Dude straight up bullied her into giving the money back by threatening social and professional ostracization, then uses the fact she gave the money back to ostracize her
Imagine playing a sport or video game your entire life. Only to get shit on by someone that was most likely cheating. You wouldn’t sit there and take it either. Unless that’s what you’re into
@@chillphrog”most likely” the only thing that makes it seem that she was cheatin is that she gave the money back other than that seems like poker to me lol
@@cbaumann3557 if I won a pot that somebody thought was impossible and they thought were goin to win even tho… it’s poker lol then yeah I’d look at them an smile because of how disturbed they’re that they can lose but I suppose you could see it your way 2 but bein in a situation kind of similar before myself (not 4 a lot of money however but still) I don’t buy it
@@noah7008 No one who is playin at a 100 grand stake is calling with jack high ever on that board with the way that is played. Thats a snap fold for literally everyone who takes poker seriously. If this was legit its literally the greatest/stupidest hero call ever made lol.
My take on this… She made a blunder and by some extreme stroke of luck it paid off. She felt insecure winning off a mistake, so when questioned she tried to quickly make up some BS explanation on the fly, so her peers didn’t clown on her. It backfired and made her look sus af - which led to this extremely famous poker player cornering her and basically telling her that he was going to destroy her, so she freaked out and gave the money back out of fear. Again this backfired because it only fed into the suspicion.
Its professional poker. They play for high stakes all the time. They have security. She had friends there. The only way you give somebody a refund is out of friendly sport, when you know the hand wasn't fair. (also not for 6 figures)
Doesn't explain why she called an all-in with Jack high. That's the most suspicious part. She didn't have much in the pot, it's an easy fold. We are supposed to believe she simply made an amazing read, yet after the read paid off, refunded the player who she read? It's incredibly suspicious. That, combined with the employee who was fired for stealing her chips, just sets off a million red flags.
@@cameronl1859 Even if someone says she had a “good read”. The best read she could have had would’ve resulted in her folding. I just wish there was a way to prove it one way or the other. Cause if it was truly luck, that’s fuckin insane. And if she actually cheated, that’s also pretty crazy
He was staring her down after that and made her uncomfortable. She says "you look like you want to kill me right now" and he just keeps staring at her so she didn't want drama with a hugely popular player. Giving up the money was certainly to avoid beef with someone with fans who she seems to have play with somewhat regularly
@TheBristow55 Wrong. To add some more context, a lot more evidence has come out about this and the evidence against her is basically staggering that both her, another player at the table, and a person in the back, were all in on it. There was an HCL employee who works on the stream who had a view of all of the hole cards in the back and was feeding them to her and RIP. He even specifically moved his desk like a few weeks before so his view of the cards wouldn't be obstructed, and he also let out an audible yell when she gave the money back. He also palmed and stole 15k off her stack at the end of the night, likely thinking he might not be getting paid. All 3 of them also repeatedly lied about their relationships, that she didn't know Bryan even though they followed each other on Twitter, only for them to unfollow each other after this comes out. That her and RIP were having a romantic relationship even though they were seen being intimate. They never even mentioned that RIP staked her in the game until like half way through the night. After the video was analyzed, there are also SEVERAL different times of her and RIP trying to silently communicate with each other. Either telling each other their cards, or trying to tell the other one to stay out of the way. Again, multiple different times of them mouthing things to each other, several other suspicious hands or play in general as well.
Sounds like he's a sore loser. Poker has elements of luck and he fully felt that luck. Her giving the money back just means she doesn't want drama with someone clearly butthurt.
You people wouldnt defend yourselves? You'd just roll over and give it back after you legitimately won it? I really doubt it, and if you actually would your kind of a push over.
@@ThisDonut if you hear the person you beat made a post saying you cheated with no evidence and I already had money then Yes I would return it to avoid a shit show. That is just me though drama is never worth it.
@@nealtibbs585The fact they presented no hard evidence is all the more reason to not give it. Giving it back only gives the accusations credibility. Accusing someone of cheating is an attack on their character and for one to simply say "i dont wanna deal with it" isnt defending themselves, or denying accusations. IMO my character and pride are worth the drama. Honestly the smart thing she shouldv done? Dont even address it. Maybe make one post but other than that dont give it the time of day. It just lends credibility.
The best poker clips are always the ones where pros have the seemingly sudden realization that luck is involved and get super pissed. It's like their ego can't handle the possibility that if they could lose to a dumb play and some of their wins may have also been do to sheer dumb luck as well. Whatever the case, it's fun to watch.
its like playing monopoly and you own everything on the board exept board walk then you land on boardwalk pay up then get a chance card that sends you right back and you lose i would be pissed to honestly
@@lom7923 That still doesn’t mean she cheated though did you not see the fucking look he gave her? I wouldn’t be surprised if she gave it back strictly out of fear.
@@AnthonyBlamthony they are professionals. they have security. you really think he'd attack her or do something to ruin his chances at being in any tournament going forward? he was suspicious for good reason, and was probably angry, but c'mon they are pros. and she offered the money back, he didn't go out of his way to ask for it or make any threats
The only bigger chad move is going all in literally without picking your cards up off the table. Only seen two people do that, and one was an anime character
@stmsin wasn't because she felt bad. It's because he was throwing a fit and making everything uncomfortable. Giving money to someone who accuses you of cheating but can't prove shit doesn't make sense either.
