Tim Pool HAUNTED By Thanos Sam Seder
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- In a debate between Tim Pool and Matt Binder, Tim brings up a past debate with Sam Seder and how he does not have the perspicacity to understand utilitarianism. To which Pool used a Marvel movie to explain. The Majority Report crew is joined by Nomiki Konst and discusses how Pool spent 20 minutes reacting to his debate with Sam Seder. Thumbnail via @theresbrian • sam seder is thanos
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This is from Matt Binder’s appearance, maybe if Binder puts it up you should watch it. [External media] Pause it for a second. I think I do know what utilitarianism is and Deontology as far as I’m concerned is just basically a religion. There’s a right and wrong and it doesn't matter what the context is, this is the way you need to operate in politics. Which I think is the most stupidest 16-year-old and I'm kidding myself… The same analysis can be made to utilitarianism. Utilitarianism is what ends up working for the largest amount of people and I think to a certain extent is a relatively decent way of expressing my politics. Again, it's a childish way to talk about politics. THat’s whom he’s speaking to. One step up from Marvel movies to these fancy terms.
You shouldn't make fun of Tim here. He is clearly traumatized by the events of Infinity War.
LUL
He was dusted in the blip. Major PTSD.
Jeez this just shows Timmy doesn't live in reality.
war changes people
PTSD is strong in this mall ninja
The Right have turned Sam into a semi-mythical being, and it’s the funniest thing ever.
@@10tothebigguy25 Spill it instead of alluding to it
^ he's talking about sam being jewish lol
@@10tothebigguy25 Show your face and reveal your name, tough guy. Why are you hiding?
They all quiver when they hear his name.
@@10tothebigguy25 Bob’s Burgers?
As a philosophy grad, i cringe whenever people like Tim use their wikipedia level understanding of philosophy to push horrible policies
He and his types harm the popularization of philosophy so much.
As a philosophy grad, did you also cringe when Sam used his even-less-than-wikipedia level understanding of philosophy to call Imannuel Kant and deontology "a sixteen year old's ideology that says 'this is right, and this is wrong'."?
@@billwilson9602 The relevant distinction being, that Sam has not said that Tim doesn't understand these philosophical concepts, and that "I think that you and Sam lack the perspicacity to understand this concepts", etc. On its own, any of us can use our Wikipedia level understanding of philosophy, that's not the issue. The issue is calling other Wikipedia level understanders of philosophy on their ignorance, while they also being one. In a very Socratic sense, Tim Pool does not know, that he does not know.
I Kant believe it.
@@mandatoryhelicopterrides4596 They've definitely noticed him.
I can't believe Tim Pool would willingly bring up one of the biggest L's he's took and try to rewrite history on it. This has actually been on his mind everyday since it happened. They need to run the debate back now that Sam has watched all the Marvel movies.
Sam better b team cap and not team iron man or else I'm unsubbing!
First there was DDS
Then there was VDS
And now we have SDS
He was trying to rewrite history making himself sound better thin he was
@@soyborne.bornmadeandundone1342 Team Iron man.
@@soyborne.bornmadeandundone1342 Sam would be team iron man, but point out that the avengers can ignore the regulations if the situation is dire enough and accept that they will need to face the consequences, and at that point the people can decide how to respond after the fact and judge the case on its own merits.
I left Dave Rubin because of you. You could definitely wake up some of Tim's audience.
@Asben N3 Awesome🙂
That's fair, Rubin and Pool are BY FAR the two stupidest political folks on this platform. Dore being a close third. Welcome to adulthood :)
Yeesh... What a embarrassing thing to admit. You have balls.
If it makes you feel better' I was once super stupid too. Ex Bill Maher fan here...
Thought he was just a hippy bush hater at first. Great! Then I learned he's a full of crap corporate leech who's anti vax and platforms nazis 24 7 without pushing back. He's also a pretty crap comedian lulz.
Considering that while tims audience is growing and seder audience is decreasing looks more like the inverse
@@LetsGetitBoah shhh they don't like those
Pool: I'm gonna be a little bit condescending...
[katana mounted to wall]
Me: You surprise me.
Lol
Tim is full faux intellectual holy shit.
"perspicacity" 🤣🤣🤣
That "solution to the trolly problem is to have breaks" was just such a perfect way to end this particular discussion lol
Yea most of the slogans and stories right-wing fools like Dim use or invoke thinking they're scoring slam dunks can be turned back on them. It's good to consider.
@@billyconnelly3568 That's why Binder deals in material issues instead of dwelling in big brained boy hypotheticals.
Trolley problems are the graphic definition of a false choice, Freedom o' Choice music video by DEVO, illustrates this with primordial punk rock skaters, grenades, swimsuits and normiefication rays decades before internet popularizing the "Normie" term.
