares in a block infinite at round start with F23 -> breath if he doesn't have meter to armor through his attacks. And even then Superman's trait breaks armor anyway. And if he did manage to send Superman full screen and broke the block infinite, he would still zone Ares out.
Im a big fan of his Bulky Warsuit personally. But if you want a quicker Lex, I think if it would be kinda cool if they gave him his Superman inspired suit from the comics. Basically a sleeker Iron Man esque suit with a cape. But if that would be the case Id rather see Steel.
@@ayayronm Fair, my preference has always been the sleeker design. I'd like to see something akin to his Forever Evil suit. Really liked that design personally.
Solomon Grundy vs raven was another weirdly one sided match up because of how simple it was. Raven had one string that would make her grab immune that was safe on block and edged out any of Grundy's normals while pushing him backwards. since she was airborne it also made her unable to be grabbed by his trait, his walking corpse, that tracking ground move, or his other command grab too. Grundy could technically back dash out of range of the string but to do so you'd have to be at a very specific range since the string advanced and Grundy had a terrible back dash. If you got hit by it, you'd get sent full screen and then have to slowly make your way back in again. Really tough. The only nice thing was, if memory serves, Grundy could stuff and or armor through all of her wakeup options, should you happen to score a knockdown. Grundy vs hawk girl also sucked, since Grundy couldn't do anything to get hg out of the air
Great vid! Just 1 very small correction (I think), level one of captain colds trait doesn't hurt people in the close proximity to him, but if they hit him with a non projectile :)
What I got from the number 5 clip is that captain cold is what I call a snowball fighter. They take a little set up but once they get it their unstoppable
I was a Black Canary main in I2 and while she struggled against zoners in general, there was no more unfair matchup than her versus Deadshot. It was a lot like Zod vs Luthor except Black Canary is small with tiny limbs and no projectiles. I used to have people who I’d just beat switch to him, despite having little or no experience, beat me just because it was all but impossible to get in.
The one I suffered through was playing Nightwolf in the first few patches of MK9, where Jax had a blockstring infinite on only Nightwolf for some reason. One of his strings was just bugged to be airtight into itself, on only Nightwolf. Worse, if memory serves, they didn't patch it for a long time.
MK_REO Made a video on that Jax string. You should check it out. And just to let you know, that Jax string being broken only applies to characters with huge hurtbox
It probably take a while with how many games he has been in but so do I. It's funny how Johnny walls Jax. If Jax ever learned this, he would never live it down
The most important thing about Johnny cage you need to know in mk9 is that he's one of the few characters who had random hitstuns in his kit. Which means that fighting JC wasn't just about learning the matchup but pure luck as well. Sometimes it was your turn, but sometimes not and you had no way of knowing when was the time to hit back. Really weird character .
Its too bad that there's no "good character against bad character" because launch Bane vs Deathstroke was unwinnable. He couldn't even jump the projectiles because his muscles were filled with helium, venom was real bad back then, and his dash was so slow that you couldn't do it between projectiles. If he got in, Deathstroke had so many escape options and Bane would have to risk losing all of his pressure just to avoid getting blown back to full screen, and that's a big "if" when his fastest button was 9 frames and his best button was 11. That's not even mentioning that Deathstroke could literally backdash away faster than Bane was able to dash towards him. Or launch Superman vs Bane, where Bane didn't even get the benefit of armor and lord forbid you eat the 82% heat beam into 2 frame super. I'm so glad Bane got better but man it was hard to justify being a Bane player in vanilla injustice 1.
The last clip reminded me of playing IJ2 a lot. I used to be a scarecrow main…. My brother was a deadshot, darkseid and Batman main, I never was more in love with the crouch position in my life. I was stuck crouching for at least minutes at a time. It was aggravating
11:45 "this game had few matchups the community would argue is an 8:2 mu" i do not fucking believe you in a game where sheeva exists and kabal also exist
I had multiple experiences against sheevas where, because I played jaded jade at the time, I spent the entire game time... Entire... In command run. When I had meter I could cancel to kick for punish, but without my timing had to be right to somersault and start running again before they landed again. It wasn't fun, besides knowing I ruined their day the same way they were trying to ruin others lmao.
