Teenage Boys Take Advantage Of A Disabled Girl | Law & Order
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A heated debate takes over the courtroom when teenage boys are accused of sexually assaulting a disabled girl.
From "Damaged" (Season 8, Episode 22): Detectives Briscoe and Curtis (Jerry Orbach, Benjamin Bratt) take on a double shooting case; McCoy and Ross (Sam Waterston, Carey Lowell) prosecute the alleged gang rape of a girl with disabilities.
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"She has the mind of a child!"
"She's curious about her sexuality!"
Yeah a harsh truth is, children do get curious about their sexuality, some earlier than others, that doesn't make it fucking okay
I know it's a show but there are people who actually make these arguments
some RED STATES
just made marrying children
LEGAL
Yeah we can’t hide stuff like this from them forever as children to grow up to be adults
@@ArkhamKnight-uj6ww
So exploit ppl who have a mind of a child that doesn't understand what consent means?
@@privatecaboose250 oh sorry I hadn’t watched it fully yet
I work in this community and let me tell you trying to get the people you support to understand their sexuality is very difficult but it's even more difficult to explain to them about inappropriate sexual experience especially when they can't talk or can't react like a typical person
Seeing her struggle with describing being raped and taken advantage of is so heart breaking. Whoever the actress is really did a good job of portraying such a character.
@@LoveShackSarah88 exactly I liked her in the show& she was STUNNING... but I think she changed sooo much , in only 3 years.look how different she is ( I read it's 1998 ,this one).
@@sarahm7086 Oh my God. That's why it's called ACTING. Anyone can be anyone. She did a great job. 🤦🏾♀️
Your comment is not frustrating or unexpected just disappointing it just shows the level of woke ideology in today's society and you would be the type of person who would enable or participate in this type of crime l@@sarahm7086
@@sarahm7086 I'm fairly certain that if they gotten an adult actress with the mind of a child, she wouldn't have been able to act the scene as well as Lauren did.
RAIN: I disagree. A real retarded person DOES NOT behave like she did. She was not well trained for this type of role.
"They told me not to say anything to anybody...sorry." The fact she showed remorse for being a snitch while the three men spared no quarter in taking her innocence.
I agree; it wasn't even her fault that they did what they did. She was just being obedient because that's what she knows; if someone tells her to do something, she's going to do it because she was told to. I am so angry at those boys; they need to go to prison; maybe the inmates will teach them their lesson!
@@gabbylopez9091 bend them over and make them go through what she went through
Innocence? She knew what she was doing she said so. Stop simping, women aren’t angels.
@@masterpeace3591 leave it to a fuckin nerd that still plays with YuGiOh cards to be misogynistic
@@marissacoleman4947 hey watch it those cards are worth more than your pathetic life
Even without the disability… still wrong. That judge is sick
It’s a show but some judges act like this in real life it’s sick
How is it wrong without the disability?? They’re the same age
I don't condone what happened to her but she indicated that she liked it! She showed no signs of getting beat up or signs of fear!
WRONG or against the law? Learn the difference.
@@gagejernigan5277 a girl socially pressured into a gang bang cannot give consent. It can happen to anyone regardless of disability
What a disgusting judge.
Is what he did illegal? Leading the defense to make an appeal? He's clearly biased and already made up his own verdict
@@Animedingo At the very least, I would say unethical. He was clearly enforcing his personal opinion.
@@Animedingo Judges are supposed to be Impartial. Pretty sure attorneys can have the Judge removed for being Biased.
@@IamCanadian3333 that ethicality usually goes away when a huge amount of money is involved
@@albireotheredguard1599 It's funny because the reasons judge usually over-rule a jury verdict is if they feel they are prejudiced. Ironically, this judge seems very prejudiced.
I believe this was inspired by an actual case of high school boys abusing a mentally challenged girl. I also believe they were convicted without a jerk judge overturning the convictions.
Yes, I remember they had a lifetime movie about it.
@@oreldean Our Guys: Outrage at Glen Ridge
Good. They should be buried underneath the prison imho.
@@cryptidian3530 I am glad they went to prison. The mentally disabled are not a sexual resource for predators!
@@RenaMichelle My ex was living in Glen Ridge when that incident happened. The movie took many liberties but he said sadly the guys who did it, once released went on with life and got jobs, etc. No real long term effects.
A case like this happened in my town awhile back, a girl was sexually assaulted, and the judge dismissed the case at trial, and the judge took a lot of heat over it, he was stripped of his position, and had his law license revoked.
Glad that judge was fired
Do judges need law licenses? I thought they were elected and this only need to be dismissed….
@@59master60 Good. He Was Stripped Of Everything He Has.
Were You Stripped Of Everything You Has? Thanks
I wear diapers
What the judge basically said is
“She had the time of her life” as in
“If I had a shot I woulda joined in too”
Disgusting
I'd hate to hear what he says regarding pedophiles.
How soft are you
Real life the judge would have been disbarred and the defense motion dismissed
@@krishnasanyal7 I’d hope so.
@K K This is not real life. Don't know where you are from but in my country this happens rarely. The judges would be in jail for such behaviour
I'm in shock watching this with my jaw on the floor. She tells everyone exactly what those boys did to her and the man asks "Did you enjoy it?" ?!?! I couldn't believe he was serious! The worst part is the judge allowed this whole thing! I absolutely can't believe this was the standard treatment for victims back then. I'm shook 😳
If I was this girls dad I would have gotten up and punched him right in the face for saying that.
Not just back then, it's still happening today which sickens me since as McCoy said, how she was dressed shouldn't be relevant to a court case in any way.
but she did like it?
Even worse this was based on a real case that took place in Glen Ridge. NJ it was so disturbing it never left my mimd
@@adamlouis3725 irrelevant. And they did point out that she has some mental problems.