@@granudisimo Guys like Kerry Thornley and Robert A. Wilson used the term "Normies" way back in the 50s and 60s. They also used terms like "pinks" that enjoyed some popular use. Ivan Stang's term "glorps" didn't catch on so well...
@@drewharrison6433 You mean the ideologic (or so the mediocretins of The Conspiracy want you to believe) ancestors of the Church of the Subgenius?
@@granudisimo J.R. "Bob" Dobbs is the origin of the Church of Subgenius, full stop. 😇😂
"This sounds like an issue you should bring up with Sam" mic drop
Matt really missed the opportunity to say “I don’t care”
@@miniman2132 🤣
@@LetsGetitBoah James O'Keefe is the griftiest grifter of all grifters who have ever grifted. Fake news is his whole MO. He is extremely cynical in his mass deception, and despite it being so FREAKING TRANSPARENT it's STILL EFFECTIVE! It's depressing af.. The type of shit that makes you wanna give up on humanity. Same goes for you praising that fraud while accusing someone who entered YOUR bubble of staying inside a "echo chamber of stupid". Have you ever seen a Project Veritas video paralleled with the raw footage? It is damning.
@@LetsGetitBoah Jesus man, calm down I can feel you seething through that comment.
@@LetsGetitBoah cope and seeth.
"Dread it, run from it, debate arrives all the same." - Sam "Thanos" Seder
"The hardest debates require the strongest perspicacity"
Debate is inevitable.
"I'm inevitable"
"Oh no Sam Seder what a niiightmare"
LOLOLOLOL
What's kind of funny is that Tipmunk Pool doesn't realize that Thanos had the Infinity Gauntlet with all five Infinity Stones *before* he was able to initiate the paragonal onteological philosophical scenario in tabula rasa thereby prima facie obviating his bloviating, false punditry and naturally, alleged and legendary perspicacity.
Sam never said he "didn't know" about the Thanos example in that interview. He said: "I don't care".
The part tim thinks is Sam saying he doesn’t understand is when he asks him to clarify the second part of his argument when he trails off
Tim doesn’t even understand his own reference. Sam is not Thanos (a Malthusian), he is Dr. Strange (a pragmatist).
How can a wizard be a pragmatist?
Also its physically impossible for more than 40 angels to dance on the head of a pin.
Yeah, but if Tim were to be accurate he wouldn't have been able to compare Sam to the explicit villain. Which was the only reason he tried to make the analogy in the first place
@@monsignorerasmus.6441 If you divide by the exegesis of the synthesis over the metadynamic of the square of perspecosity. You can get 42 angels on the head of a pin.
@@petehjr1 ...what
@@IncognitoSprax yes, exactly.
Tim Pool is that one guy in your class that constantly argues with the teacher/instructor over the most asinine things like he is the smartest person in the room, but when asked to turn in his paper he has an elaborate excuse of why he hasn't done it yet.
That is the EXACT energy he puts off.
Well, mix that with some great replacement BS.
But that's just part of his fake liberal grift.
As someone who used to be that guy, but now is the guy that argues with the instructor and then does a 20 min cited presentation on why the issue is more complicted than either party thought, the cringe is extreme. I'm pretty sure my classmate wish I would just shut up, I just can't help myself; but I can base my claims and don't need to rely on misused lingo or Marvel movies.
Lmao so true 😂
@@dakunssd nah, you’re still totally that kid.
The last time I heard someone use the word "perspicacity" was when Lisa Simpson had a melt down in the PTA Disbands episode.
totally ripped it from that classic episode
WOW that was 4 years ago??? I’d still be upset too if I was Poole, because that was clearly the peak of his career
Lol he’s doing way better than most of these people making videos about him.
@@Chuck26814 unfortunately very true. Tim pools been able to grift himself a compound 15 year old me would have dreamed of.
Sk8 parks, no parents, no rulez.
@@rolandoramirez2083 And no hair.
@@Chuck26814 grifters usually scrap the barrel to attract retarded people that give them money.
@@Chuck26814 his audience of teenage boys is going to eventually grow past him and realize how dumb he really is
Its almost -- almost ballsy of Tim to try and (lmao) turn that shamefully stupid Thanos bufoonary into a win ??!
I watched a ton of MR as I was earning an MA in the History of Philosophy. While Sam is certainly not philosophically inclined, there's a reason why Ben Burgis is a friend of the show. Sam has a great grasp of critical thinking applied to US politics and media literacy. While Michael had a keener eye towards political and moral philosophy, there's no reason to think Sam is less qualified to speak on political issues just because he's unfamiliar with philosophy. We can't be proficient in all things. Still, I've always been impressed with the breadth of the show and appreciated the commentary as I tried to make sense of the Trump years while in grad school.
Thanks to Sam and the MR crew! RIP Michael!