You should also add goro vs tremor, after tremor flexes, he punishes every single Sting and special, goros projectile is so slow it's impossible to stop him flexing up.
Starfire vs aquaman is a severely bad mu to the point it’s unwinnable for Aquaman Sf wins 7-3 Black adam bodies Aquaman 7-3 Atom destroys atrocitus 7-3, and swamp thing 7-3s atrocitus Atrocitus 7-3s aquaman Brainiac 7-3s aquaman and black adam Batman 7-3s brainiac and scarecrow Doctor fate 7-3s freen arrow Aquaman 7-3s darkseid Atom beats manta 7-3 All those mus are way worse then captain cold vs catwoman And grundy vs hawkgirl is 9-1 worse then zod and lex Deadshot gets 7-3d by black adam, batman, flash 9-1d by enchantress
Watching a rushdown/grappler character struggle for almost a whole minute to get in on a zoner, only get sent back to fullscreen in one hit - or even on block - always hurts my soul.
I *absolutely* called the number one matchup before I got to it in the video. I didn't actually commentate that match though, despite my name being listed at the bottom. And it's a good thing I didn't, because...I would have had little more to say than how terrible it looked. That's not even a slight on the players, it was just one of *those* matchups. Stellar video as always.
I was truly expecting the number 1 to be just literally Kenshi against the whole MK9 cast, man didn't have a single losing nor even matchup. It was basically "alright, if I am half competent at the game I can win against every character"
Maybe not that relevant competetivly but i remember in mkx imposter shinnok vs ferra/torr was pretty bad cause every reset was just a free 19% grab for shinnok
Remember according to the FGC using Zod and constant projectiles like a chump is zoning not spam. Pretty sad that even in tourneys this is commendable.
Tigers won a west coast qualifier if im not mistaken? Amd many opponents in that top 8 were experiencing stomp for the first time. Its hard for me to take an event in data wise when people hadnt learned to fight it yet.
Kitana vs Kenshi Absolutely unplayable, even worse for her than Jade. Easy 7-3, and MAYBE even 8-2 matchup. Watch 16-bit Kitana vs Pig of the Hut Kenshi
Zod as a character and many of his abilities make him one of my favourite looking character in fighting games so far i just never understood why some things on his h Kit were so OP when abused laser should never push back on block for example or push just one spot and that jumping ball projectile should have more recovery to it. I was always playing him normally and his combos where so fun and great looking to this day.
There is one MKX I think is even worse. What can exactly High Tech Jacqui do vs Master of Storms Raiden? The dude can simply throw static trap behind and static trap front the whole match without Jacqui ever being able to do anything. Her only chance is getting the first hit. I remember watching that matchup in one of Destroyers Tournaments, and the dude was beyond bamboozled. He said it was the first 10-0 matchup he had ever seen.
i loved the sheeva stomp section, while it was kinda a broad exception learning about it was cool. also when the topic of "fighting game clip that ends the moment a character reaches their win condition" came up a while back, i really wanted to just post the tournament zod vs. lex luthor fight but it ends the moment "ROUND ONE, BEGIN" plays
the only grace i give to zoning characters is if the need to sacrfice something to zone, or the input is difficult enough to make spamming difficult. any other reason and zoners are just trash tow atch and oppressive to play against.
This might seem dumb but these kind of match ups prevent me from wanting to invest in NRS titles. Also im just not a fan of the dial a combo system but this channel is great
Sonicfox is a coward. That MKX tournament he unfairly won by spamming "acidic alien" was pathetic. Cheap and cowardly. I lost all my respect for him that day!