One of the best, if disturbing, episodes. I think the judge said enough to constitute an ethics violation, for instance saying the girl "had the time of her life".
yeah I don't think an actual judge would say that
how can anyone even call him "your HONOR" after saying and believing such vile things! I puked in my mouth watching this, and it makes me want to stab myself in the eye. Or crush the balls of every man who would side with the defendants with a giant gavel and watch them eat it unseasoned... I can't decide.
I also don’t think that the judge themselves would unilaterally ask the defense if they’d like to motion for a mistrial/dismissal ~AFTER~ a jury reached a verdict. That’s something that a good lawyer would’ve requested prior to a jury going to discuss the final verdict
I always thought that once a verdict was reached that the appeals process began (if sought); in a different courtroom with a difference judge on a different date… not in front of the jury 5 seconds after the verdict was read and instantly granted after being lead by the judge of the trial, lol
I think that this judged should be disbarred and convicted for official corruption, but the cold reality is that officials like him do exist and that they can get away with these crimes. I remember when a teenager with autism was shot mercilessly by the police and yet I haven’t heard anything about them being punished. Not only does it prove that there is no true justice, but that the meak will not inherit the earth.
I agree it is gross and disgusting
The audacity to say " did you enjoy it?"
"What were you wearing?" DISGUSTING
Well we would never know if she enjoyed if it wasn't asked. Don't be a hypocrite, higher IQs take advantage of you and you don't even know it and think it is normal.
Disgusting
As a disabled adult I get this. I was taken advantage of as a teen at work and just wanted to be accepted. I wanted attention too. I think this actress did an a amazing job. The way the boys looked all guilty and she said “sorry” for saying something. That killed me. The fact the judge was so blind to see it. That a girl like that will get hurt one day for it. It’s sick
I have autism and it's one of the reasons why I am afraid to date. It's horrifying that disabled people might get taken advantage of and we could be failed by the justice system. I am so sorry this happened to you 🫂
I’m pretty sure everyone who had any kind of sexual experience when they were twelve and who thought it was cool at the time grew up to realize they were taken advantage of.
yes but imagine not getting to the point where you realize it
Sexual exploitation has ruined many lives.
Yes
I have autism. My father used to abuse me like that since I was really young. I remember liking it because it felt funny and it made my dad happy (if he wasn't happy, he would get drunk and hit me, my sister and mother)
I'm 21 now. I haven't seen him since I turned 14 and woke up to what kind of abuse I endured for so long because I didn't know better.
@@A5H_01 Sorry this happened to u
"Did you enjoy it?"
"What were you wearing?"
Absolutely disgusting
Exactly
A) She said yes.
B) She admitted she would wear skimpy clothes to intentionally get the attention of the boys.
You are trying to imply that the boys forced themselves on her and are using her clothes as an excuse, but in this specific instance her clothes BY HER OWN ADMISSION was relevant.
@@InitialPC she couldnt consent tho, she had the mental age of a 12 year old, 12 year olds cannot consent
@@InitialPC she has the mind of a child and those rapists knew it….
@@InitialPC she mentally disabled she didn’t know what she was doing! They took advantage of her.
it doesn’t matter if she was disabled or not, she should have NEVER been assaulted
@@KenBroo0 Three against one. Pack mentality like animals.
She wasn't assaulted, it's just a bad show.
@@JaylukKhan No just three invincible pack mentality little losers took advantage of her.
@@JaylukKhanrape is not assault? You kidding?
@@DialitDown she wasn't raped. The narrative wants us to think she was raped because they think disabled people can't give consent.
The sad thing is that her dad was probably making her wear "boring" clothes to prevent this very sort of thing from happening. She probably didn't understand that it was for her own good, which is why she changed her clothes at school.
She wasn't a victim, she initiated it.
@@MrBen51309 Wtf is wrong with you?
@@MrBen51309 really? wow
@@MrBen51309 huh?
@@MrBen51309 dumbest CZcams comment.
Honestly this is making me mad. Why is it they always go to what a girl is wearing when she’s raped? ITS TODDLERS IN KIDS CLOTHES THAT GET TAKEN ADVANTAGE OF. Wtf does clothes have to do with a person whose mind is sick asf? Make it make sense. Victims are always treated like the guilty ones.
fr, i remember there’s a museum of victims and majority are sweaters, pants, even newborn onesies. that just shows that clothes don’t matter, clothes aren’t reasons.
They explained why
@@Slappys Their point was to prove she was aware of her seggsuality. Even if she was, that doesn't make it okay.
Hit the pricks who say that in the head with a bat. What? They weren't wearing a helmet - clearly asking for it.
I remember a young woman was raped by a taxi driver in Egypt . Get this she was wearing a FULL BURKA with gloves and everything . and they still asked her why she was alone with him!!! She got into a taxi after doing some shopping and the guy was the driver. The whole country was in up in flames . So he was quickly prosecuted but a lot of people wondered would the people protest if she wasn’t wearing any burka .
"She has the mind of a child!"
"She's curious about her own sexuality."
Yeah, so are children and even toddlers. It's natural BUT that does NOT make it okay for them to do what they did to her. She can be curious, that's fine, but even if she's physically considered 'mature' that doesn't mean it's okay for her to experience psychologically.
You can also clearly tell she didn't fully understand it either.
@@trinitylivingston1286 true plus the fact are not straight cases like this take months of questioning
@@ultimatemanny yea
Toddlers aren't curious about their sexuality tf
@@lunosol8914 there are rare illnesses that can cause puberty as early as 5 years old
so it can happen but its rare AF
The thing they did with the bottle made me sick to my stomach. They absolutely should get expelled from school if not arrested. This girl was underdeveloped and clearly could not make a rational decision. I feel so sorry for her
dont understand what did the bottle mean
@@misiranuhito01 they put it in her V. That's disgusting.
@@ronniselvan6243 Sexual Intercourse Boys vs Girls?