Sam before talking about Tim Pool:
“What I’m about to do….. I’m gonna enjoy it, very very much.”
Just a reminder: Thanos was a terrible utilitarian. He failed. He could have just used the gauntlet to improve everyone's lives. He didn't. He clearly didn't care about the "needs of the many", at least not as much as he thought he did. Honestly, if we can take any lessons from this, it's that using fictional characters to describe philosophy is kind of dumb.
The objective in a movie or story is pose a moral question that the audience must answer for themselves; Mission Accomplished!
What's worse is that the good guys who heard Thanos' plan directly on Titan never once challenged his flawed logic to his face. Strange called Thanos' plan genocide and that was it. I guess since it's made by capitalists, they couldn't just imply that Infinity Stones could create infinite resources for everyone and not have the good guys go with that instead.
TO THIS DAY, I still think about that single Thanos moment. Pool was reduced to a child. There is no fucking way he still doesn’t think about that moment.
You think he recognizes it as an expression of his deep deficiencies?
@Billy Connelly
I’m not an expert, but………..
YES.
@@billyconnelly3568 On some level he does, or he wouldn't bother relitigating it.
Sam took the little “intellectualism” Tim that had that day. He was emasculated and reduced to a blathering buffoon.
He's built his career around staying in his sandbox and hasn't evolved in his thinking, his perception of the world or others, or his perception of himself, so he's trapped in these kinds of moments because he doesn't have the humility or PERSPICACITY to question his attitudes.
Holy shit Tim never finished high school and he's overcompensating by doing the Jordan Peterson move of throwing out as many big words as possible to sound smart. The balls of this guy to say he "studies philosophy"
It's amazing how much Tim's rationale still misunderstands the situation totally. It wasn't that "Sam didn't understand these terms, so Tim had to use a pop culture reference, and then got clowned for using a pop culture reference." Sam didn't care about the argument in the first place. The very idea of reducing the current political clash to "whether someone is 100% in one camp or in the other camp" is really silly.
Should we snap our fingers and eliminate half the population because of overpopulation? No. Should we mildly inconvenience people by forcing them to wear masks on airplanes during a pandemic? Yes. Is that an inconsistent position philosophically? Who cares?! As though there's a single person on the Right that has a consistent philosophical position about literally anything. Is there a superhero whose power is "let's employ a case-by-case basis, after reasonably considering the general ramifications of our options?" That's the Left. The Right is what would happen if the Joker decided to simply rob Bruce Wayne of all of his money and become a billionaire. The Left isn't a superhero, it is the collective power of the downtrodden who aren't supposed to wait for one magical guy who can punch down buildings.
You're not wrong about the right, but you're giving the left way too much credit. They built for profit prisons too, you know.
@@kylezo The Left did, or the NeoLibreral Clintonian Rightwing did, while calling themselves Democrats?
As another philosophy grad I just have to laugh (and groan) when Tim misrepresents and misunderstands philosophy so confidently. You could literally throw a first year philosophy student into his office and he’d be obliterated. His audience probably knows even less than he does though.
If they aren't hate watching him it's guaranteed they know less than he does. Also Tim misused what philosophy he brought as well, so a highschool student with the wikipedia page open would be enough.
To add to your point, I have two friends who used to constantly bring up Jung and Kant. I finally asked them to cite what journal or book the concepts they were talking about came from and you know the fucking source? Jordan Peterson and Tim pool. It’s their version of the left’s “yeah I know theory, I watch Hasan.”
You're pretty much just described conservatives lol.
Misunderstanding combined with unwavering confidence.
@@JStack they probably also think Universities are a waste of time.
Tim Pool is the dumbest guy in the room who thinks he’s the smartest.
Also the trolly problem can’t be deontological, it’s either you kill one person or five people, no way to not cause harm to any individual (as he defines it since he said that he doesn’t believe you should cause harm to any individual), in the hypothetical it is inevitable
Shows how much he actually understands the "philosophy" of what he's talking about. He just spouts the definition of words and sets up the thought experiments without actually delving into how you address them and their relevance. It's the epitome of a little knowledge being a bad thing.
I'm not into philosophy but I thought the "do no harm" option is to just leave and not interact with the trolley lever in the first place.
@@TheDoomSheep then you're still choosing to let five people to die, the point of the question is if you put one person's life over many. Not doing anything being do no harm wouldn't have any philosophical weight to it, that would be easy because it would require no action
@@reeseseater12 Hm ok that's kinda what I thought. Would that be sort of similar to "enlightened centrists" who just want status quo because some people are comfortable even though many people die unnecessarily early deaths under the status quo?
The katana on the wall really adds to the comedic atmosphere.
Binder's line "that sounds like something you should take up with Sam."
