Starting a Peterbilt 359 after sitting for 20 years... Run-away Diesel
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- čas přidán 10. 12. 2023
- The good news... it started, the bad news ... it was a runaway.
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The rack is stuck in full fuel, that’s why when you take the air away it’s blowing black out the exhaust because it’s rich. If it was burning oil from the turbo it would be blue smoke, take the injection pump off and figure out why it’s suck in full fuel. It’s not the turbo.
100% correct
You should know you work at Peterbilt at Peterbilt
Correct. Rack in the pump
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Got it make sense.
Fuel rack is stuck at full throttle inside the injection pump. The soot in the turbo and plate is where it was sucking the little bit of air to run while your dad held the plate to restrict it to idle. That too is why when you shut the fuel transfer pump off the first time you tried, it shut down an not after as it had the engine lift pump pumping still
I'm here because JC Smith sent me. I subscribed. I hate all the negativity out here on CZcams. It's an amazing platform in spite of all the losers. Keep doing you. 💪
Ignor any negativity. Your work with your channel is so appreciated . I look forward to your videos. It’s your mission to share your journey. Keep up the great work!
Mile , that knob you thought was the shut down is the throttle. You're getting too much fuel and not enough air. You will wash down the cylinder walls if you keep running it with the air plugged. The soot is caused by all fuel and no air.
Gotta love the sound of an old Cat. Even if it isn't running great. Of course the sound of a 3408 or 1693 will REALLY make you smile.
My Mom's cousin had W900 long hoods that he hauled Pepsi with for years. He had one 1693, 1 3408 and 2 V-12's.
I was looking forward to this video. Thanks for sharing!
I ran into this with a 3406b. The rack was stuck and I finally broke it free...or so I thought. It started up full throttle. Turned out one of the plungers was stuck and once I replaced it, it ran fine. Didn't even have to take the pump off. Cat parts, even aftermarket ain't cheap though
I do have a second engine with a pump on it...
The plunger in mine was stuck closed. I think yours is stuck open. No amount of penetrant would free mine up
Love what you’re doing. So easy to relate to your approach.
That is such a killer looking truck Mike! Love it. Even the wheels, as old as they are look cool on that truck. Just an overall sweet looking truck!
It is very cool. Paint the frame & spokes blue and the wheels white. Big bunk mercury shack on the back. Add 2 more tanks. Be a looker
I love Daytons, they're the torq thrusts and old skool halibrands of the truck world. So cool
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At least the engine didnt seem to grenade. More work to sort out but you've got this with Dad.
Good luck buddy's keep warm an safe guy's
What a ride, edge of the seat action Mike 😮
Keep up the awsome work 😊👍🏻
bless you MR Mike' Dad
This is going to be a good series! Lots of new jobs for you!
the opening shot with the truck in bright sunshine show the amazing 70s paint scheme which looks great still even faded!! And those Spyder wheels would look awesome painted up nice.
Mike, love the content & the interaction you have with your Dad! 😊
Great to see it running Mike, hopefully you will be able to get the parts you need to fix him up so he runs sweet like Duke. Good luck
Looking good mike ! Cheers from NY
Mike I really enjoy watching and learning new things along with you . Sorry there are mean people out there but please don't let them make you quit doing something you want.
Yous did it , you will get it figured, it will be worth it
I really enjoyed this video , you guys have a great attitude
Mike your dad is a mind of information learn from him as much as you can.🇬🇧👍
Don’t mind the negative comments Mike, that was pretty funny! Injection pump definitely stuck internally, needs a strip and clean at the very least. The turbo is no spring chicken either, and will probably need some love in future, but that is not your main issue currently…
Keep doing the good work Mike, ignore the negativity, cant please them all but you are pleasing quite a few!
Mike….. your dad is a legend 👍
Mike you got it started now to dial it in
Did that pete originally come with a Pre combustion head engine? Does it have the 3 position pre heater switch on the dash? I cant remember when they started going to the direct injected engine on the 3406 s. Its fun watching you and your dad working together, with him passing his trucking wisdom along. Doing your own work on those old gals is quickly becoming a lost art. Merry Christmas to all your family. Bill
It was more general popularity than a degree of switching injection systems. DI and PC ratings were simultaneously offered during its whole production run of 1973-1983. From 1973-76 the highest hp DI and PC ratings were DIT 325 and PCTA 360. ‘77-78 the DITA Economy 350 and PCTA 375, ‘79-81 was DITA 380 and PCTA 380, finally in ‘82 the DITA 400 came. When the PCTA 380 came, DI became popular enough that PC was only frequently ordered for California units as it was rather difficult to get DI ratings to meet the emission standards there.