I have a question about counter picks. What if someone just doesn’t choose a character because they’re waiting for the other to pick? I feel like that would get pretty problematic
I don't play competitive MK specifically but in any FG tourney I've ever been in, the rule is that whoever won picks their character 1st so that the loser can counterpick
Your Sheeva stomp take is wild considering how broke that move was. Even top players struggled with it due to how inconsistent it is. Good video otherwise.
Has anyone ever considered in these tournies that maybe just ban spamming an attack more than 3 times in a set time span? Like, it would be literally the end of bad matchups as almost 90% of everything wrong with them are literal spam characters.
Man im really loving the new direction of list/video essay type videos. Even if you guys arent as well versed with other games as you are with mk, you guys are great at researching so i would love to see u guys branch out. much love
This reminds me of if a tree falls in the woods, does it really make a sound? If netherrealm makes a fighting game is it really a competitive fighting game?
Seriously, how do you guys manage to keep me entertained talking about the minutia of a fighting game I haven't played in like decades? Like, what even is that?
@@haydenfisher1387 I think it's mainly just that it's something they're passionate about. It's almost always interesting to someone talk about their passion, no matter how obscure.
This is gonna drive me insane lol what is the theme at the end of the video? I know I've heard it countless times but I just can't remember it for the life of me
Johnny Cage Vs Kratos in MK9 was a pretty bad matchup because while Kratos was in his blocking stance Johnny Cages forward 344 would whiff so Cage could not pressure Kratos as effectively as he should while Kratos is blocking
You can say the same about mk11, how some characters attacks whiff because of bad hitboxes. Made some chars useless in certainmatchups, like kano or johnny
Excellent video once again. NRS/WB games have come a long way in terms of balance, and now MKX, MK11 and IJ2 don't have any really bad characters at all, and they are easily some of the most balanced fighting games out there right now, more so than like DBFZ and Tekken 7
If ur execution is perfect with zod it's a 9-1 or worst. 1 hit and lex loses because if you instant air slow ball properly he can't use a move full screen without eating a hit. He can only walk like a millimeter forward. By the time he gets any ground zod olops trait and gets chip. If ur good enough you can continuously instant air while doing trait slaps so there is no opening. Lex basically has to get on and stay on immediately and 200-0
Hilarious that the guy in a suit built specifically to take down Kryptonians can't hang with a Kryptonian.
*Doomsday:* "I have super armor!"
*Superman:* "I got them super hands!"
@@TheWarchiefZekeJaeger
Batman:👁️👄👁️
_Is_ it though? Aside from DCUO, I can't think of one other time that Lex Luthor was able to kill Superman in Apokaliptian armor.
that's because said kryptonian fucks around and holds back. the other mook is more vicious and has a laser blaster lol
Ain’t no armor in the DC verse that can take down a Kryptonian.
“Even Kabal could do it it because of course he can” had me giggling.
Its funny you mentioned "imagine a big character with struggling with zoning vs an amazing zoner" when Tager vs Hazama was so bad in this fashion that it made Mike Z create Skullgirls out of pure salt
he still made peacock
@@SireForseti yea but Cerabellum is also S tier and is an amazing character
Not to mention Tager has the worst Mobility of any FG character (why need movement when you have literal magnet hands) and Hazama as some of if not the best mobility.
@@ethanhinton4549 Arc sys devs definitely were on sumn when they made BB (And any of their games in general tbh). You got normal fundy characters and normal archetypes, then you have a grappler with magnet hands, a rush down character that gets progressively more broken with a full screen one button instant projectile, a puppet character with solo unblockables, a set play character that flash banged you, etc.
I didn’t think it could get worse than Tager V Nu-13 in CT.
I love how titaniumtiger proved how crazy sheeva stomp was by winning an entire mk tournament only spamming it.
all for this dude to say it wasnt broken and would rather it still in the game
@@gabrielduran3305 Not what he said but ok
@@shaynehughes6645 hey buddy do you need me to quote the video? it’s quite literally what he said
@@gabrielduran3305 no it isn't, 7:27
Half the segment is him saying it was a move that caused trouble on all non-competitive forums and was an issue for people that didn't know the knowledge check or had a character that physically could not get out of the way in time. Not broken, just a trouble maker.
