Introducing the 22 ARC - Advanced Rifle Cartridge
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- čas přidán 8. 09. 2024
- SMALL CARTRIDGE, BIG PERFORMANCE - The 22 ARC brings you exceptional power and performance, rivaling the 22-250, all elegantly packed into a compact and versatile cartridge that fits into your AR-15.
Initial 22 ARC builders can be found here with more to come: www.hornady.com/22arc#!/
So none of the big manufacturers then for us regular can’t afford custom rifle people??
Can you all take that list one step further and provide a list of those that make the 22 ARC AR for lefties so we're not having to wade through all those in the list to find those that do left hand eject, every thing else ambi (charge/safety). I'd be interested in a match grade AR but want left eject plus ambi. I currently have no AR's, but the 22 ARC has finally peaked my interest as a fast follow-up coyote rifle. You could simply put a * next to those in the list that do left hand and indicate what the * is for.
Would be cool to have something new in the 23 caliber. But hey this is cool too
Hi Hornety team. I am in the 22wmr delema. I ask you for all of us that want more and wanna see more for the 22wmr. Ok we need a 30gr v-max with higher BC or 40gr @ the 2200fps speeds. If you could resolve that for the 1/16 twist 22wmr guys that would be great. 30gr -( same speed, same weight, better BC) or 40gr-( same weight, same BC, higher speeds) whichever one would be great thank you. I have a Savage B22WMR LITE precision, the one in an MDT chase decked out. We want mini - PRS/ ELR .
I'll just keep my 6.5 Grendel. Any game you're talking about taking with this can already be taken with many rounds that are readily available in popular firearms.
Nothing wrong with that.
So you’re essentially saying why try anything new and develop new rounds/platforms, since the ones that exist are good enough, right? 🤦♂️
Might as well stick to your musket 😅 could probably take out anything your hunting with the grendel
What do I need to build an AR for this cartridge and where do I get the components?
I’d been waiting for this. I’m hoping it will be same as my 22dpc I believe it is.
It's the same thing. They just changed the name so they can profit off of it.
@@Adam-nv9zo They changed the name and a few dimensions so that non reloaders like me can still have access to this cool round. No body else was doing it so Hornady did.
I want one!
And I'm still going "WOW, what about that 300 Blackout!".
I have a 6 ARC. I was seriously thinking about getting a 22 ARC until I saw the price of the ammo. For the same bullet, ELD VT, the 22 was three dollars more, WTF! Unless Hornady lowers the price of the 22 ARC, I will stick with my 6 ARC. I want to shoot the 22, but only if it's cheaper.
we already have the 223 and the 22-250 for bolt guns and the 223 for the AR platform. It's like introducing the 6mm Remington when there was already the 243 Win. See how successful those WSM rounds were. Wow there's a Credmore and there's the 270 Win that out performs it. For all practical purposes there hasn't been a real round revolution since the mid 1970s and even the 7-08 wasn't any big improvement over the 7mm Mauser. Sorry but us older guys have seen it and done that. Ever heard of the 219 Donaldson Wasp from the 1950s? The 22-250 or the 250/3000 Savage replaced it which was nothing more than a necked down 250 Savage which actually is an amazing cartridge that was created in the 1920s. Don't believe overhyped over advised bullshit.
You can get 22-250 in an ar now, too. Alex pro firearms.
im 31 and ive heard some of these words before
Stay at the nursing home old man, if you can't enjoy newer and better sticks
@@ordman72 Nice job keeping it civil. Happy New Year
Make a 257-308!
25 creedmoor is already a thing. It's a solid performer, but I don't think there's enough demand for 25 caliber anything to see it become a legit offering.
They already have it's called a 257 roberts
I was excited at first, but it really doesn't seem like much of an improvement over 5.56.
That's what I'm looking at. Same reason other "hot" .22s have failed. It's not a significant enough improvement.
@@unclebob540i3 What are you smoking, supersonic past 1000 yards while 5.56 is barely supersonic past 600. It fits much higher BC bullets, and throws them far faster than 5.56.
It performs substantially better after 250 yards and does way better with shooting flat in higher winds
So where is the 45 grain varmit loads?
Sure would be nice if you supported the rounds you have out before launching more. No 6 arc brass to be found since its launch. Couldnt even find ammo for it until a couple months ago. Love my 6 arc, but dont like I cant find reloading brass for it. Rest assured, I wont be investing in another cartridge with no support.