The first 3406 was a pc head same as the 1693 the next gen was the 3406 b no more pc heads
Its alive !!!
She's a runner!!
Good morning Mike that was exciting ,time to go into work and pick the mechanics brains,great content mate 😮😮😮😮😮,I thought only Detroit 2 strokes ran away ,I've learned something cheers
Kym
Adelaide
Hey Mike it's nice to see you got it to run, sort of. As others here have said I would not run it any more until you address the issue with the fuel rail. I think there is a small cover plate at the back end of the injector pump that you can inspect the fuel rail and see if it moves freely or not. Sitting all those years and it's age I'm sure it's stuck. Again as others here have stated, remove it and take it to work. See if any of the guys at your shop work on injector pumps. If not, see if someone locally does. And I would change the oil now, with "cheap" oil, before you try and run that engine again. You do not know how much fuel or other debris is in that oil now. Good luck Mike, I'm sure you and your dad will get that truck running like a champ some day.
Great work with Pop!
Hi Mike from Yorkshire England your dad sounds right 👍🏻👍🏻
Good job:)
That’s Awesome I bet this truck the 1969 Peterbilt will start for you.
Hi Mike from west Alabama USA
Don't get down that truck just needs some loving. 😊 its so cool 😎 definitely worth the efforts
Thank you for the support 🙏
I think all these guys are right the rack is stuck. You need to free it up and make sure all the cables and fuel linkages are free. Great video especially your dad’s comments lol
Stuff happens brother keep up the good work we appreciate you
Thanks Don
The black knob is a vernier hand throttle Mike, twist it to rev up the engine and slap the knob to idle it down.
You’ve got a new Sub here! I’m looking forward to watching your content! 😊
Great stuff Mike. Screw all the naysayers. Keep doing what you love
Brilliant result Mike, Albeit it somewhat more exciting than you bargained for. Steve Feszchack has mentioned a peculiarity of A engines running away under. certain conditions. I think it was linked to lack of air pressure. Give him a shout, he reeky knows his 3406 stuff.
I’ve every confidence that you’ll get the pump issue sorted, that old girl WANTS to run! If it comes down to the pump needing pulled apart and rebuilt(provided the issue IS in the pump and NOT the turbo), if there’s no options in B.C.? You might consider City Diesel in Knoxville, Tennessee. They were able to rebuild Tim Gentry’s pump for his 1693, so a 3406A PC pump should be no challenge.
As far as the negative comments go, Mike…I like the way you’re doing things better than the way that they’re NOT…stay the course, see ya in the next video.
Chris
I agree the wreck is stuck in full throtake a pair of vodka scripts and move the rack back-and-forth to free it up
Mike,I seem to remember on the cat 3406b they had a rack stop cover,with a adjusting screw for setting max fuel,it’s the opposite end from the governors,with a bit of luck if you remove the cover the rack might be in view,some of the glow plugs are faulty that’s why it won’t start,even with 1 faulty glow plug they become difficult to start,
Beautiful Trucks the 359's. Now all you gotta get is a long hood of the same era with a 3408 lol Gotta start checking the back 40 of a lot of private salvage yards. You know Mike, I think you could probably weld yourself up old school air cleaners with the right sized bits of modern exhaust pipes [10 inch chrome exhaust have to be close in diameter to the old snorkele top hat air cleaners eh? Maybe a bit of bead rolling... Fitzee's fabrications
Definitely agree with everyone else mike its the fule pump stuck on full you to take it off and free the cam off or a new/recon one they will be corrosion on the cam
I’ve every confidence that you’ll get the pump issue sorted, that old girl WANTS to run! If it comes down to the pump needing pulled apart and rebuilt, if there’s no options in B.C.? You might consider City Diesel in Knoxville, Tennessee. They were able to rebuild Tim Gentry’s pump for his 1693, so a 3406A PC pump should be no challenge.
As far as the negative comments go, Mike…I like the way you’re doing things better than the way that they’re NOT…stay the course, see ya in the next video.