Well, they were arrested. That’s why they were at trial. They just didn’t get convicted.
@@nobodyburgen4594I have a fantasy of being treated like a little girl
i went to college with a girl like this. she very much had the mind of a child but she was curious. freshman year a few guys took advantage of her state. luckily a few other female students took her under their wing and she joined a sorority and was able to have a normal life. last i checked she was living at a group home after it was deemed she couldn't function alone.
I joined the military when I was 25. A female the age of 28 with the same mental capacity as what was portrayed in this joined at about the same time (28 with the mental capacity of a 16 year old). We had the same rate (job). She very much slept with ANYONE who was willing, which was very few people. I'm pretty disgusted at the few guys who were willing. No, I don't think they knew she was mentally challenged. Her parents did everything in their power to help her get through the checks of being recognized as mentally challenged so she could pretend to live a normal life.
How did she get into college?
She applied. Lol!😂
Same question I had
@@JoeCnNdIt's possible for a person to have developmental delays but still be able to study and get good grades.
She had the time of her life?! Even if she was curious she still wasn’t capable of understanding what she was doing !!!!!
I fully agree!
I still hate this episode. And I love the series itself.
Aside from Micheal being moved after punching that homophobic Politician in the face.
She understand what she was doing. She thought about doing it all the time according to her.
@@hahahaha147 Thinking about things and understanding the same things are two different things. Don't forget that this is an entertainment show from America (sometimes based on a real event or historical event). In this show those three males are guilty (or would be by Australian Law). It seems that in America a judge can overrule a jury's verdict which in my own personal view is wrong. However, again, remember, this sow is entertainment only and it seems to have a LOT of people angered.
@@hahahaha147 she said he was bouncing on her. she doesn’t even understand.
at 10 years old i was curious about those things too. so a grown man could take advantage of me at that age?
What’s sickening is society doesn’t care about disabled people they don’t care what happens to them society needs to protect disabled people more and prevent harm coming towards them
Most of society does care but unfortunately some people are just ignorant. What's more upsetting is that some in positions of power are just cruel and sick people. They have their own opinions and nothing will ever change their mind
They only care when it's convenient.
Clearly the jury cared but the judge didn’t.
People with mental disorders are also disabled
@@Songsthesecond i know that
Im an autistic male and I've sadly been taken advantage of twice by women Once when i was 6 and once when i was 9 and seriously it will ALWAY stick with me and personally it made me somewhat scared of women (beside my mother and grandmother) and I honestly can understand what the girl went through and i feel HORRIBLE
I’m so sorry that happened to you :( Be strong 💜
I am so sorry that, that happened to you. People are absolutely awful and the women who did this to you are evil.
I truly hope you are doing well ❤
Okay you need to feel confidence in yourself- strength. Then you hopefully won’t be afraid of women.
Honestly some women are just horrible
This should have never happened to you, what people do, what those women did, is disgusting and are the reason it is so difficult to live as yourself in this world.
"She had the time of her life."
Weeks, and even months later, judge wonders why his home is constantly vandalized.
No judge would ever say that, this show was so ridiculous
@@lawrenceragnarok1186judges have and still will
@@ninobeano7627 actually no they don't, you can't nane one judge that's ever talked this way
@@ninobeano7627 examples?
@@user-iz3wi4rg6j It seems, on the evidence, that this child has not suffered as a result of these offences” - Judge Hutton, talking about an 8 year old girl who had been sexually abused for a year by a convicted child molester.
As a disabled teen about the same age, this is absolutely disgusting, but unfortunately it happens to disabled girls (and sometime guys) all the time. Also, the r-word is never a good word to use around disabled people.
I'm adhd
Retarded is the medical term, if you don't like it tough. Also you can't just self diagnose yourself
@@comserv1 there’s a difference between being lazy and inattentive and having adhd, maybe do some research and you’ll find out just how different our brain chemistry is❤️
This is an older episodes (earlier 2000’s) so it was seen as more okay back then- I hate the word too
@@comserv1 Adhd isn't a desies
What's even more sickening is cases like Brock Turner show that judges like this exist.
Yup
This was based on a real case, look up Outrage in Glen Ridge 😢
Yup
@@amazingabby25 The book "Our Guys" really opened my eyes to this case. We had a girl in our high school whom had to be sequestered to the library because she was sexually battered by a male student.
I came to the comments to say something about the similarity between what the jushe said about her having had the time of her life, and Brock's dad's comment about 20 minutes of action.
@7:55 the judge says " she had the time of her life" that line almost made me want to puke.
same wtf
That's hot
It's sadly true.
Bet if this had been real life he would have been put on the register as he sounded like a pervert.
Multiple things can be true at the same times.
Liv and Stabler would be HEATED about this case
Even though she was curious, there’s no way they should’ve ever touched her.
I’m disgusted for Valerie.
She doesn’t understand she was sexually violated. They don’t like her, they used her for their own gratification.
Just because a person talks a certain way doesn't mean they are mentally disabled. I fully blame the parents for not informing anyone of her condition and putting her in a place she was not mentally capable of handling
Are you arguing Disabled adults can’t give consent
@@treroney4720 no they can give consent, it’s just this situation reads humiliation for the girl bc they used her like a receptacle.
@@treroney4720 If the disabled adult has a brain of a 12 year old, no. That's literally the point here, not any disability, it's about her being mentally 12.
@@sakaiahreign3365 Isn't that what she wanted though? She admitted she liked the attention, "It made her feel pretty".
Seriously? As someone with a learning disability myself, this angers me. Those boys deserve to be guilty.