Seriously though loll the best I've done in poker is toward the end of the night when I'm drunk and not thinking much about what I'm doing. People get so mad too when they know you're not seriously playing 😅
The only reason I think she may have given it back is because he’s a very popular player in the poker space. Having him accuse you publicly of cheating is a good way to get you blacklisted from future events. If a small streamer starts getting bullied by XQC they’ll probably say whatever they have to
''bro i f*cking i beat Mr Beast in a fifty grand poker game off of me just doing it for the sake of content'' see, so what i said in my first comment is literally validated here, because this is no different to her doing it. her reason wasnt for content (or maybe it was who knows) but one shes like ''i'll make it back anyway'' on about the money, so like i said, this is like a twenty dollar game for these people, and to me a twenty dollar game would be equivalent to playing with grands. and two, she said he makes these moves a lot, and he's let her do this to him a lot so why is he acting surprised. its not her being dumb or cheating i dont think. its him being dumb for not knowing his opponent that he's played before, and her knowing hers. poker isnt just about your cards, its about the people you play against. this is the kind of shit you would see in a movie where the protagonist wins on the worst hand and the bad guy folds a straight flush.
Honestly I'd do the same thing, not with that much money on stake but still. I play against my friends all the time and make questionable moves and go all in and win somehow.
It's literally a game of chance. I fuckin obliterate people in bluffing games because i do whatever i feel like doing. It doesn't matter if my hand is good or garbage. All that matters is that my opponent loses. If you're gambling on hundreds of thousands of dollars, then surely you can afford to fuck around.
I’m confused even if she was trying to fumble him by telling him she had a crap hand, she told him she had a crap hand and it was up to him to believe her
This was weird, Garret did the not cool thing of publicly accusing her of cheating with 0 evidence, just a hunch and trusting his gut. But apparently she knew an employee and he "stole" like 20k from her chips right afterward, and he had monitor of hole cards. So there was a few sus things, but for Garrett to light her up off the rip is bad etiquette at best. She claims she read him like an insta post.
@musicmeta_systems Except that after all the evidence that came out after, it's pretty tough to say anything other than he was 100% correct. @@SophiaAstatine The evidence that came out after this was pretty staggering against her that both her, another player at the table, and an employee in the back, were all in on it and actually cheating, even if circumstantial. The employee worked on the stream and had a view of all of the hole cards in the back and was feeding them to her and RIP. He even specifically moved his desk like a few weeks before so his view of the cards wouldn't be obstructed, and he also let out an audible yell when she gave the money back. He also palmed and stole 15k off her stack at the end of the night, likely thinking he might not be getting paid. You can see her and RIP, the other player at the table who paid for her to play, try to silently communicate with each other multiple times throughout the night, mouthing their cards to each other for example. As almost always happens in these situations however, the majority of people have never seen that evidence, and it's basically impossible to get an actual admission of guilt or undeniable proof. So she's just been denying it to this day, and enough people aren't familiar enough with the details that they believe her. For what it's worth though, I don't believe she's won any tournaments or any kind of considerable money every since.
I think she was convinced that when she called she thought she was on a straight draw. Which would make Ace high argument make sense. And when she called all in she said I shouldn't have called, and 99% of the time she would have paid for the mistake. But this was the 1% where she got extremely lucky. I think she just read the board wrong.
A bluff? Going for a pair of Jacks? Nah, she knew the exact sequence of cards in the deck... Seems like she was just doing something dumb for a laugh and got lucky.
Why are so many people saying this, including charlie. It was a professional setting. I've watched so many hours of pro play. Nobody goes all in with high card "for a laugh"
@Lom You can literally see other professional players making ridiculous plays like this (one in particular) and they don't get any backlash or accusations. The guy was just an egotistical prick and couldn't handle the fact that someone won a game of chance by sheer luck. Most professional poker players would rather die than admit there's any luck involved because that would diminish their ego as a "professional poker player."
@@Edward-Not-Elric everyone knows there’s luck involved. Nobody is making that call, then saying “I thought you had a queen” as the reason for calling. She only had jack high. Why would she call knowing she would lose? Idk just seems weird
She is so ignorant for giving him the money she won back, makes her look bad and now he can use that to make himself look right. When he’s just a edgy boi who’s ego got hurt bc a lost a hand he didn’t see coming to someone he judged as less than himself.
yeah but I bet she just felt bad.. I mean the guy looked like his soul left him body :( but now ppl r using that as an “ah-ha!” Thing.. it’s just a very weird situation I feel.. maybe she just thought he wouldn’t feel so sad/mad if he just got the money back.. he just got butt hurt that she’s so good! 🤷♀️ and I guess twitter is just suspicious of how good she was in this.. i personally don’t think she cheated but what do u think?
I get that charlies fan base probably doesn't play poker much, but guys....she didn't make a good play. If she did, this wouldn't be an issue. They would've congratulated her for the play and laughed it off, like poker players do. The play she made is quite literally baffling and makes zero sense in a professional setting. (Not even including her reason was she thought he had Ace high...when that STILL would've beaten her hand.) Just look into some basic poker strategy and you'll see that nobody ever in a professional setting would call that bluff. You can cope all you want saying she better or that he didn't see it coming. Nobody in their right mind is making that play.