Chris
Well you answered my question. It has glow plus, so its a pre combustion engine and should really sound good idling with all the rattling sounds. Bill
The pre combustion engine is setting in the building on the floor. The engine in it is a DI engine. Go back through the other posts and you will see. Take care.
Diesels don't run away they overspeed.. Mechanics run away!😂
Hey Mike get a syphon bulb like on a boat to prime the fuel system. they work amazing
Great looking truck 👍 new subscriber here, best to you
Shit Mike that could have been very bad.. hopefully in the future it will run and look better
That black knob is your idle so u can rev it up when you're trying to build your air up mike
That was some wake up call after all those years standing, sounds pretty good to , the smoke would be white if it was running soley on turbo oil, maybe by cutting the air supply to turbo is making it black smoke, my monies on a diesel pump rack stuck wide open, check the intake pipe or manifold for oil, but the sumps still full which tells me its not running purely on a blown turbo seals oil, a rack stuck wide open would flood the cylinders with fuel to,. its one or both of these problems , i'll bet when you 1st got in it you pressed the throttle pedal to the floor ? good luck,.
That engine may be out of production. But they are still being used and rebuilt all the time here in Northwest. The only thing that younger mechanics don`t understand is the fuel system. We installed a used 3406 in a D7 Cat farm tractor. When I left that farm I had about 6000 hours on the engine and it was still running fine. You won`t have problems getting that engine into good running condition.
Hey mate. I'm sure there are a thousand comments already about the same thing. 2 Most likley problems in my opinion. Rack in the pump is siezed at full throttle or diesling from oil pushing past the seal in the turbo (or both). Super easy to check which one. Remove the intake pipe between the turbo and the engine. If the turbo seal is gone it will be full of fresh black oil. You should then be able to start it and be able to control the engine speed via the throttle. If you can't control the engine speed via the throttle then the pump rack is most likely siezed. You may have both problems. From the black smoke choofing out the exhaust. I would lay odds that it was diesling. That is, running on engine oil most likley from the turbo. Either way, keep that plate handy when you start it again. Another point that tells me it's not the rack is that it over reved past the govener setting. Can't do that if it was just the rack. So once again, I agree with your dad. Pull the intake pipe and have a look, then start again and run without the turbo pushing air (and oil) into the intake.
She lives!
From your dad was that "darker than the inside of a cow" 😅 never hurd that before
You need to use the transfer pump on the injection pump to maintain proper fuel pressure and you can easily pull the side cover to check the rack movement
I sent you a message on telegram OK
The rack is stuck in the pump, that's why it runs away and the shutdown lever doesn't work. The shutdown lever is probably working, but the rack is physically stuck. Something sitting for that long you should always check the pump, or if it's a Detroit, check for stuck injectors.
I would check for bent valves, 3406PC's and even most DI's generally start floating valves around 2500-2600 if they're stock truck/industrial part numbers.
most likely all of your pumps in your injection pumps are seized. I just did a deck engine on a well drilling truck that had been parked for about 12 years, same engine as yours, I managed to get 2 of the six injection pumps freed up but had to replace the other four that were rusted and seized, this is not a job for somebody that has never done it, there are timing issues involved with the pumps to the rack, another thing that could’ve happened is someone replaced a pump along time ago and got it out of time ,this will hold the rack in advanced fuel state, also you need a couple special tools to remove the pumps and install, Mike, I hope this helps, I would like to see you get this old girl running again, I recently bought a 76, 359 with an 892 Detroit in it, good luck don’t give up ,it’s all good
Full fuel. Pump is stuck. Depending on the model it will have an inspection plate on the bottom front of the pump If you take the plate off you can stick your pinky in and see if it moves when you move the throttle
Oil in crancase is not low - so you have open injector (multiple) feeding unlimited fuel - stuck rack.
Some of your issue is that the transfer pump supplies 25psi to the injection pump. Siphoning fuel acts like your transfer pump is no longer operating. But like everyone else is saying, your rack is stuck. Easiest way to understand what is happening is think of a sink water faucet. Each injection line is connected to a faucet inside the injection pump. The rack controls all 6 in unison. Your throttle pedal controls the rack. Basically you have 6 diesel faucet valves stuck full flow open. that's the problem. I would try tapping on the side of the side of the pump and working the throttle. Maybe it might break free. Maybe. Try the simplest fix first.😂 If it comes free, remember it stuck once. It can do it again!!!
Gretta would love all the black smoke! Lol.