Agree
They were found guilty, but weren't punished, which reinforces the generalized suspicion that the justice system only works for some people. Whether these fictional boys suffer any abstract consequences such as guilt or shame, and whether those things compel anyone to do better, is up for speculation. One hopes that having a 'close call' forces a reconsideration of impulses.
daniela: My regards to Nicolae Ceaucescu
They did nothing wrong. She came on to them, she dressed in the way to attract them, she pursued them, etc. Her retardation is on her parent to deal with, not for others to adapt to and recognize. They aren't experts, how the hell can a 15 year old be expected to identify rtards by a few sentences. If that were the case then they shouldn't be at the same school as others as it makes it unfair for those who are there to learn but also have to deal with that type of nuisance around that may get them blamed for something.
Settle down chickypoo. It's just a show. Besides that, a learning disability is nowhere near this level.
The fact they also used a soda bottle on her and the judge had the audacity to overturn their conviction is just so ludicrous
Their characters looked sadistic along with that perv minded judge.
the fact things like this actually happen is so disgusting and judges like that should loose licenses
The questions that man's asking her are disgusting and upsetting. I get that it's his job to defend the boys, but it still makes my stomach churn. And the fact that the judge not only allowed all of those questions, but clearly WANTED the boys to win. The ending of this clip is ridiculous. What a twisted human being. I know it's only a show of course, but judges like this do exist. That girl is chronologically 18 years old, but in her mind she's more like 10. She's a 10-year-old mind with a teenager's body and hormones. That's extremely dangerous and these boys took advantage of that, and the judge completely dismissed it. Disgusting.
Before I reply to this, I want you to disregard my username. First, currently, I work as an investigator and at times defense will win on technicalities. I've worked with a lot of lawyers before and have talked to a lot of defense attorneys and when I ask them, why they ask such demining questions some have told me "its innocent till proven guilty, it's my job to make sure you're doing your job, not taking short cuts, or got the wrong person for the crime".
I disagree. I think she wanted it and liked it. These boyd are dead wrong for taking advantage of her. But I don’t believe they should have went to prison for it. The girl obviously wanted her back blown out. And i refuse to put all the blame on the young men.
Omg the comment in your comment section is so ignorant, I hope they go to jail. No one can consent if they have a mental illness or disability that makes it hard for them to acknowledge what they’re doing. Anyway I agree with you
@@hahahaha147 you’re simply wrong
@@Sandstimes i agree. Temple Grandin was autistic but she’s a genius. People shouldn’t infantilize those in the spectrum, they should take what Temple says about autism and actually use her research and experience. People, disabled or not can grow and mature depending on whether or not someone teaches them.
That judge had no business overriding the jury's verdict.
@@thunderhead9221 aint you the dude that harassed and stalked that girl? STFU
@@thunderhead9221 why???
@@scarlettethorp5864 because we all know gd well that if there genders were swapped there would have been NO case~
@@thunderhead9221 So she;s wrong because double standards exist? It would have been wrong, regardless.
@@Transylvania-kv4sg well....I wasn't looking at that~
This was disturbing to watch, especially the description of the assault.
so my boner is wrong?!,
This is disgraceful. Whether she "enjoyed" it or not is IRRELEVANT. She cannot consent, and their laughter and the fact they told her to keep quiet is proof that they knew she couldn't consent.
Everyone's a poor victim these days
Misogyny is a nasty for all women and girls. But for those with disabilities it’s terrifying. I’m neurodivergent and found myself in this hell of being assaulted.
assault isn't misogyny. that's like saying jeffery dahmer was racist because a lot of his victims were black
Misogyny? Oh c'mon it's any disabled person even men who get treated the same
@@LoopsXP women sexually assault disabled men?
How many cases have you seen of that
@@amaraokoli2799 Ok, good point, what does hatred towards women (misogyny) have to do with that?
@@chrisdawson1776 aint no way you just called someone a snowflake because they’re not like you and don’t wanna be raped
WTH?! The Jury ruled them as guilty and the Judge just lets those guys off the hook? Is that even allowed?
Definitely. A NY judge can always set aside a jury's verdict of guilty if they don't think the jury followed the law or if they believe that the prosecutor presented the minimum amount of evidence. This can be used to inject bias into the system though...
@@abduljah9355 Geez. I can sympathize with Mccoy feeling upset about this.
sadly it is....judges have way to much power with little to no over sight
Yes, it's called a directed verdict, and it's only allowed to overturn a guilty verdict (cannot overturn a not guilty verdict.) Essentially, it's supposed to act as a stopgap to protect defendants who draw a biased jury who vote guilty when, in the judge's opinion, the prosecution failed to prove a crime was committed.
Yes. They do this a couple of times on Law and Order. They even have the attorneys ask "can he do this?" and apparently, yes, a judge can.
This is so sad. Being sexually abused is my worst fear as a young disabled woman. I can be too naive and trusting because of my autism and I don’t want someone to take advantage of it
This may sound hyper-vigilant but honestly as someone who's a fem autistic and has been taken advantage of multiple times by men I thought were my friends until we were alone together, I try not to be alone with men altogether unless we are on an official date and I already like him and trust him to behave
yea its sad how some mentally disabled Men, and Women are treated
Yeah, I call bullshit. I'm autistic and we are fully capable of consenting. This episode is trash.
I know this is a movie/TV show but this is so infuriating that the boys lawyer and judge are failing her. If this was real, I would be so pissed.
How are they failing her tho? It looks like she doesn't mind what happened. And maybe she did have fun. I just have a really hard time understanding how any of this is wrong
@@laylavagina325because she is mentally handicapped so them doing that to her is like an adult doing it with a child
The girl is a good actress. Really convincing
She later played in "6 Feet Under" where she was also very good.
@@s.p.8803 6 Feet Under was the best show of early 2000's
omg yes
Yes. This is not an easy role to play especially saying that monologue in front of so many other actors.
I'm pretty sure it's the same lady from The Servant on Apple TV. She's good on that show
the most depressing thing about this is that she even apologised to them for telling everyone
Which is proof of her incapacity to consent... even the way she behaved in general and the way she spoke about what happened. It's also disgusting in general all they auctually did was penetration even if the other issues weren't involved.