Lex was such a weird character. I played a lot of him and he had such a goofy match up spread against the top tiers where he had stuff like the Zod matchup but was also one of the few with an advantage vs Aquaman
He also used to do pretty well against MMH too, really an actual off meta character in every sense
I've never played the game but in theory atleast that makes sense. The game is more like rock paper scissors that way which is what balance is tbh.
the game is great i remember making my brother rage with deathstroke spamming/mashing
I always believed NRS is the reason post SF4 FGC hates zoners so much
I mean they can be difficult but not impossible to beat if you know matchups, but yeah even I’d get tilted
I've never liked zoning, which is why I dislike SF2 and Injustice so much. Sedative in video game form.
NRS zoning was just spamming because NRS doesnt know how to make zoners
The biggest thing about nrs zoning is that projectiles do not clash, which results in trade battles rather than projectile battles.
Also the blockstun and hitstun on the projectiles is craaazy.
Jade: Oh no, a zoner. Good thing I have Glow. It's literally the only good thing I have!
Kenshi: Hah... Nah, I ignore that.
Jade: ... This is 9-1, isn't it?
Kenshi: Add another 1, you'll need an ambulance.
Jade:"When i get the glow i feel the one when i get the glow i feel the one".
Kenshi:What glow?.
Kenshi took some Rad-X before the fight
the lex/zod match up looks like the real life matchup of unarmed guy and guy with a gun
I dont know how feasible this is but PLEASE make a part 2 to this. Its so fun seeing just one part of a character blown up and put in focus on a competitive level, and this video is the perfect stage for that type of content.
Alien vs grandmaster Sub-Zero in MKX should be on here imo. The tail completely ignoring the ice clone broke all sub-zero players for months
Good subzero players deserve it Ice clone is such a horseshit ability
The Ice clone in MKX is so broken Sub zero players finally faced a fair fight i didnt play the game the time Alien came out but i was glad when i heard it.
@@gianniskouf6843 alien was insanely overtuned though. He lost basically no match up. But people without brains could just pick up Alien when fighting gm Sub and win, cause the character was super easy as well
@@marcblack960 i agree on that Alien was also broken it was one OP against another thats why i wasnt bothered.
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Fun fact, Vanilla SF4 Sagat vs. Hugo (forgot what version) in USF4 Edition Select is considered a 10-0 matchup because Hugo can't duck high fireball.
Doesn't Honda have a 0-10 match up against someone in SF2?
@@MilkyWayGrump I think it's supposed to be the SNES version of SF2, and I think it's against Zangief, because he can SPD him frame 1 at round start.
@@mostverticalproductions4808I just watched the video about it the other day! It’s theoretically either the arcade 1.0 or arcade beta, but no surviving versions of that exist, and every other version tested - including SNES I believe - you don’t start close enough to actually do it frame 1. Most likely, it’s a myth coming from someone who walked forward first and the opponent didn’t jump fast enough.
The speed diff going from mk9 Jax to mk11 Sheeva and collector is so funny
Who remembers MKX pre-nerfed Shinnok (Imposter) having an infinite against Jax?
Steal ground-pound, which leaves Jax in a state where all you can do is block afterwards, use said-stolen move that’s unblockable and sends him in the air, repeat.
There's also launch Superman vs. Ares in Injustice 1 since Superman could just put Ares in a block infinite at round start with F23 -> breath if he doesn't have meter to armor through his attacks. And even then Superman's trait breaks armor anyway. And if he did manage to send Superman full screen and broke the block infinite, he would still zone Ares out.
I hope if Lex returns in a potential Injustice 3 that they go with a sleeker suit design and let him actually be kinda quick.