@@applwrd she either cheated or made the dumbest play ever, got embarrassed then offered the money back so they'd hopefully forget her wonky play. There's no way she made that call in her right mind, on purpose. Hence why she gave the money back
Basically she made a call no one would generally make unless they were A. Goofing off, which 90% of the time results in losing money, but in freak circumstances it works out. B. They know what the board will look like they’ll call since they will still win with their hand if the board bricks. But she said some dumb stuff that made it look like the latter
I would actually love to see a game invented or categories of games where cheating is encouraged, so chess but your lowed to cheat. but you have to try not to get caught as well. man that would be so cool to see, especially with poker. how inventive people would get. it would likely be the fairest games of anything ever, because everyone is cheating if that makes sense.
@m oh, ive heard of UNO but never played. i never knew that. i meant more like a card game with the cards you use in poker, or even a poker game itself, where cheating is encouraged. but man, now i wanna check out uno.
Maybe not have them try and hide it though, it would be fun to see gizmos and whatnot. Plus, if they get good enough they could sneak the cheating devices into noncheating games. But I like the concept
It’s weird but she coulda read him as weak. He was acting kinda nervous. She coulda put him on the straight draw and her J high would be good if it bricks. He made a shit play pushing on a draw, got called and got salty.
During the same tournament a guy who got to see the monitors that show their cards was caught taking some of her chips. He was also followed by her on social media but when confronted about it she said she had no idea who the guy was. Not saying she did cheat but this makes it look much worse.
Bro this is what happens when you go chasing a straight draw. You end up a card short and you get beat up by some stupid high card, or literally any other hand.
people getting mad cuz she bluffed and won. isnt that poker? like she says ''its not about what i have, its about what i dont think you have when you play against me'' thats literally the reason people play poker. he's just salty he lost to her testing him to see how he'd react to her play, and it worked.
That wasn’t really a bluff. If it was it was shitty one. Plus she flat out said she thought he had a hand that would’ve beat her. So there’s not really any “it’s about what I think you don’t have”
@@MountainJew69 yeah i can see how her saying that she thought he had a better hand seems weird af. but what do i know, i learned how to play poker from Red Dead Redemption and a poker game where Glad0s was the host. tho i admit many a time if i thought someone had a better hand and were raising etc, i would go all in and they would tend to fold. i know its not that simple in real life, but some of them would fold and i'd have nothing, and theyd fold with great hands.
I like how they think she cheated when he literally bricked worse then her and lost TWICE. Hes pissed the cards didnt work for him because statistical he had "the better hand". What a loser.
I heard something before that people who play poker a lot don't like new people cus they make dumb moves and sometimes it works out when it shouldn't or something like that. Something about predictability but I'm just going by ear
If she had cheated she would’ve been walked off the floor out the entire place these computers don’t pick up everything it’s common and it’s even more common for someone to become sour after losing a good chunk
she bluffed, and hes salty about it. ive played poker with my friends, and for some stakes. just cuz you bluff your Jack-high all the way to the end, and everyone else folds, then GG. bluffing is definitely a thing in poker, dunno why her opponent got so triggered.
Basically with the edge sorting the specific deck had an issues with the machine that cut them getting slightly out of alignment as it cuts the cards out of the sheets and so if you look for the angle you have a better chance of telling if a card is high or low.
I thought this happened awhile ago I think i remember joe rogan or one of the podcasts i listen to talking about this like a month ago, maybe this is a different incident.
I swear, I've literally spent the last 10 or 15 minutes looking up Texas hold 'em rules, what running it twice means, how the betting works, what bricking means, all that shit, and I STILL don't understand why this guy was so mad. Because neither one of them got anything...right? Like they both lost so why does it matter? Why does he think she cheated? Like, what does he think that she did? I mean if it wasn't for Charlie saying that he lost money, I wouldn't even have known that he did lose money because why would he have? NEITHER ONE OF THEM had a good hand. So why would he lose money but she get money? I don't understand. It's super irritating and I would really like someone to explain this to me, because I'm annoyed at not getting it, despite doing my damnedest to understand why they're so pissed off here. How did he lose money if neither one of them got anything from either hand?? I understand that in running it twice that half the pot in each round goes to whoever has the highest hand, but neither one HAD the highest hand because neither one had ANYTHING. So what the hell does it matter? Why did she get money and not him, because I'm just assuming that she got money out of that but how? She didn't have shit and he didn't have shit so what's going on here??? ARGH I'M SO CONFUSED 😤😫
It's because her play wasn't just bad, it was braindead, but lady luck blessed her and she came out on top. The guy was mad because he got unlucky, and suspected that because she did such a braindead move, she must have known what the cards were, and accused her of cheating out of spite.
I'm sorry, but if someone can tell if a card is going to be high or low based on the back of the card, thats a house problem, your cards should NOT be that damn distinguishing. They make more than enough money to buy new decks every now and again to solve this issue.
It's not even a bad beat. He did not have a hand, he had the potential of a hand, neither did she. It appears she was short stacked, so she could have just taken the chance that maybe she would pair up, or maybe he couldn't even beat Jack high, which he couldn't. She put all her chips in when she had the better hand, which is what you should do. Had she river ratted him then at least I would understand being upset at a bad beat. Neither of these two were playing smart. He didn't have a big enough lead that he should be putting her all I'm on a draw, and she shouldn't be calling all her chips on a high card. But none of that means cheating it's just stupid decisions all around.