@@LetsGetitBoah yeah, for some reason, I don't trust you
Tim genuinely doesn’t know the limits of his intelligence. Man I hate when people turn philosophy into something so shallow.
I love hearing Tim Pool base his whole worldview on the shit I'd have talked about in my 10th grade philosophy class, complete with bs pop-culture examples for the kids.
what highfalutin high school did you go to that had philosophy at 10th grade? we weren't allowed to do it until 12th
@@spacemanx9595 My HS had philosphy offered from 10th to 12th grade. I took it in my 10th grade; loved the heck out of it :D
@@Kite403 damn your school had money 💰 🤑
it's funny to hear him be condescending and say he was just trying to sink to Sam's level with the Thanos reference and then go back and watch the original exchange
Literally not an exaggeration in the slightest - they gave us this in 9th grade English
So Tim's pulling some Lisa Simpson words out from under his beanie now? Perspicacity! Give me a break. 🤣
You just know he learned it from Lisa as well. Dude hasn't learned anything outside of memes and cartoon based entertainment. Got his little winter hat on as if mommy dressed him for school. What an absolute child.
“It’s always in the last place you look.”
Tim pool is the intellectual dark webs bench warmer. 🤡
I would be quite pleased to receive such compliment.
Tim pool putting up DNPs
I though JPs daily tears do that job.
I can't take him seriously with the prop weapons on the wall 😑
Fisher-Price’s My First Alpha Male Set
Somebody watches Tim Pool and thinks "Wow that fake gun and sword are so cool that Tim Pool must not be as big a hairy clown ballsack as he seems." Somewhere, somebody really thinks that.
Dude lives in a skate park too 😂
And the fact that he wears a beanie as if it was sewn onto his head.
@@coldsixthousand1
Cuz he's balding and can't face it 😂😂😂
Tim Poole is the type of person who opens dictionary to search for smart sounding words he can use but never once reads what they mean.
lol ima go comment "semantics" in his comment.. and get him to own it lol
No, more the point is he may look up what the words mean and even use them literally correctly, but there's no intelligently constructed context or reason for their use and he exposes himself as a try hard jackass using them.
Like with deontology, he probably has memorized a definition of the word but still doesn't understand what it means with any subtlety, which is to say he doesn't understand it.
You sound slow
@@Chuck26814 reads slowly and then blames others for it.
Sam didn't say he didn't know what it meant. He said he didn't care because tim was trying to equate Sam to a bad guy in a movie.
Wrong, Tim pointed out the logical flaw in sam's ethical system using an example that was easy to digest for at the time the highest grossing film of all time and the most hyped film in decades. An academic approach would be considered nerdy and snobby. Unfortunately Tim was in a lose lose situation. If he tried to explain the difference between utilitarianism and deontology without being digestible he would be considered a pseudointellectual bookworm. If he used pop culture based on the most hyped movie in decades and the films that made the most movie he would be called childish and be disregarded.
@@christianjimmyalvarez711 lol no. He didn't point out a flaw. He basically said that Sam was taking a position similar to what Thanos would take. Sam said he didn't care. Because it's a movie and not real life. Tim is just a baby who can't take criticism or an L.
Oh please, he doesn't believe any of that, he's just trying to appeal to right wing audiences. If he held a consistent standard, he wouldn't support voting Trump either (which he does now).
@@christianjimmyalvarez711 What was the flaw in Sam's ethical system, exactly?
@@christianjimmyalvarez711 you clearly have not watched the clip because that is 100% not what happened. Sam understood the difference, and said Tim's outlook was silly. Tim Pool busted out the "you're a movie bad guy" thing *afterwards* to try make Sam look bad, but it backfired horrifically.
I've said it before and I'll say it again, Tim Pool is the Mancow of CZcams "political punditry," in that he has a massive audience yet he is TERRIBLE at it. The fact that he has gotten so big despite having no insights or intelligence for politics is an indictment of CZcams as a platform and makes me sympathetic to the idea of banning all political content from it in my weaker moments.
@MJH505060
I think that’s an insult to Mancow, who in his own right, is a complete moron.
I've said it before and I'll say it again, sam "I don't care" seder is the Mancow of CZcams "political punditry," in that he has a massive audience yet he is TERRIBLE at it. The fact that he has gotten so big despite having no insights or intelligence for politics is an indictment of CZcams as a platform. That said I will never be sympathetic to the idea of banning. I'm not sam seder afterall.
@@clintholmes2061 obviously is wrong.
@@clintholmes2061 "he has a massive audience yet he is terrible at it"
He is terrible at . . . an audience? What does this mean in English?
@@oxman5571 That is exactly the type of substance free "argument" I'd expect from one of sam's fans.
"Not everybody knows philosophy" after quoting 101 philosophy he clearly learned from a primetime TV show he just watched.