Im a big fan of his Bulky Warsuit personally. But if you want a quicker Lex, I think if it would be kinda cool if they gave him his Superman inspired suit from the comics. Basically a sleeker Iron Man esque suit with a cape. But if that would be the case Id rather see Steel.
@@ayayronm Fair, my preference has always been the sleeker design. I'd like to see something akin to his Forever Evil suit. Really liked that design personally.
Solomon Grundy vs raven was another weirdly one sided match up because of how simple it was. Raven had one string that would make her grab immune that was safe on block and edged out any of Grundy's normals while pushing him backwards. since she was airborne it also made her unable to be grabbed by his trait, his walking corpse, that tracking ground move, or his other command grab too. Grundy could technically back dash out of range of the string but to do so you'd have to be at a very specific range since the string advanced and Grundy had a terrible back dash. If you got hit by it, you'd get sent full screen and then have to slowly make your way back in again. Really tough. The only nice thing was, if memory serves, Grundy could stuff and or armor through all of her wakeup options, should you happen to score a knockdown.
Grundy vs hawk girl also sucked, since Grundy couldn't do anything to get hg out of the air
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Great vid! Just 1 very small correction (I think), level one of captain colds trait doesn't hurt people in the close proximity to him, but if they hit him with a non projectile :)
Oops! It's been a loooooong time since I commentated I2 so apologies for the rust
No apology necessary! Easy mistake to make can't be expected to remember every detail of every game! :)
@@PNDKMKenshi vs Johnny Cage in MK9 is extremely bad for a top tier matchup in that game.
@@PNDKM Waiting for the apology video before you get canceled 😂
@@Redmayne152 I made a severe and continuous lapse in my judgment.
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What I got from the number 5 clip is that captain cold is what I call a snowball fighter. They take a little set up but once they get it their unstoppable
So Happy Chaos in Strive
Captain Cold being a snowball fighter sure is ironic.
@@Paandaas no it makes sense.
The KOF 13 Music throughout this video was a pleasant surprise
I was a Black Canary main in I2 and while she struggled against zoners in general, there was no more unfair matchup than her versus Deadshot. It was a lot like Zod vs Luthor except Black Canary is small with tiny limbs and no projectiles. I used to have people who I’d just beat switch to him, despite having little or no experience, beat me just because it was all but impossible to get in.
I only ever played locally but I Deadshot could be circumvented with scream or even just roll into some bullshit. Luthor vs Zod looks 9-1 unwinnable.
The one I suffered through was playing Nightwolf in the first few patches of MK9, where Jax had a blockstring infinite on only Nightwolf for some reason. One of his strings was just bugged to be airtight into itself, on only Nightwolf. Worse, if memory serves, they didn't patch it for a long time.
MK_REO Made a video on that Jax string. You should check it out. And just to let you know, that Jax string being broken only applies to characters with huge hurtbox
Hearing that Johnny Cage one makes me want to see a JC history now. Hopefully can happen eventually
It probably take a while with how many games he has been in but so do I. It's funny how Johnny walls Jax. If Jax ever learned this, he would never live it down
@@mandalorianhunter1 Jax would just let Johnny have first hand experience on "how to gain metal limbs". Starting with the legs
@@darksigma0282 lol
The most important thing about Johnny cage you need to know in mk9 is that he's one of the few characters who had random hitstuns in his kit. Which means that fighting JC wasn't just about learning the matchup but pure luck as well. Sometimes it was your turn, but sometimes not and you had no way of knowing when was the time to hit back. Really weird character
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He’s currently god tier in new MK1 so maybe?
Fitting that captain cold as a flash Villain has a very good match up vs the flash himself and two other really agile characters
More than anything else, this video highlights NRS's obsession with zoning.