Phil ivy got in trouble for edge sorting? Thats dumb. Someone was gonna abuse that. He shouldn't get in trouble for that. I'm with Charlie. Get bet better cards.
i dont think she cheated, she probably knows garrett and his play style, and thought he was bluffing, so she called on the lucky off-chance that he had nothing
To add some more context to all the people saying he bullied her and that she didn't cheat, or whatever, a lot more evidence has come out about this and the evidence against her, while circumstantial, is pretty staggering that both her, another player at the table, and a person in the back, were all in on it. There is an HCL employee who works on the stream who had a view of all of the hole cards in the back and was feeding them to her and RIP. He even specifically moved his desk like a few weeks before so his view of the cards wouldn't be obstructed, and he also let out an audible yell when she gave the money back. He also palmed and stole 15k off her stack at the end of the night, likely thinking he might not be getting paid. All 3 of them also repeatedly lied about their relationships, that she didn't know Bryan even though they followed each other on Twitter, only for them to unfollow each other after this comes out. That her and RIP were having a romantic relationship even though they were seen being intimate. They never even mentioned that RIP staked her in the game until like half way through the night. After the video was analyzed, there are also SEVERAL different times of her and RIP trying to silently communicate with each other. Either telling each other their cards, or trying to tell the other one to stay out of the way. Again, multiple different times of them mouthing things to each other.
Dude straight up bullied her into giving the money back by threatening social and professional ostracization, then uses the fact she gave the money back to ostracize her
Imagine playing a sport or video game your entire life. Only to get shit on by someone that was most likely cheating. You wouldn’t sit there and take it either. Unless that’s what you’re into
@@chillphrog”most likely” the only thing that makes it seem that she was cheatin is that she gave the money back other than that seems like poker to me lol
@@noah7008 her reaction dose it for me like how can you just sit there and smile when you just won over 100k off one of the luckiest turns of all time
@@cbaumann3557 if I won a pot that somebody thought was impossible and they thought were goin to win even tho… it’s poker lol then yeah I’d look at them an smile because of how disturbed they’re that they can lose but I suppose you could see it your way 2 but bein in a situation kind of similar before myself (not 4 a lot of money however but still) I don’t buy it
@@noah7008 No one who is playin at a 100 grand stake is calling with jack high ever on that board with the way that is played. Thats a snap fold for literally everyone who takes poker seriously. If this was legit its literally the greatest/stupidest hero call ever made lol.
My take on this…
She made a blunder and by some extreme stroke of luck it paid off. She felt insecure winning off a mistake, so when questioned she tried to quickly make up some BS explanation on the fly, so her peers didn’t clown on her.
It backfired and made her look sus af - which led to this extremely famous poker player cornering her and basically telling her that he was going to destroy her, so she freaked out and gave the money back out of fear.
Again this backfired because it only fed into the suspicion.
I don't think she cheated, refunding him was not an admission of guilt, she was just hoping to avoid any sort of drama/fight.
Its professional poker. They play for high stakes all the time. They have security. She had friends there. The only way you give somebody a refund is out of friendly sport, when you know the hand wasn't fair. (also not for 6 figures)
Most people don't give up £130k willingly. Especially if they genuinely didn't cheat. It's quite obviously suspicious.
I don’t really think she cheated and I don’t think it’s an admission of guilt either but I cannot deny that it doesn’t look sus.
Doesn't explain why she called an all-in with Jack high. That's the most suspicious part. She didn't have much in the pot, it's an easy fold. We are supposed to believe she simply made an amazing read, yet after the read paid off, refunded the player who she read? It's incredibly suspicious. That, combined with the employee who was fired for stealing her chips, just sets off a million red flags.
@@cameronl1859 Even if someone says she had a “good read”. The best read she could have had would’ve resulted in her folding. I just wish there was a way to prove it one way or the other. Cause if it was truly luck, that’s fuckin insane. And if she actually cheated, that’s also pretty crazy
He was staring her down after that and made her uncomfortable. She says "you look like you want to kill me right now" and he just keeps staring at her so she didn't want drama with a hugely popular player. Giving up the money was certainly to avoid beef with someone with fans who she seems to have play with somewhat regularly
@TheBristow55 Wrong. To add some more context, a lot more evidence has come out about this and the evidence against her is basically staggering that both her, another player at the table, and a person in the back, were all in on it.
There was an HCL employee who works on the stream who had a view of all of the hole cards in the back and was feeding them to her and RIP. He even specifically moved his desk like a few weeks before so his view of the cards wouldn't be obstructed, and he also let out an audible yell when she gave the money back. He also palmed and stole 15k off her stack at the end of the night, likely thinking he might not be getting paid.
All 3 of them also repeatedly lied about their relationships, that she didn't know Bryan even though they followed each other on Twitter, only for them to unfollow each other after this comes out. That her and RIP were having a romantic relationship even though they were seen being intimate. They never even mentioned that RIP staked her in the game until like half way through the night.
After the video was analyzed, there are also SEVERAL different times of her and RIP trying to silently communicate with each other. Either telling each other their cards, or trying to tell the other one to stay out of the way. Again, multiple different times of them mouthing things to each other, several other suspicious hands or play in general as well.