His "I read one Vice article about this and I now consider this spicy take to be an argument that I created myself" attitude lmao
Well he was right. Sam clearly has spent no time at all thinking about these sorts of things.
@@Reloading20 You did a great job of proving someone doesn't think.
@@redrick8900 you're really doing Sam a solid by trying to make him look good in comparison to yourself
@@Reloading20 You did a great job of proving someone doesn't think.
"[How can I talk about these things if they don't know what the words mean?]"
I dunno Tim. Have you ever tried explaining something to someone? If you are talking to someone about deontology and utilitarianism, it's pretty easy to just, give the person who doesn't know why they mean their definitions. Well, that is of course, if you yourself know what the definitions are.
Well in fact, he already did that (in a very rough way) prior to the Thanos thing, but Sam called his outlook silly. Tim Pool then said the Thanos thing to try "own" him, not to explain it.
He was for sure the kid in school “yeah I know what a clit is but you tell me what it is so I know you know first.”
Nothing worse than an insufferable philosophy bro. Real philosophers don't behave like this.
Word.
2:35 in responce to Tim's deontology thing Sam said "I think that's silly" which was both accurate and funny
Tim Pool is what you get when the 14 year old “edgy” libertarian kid who sits in the back of the class shooting hornets at people never actually grows up and somehow stumbles/grifts his way into millions.
Sam and Tim debating basketball:
Sam: I think in this situation, a zone defense would be better than man-to-man
Tim: Sam, when LeBron is playing, should he breathe or not breathe?...
LOL
That's a hypothetical
Pfft..ahahahaha...I can actually see this happening!..
How much do you want to bet that Tim learned the word perspicacity from the simpsons lol
What's even more scary is there are several multiverse versions of Thanos Seder. Has pimcel tool even considered this???
Apparently out of 14,000,605 Steven Crowder variants, only one of them has the balls to debate Sam Seder. And in that universe Sam Seder is a right wing grifter
@@MagicalSkyWizard Lololol the only version of cold feet coward that actually isn't a coward and stands up to his father. I'd pay to see such a thing haha.
To compare Tim Pool to a 16-year Ayn Rand reader is REALLY UNFAIR to that (hypothetical) teenager 😂😂😂
He will be haunted by based god Sam forever
Tim Pool’s brain must be leaking out of his beanie
The beanie is the actual lifeform, it's just attached to the inanimate husk called Tim Pool.
Tim Pool: "Hey does everyone remember that time I embarrassed myself by comparing Sam to Thanos?"
Aha, the can't-get-owned-if-you-own-yourself-first strategy. This is some next-level thinking.
Hey remember that time u try to come at me and I proceeded to bury u so hard that u couldn't even form a rebuttal
Now that was embarrassing
Problem is Tim really buys his own bullshit and has convinced himself that his deluded breakdown of this is really what happened. I honsetly find this self-deluded self-righteousness to be a dangerous and reckless attitude. It legitimizes gaslighting.
I remember when Tim would take issue with people needlessly using jargon in conversations like this. I guess he gets off the anti-intellectual trolley when it suits him.
I just finished my undergrad and Tim Poole seems like the guy who took intro and then emailed the professor to get into a senior level philosophy class even though he doesn't have the prerecs and is a business admin major
Except I would have respect for the business major because he gets his philosophy from a scholar and not Thanos
I've determined that Tim pool is basically the incel version of Dave rubin lol
Solution to the trolley problem is:
1. to have strong regulatory frameworks that make sure brakes are regularly inspected and maintained
2. tracks are properly constructed with lots of safety features
3. a strong welfare safety net that prevents vulnerable people from finding themselves on train tracks
Lol, perfect!
Solution to the trolley problem: None.
The majority of people at risk are probably POS.
The minority of people at risk are probably POS.
@@electriccoffeehello700 Being a POS isn't a crime with a death sentence.
I get this is tongue in cheek, but the trolley problem is a useful thought experiment. Funny that Tim Pool tries to make appeal to popularity with the Thanos thing to prove that people in general are deontological though, because most people (and definitely most philosophers) say that you should pull the switch in the trolley problem.
The reason Captain America is viewed favourably (besides being framed as the protagonist) isn't because he is deontological, it's because things always work out for the hero. Heroes in the situation where they have to favor one life over many will almost always end up saving the many anyway through their choice. In the rare situation that they don't, the many do not have a connection built up with the audience in the way that the one does, so you don't feel the same level of empathy by design. In other words, movie heroes get to have their cake and eat it too.
Basically, Tim Pool is dumb.
Honestly, the answer seems really easy. You pull the lever. Everyone would pull the lever. Why is this a thing anyone feels compelled to discuss?