J remember being 9/10 friends with a mentally disabled girl in highschool. I remember for a few weeks her telling me the “silly things” the boys at her school were telling her, like how she should come to school without underwear or other inappropriate suggestions. She was 16 but definitely even less aware than I was of what was going on :( As I grew up and realized how terrible some of the things she told me were, I pray she was never taken advantage of
The fact the judge asked the defendants lawyer to make a motion even though the kids were found guilty is gross. Most judges would have agreed or been satisfied with the verdict.
We all know it's because the Judge thought the victim was hot, and didn't want to feel guilty because she was intellectually a child. He was ready to hear her describe what she was wearing during the assault 😖
@@constantdisappointment5658 what is wrong with you
@@bonds927 there's nothing wrong with him he is honestly telling the truth
@@daxc9332 no he's not, the judge is doing his job but both of you are too blind to see it. You rather see the judge as a pervert than blame the laws 😡
@@bonds927 the judge was being a creep did you not watch the video
The judge was just enjoying her story that's how sick you can be even if you're at the top position
No he was given the evidence and no evidence proved she said no or the boys knew she was mentally disabled. The fucked up thing is you cane to that conclusion. How do we not know it was you who enjoyed the story?
If this was real life I bet that judge would have no doubt had child sexual content on his laptop as well.
For me it was the other way around, I was raped by a “mentally slow” person. No one believed me, my own school brushed it off, he would assault me on a daily basis and threaten me with blackmail if I refused. I was only 15, and he had just turned 18. Then after he got done with me he was talking to another 15 year old right in front of the bus driver about how it’s ok for him to do things with her, and the driver did nothing.
That's horrible
So sorry that happened to you ❤️
@@dfasht1304not true. He blackmailed her, so she really didn’t have a choice. That would be complying due to fear of assault, which would protect the victim under law, since she was protecting herself from physical harm. It’s unfortunate that our world is full of such horrible people:(.
@@ChronixLucid That doesn't actually matter in some jurisdictions. You can still be found guilty of raping a minor if you didn't adequately resist the minor's advances. That's how it works in my state. So yeah, I would delete the comment just to be safe.
@@Taskicore no, the commenter was the minor, the person that sexually assaulted them was an adult.
This was so disturbing 😐when they were questioning her I felt uncomfortable
This judge is a joke who cares what she was wearing what she was doing she didn't say yes and she doesn't understand what she was doing they took advantage of her.
The judge latwr was killed for trying to pick up a 17 year old, by her father. Nolo prosecutere
This isnt a real show
I wonder if this was to depict the fact that not all judges are good intent. There are horrible judges in real life. This episode could be a way to depict those types of judges.
@@HouseHoldAdventures Oh, this was a real show, all right... a 6-time Emmy winner, in fact.
This is such a grey area even today. I worked with mentally disabled adults. They are allowed to be sexual and express it. But for us workers it’s hard to see because they often become victims online and irl predators. Legally, they are adults, but mentally they are children.
That’s why I avoid the whole thing by not getting into romantic relationships with mentally disabled people 😌.
@@kaliashot99 I'm autistic, by your label "mentally disabled". I am a full grown adult and the only thing coming off your statement comes off as nothing but ignorant. Being "mentally disabled" doesn't automatically enable you into having the mental complicity of a child. Fucking yikes.
@@kaliashot99 or with people at all. Jk, but seriously though, when you're younger and don't fully understand that some of your peers have different brain developmental ages like their mind is like a childs mind, it becomes harder too. One of my guy friends has severe autism to where his mind is of a childs but I didn't fully understand that at the time and I kinda thought he was cute. Yea, at the time I remember alot of people (adults) basically discouraging it. Looking back now, I'm glad they intervened.
@@kaliashot99 Miss out then. I'm sure you'll find someone as awful as yourself
My mom also worked with disabled adults and sometimes she'd get sexually harassed or she'd have to intervene when other ones would get harassed. Her adoptive brother has a son who's a high-functioning autistic and he used to make severely inappropriate remarks about my sister and me when we were underage, and we stopped going to family things with them. Sadly, there's a huge grey area with development.
If I was in the court room I would've mouthed off the judge and asked him if he was in their pockets.
One of the few episodes I actively remember even though I must have watched it over 10 years ago, absolutely heartbreaking
"She was curious about her sexuality." Yes, and children are too. Curiosity does NOT make it okay.
EXACTLY, they should keep her away from normal people
@@twistedkarma9574 What normal people?
@@twistedkarma9574 dude what
@@twistedkarma9574excuse me what
It was OK only in the limited context of what the boys may have been thinking. They might very well have not known how wrong they were. But the judge s/have known better and not thrown out the verdict. I don't know WHY they're allowed to do that. Not just this case but other cases too. The defendant has waived their right to a bench trial and wants a trial of "their peers"
A lot of people don't realize that this type of injustice happens literally all the time
Why doesn't anyone stop it and do something about it?
@@Disneyfan82 I think because most people just go by the arbitrary age of 18 being considered an “adult” so people generally think: under 18 = innocent, needs protection, don’t understand and once 18 hit, they understand completely, they’re an adult and can do what they want, no protection ect
@@Disneyfan82 I assume you're referencing the crooked judge throwing out the case and it's because it must be proven that malpractice took place. In this specific case, what the judge said at the end would be enough for some sort of action
Are we gonna ignore that the jury all agreed guilty and the judge own persona belief was like “nah”
I mean, the reasons for him dismissing it was wrong: "She enjoyed it" is obviously a ludicrously outdated point of view.
But him dismissing the case wasn't.
There was minimal to no evidence presented suggesting the boys actually did do the thing. There's no way in a million years a Jury should or would convict on such an obvious "he said, she said" scenario. It's like Jury 101 that says there actually has to be something other than hearsay before you vote guilty. But the Jurors did it anyway based on their own personal beliefs, which is why New York judges get and should use such exceptions.