Sounds like he's a sore loser. Poker has elements of luck and he fully felt that luck. Her giving the money back just means she doesn't want drama with someone clearly butthurt.
Other ppl said he's got a lot of friends too so she might not have wanted to get blacklisted
The biggest loser
"Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity." I think sums up this whole thing
That’s some shit a cheater would say when someone’s suspicious about them lmao
@@MountainJew69 I mean not really a cheater would never admit guilt like that. They would 100% double down on the premise that they werent cheating.
@@Scuffed_Prophet that isn't admitting guilt. It's saying that it's stupid luck rather than malicious cheating.
I'm still convinced this woman just got really lucky and this dude's following and ego pressured her into just saying 'fuck it this isn't worth it'
Same.
Same. I'm still not really understanding how this is conclusive proof of cheating. Unless she has a history of cheating.
You people wouldnt defend yourselves? You'd just roll over and give it back after you legitimately won it? I really doubt it, and if you actually would your kind of a push over.
@@ThisDonut if you hear the person you beat made a post saying you cheated with no evidence and I already had money then Yes I would return it to avoid a shit show. That is just me though drama is never worth it.
@@nealtibbs585The fact they presented no hard evidence is all the more reason to not give it. Giving it back only gives the accusations credibility. Accusing someone of cheating is an attack on their character and for one to simply say "i dont wanna deal with it" isnt defending themselves, or denying accusations. IMO my character and pride are worth the drama.
Honestly the smart thing she shouldv done? Dont even address it. Maybe make one post but other than that dont give it the time of day. It just lends credibility.
The best poker clips are always the ones where pros have the seemingly sudden realization that luck is involved and get super pissed. It's like their ego can't handle the possibility that if they could lose to a dumb play and some of their wins may have also been do to sheer dumb luck as well. Whatever the case, it's fun to watch.
its like playing monopoly and you own everything on the board exept board walk then you land on boardwalk pay up then get a chance card that sends you right back
and you lose i would be pissed to honestly
she was on edge and believe in the heart of the cards and used destiny draws, the guy just mad getting obliterated.
yet she gave the money back....
@@lom7923 i'm not updated on the matter and just wanted to make yu-gi-oh jokes thank you for updating the matter.
@@MeilynMei honestly don’t know how I didn’t get the reference 😂 guess I was too tunnel visioned atm. apologies
@@lom7923 That still doesn’t mean she cheated though did you not see the fucking look he gave her? I wouldn’t be surprised if she gave it back strictly out of fear.
@@AnthonyBlamthony they are professionals. they have security. you really think he'd attack her or do something to ruin his chances at being in any tournament going forward? he was suspicious for good reason, and was probably angry, but c'mon they are pros. and she offered the money back, he didn't go out of his way to ask for it or make any threats
The only bigger chad move is going all in literally without picking your cards up off the table. Only seen two people do that, and one was an anime character
I think I've seen Gus Hansen do it a couple times.
@@npc1386 that was the non anime character I saw do that, good job!
jojo reference
I liked for the Jojo reference
Bender from futurarma too let's be real
Was hoping this was an update on the saga 😅
same
Yeah, what's the point in uploading a week's old VOD when the vultures on CZcams already showed it weeks ago?
@@dahat1992because… because he owns it?
I clicked so fast thinking it was new
@@Securen right lmao
22:20 Bro she was giving it back because he looked like he was going to cry
he got super aggressive too
@stmsin She wasn't robbing a bank. She was playing poker.
@stmsin wasn't because she felt bad. It's because he was throwing a fit and making everything uncomfortable. Giving money to someone who accuses you of cheating but can't prove shit doesn't make sense either.
@stmsin if it's so clear, explain what she did to cheat
@stmsin Lol, you don't know. You've just been told there's hard proof but didn't understand it well enough to explain it.
Sometimes its good to not know what the fvk you're doing in poker.😂
Seriously though loll the best I've done in poker is toward the end of the night when I'm drunk and not thinking much about what I'm doing. People get so mad too when they know you're not seriously playing 😅
What I'm hearing is they're shitty that she bluffed and won
The only reason I think she may have given it back is because he’s a very popular player in the poker space. Having him accuse you publicly of cheating is a good way to get you blacklisted from future events. If a small streamer starts getting bullied by XQC they’ll probably say whatever they have to
She believed in the heart of the cards
I don’t know a thing about poker so I’m lost as shit. But damn am I invested
The poker speaks for itself.
All Garrett had was an inside out straight flush draw, not exactly a winning hand, glad she called his bs
Charlie covers some of the best drama what could we do without him
probably a whole lot of things left up only to the imagination lol
''bro i f*cking i beat Mr Beast in a fifty grand poker game off of me just doing it for the sake of content'' see, so what i said in my first comment is literally validated here, because this is no different to her doing it. her reason wasnt for content (or maybe it was who knows) but one shes like ''i'll make it back anyway'' on about the money, so like i said, this is like a twenty dollar game for these people, and to me a twenty dollar game would be equivalent to playing with grands. and two, she said he makes these moves a lot, and he's let her do this to him a lot so why is he acting surprised. its not her being dumb or cheating i dont think. its him being dumb for not knowing his opponent that he's played before, and her knowing hers. poker isnt just about your cards, its about the people you play against. this is the kind of shit you would see in a movie where the protagonist wins on the worst hand and the bad guy folds a straight flush.