The Zod one was just painful to watch...like why would you do that to a person
Its too bad that there's no "good character against bad character" because launch Bane vs Deathstroke was unwinnable. He couldn't even jump the projectiles because his muscles were filled with helium, venom was real bad back then, and his dash was so slow that you couldn't do it between projectiles. If he got in, Deathstroke had so many escape options and Bane would have to risk losing all of his pressure just to avoid getting blown back to full screen, and that's a big "if" when his fastest button was 9 frames and his best button was 11. That's not even mentioning that Deathstroke could literally backdash away faster than Bane was able to dash towards him.
Or launch Superman vs Bane, where Bane didn't even get the benefit of armor and lord forbid you eat the 82% heat beam into 2 frame super. I'm so glad Bane got better but man it was hard to justify being a Bane player in vanilla injustice 1.
The last clip reminded me of playing IJ2 a lot. I used to be a scarecrow main…. My brother was a deadshot, darkseid and Batman main, I never was more in love with the crouch position in my life. I was stuck crouching for at least minutes at a time. It was aggravating
I am disappointed with that lex vs zod match up that's not even supposed to be fair in a fighting game.
11:45 "this game had few matchups the community would argue is an 8:2 mu" i do not fucking believe you in a game where sheeva exists and kabal also exist
Appreciate that KOF XIII music during the vid! Oh and the vid itself was great :D
I had multiple experiences against sheevas where, because I played jaded jade at the time, I spent the entire game time... Entire... In command run. When I had meter I could cancel to kick for punish, but without my timing had to be right to somersault and start running again before they landed again.
It wasn't fun, besides knowing I ruined their day the same way they were trying to ruin others lmao.
You should also add goro vs tremor, after tremor flexes, he punishes every single Sting and special, goros projectile is so slow it's impossible to stop him flexing up.
Starfire vs aquaman is a severely bad mu to the point it’s unwinnable for Aquaman
Sf wins 7-3
Black adam bodies Aquaman 7-3
Atom destroys atrocitus 7-3, and swamp thing 7-3s atrocitus
Atrocitus 7-3s aquaman
Brainiac 7-3s aquaman and black adam
Batman 7-3s brainiac and scarecrow
Doctor fate 7-3s freen arrow
Aquaman 7-3s darkseid
Atom beats manta 7-3
All those mus are way worse then captain cold vs catwoman
And grundy vs hawkgirl is 9-1 worse then zod and lex
Deadshot gets 7-3d by black adam, batman, flash
9-1d by enchantress
Honorable mention to the pre-DLC era for Injustice 1... Solomon Grundy was absolutely INVALIDATED by vanilla Deathstroke. Hoo, wee.
Grundy vs characters with loads of grab immune combo strings 💀💀💀
Watching captain cold drop that massive ice black and sit behind it immediately made me think of steve in smash bros
I just hope he brings up Raiden vs Jackie Briggs being a 10 - 0 match up in mkx.
Watching a rushdown/grappler character struggle for almost a whole minute to get in on a zoner, only get sent back to fullscreen in one hit - or even on block - always hurts my soul.
This was dope, more of these would be awesome, always cool to learn match up history.
I *absolutely* called the number one matchup before I got to it in the video.
I didn't actually commentate that match though, despite my name being listed at the bottom. And it's a good thing I didn't, because...I would have had little more to say than how terrible it looked. That's not even a slight on the players, it was just one of *those* matchups.
Stellar video as always.
I'm glad you are busting out the content, I'm glad to be here for y'all
I appreciate how active you guys have been lately.
Great video, and I like the idea of using Kof XIII's character select in the intro.
“ even Kabel, BECAUSE OF COURSE HE CAN” got me good haha
Nobody can talk about shivas mk11 stomp without saying that they don't think it was as strong as its reputation
you forgot injustice 1 hawkgirl 10 - 0 solomon grundy . there is no way grundy can touch hawkgirl if she is flying on the top of the stage
What about launch Superman vs. Ares in Injustice: Gods Among Us?
Definitely worthy. A part 2 of this video may be needed
Especially pre-patch Superman when his F23 string can hit you right at the start of the match...and Ares has stubby pokes that could not compete.