It doesn't bother me in principle that he says the words deontology or utilitarianism - it's the that the way he talks about them, he seems to think that knowing a rough definition of the two most famous branches of modern ethics IS philosophy (more so than the process of rigorously critiquing the ideas of great philosophers and actually THINKING FOR YOURSELF). Sam is ultimately correct that many right-wingers with very superficial grounding in philosophy tend to use the little they learned in an introductory philosophy class (or even English class) ad nauseum: Plato, JS Mill, and probably excerpts from Kant. I know you've covered many segments where they have.
Moments like these make me miss Michael the most because I think your show does benefit from having people literate enough in philosophy like Matt (who should speak up more in these moments). The Emma/Sam/Binder approach of "not engaging in philosophy" might sound like a sick burn, but I don't think you should shit on philosophy so much as the many people with religious inclinations looking for a quick and easy way to feel smart and secure in their bs. If he had said 4+4 = 12, you wouldn't mind engaging him on the mathematical dimension, and I don't think that we should abandon philosophy altogether when leftists actually have a rich philosophical tradition that has been very influential in the social sciences (as well as great analytic philosophers & philosophers of math, linguistics and science - Ramsey, Russell, Chomsky, to name only a few - who have all made contributions to knowledge and advocated publicly for leftist positions and learned very effective debate skills from the study of logic, cf. Ben Burgis)
Anyways, if we had a good philosophy guy on the show, we would be able to say, "Okay Tim, I hear you using these words, but what do they mean to *you* and how open are these things to doubt or criticism in your own mind? Doesn't a politician have a deontological duty to represent their constituents? Isn't accepting SuperPAC money to not vote in favor of pro-labor policies a direct violation of deontology? Isn't having anything that could be considered a potential conflict of interest very questionable under deontology? What about the Categorical Imperative - don't you have to see every human being as an END unto themselves and not just as the MEANS to achieve your desires? Aren't businesses, which have people whose job it is to calculate the most cost-effective way to run their business, INCENTIVIZED under capitalism to NOT see people as ends but only means? Doesn't that mean politicians who accept money from them have a deontological conflict of interest which causes them VIOLATE the categorical imperative as a standard part of doing business?" I would engage him on that level before explaining to him how deontological ethics are only really good for coming across as a consistent, honest person in interpersonal relationships but that the point of studying philosophy is actually to think for yourself.
The problem is you're adding all this infrastructure just to address this one obstinate buffoon. I mean I suppose you could make the argument that it might pay dividends if you manage to speak to his immature audience in a coherent and compelling way through this new staff member you want, but to me it doesn't seem worth it to engage with one pea brained bad faith actor. On the other hand, I do appreciate your underscoring of the importance of a philosophical and ethical sounding board to ground some of the practical discussion in a larger overall narrative.
I agree and I guess I wish I knew how to pull more of these young boys out of the right wing death spiral, but I think that Tim would just move the goal posts and start attacking you, "See this is the problem with the left. . . (Insert fancy word garbage). " There's a reason that dude lives in a compound. He's walking around terrified of the real world.
The trolley problem is such a broadly understood reference that there is literally a party game sold at WalMart that is based on the premise. It's not exactly an esoteric philosophical concept.
Deep Walmart thoughts
That's the point, it's philosophy for into students and has no real relevance in a political discussion about actual policy.
"I don't deal with the hypothetical"
"Did you hear about the trolley issue?"
Tim Pool is a walking, talking dunning-kreuger graph.
My man watched a 5 minute philosophy video on CZcams and now he's the expert lmao
Is Poole really trying to equate himself with being a philosopher?
He really thinks he is
Tim Pool’s audience is known for deep discussions of high-level ideas. My brain is now in recovery mode.
Tim Pool is a guy who says "perspicacity" with a crossed sword and dueling pistol behind him.
Tim Stool is very insecure, especially about his shiny dome of a head.
"you shoulda....you should have gone for the utilitarianism"
I guess MR have found their next wounded antelope
I wonder if there's any footage of that Thanos clip. It's so sad that we can never know if Sam actually, genuinely said that he had never heard of the concepts of deontology and utilitarianism. I guess we'll just have to trust that Tim Pool, famous truth teller, is telling the truth.
Tim Pool sounds like every Libertarian caller that goes off on a long rant about the definition of words and concepts when they cant answer the most basic questions about how their ideal world would work.
People like Tim Pool and Ben Shapiro speak at double speed so their dumb ideas slip thru, as well as the many mistakes and mischaracteristics they constantly spew out
OMG tim pool is, friggen arrogant and thinks everyone else is beneath his high level of thinking, when in actual fact he doesn't understand what he's talking about at all. He throws around ten dollar words to seem intelligent to try and belittle and boost his own fragile ego.
What a lame. He obviously looked up these words the night before to get a leg up on Bender. The left as a whole should take this as a compliment.