Honestly I'd do the same thing, not with that much money on stake but still. I play against my friends all the time and make questionable moves and go all in and win somehow.
Making odd moves in any game will, at the very least, throw your opponent off.
And you are not and will never be a pro, so what you would do is completely irrelevant
@@HCG Chill man it's okay
It's literally a game of chance. I fuckin obliterate people in bluffing games because i do whatever i feel like doing. It doesn't matter if my hand is good or garbage. All that matters is that my opponent loses.
If you're gambling on hundreds of thousands of dollars, then surely you can afford to fuck around.
I’m confused even if she was trying to fumble him by telling him she had a crap hand, she told him she had a crap hand and it was up to him to believe her
You can pinpoint the exact moment where that guys soul leaves his body and he dies inside
Then it came back as a little whiny snothead and he started throwing a fit.
This was weird, Garret did the not cool thing of publicly accusing her of cheating with 0 evidence, just a hunch and trusting his gut. But apparently she knew an employee and he "stole" like 20k from her chips right afterward, and he had monitor of hole cards. So there was a few sus things, but for Garrett to light her up off the rip is bad etiquette at best. She claims she read him like an insta post.
Did she ever recover from his accusation tho?
@musicmeta_systems Except that after all the evidence that came out after, it's pretty tough to say anything other than he was 100% correct.
@@SophiaAstatine The evidence that came out after this was pretty staggering against her that both her, another player at the table, and an employee in the back, were all in on it and actually cheating, even if circumstantial.
The employee worked on the stream and had a view of all of the hole cards in the back and was feeding them to her and RIP. He even specifically moved his desk like a few weeks before so his view of the cards wouldn't be obstructed, and he also let out an audible yell when she gave the money back. He also palmed and stole 15k off her stack at the end of the night, likely thinking he might not be getting paid. You can see her and RIP, the other player at the table who paid for her to play, try to silently communicate with each other multiple times throughout the night, mouthing their cards to each other for example.
As almost always happens in these situations however, the majority of people have never seen that evidence, and it's basically impossible to get an actual admission of guilt or undeniable proof. So she's just been denying it to this day, and enough people aren't familiar enough with the details that they believe her. For what it's worth though, I don't believe she's won any tournaments or any kind of considerable money every since.
I think she was convinced that when she called she thought she was on a straight draw. Which would make Ace high argument make sense. And when she called all in she said I shouldn't have called, and 99% of the time she would have paid for the mistake. But this was the 1% where she got extremely lucky. I think she just read the board wrong.
A bluff?
Going for a pair of Jacks?
Nah, she knew the exact sequence of cards in the deck...
Seems like she was just doing something dumb for a laugh and got lucky.
Why are so many people saying this, including charlie. It was a professional setting. I've watched so many hours of pro play. Nobody goes all in with high card "for a laugh"
@@lom7923 I didn’t know that qualified you to being a mind reader, when did you discover your powers? Before or after hour 65 of watching poker clips?
@@AnthonyBlamthony after
@Lom You can literally see other professional players making ridiculous plays like this (one in particular) and they don't get any backlash or accusations.
The guy was just an egotistical prick and couldn't handle the fact that someone won a game of chance by sheer luck. Most professional poker players would rather die than admit there's any luck involved because that would diminish their ego as a "professional poker player."
@@Edward-Not-Elric everyone knows there’s luck involved. Nobody is making that call, then saying “I thought you had a queen” as the reason for calling. She only had jack high. Why would she call knowing she would lose? Idk just seems weird
She is so ignorant for giving him the money she won back, makes her look bad and now he can use that to make himself look right. When he’s just a edgy boi who’s ego got hurt bc a lost a hand he didn’t see coming to someone he judged as less than himself.
yeah but I bet she just felt bad.. I mean the guy looked like his soul left him body :( but now ppl r using that as an “ah-ha!” Thing.. it’s just a very weird situation I feel.. maybe she just thought he wouldn’t feel so sad/mad if he just got the money back.. he just got butt hurt that she’s so good! 🤷♀️ and I guess twitter is just suspicious of how good she was in this.. i personally don’t think she cheated but what do u think?
I get that charlies fan base probably doesn't play poker much, but guys....she didn't make a good play. If she did, this wouldn't be an issue. They would've congratulated her for the play and laughed it off, like poker players do. The play she made is quite literally baffling and makes zero sense in a professional setting. (Not even including her reason was she thought he had Ace high...when that STILL would've beaten her hand.) Just look into some basic poker strategy and you'll see that nobody ever in a professional setting would call that bluff. You can cope all you want saying she better or that he didn't see it coming. Nobody in their right mind is making that play.
@@applwrd she either cheated or made the dumbest play ever, got embarrassed then offered the money back so they'd hopefully forget her wonky play. There's no way she made that call in her right mind, on purpose. Hence why she gave the money back
@@lom7923 as someone who know absolutely nothing about poker, I guess she cheated then..
@@applwrd there is a chance she didn’t. Don’t wanna say she did for sure. It’s just very very odd
Didn't Charlie cover this like 2 months ago?
Edit: Yeah, I remember this exact section. This stream is minimally from September.
you can see in the bottom right corner on his computer that this is from then
The sound of all the chips stacking up for so long😂😂
Sometimes when I’m feeling down I’m come and watch this then i remember im not Garrett in this moment
This is when you retire from poker because you realize the game and its odds actually suck.