I was truly expecting the number 1 to be just literally Kenshi against the whole MK9 cast, man didn't have a single losing nor even matchup. It was basically "alright, if I am half competent at the game I can win against every character"
Kabal: Am I a joke to you?
Maybe not that relevant competetivly but i remember in mkx imposter shinnok vs ferra/torr was pretty bad cause every reset was just a free 19% grab for shinnok
Launch impostor vs jax was unwinnable in theory as shinnok stole the unblockable ground pound for a while
Was fun while it lasted.
Remember according to the FGC using Zod and constant projectiles like a chump is zoning not spam. Pretty sad that even in tourneys this is commendable.
Isn't the point of a tournament supposed to be
Finding out who the strongest is?
Not finding out who the cheapest
What about high tech jacqui vs GM sub or master of storms raiden, those are both 9-1 matchups at the minimum
That was a hot take saying sheevas stomp was blown outta proportion considering someone won tournament using only the stomp
Tigers won a west coast qualifier if im not mistaken? Amd many opponents in that top 8 were experiencing stomp for the first time. Its hard for me to take an event in data wise when people hadnt learned to fight it yet.
Kano main here,
Kano gets destroyed by most ninjas, mainly Sub Zero
Not devastating, but in mk9 johnny cage vs johnny cage was a 6 4 match up, because player 1 advantage
@@isaacsteele7986 MK9 doesn't have a trade system, meaning if both players execute the same move, Player 1 will win the exchange.
I think the interview with Tigerz and Dragon. And Tigerz take was well explained and he agreed with your take.
Kitana vs Kenshi
Absolutely unplayable, even worse for her than Jade. Easy 7-3, and MAYBE even 8-2 matchup.
Watch 16-bit Kitana vs Pig of the Hut Kenshi
Zod as a character and many of his abilities make him one of my favourite looking character in fighting games so far i just never understood why some things on his h
Kit were so OP when abused laser should never push back on block for example or push just one spot and that jumping ball projectile should have more recovery to it.
I was always playing him normally and his combos where so fun and great looking to this day.
this channel single-handedly got me into mk, been playing mkx and love it, just wish the pc community was a bit more alive
Yall forgetting Master of Storm Raiden vs High Tech Jacqui. That's a 10-0 lol
I think NRS loves to make zoners because they just aren't creative martially. Stiff animations, so injustice was a zone game.
There is one MKX I think is even worse. What can exactly High Tech Jacqui do vs Master of Storms Raiden? The dude can simply throw static trap behind and static trap front the whole match without Jacqui ever being able to do anything. Her only chance is getting the first hit. I remember watching that matchup in one of Destroyers Tournaments, and the dude was beyond bamboozled. He said it was the first 10-0 matchup he had ever seen.
Thanks for explaining these matches, great video
i loved the sheeva stomp section, while it was kinda a broad exception learning about it was cool.
also when the topic of "fighting game clip that ends the moment a character reaches their win condition" came up a while back, i really wanted to just post the tournament zod vs. lex luthor fight but it ends the moment "ROUND ONE, BEGIN" plays
dont take what this dude said about sheeva stomp seriously. theres a very i mean very good reason his opinion is in the minority
the only grace i give to zoning characters is if the need to sacrfice something to zone, or the input is difficult enough to make spamming difficult. any other reason and zoners are just trash tow atch and oppressive to play against.
I love the kof music in the background
This might seem dumb but these kind of match ups prevent me from wanting to invest in NRS titles. Also im just not a fan of the dial a combo system but this channel is great
Wishing the best for you!
Great entertaining and educational content.
MK9 Sektor, that's it, that's all you need, *Sektor*
Kung Lao vs Spawn and Robocop in MK11 is just a nightmare for Lao
How
Sonicfox is a coward. That MKX tournament he unfairly won by spamming "acidic alien" was pathetic. Cheap and cowardly. I lost all my respect for him that day!