“Sam doesn’t know what utilitarianism is.”
No, Tim doesn’t understand what utilitarianism is. It’s not a universal law like gravity or Pool’s irreversible fear of not wearing a beanie, it’s an idea to be applied.
Pool also made sure to use the extreme example of “do you want concentration camps?” To which Sam had to say “Well if one candidate wants 100 and the other has 1 then yeah I’ll vote for the one that’ll have one.” And then Tim thought that was a gotcha in his Pool’s favor not Sam’s lol
Whoever did the thumbnail should get a raise
That thumbnail graphic is just priceless. I want a Thanos Sam comic
He totally got "Perspicacity" from a Simpsons episode, where it was specifically used as overly pretentious sounding "smart people" word.
Lisa : Relax? I can't relax. Nor can I yield, relent, or... Only two synonyms? Oh my God! I'm losing my perspicacity. Aaaaah!
Homer : Well, it's always in the last place you look.
wait, wasn't Tim's argument for why he can't have sam on that Sam was too terrified of him? kinda does you a disservice to bring up the time he was in your show
Tim won't let people call in on zoom. He will only let them on the show if they fly in. It's laughable
Tim pool : did you do it?
Samos Seder : yes
Tim Pool : What did it cost
Samos Seder : Steven Crowders dignity
Tim also thinks he slays at skateboarding but if you had chance to see his video of him showing off his moves you'd know that there's 7 year old kids who could literally skate circles around him. Because like everything he does he's terrible at it but in his mind he's amazing yet anybody who is remotely informed on the subject sees right through his BS.
First time I've heard Dunning Kruger applied to skateboarding
Have you seen his "Hang Ten Hard Flip" video. It's actually a fairly difficult trick. I'm sure not many 7 year olds are doing that trick.
Also, Tim has never said he was the best at skateboarding. He even admits many people younger than him are incredibly amazing. He just has a passion for the sport. Not sure why people like yourself feel the need to make a strange ad hominem attack.
@@thejuniorseas7683 I can't stand Pool, but this is a weird way to go after him. His passion for skateboarding is one of the least bad things about him, I wish he'd just podcast about that all day instead. I'd have no problem with him opining on something he actually knows about.
@@kevindonahue2251 He has his Cast Castle vlog channel that often shows him and other employees and guests skating.
I don't understand the idea behind having Binder on and only talking about Seder. Seems really normal and well-adjusted
Because he is in love with Sam seder.
Can't have Thanos in the room, would be too spoopy.
Well if you have Robin on you are going to talk about Batman.
@@redrick8900 Not really appropriate, Binder worked for Sam a while back and does appearances on his show, so I get asking a question or two. But you have Binder on to talk about crypto scams or online extremism because that's you know, what he covers.
'You just don't understand the argument' after saying a bunch of incorrect shit is pure Tim Pool
I still want Trial By Combat with Tim Pool and Sam Seder's Pause Button.
Pause it 🔫🔫🔫🔫🔫
Tim Pool claiming to be some philosopher king - while making the clumsiest nonsense argument on the planet.
Y’all should wear black snow hats and t-shirts when doing Tim Pool segments.
Sam is living in so many of these grifters heads rent free... hilarious.
When you guys are so obsessed with twitter after all those years. Sad little broken boys. After all I saw the JRE clip from 4 years ago - more evidences both are not leftists. After all weapons on the wall and edgy rebellions had been the domain of republican party for decades.
This video is playing on my TV and whenever Pim Tool is going on and on the cadence is absolutely indistinguishable from Benny Shapiro. Just like him, he's trying to bludgeon with bluster. Also just like him, there's nothing fundamentally there.
what's even dumber is that even from a utilitarian perspective what thanos did was absolutely absurd and stupid
Remember back in the mid 90s being a high school freshman, burning incense, listening to Mazzy Star, and talking about being deep with your friends? I do and I'm jealous of Tim for being able to keep that feeling going well into his 30s.
That's conservates for you. Stuck into a era when rest of us got bored or improved ourselves and moves on.
Listening to this, it's clear that Tim Pool doesn't understand philosophy at all.
Do you know how I know it? Because that's not the trolley problem!
The trolley problem got a few other bits after, such as would it be fair to kill a living person to harvest organs and put these organs in 5 persons? The math is the same.
Also, he completely forgot about virtue ethics and consequentialism - literally forgetting half of the school of ethics out there.
On top, Tanos? Seriously?
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Well two things on that before going to see it...
First, Sam seems right about not caring here because the ethics of a character in DC movies aren't practical in the real world, and knowing these terms isn't necessarily what helps being ethical. It doesn't hurt to know these words, but the moral intuition is what often matters.
Secondly, I think... I'm not sure as I haven't seen these movies and I frankly don't care about it, but I think Thanos might be more of a pessimistic Malthusian. As in talk about overpopulation and lack of resources?