With any old diesel engine you need to have a plan to block the air off incase an injector or rack is stuck full fuel or worse running away on motor oil!
No turbo problem, Classic Run A Way. Inj. pump rack stuck, You should be able to pull the side cover off pump and spray penetrant oil and work the throttle free or the gov. is holding it. Governor goes to wide open when it shuts down.
I'm surprised you didn't consider that, and check it first.
You got lucky, I doubt it's hurt.
TGP
Once running remove the fuel supply to the pump, if it keeps running you know it’s running on turbo oil. 👍🏻
Reckon as other have said the proublem is the rack is stuck also the black knob would possibly be a hand throttle near say it would have a stop on the pump if it is electric of corse
Old K2.... I see you!
hi guys check your inside of the exoust if you got oil inside it your turbo is broken
yep mick the rack stuck in the pump;its a pump off;you can strip them your self;cat do have a manual for the pumps#cheak the turbo 1st;but my gut pump
/good video though thanks
if you notice black or sooty smoke from your truck it is usually an indication of an imbalance in the air-to-fuel ratio
injection pump problems similar happened to my uncle in Dominican Republic with a Mack R600 truck he send the injection pump to fix
It is something how those old engine want to run. Unlike today’s engines.
That black nob is a throttle lock pull it out and twist it to lock good luck.
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Smoking like crazy as well
I would be looking at the rack in the injection pump.
Dude you forgot to tell your pops bless you when he sneezed.😮
Bro just came here from jc smith projects, im gonna looooose so much time catching up. Great damn content holy shiz nits... listen kepep it up, i can tell i already need more!!! I do parts shipping an skoolie conversions for a living, if you need help getting parts around hit me up, i got you!
soot in other side because you blocked the turbo intake, and its sucking he crap out of ewerywhere, including soot through the turbo seals!
The Rack is Stuck!! The turbo is also bad. By the way it’s been suckin the exhaust thru the seals. That’s a sign of the seals bein gone in the turbo. You’ve got another engine with a pump.
Mike take the cover off the injection pump and make sure the rack and plunger are freed up and pull the intake pipe off and check for oil always make sure the rack and plunger are freed on any mechanical diesel before trying to get them running solid looking 359 tho are you going to fix it up or sell it
Honestly, first thing I would do is buff the paint. Beautiful
Tomorrow's video
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mike,
first: yer "shut off" is the idler screw,
second: if that daes none ye know yer pump is stuck to what ever it last saw,
third: fuel smokes white when lean and black when rich (and aye, water also smokes white)
and oil smokes blue, if it smokes yellow ye got much sulfur in it
and green is sulfur plus oil leak internal, (ask me how i know)
fourth: the Engine is NOT a 100% sealed enviroment, the sut in the intake maye come of the
starvation and it suck back the exhaust all the way fae the otherside of the turbo
(think of race cars without blow off valve, the air goes back out where it came in when the pressure side is closed)
and possibly since it ran full fuel it back feeded it self (weierd but ye never know there is always a first)
my suggestion take pump and injectors out clean them and soak them for 1,2 days in a bucket of WD40 or other rust desolvant
and get them to an shop that can check and adjust them
side note:
take the Turbo out and the other stuff and bring it to yer work place engeneer or master and ask him if that stuff is ok,
conclusion:
Bad/stuck fuel system,
If yer wanna start it up again take the pressure pipe off of the turbo and yer see nothing changes, except ye got an awsome air blower,
ye see it's the rack that says "nope, fook tha".
Well if you cut off the intake it will suck the seals out of the turbo and you really need to check to see if the rack is stuck
I agree with your dad she’s breathing turbo oil the white smoke is oil breath
Of course your dad is right, he has tons of experience and experience is the best teacher. And look at the experience you are gaining by listening to him and by doing.
Yeah, it finally started, then whoa! Nice power steering fountain!
This is definitely not going to be quick restoration, it's got some problems, but you and your dad will get them sorted out.
That will be awesome when down
Steve at fsc has the same engine i believe mike
All your fuel metering is done in the injection pump. When them old cats don't get started for long periods of time all the little parts in each of the ports get stuck. You need to have the injection pump rebuilt thats the only way to fix the problem.
And we shall name her.......Runaway!!!!!!😂
The rack is stuck and you can do atf for cleaning the injectors
Just as a thought. Have you taken the fuel rail apart to see if any lifters are stuck. Your pop said three are not getting any fuel.
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