There is a studio c episode that looks just like this moment in the poker game
certified bazinga moment
Ive watched 60% of the video and still have no idea what bricking is 😭
Needs more drama/cheating content. I'm hooked.
This Garret guy got beat by a girl and is chugging Copium😂
Seen this clip before lol how old is this clip? before the Chess drama im pretty sure lol
wait this has already been posted right?
yes
It's fairly old
people ask why she would return the money if she didnt cheat but why would she return it if she did cheat? presumably she would cheat to get the money
Dude he stopped working cause he’s trying to figure out how she would have cheated
someone please explain the clip for people like me who have no idea whats going on
uno gone wild or sum ig
Basically she made a call no one would generally make unless they were A. Goofing off, which 90% of the time results in losing money, but in freak circumstances it works out. B. They know what the board will look like they’ll call since they will still win with their hand if the board bricks. But she said some dumb stuff that made it look like the latter
Magnus has been playing poker recently, do you think it's possible this is what made Magnus accuse hans?
I would actually love to see a game invented or categories of games where cheating is encouraged, so chess but your lowed to cheat. but you have to try not to get caught as well. man that would be so cool to see, especially with poker. how inventive people would get. it would likely be the fairest games of anything ever, because everyone is cheating if that makes sense.
@m oh, ive heard of UNO but never played. i never knew that. i meant more like a card game with the cards you use in poker, or even a poker game itself, where cheating is encouraged. but man, now i wanna check out uno.
Maybe not have them try and hide it though, it would be fun to see gizmos and whatnot. Plus, if they get good enough they could sneak the cheating devices into noncheating games.
But I like the concept
Hey man, great video, but your outros are so loud, could you tone it down just a bit?
I think I seen this before. I think I seen an update and they said there was a device in the ring but idk.
The guy was just a little baby about losing. End of case
The poker community is so ridiculous on playing odds this wouldn't have been crazy 20 years ago
It’s weird but she coulda read him as weak. He was acting kinda nervous. She coulda put him on the straight draw and her J high would be good if it bricks. He made a shit play pushing on a draw, got called and got salty.
@stmsin”he” is the most popular poker player and has the full ability to have her (an amateur poker player) blacklisted from future events
Cleavage as a form of distraction. Not a bad strategy.
honestly, i think shes just being a top tier degen
With all the cameras an everything, the only way to cheat would be to have it in with the dealer, right? And they'd have to be Vegas-level, even then.
Brotha the MGM is a Vegas casino this was Vegas level
During the same tournament a guy who got to see the monitors that show their cards was caught taking some of her chips. He was also followed by her on social media but when confronted about it she said she had no idea who the guy was. Not saying she did cheat but this makes it look much worse.
It’s honestly just more impressive if she cheated lol
Why are some of the cards greyed out on the graphics like at 6:50?? Just a random question
They highlight important/relevant cards.
Bro this is what happens when you go chasing a straight draw. You end up a card short and you get beat up by some stupid high card, or literally any other hand.
people getting mad cuz she bluffed and won. isnt that poker? like she says ''its not about what i have, its about what i dont think you have when you play against me'' thats literally the reason people play poker. he's just salty he lost to her testing him to see how he'd react to her play, and it worked.
It's also about making you think I have something that I don't.
That wasn’t really a bluff. If it was it was shitty one. Plus she flat out said she thought he had a hand that would’ve beat her. So there’s not really any “it’s about what I think you don’t have”
@@MountainJew69 yeah i can see how her saying that she thought he had a better hand seems weird af. but what do i know, i learned how to play poker from Red Dead Redemption and a poker game where Glad0s was the host. tho i admit many a time if i thought someone had a better hand and were raising etc, i would go all in and they would tend to fold. i know its not that simple in real life, but some of them would fold and i'd have nothing, and theyd fold with great hands.
I like how they think she cheated when he literally bricked worse then her and lost TWICE. Hes pissed the cards didnt work for him because statistical he had "the better hand". What a loser.
Is that Mutahar yelling in the background?
I heard something before that people who play poker a lot don't like new people cus they make dumb moves and sometimes it works out when it shouldn't or something like that. Something about predictability but I'm just going by ear
What does it mean the "brick"
Damn this Garrett guy sounds like he is grasping at straws, the more he talks the less I believe he was cheated, taking the extreme L here.
I mean if all cards dispelled are rfid the true odds would be better calculated
If she had cheated she would’ve been walked off the floor out the entire place these computers don’t pick up everything it’s common and it’s even more common for someone to become sour after losing a good chunk
Wait there was something going on? Sorry I was to distracted.
How would she even cheat? And how is it going to "brick", what is that?
brick, when the next card doesnt improve your hand
she bluffed, and hes salty about it. ive played poker with my friends, and for some stakes. just cuz you bluff your Jack-high all the way to the end, and everyone else folds, then GG. bluffing is definitely a thing in poker, dunno why her opponent got so triggered.
Basically with the edge sorting the specific deck had an issues with the machine that cut them getting slightly out of alignment as it cuts the cards out of the sheets and so if you look for the angle you have a better chance of telling if a card is high or low.
wish we could see twitch chat during this
I love doing what she does. I once bluffed on a pair of 2s and made my cousins fold. One had a straight and the other had 4 of a kind lmfao
im not an experienced poker player but its def something I would do with a jack high and a pair of tens in the pot.