And Malthus wasn't an utilitarian, albeit he was influenced by utilitarianism. He was more of a consequentialist as he speculate that overpopulation would bring famines, diseases, and violence.
Anyway.
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That's even more deserved than I was assuming in context.
Sam hit the nail on the head when talking about how conservatives will say their politics come from philosophy. Like it's one thing to be interested in philosophy I guess. But it's insufferable trying to talk with these morons who think vague philosophical ideas are like the most relevant place to get your opinions. I'd rather people stay grounded in their worldviews but I guess we have to live in la-la land
The Dunning-Kruger effect is strong with Tim Pool
"huh uh, you're like Thanos" that's what he said when he debated sam, and sam was "so?" he has a 30 minute intro
That is the funniest thumbnail I have ever seen
In the original interview Sam doesn't even say "I don't understand' he says "I don't care"
Pretty sure Tim Pool just watched an old episode of the Simpsons the other night
the thanos issue..lol
I always cringe when folks talk about that like its some noble thing.
The first thing i thought of when i heard of the thanos issue....was if thanos suddenly had ALL the power in the universe...like the ability to do ANYTHING!!!
why didnt thanos just double all the resources in the universe? you would have to be a sick ass psycho to think oh..ill kill off half the universe to solve the scarcity issue...
no..with ALL the power in the UNIVERSE you could double the resources.
small minded thinking.
Huh… even with “all the power in the universe” it never crossed my mind that he could bend the laws of physics and create new forms of matter and energy. Interesting though.
@@nickthompson1812 um yeah. it has been stated that the infinity gauntlet when powered up with all rings...can do ANYTHING. the only real limitation it has been givin is it only works in the dimention it comes from. and i mean it was shown thanos changing stuff into other stuff...he could simply make a bunch of the hydrogen in an area of space into water or some kind of food source. easy enough to even stay inside the laws of physics and still do something other than kill half of the entire universe.
the "i dont care" is my favorite same seder moment... Hi Emma :)
Oh man, snowflake Tim has never recovered from that beatdown he got by Sam…
In my time we used to read whole books instead of articles.
Tim is lying, he didn't use the Thanos example because Sam didn't understand him. Sam said (and these quotes are just approximate) "I think your viewpoint is silly. I believe less harm is better". Then Tim Pool gets a smug look on his face and says "Well I'm going to tell you something you don't want to hear - bad guys in movies are usually utilitarians" to which Sam responds "I don't care" and then Tim Pool, repeating his npc script if you like, continues on regardless "Like you know Thanos?".
Tim was not saying it because he was trying to explain things, in fact he literally admitted as he was saying it that he was being a dick. Sam understood Tim's stance, he just thought it was childish, and Tim tried to "own" him with marvel facts and marvel logic (tm).
I'd also like to point out that Thanos is not a utilitarian anyway. He's a madman with a messiah complex. He has the power to do literally anything and his choice is to kill half the people in the universe, rather than reduce birth rates or create the resources and space that growing populations need. His idea won't even work, it will only take a few generations for life to repopulate beyond the point at which he did the snap. The reason he did the snap has nothing to do with utilitarianism and everything to do with him being a delusional narcissist who has to do things *his* way, and that everyone has to be grateful towards him for doing it.
You are doing god's work with that Thanos stuff. The amount of people I've seen act like that's rational is terrifying.
@@redrick8900 People saying "Thanos had a point" is a total pet peeve of mine. No he doesn't, he was a fucking psycho who was killing half the universe to soothe his ego lmao. Goes to show the dangers of making the protagonist of a movie the bad guy I guess.
@@Junebug89 I also want to point out that Humanity has like 20 times as many people as we had on earth 1,000 years ago and we are much better at feeding everyone now.
The notion that Tim pool is a philosopher... or even understands ANYTHING about philosophy let alone development and implementation of policy or religion.
Is probably the most idiotically ludicrous thing I have heard in years.
How incredibly embarrassing for Tim Pool. He literally sounds like a 16 year old who just got into philosophy. Jesus.
I submit that, if one is framing a certain argument using certain terms, one should easily be able to define said terms. Otherwise, one should not be using said terms or framing said argument or both.
I'd be so tempted to just ask Poole to explain deontology to me. The idea that it's as simple as the non-aggression principle is idiotic. It's so childish
The non-aggression principle is the jewel in the crown of libertarian "thinking."
Credit to Tim for introducing me to a word deontology that I've never heard in my 60 years before. Glad to see also he's now defined himself with one word. Will look forward to him struggle to get out of that definition in the future.
i would actually argue that utilitarianism is a pretty solid method of establishing morally justifiable prescriptions within politics.
rumor has it that Tim wears a beanie filled with Vaseline.