And that's exactly why this episode was smart in having the Judge dismiss the case. Because it's saying:
"Yes, sometimes guilty people get away due to a lack of evidence. Sometimes Juries wrongfully convict innocent people - that's how the Justice system truly works."
And educating people like this is always good.
this is absolutely disgusting
You’d think that knowing she had the mind of a ten to twelve year old would be enough. Now if these boys weren’t aware of her condition I could understand a little bit but they clearly did and saying she “had the time of her life” is absolutely despicable that if I go into this it’s gonna be a mile long comment
my friend told me about how in her elementary school, there was a disabled girl and that this one boy would have her lie down on a table and inappropriately touch her. it's really disgusting how people take advantage of those who are weak
From the sound of it, it may be even worse than it seems. Since boys that young don't have any sexuality, they wouldn't do this unless an adult was doing it to them or they saw an adult do it to someone else. Meaning, the boy may have been molested and learned the behavior from a pedophile.
It's true. I read somewhere that patients in extended periods of coma especially women are sexually abused and several end up pregnant as a result. That's why I told my mom that at no point am I to be left alone if I ever end up in a coma.
A similar thing happened at my high school. It happened once and the perpetrator spent quite a long time in the hospital with very serious life threatening injuries. That family moved out of the area soon after as their son was a dead man walking at that point. This was in the eighties. I would like to think that men/boys still exist that mete out appropriate justice when necessary.
happens to men as well like in the old days female nurses would get them hard when they are passed out by the meds and get pregnant then when they die lie about being their girlfriend to get their stuff and paycheck from the armed forces which is why they are so hard on the marriage part.
@@johannaashwood6449 sadly the same is true for the morgue. (except for the pregancy bit)
you will find news items of morticians going to jail for desecrating a body like that
I can’t describe the rage I felt when he asked, “Did you enjoy it?”
Literal rage.
There's a judge like that in the film "Peppermint." It doesn’t end well for that particular judge.
My son's autistic. I don't blame the defense lawyer too much for that. It's part of his defense and absent questions like that, this conviction could be easily overturned on appeal, citing an inadequate defense. What boils my blood is the judge egging on the boys lawyer by asking him if he wanted a motion to vacate the verdict and that lawyer initially balks. Only after more encouragement he does request and the judge dismisses, not asking but claiming she enjoyed it.
chill brah
Just make sure not to take it out on your gf
I felt rage too. Of *course* she's going to say it made her feel pretty, but that doesn't mean she enjoyed it or asked for it! Those boys knew what they were doing and so did the judge and the defense attorney!
I'VE NEVER BEEN THIS ANGRY ABOUT A TV SHOW THIS JUDGE SHOULD BE LOCKED UP
"Face it, she had the time of her life." bro???? so many things wrong with that
This case was emotionally upsetting and the verdict was even more extremely enraging. And the fact that this was inspired by true events is infuriating.
The judge goes by the evidence provided and the only evidence the prosecutor provided was "well she talked slow so you should've easily knew she was mentally disabled"
Why? This girl was of legal age... aparrently from her mental status, this is the way she is always going to be. Are we supposed to force her to be celibate her entire life, deny her any possibility of physical love?
The people in the real case were convicted though. They're sentences were ridiculously light in my opinion and they are out, but they did serve prison time for it unlike in this case
The fact that it "enraged" you shows this was great storytelling. The writers wanted you to see it as "evil triumphs." That's why it left the audience raw.
@@brockreynolds870”this girl was of legal age”
Bro. 🤮🤮🤮
This is why I love Law and Order, they show you even the most messed up things that can happen in a court room, such as the line of questioning and the judge's responses. I'm an adult and I still am haunted by my s/ual abuse case from when I was a child. At the time I did not understand the severity and the situation because I was too young but everything stuck with me and man. There really are awful judges out there. I remember having judge judy (the famous one we all know) and she was disgusting, apparently didn't believe a teenager can r/pe a child as young as 4 years old or even 6 or 8 years old and that it could be consensual.
I’m sorry that happened to you as a kid. But as disgusting as it sounds, what the judge said at the end was not incorrect 😢
@@ghastlytree5864 What I'm saying is. It is impossible for a child to consent to stuff like that. That's why they need to be groomed and manipulated. Unfortunately the judge thought that children do have the ability to consent to stuff like that.
I am so sorry 😞
Sorry to make you explain, but did you mean she thought it counted as consensual or she didn’t? Sorry again, I have bad comprehension skills. You don’t have to explain if you don’t want to.
🤯
judges should not be allowed to overturn jury decisions
taking advantage of someone is just disgusting and they should be ashamed of themselves
The fact that there are lawyers out there actually defending boys like this, asking questions like this, getting paid for it.....it makes my blood curdle.
Yeah, having a trial by jury, and the right to a defense, just sucks, huh?
That right is what kept actual innocent men out of prison just because a woman accused them of something.
Well the defendant has the right to a lawyer, no matter what they did. And the lawyers job is try and defend and reduce the sentence as much as possibly no matter what they personally believe
Unfortunately that is the lawyers’ job. What’s really sad is there are juries who buy it
It's litteraly their job.
@@amoose1709 *literally 🤦🏼♂️
So just because she wore a crop top and mini skirt , that makes it okay for 3 boys to take advantage of her and knowing she has a condition??🤔oh okay
Thank you! There’s this thing called self-control
Too bad self control doesn't exist.
Exactly! So many comments saying it was OK cos of her clothes or she was curious. I was curious at 13 but it didn't mean I wanted to do anything smh
@@dreidon1768 For most people anyway
Just because a person talks a certain way doesn't mean they are mentally disabled
How can a jury find someone guilty and then just be dismissed?