@@Someyy. ey yo if you have the $$$ to be playing the big leagues like that I assume you have money to throw away
Idk anything about poker so for a moment i thought she was distracting him with her rack.
Poker players when someone gets lucky in a luck based game: "impossible they must be cheating"
I thought this happened awhile ago I think i remember joe rogan or one of the podcasts i listen to talking about this like a month ago, maybe this is a different incident.
This vod is from awhile ago, you can see the date on the bottom left if the screen
So she was working with the dealer then? I don't see how else she could know.
I swear, I've literally spent the last 10 or 15 minutes looking up Texas hold 'em rules, what running it twice means, how the betting works, what bricking means, all that shit, and I STILL don't understand why this guy was so mad. Because neither one of them got anything...right? Like they both lost so why does it matter? Why does he think she cheated? Like, what does he think that she did? I mean if it wasn't for Charlie saying that he lost money, I wouldn't even have known that he did lose money because why would he have? NEITHER ONE OF THEM had a good hand. So why would he lose money but she get money? I don't understand.
It's super irritating and I would really like someone to explain this to me, because I'm annoyed at not getting it, despite doing my damnedest to understand why they're so pissed off here. How did he lose money if neither one of them got anything from either hand?? I understand that in running it twice that half the pot in each round goes to whoever has the highest hand, but neither one HAD the highest hand because neither one had ANYTHING.
So what the hell does it matter? Why did she get money and not him, because I'm just assuming that she got money out of that but how? She didn't have shit and he didn't have shit so what's going on here??? ARGH I'M SO CONFUSED 😤😫
It's because her play wasn't just bad, it was braindead, but lady luck blessed her and she came out on top. The guy was mad because he got unlucky, and suspected that because she did such a braindead move, she must have known what the cards were, and accused her of cheating out of spite.
Maybe she hacked the time stream and looked ahead.
I can’t believe we never considered this… have you ever considered applying to Harvard?
I'm sorry, but if someone can tell if a card is going to be high or low based on the back of the card, thats a house problem, your cards should NOT be that damn distinguishing. They make more than enough money to buy new decks every now and again to solve this issue.
i need this explained to me like im a mentally weak 5 year old
First cod hackers now poker hackers
Lmao how tides have turned.
Bro just sounds mad he lost to a woman
men are better
@@pvsweetypie penguin are better
@@act01charlies are better
Huh...
I don't trust 'er.
Unless she was drunk.
Is that the dude from survivor?
Maybe he starts bleeding from his eye when he’s bluffing!
The only way she could cheated is if she knew what was coming up on board, _and_ what he had.
It's not even a bad beat. He did not have a hand, he had the potential of a hand, neither did she. It appears she was short stacked, so she could have just taken the chance that maybe she would pair up, or maybe he couldn't even beat Jack high, which he couldn't. She put all her chips in when she had the better hand, which is what you should do. Had she river ratted him then at least I would understand being upset at a bad beat. Neither of these two were playing smart. He didn't have a big enough lead that he should be putting her all I'm on a draw, and she shouldn't be calling all her chips on a high card. But none of that means cheating it's just stupid decisions all around.
I don’t understand how she would’ve cheated that lol no shot ? She even said she didn’t have shit when she called it ?
She bluffed and got lucky, dude cant accept he was beaten by luck
I thought she cheated at first, but I don't think she did, this is how I play Mahjong all the time.
Get good?
entire game is luck, homie just salty it was a woman that had more than him this time
Phil ivy got in trouble for edge sorting? Thats dumb. Someone was gonna abuse that. He shouldn't get in trouble for that. I'm with Charlie. Get bet better cards.
I don't think she cheated. Especially running it twice probably meant she was hoping to get lucky.
Simply outplayed
My take... she don't care bout money
i dont think she cheated, she probably knows garrett and his play style, and thought he was bluffing, so she called on the lucky off-chance that he had nothing
Taking a risk isn't cheating no matter how big
To add some more context to all the people saying he bullied her and that she didn't cheat, or whatever, a lot more evidence has come out about this and the evidence against her, while circumstantial, is pretty staggering that both her, another player at the table, and a person in the back, were all in on it.
There is an HCL employee who works on the stream who had a view of all of the hole cards in the back and was feeding them to her and RIP. He even specifically moved his desk like a few weeks before so his view of the cards wouldn't be obstructed, and he also let out an audible yell when she gave the money back. He also palmed and stole 15k off her stack at the end of the night, likely thinking he might not be getting paid.
All 3 of them also repeatedly lied about their relationships, that she didn't know Bryan even though they followed each other on Twitter, only for them to unfollow each other after this comes out. That her and RIP were having a romantic relationship even though they were seen being intimate. They never even mentioned that RIP staked her in the game until like half way through the night.
After the video was analyzed, there are also SEVERAL different times of her and RIP trying to silently communicate with each other. Either telling each other their cards, or trying to tell the other one to stay out of the way. Again, multiple different times of them mouthing things to each other.
She was lucky, he was a sore loser. He bullied her into giving the money back and then kept bullying her to save face.
ive gone all in with worse hands i dont think shes cheating