Grundy vs Hawkgirl in INJ1 was atrocious
"Competitive Netherrealm Games" hilarious combination of words
I have a question about counter picks. What if someone just doesn’t choose a character because they’re waiting for the other to pick? I feel like that would get pretty problematic
I don't play competitive MK specifically but in any FG tourney I've ever been in, the rule is that whoever won picks their character 1st so that the loser can counterpick
winner is always locked into the character they won with. Say Lex vs Zod and Zod wins match 1, the Zod cannot pick anyone else for match 2
Your Sheeva stomp take is wild considering how broke that move was. Even top players struggled with it due to how inconsistent it is. Good video otherwise.
Has anyone ever considered in these tournies that maybe just ban spamming an attack more than 3 times in a set time span? Like, it would be literally the end of bad matchups as almost 90% of everything wrong with them are literal spam characters.
That last one is similar to what I saw in Injustice 2 on a pro scene. Batman vs Scarecrow. OMG was that boring to watch!
Man im really loving the new direction of list/video essay type videos. Even if you guys arent as well versed with other games as you are with mk, you guys are great at researching so i would love to see u guys branch out. much love
This reminds me of if a tree falls in the woods, does it really make a sound?
If netherrealm makes a fighting game is it really a competitive fighting game?
Surprised there wasn’t one for Mortal Kombat X
Dude for some reason I remembered the time where Sonicfox destroyed Pig Of athe Hut when he was Batgirl.
Seriously, how do you guys manage to keep me entertained talking about the minutia of a fighting game I haven't played in like decades? Like, what even is that?
British accents and also their experience/presentation helps a lot lol
@@haydenfisher1387 I think it's mainly just that it's something they're passionate about. It's almost always interesting to someone talk about their passion, no matter how obscure.
This video reminded me why I sadly had no fun playing injustice 2
Mileena vs Sheeva was also like 9 to 1 since Mileena could telekick her out of her stomp into full combo. Sheeva had no chance
The KOF13 soundtracks were a nice touch to the video.
This is gonna drive me insane lol what is the theme at the end of the video? I know I've heard it countless times but I just can't remember it for the life of me
KOF 13
Esaka Continues KOF XIII
I don't play mk11 but am I tripping or can you aim Sheeva stump.
this was a great idea for a video !!
Christ, Zod against Big Bodies...
cool to see some injustice content. i cant take the game seriously at all even though i want to but maybe that will change with more K&M videos
omg thank you for pointing out that i won a game
These videos are teaching me how to play mortal Kombat properl
The hardest match up is making fun of NRS with a Sheeva variation name vs the petty NRS mods/tournament runners.
Captain cold igloo vs catwoman is the pinnacle of ggs shake my hand
So.... what's the intro music? Didn't really specify that, just the person who made it. Much appreciated.
Always love these vids to say the least, but I had to comment on the appreciated use of one of my favorite KOF songs.
Johnny Cage Vs Kratos in MK9 was a pretty bad matchup because while Kratos was in his blocking stance Johnny Cages forward 344 would whiff so Cage could not pressure Kratos as effectively as he should while Kratos is blocking
You can say the same about mk11, how some characters attacks whiff because of bad hitboxes. Made some chars useless in certainmatchups, like kano or johnny
Excellent video once again. NRS/WB games have come a long way in terms of balance, and now MKX, MK11 and IJ2 don't have any really bad characters at all, and they are easily some of the most balanced fighting games out there right now, more so than like DBFZ and Tekken 7
matchup and custard
If ur execution is perfect with zod it's a 9-1 or worst. 1 hit and lex loses because if you instant air slow ball properly he can't use a move full screen without eating a hit. He can only walk like a millimeter forward. By the time he gets any ground zod olops trait and gets chip. If ur good enough you can continuously instant air while doing trait slaps so there is no opening. Lex basically has to get on and stay on immediately and 200-0