Exactly, that's puzzling me as well. They get found guilty but then walk away free? Incredibly strange. Why is the jury there then?
Rich white boys
I’m not saying that to be disrespectful towards white people but it is true
Fictional television show
Because the jury acted almost entirely on a "he said, she said" scenario. There was minimal if any evidence suggesting those boys actually did the thing, the jury voted guilty simply because they felt sympathetic to the girl.
That's not law and evidence, that's personal feelings and opinions. The Justice System isn't there to enforce personal feelings and opinions, it's there to enforce the Law.
That's exactly what this fictional TV show was trying to get across as the message for the episode:
That good people get wrongly convicted, it happens.
That bad people get away scot-free, it happens.
That's the entire moral of the episode: Personal Opinions Vs Law, and Wrongly Convicted vs Getting Away with it.
I need to watch the whole episode. I hope the case gets appealed at the end.
When I saw this episode, when the judge throughout the verdict, I felt my heart dropped the pit of my stomach. I feel so sorry for Valerie. What really surprised me is that her sister, Sally didn't want them to get away with it and wanted to kill them. Accidentally shooting a teacher.
I understand what Sally did was to justify for what happened to her sister and she didn’t deserve it.
the episode ended with this?? they just lost thats it??
One of the most wrenching things about Law & Order was that they would show the reality that the good guys don’t always win.
@@minskacatral7904 So right
there was a real case like this
in NEW YORK STATE
back in the 1990's
where a 21 year old guy
raped a 17 year old girl
and
because of the law
regarding consent because
she was intoxicated with
the alcohol that
he gave to her to drink ,
she was unable to
legally able to consent ,
he was released by the judge
but the jury of
6 men & 6 women declared
him GUILTY & on appeal
he was retried & sentenced
to 5 years in prison
Not nearly long enough
@@victoriaherndon6857 agreed
@@victoriaherndon6857 oh I'm sure he had a good time for 5 years though.
That’s different that’s a man who raped a girl she’s not 18 years so she can’t consent.
This is based on the Glen Ridge NJ case in 1989. The actual case was more brutal, if I remember correctly
Somehow I get the feeling that sleeze ball of a judge did the same thing to a disabled girl when he was a young man, maybe still does, guy should be disbarred for those remarks at the end.
This was so heartbreaking to watch.
Wow, just wow, I'm disturbed, mind shattering that effin stupid judge, it scares me there are real ones like him all over the world!
I never understood why we allow judges to just toss out the will of the people and make their own decisions in the end. What's the point in even having a jury?
Money money money.
It’s supposed to be for cases of jury’s that are prejudiced but that definitely wasn’t the case here
Justice is subjective and open to interpretation. Slavery was acceptable 200 years ago, now it is not. In the past it was expected, (encouraged even) to flog slaves who 'misbehaved.' But that is abhorrent by today's society.
Even though they judge some aren't right to judge from what's clearly right and wrong. It's voice of opinion yeah but it's common sense on who's side to take
What if the jurors were clearly bigoted? This is an important right of any trial judge to overrule a jury if he feels justice has been perverted.
Shows how they don't teach kids empathy smh
Defending a disabled girl is woke, everything that has to do with defending somebody is woke. Stay woke, people.
“She had the time of her life” yea I would’ve went to prison that day for murder of a judge. Who df says sh!t like that? GROSS!
When she said they told her not to tell anybody and then she said sorry I felt heartbroken. They took advantage of her and nothing was done about it, what a sick judge
I love how McCoy hammered on them for trying to keep the victim quiet.
She had alot of fun
@@Suzuha_Amanedigital footprint
It's so hard to watch. I've been sa many times and it's unfathomable to imagine that people who are disabled have gone through similar trauma but aren't able to process the severity yet alone defend themselves.
"Someone must have told a joke." Oh, Honey, you were the joke. And what a cruel joke it was. 😡
"She had the time of her life."
When the judge said that, I was just utterly disgusted. He's one misogynistic coot.
Seriously, I was repulsed by most of the dialogue defending the rapist’s actions, but that one pushed me over the edge.
its funny i would
W judge
She probably did
@@Shockkings0714 has anyone ever told you that you're disgusting?
Working with vulnerable people this made me sick
Same here.
Lmao nah I would've flew at the judge like that recent video 😂😂
Te fact she apologized to them when she was testifying made me cry.
As the older brother of a mentally challenged person, this angers me. Granted, he's a guy and my brother. But, I hate it when some people go "Oh, well, they said it was okay, so there's no harm done." Meanwhile, the victim is left hanging in the wind and doesn't fully understand what's really happening. Besides, if the jury said guilty and all the evidence has been displayed proving a guilty verdict, shouldn't that be the end of it?!
As a person who has been called retarded multiple times for the way they hear my voice, I'm tired of people instantly jumping to the conclusion that if you talk funny that you're mentally disabled
What's the relevance of his gender?
@@anthonyfernandez82 I don't remember where I heard it from, but I heard that mentally challenged men aren't as easy to manipulate and persuade as women. The reason why I made it relevant was because that isn't true and I've had this argument before. Both are equally vulnerable to manipulation and persuasion, regardless of gender. Plus, my brother and I don't look alike at all, so I'm used to pointing that out when asked.
So the judge himself gave an out to the defendant. That's a clear case of mistrial, where the judge took partiality in the defendants. He wouldn't have given that exit key to the girl.
I bet if it was his daughter the case would have been a different outcome!!
@@benjamintribe4652 Most definitely
@@benjamintribe4652 if his daughter was in the case he wouldn't be the judge due to a personal connection to the victim
@@bonds927 I'm quite aware of that!!.... I was coming from perspective of if the judge was her father he would've made sure to hold those boys accountable for there actions not that he would be the actual judge presiding over said case because obviously it would be a conflict of interest but I'm pretty sure he would've fought tooth and nail to get some sort of retribution if it were the other way around ya feel me!!💯
@@benjamintribe4652 clearly you don't know what a judge's job is, the judge seen no actual evidence that proves the boys took advantage of her nor did they prove she tried to stop it. Maybe if the defendant provided more evidence besides "you talked to her so you should've known she was mentally disabled." The defense was able to prove the school did nothing to protect her nor provide information that she was mentally disabled
I wish I could see the entire episode
I know it’s a show w/actors but it doesn’t make it any less heartbreaking. Had this been my daughter those boys would’ve never made it to court. I’d be on trial but for different reasons!😡
Lol, you wouldn't do sh*t, she just got a little train ran on her, no big deal.
@@augustusfreeman4032 Only speak for yourself! I don’t play when it comes to mine!
I agree!
That judge practically screamed “ask me to dismiss and I’ll do it”. So unprofessional. And him saying a disabled girl with the mind of a child had “the time of her life”…that’s just disgusting 🤮
Very
Even the lawyer was like what?
Saying a disabled girl has the mind of a child is disgusting.
The youngest person I could find to ever be tried as an adult for murder was 10.
Maybe we should make up our minds what an adult is.
Yeah, Jon Venables and Robert Thompson, it was ruled that they should’ve been tried as kid
I cried watching this
In no way should a dismissal like that be permitted. Disgusting.
Vigilante justice is looking more appealing now, isn't it, McCoy?
WTFH is with that judge?!
What did the judge do wrong? He was right
@@cromano6830 For one thing judges are supposed to be impartial, this judge literally (and repeatedly) prompted the defense attorney to make a motion to give him the opportunity to throw out the jury verdict.
@@cromano6830 Literally nothing in this was right, what are you smoking
Ah yes. Kill if you disagree.
@@mikhailthegreatestdragon3627 Based on what they said, Cromano agrees with it
McCoy: She has the mind of a child!
Judge: She's curious about her sexuality.
Me: So???!!!
Children do get serious about their sexuality but that doesn't make them old enough to consent bc of their underdeveloped decision-making abilities
@@edithputhy4948 That's why I said SO?
@@mangersavoir4213 yeah I was agreeing with you
I didn't know there was a legal loophole where you could just go ahead and disregard a jury's unanimous decision.
This whole event was harrowing to watch, but that part confirms to me how utterly flawed the legal system can be.
Judges can overturn guilty verdicts but not "not guilty" verdicts. This is part of the system so that if a charismatic defense lawyer is able to convince a jury with bad reasoning that an impartial judge can still step in, as the legal system is built on the philosophy that it is better for 100 guilty people to go free than for 1 innocent person to go to jail (as said by Benjamin Franklin, inspired by Blackstone's ratio). Of course, it does allow, potentially, for corrupt judges to overturn verdicts, but the prosecution is allowed to try and appeal this (and it can potentially lead to the judge being disbarred).
It is actually part of the legal system that is a GOOD thing, not a flaw.
they gave her a bottle of cream soda, truly these are gentlemen of the highest regard
So by what I understand the judge pretty much said "If you have the mind of a child and just happen to be curious then it's morally okay for people to do things to you"
I am disturbed and disgusted🤮
Don't forget: of legal age. Yeah, judge was depicted as a bit pervy, maybe its the choice of words in the script.
@@tvtitlechampion3238 that's the point, she has the mind of a prepubescent child but the body of a teenager
@@edithputhy4948 exactly: legitimate consent. If her character was depicted as underage, it'd be very different, wouldn't it? It's like when you turn 18, it's 'you shoulda known better'. There's a reason why minors and impaired people can justifiably escape binding contracts; because they can't legally give consent. Her ability to make decisions, her agency, is flawed.
Funny, there are dudes on here trying to exculpate the boys, because she and people like her have a right to 'get busy', if you will. It's a totally libertarian line of thinking, and it sure seems dudes like them want to create easy targets for later exploitation by removing protections. Too bad that gullibility becomes a legal issue, huh?. 'Winners and losers! It's the way of a cold, cruel world!' Sheesh...
TV Title Champion tbf that libertarian harm principle is one of the pillars of the justice system. Criminal procedure is about preventing harm being done unto others. But there are also other ideas of how the system should run. One is the state acting as a paternal guiding force, ensuring society fits certain moral standards in the name of public interest. R v Brown (1994) shows the complexities of this principle in action. Even between consenting adults, performing sadomasochistic acts against each other still consisted of assault. There was harm, but they wanted the harm. Does it still constitute harm? Should a state interfere in the private morality of individuals if it considers it against society’s moral interests?
Going back to this case, there’s two interpretations. As you said, under the libertarian harm principle, there’d be little ground to convict the boys, given she enjoyed it, of course. (I’m not making any assumptions about the girl in this specific instance. This is more of a thought experiment at large.) Under the paternal approach, the state would have the right to throw the book at the boys, for doing something so egregiously wrong as sleeping with an effective minor. Did she like it? Doesn’t matter. A slight difference in understanding of justice, and the state’s role, makes all the difference in how this case should be approached. The difference between guilty and innocent. I just find it fascinating.
Same thing happened to my special needs sister. The only way the guys got away with is she said they were her boyfriends
Sorry that happened to her pray she heals and she gets justice
I'm sorry that happened to her, people are disgusting.
Man, guys like that should be put on a sidebar DO NOT TRUST list. Tell if I'm wrong, but it sounds like she didn't conceive of being exploited; hope that sweet innocence doesn't get corrupted.
Sorry for what’s happened to her. No one deserves that
I’m so sorry.
I'm not a law major or a fan of the show, but its disgusting how the judge basically brushes off the serious situation of the what the boys did to her and let them go.
I know the defendants LAWYERS had more compassion for the victim than he did.
The judge should be put on trial.
The Judge was a weirdo; I cant believe they have this much power.