It's risky jumping on any new cartridge that comes out. Two thirds fail and die off. I don't touch a newer caliber until I've seen it out for nearly a decade, and being well supported by the shooting community, hunters, and available positively everywhere with many bullet weights and ammo manufacturer's producing it. Look at the Winchester WSM line. The .7mm WSM and .325 WSM are already starting to die out for popularity and availability in both rifles and ammo supplies. I can see this round turning into a reloaders Wildcat in a few years. It's got about a 30% chance of lasting 10 years on the market. If it lasts that long, good chance it will last for another 50 years. Time will tell.
Will it feed from standard AR-15 magazines why aren't you guys saying so yes no maybe?
223 is about to be .75/round and this is what Hornady is doing lmao
Why? You guys can’t keep up with demand for ammo in general so you think it’s a good idea to introduce a new caliber nobody wanted or asked for so that it can take production away from established calibers???? Great idea!
They do this, so that factory rifles will get chambered in it. But you can always reload if you cant find ammo.
I have no issues finding any hornady ammo, at reasonable prices. You must not be looking.
They should sort out 7mm PRC first.
Hey bud you must not be looking hard enough cause I can find hornady ammo in just about every cartridge I shoot
Cry more. My local Academy has about every caliber in Hornady imaginable.. Even 7.62x39mm.
Thats pretty cool
Looks similar to a .223 WSSM.
Hopefully someone has a different twist barrel to run 35-55 gainers
You're going to shoot through souls with that speed! Lol
It’s an other re marketed crack at the 223 WSSM with a faster twist. Wonder how long this one will stick around?
It wouldn't replace the military's 5.56, the reason is, 22 ARC is still using 6mm ARC/6.5 Grendel's case, meaning 22 ARC cartridge is pretty fat for a 22 caliber. And fatter case causes less ammo capacity for an AR rifle. Also, its muzzle velocity is way too fast, it will burn barrel much faster than that of lower speed 6mm ARC. So same ammo capacity as 6mm ARC, smaller caliber (less muzzle energy than 6mm ARC), yet shorter barrel life, that's why 22 ARC has no ballistic advantage over 6mm ARC, or no practical advantage over 223/556. The last role of 22 ARC will be set to "varmint bolt action hunting", which doesn't need to shoot lots of ammo.
Can you please release velocity info on your factory ammo for it?
I was wondering the same thing
The round we’ve allllll been waiting for ! Exiting news.
You bet!
Sure would be nice if you filled the needs of the 6mm ARC before you throw this out into the mix…putting the cart before the horse again….keep this up and people will walk away…not worth the hassle.
220 Swift has been burning barrels for longer...
When are AR manufactures going to build a purpose built rifle around the 6.5 grendel/6ARC/22ARC? I don’t like adapting a rifle for this. I want something in between a AR15 and a AR10.
AR-13 LOL
@@heremyjogan sounds good. Now I just need someone to make it. 😂
LWRCi does the Six-8 pattern with Magpul magazine support. Maybe matching magazines for the larger bolt face could work with those.
There have been factory ARs in the 6.5 Grendel configuration for decades. I bought a factory built 6.5 Grendel AR almost 15 years ago now. I know Seekins makes a 6 ARC AR and I'm sure they're not the only ones. Pretty sure Alexander Arms is still making a Grendel though I know it's not really the same people anymore
And there's not much adapting other than a barrel, bolt and magazine. Just buy a properly headspaced bolt and gas system from the barrel manufacturer when you buy your barrel and get a magazine, good to go. I've built several varieties of AR uppers they're pretty straight forward unless you want to build a race gun or go with mismatched components
@@DanielReyes-hz1qk right, but that’s not what I’m getting at. What I want is a purpose built proprietary rifle in those caliber. Not adapted from an ar15. It’s going to need a wider mag well and proper mags not adapted ar15 mags.
So all that's required is a barrel swap, correct? I might be interested once ammo pricing comes down a bit.
can you start making primers to go with your amazing bullets ? I know...... I hate using overseas primers, now they all will be. It almost takes the American out of reloading.
Yaaaah 🎉
I'm wondering if this cartridge will do better for barrel life compared to the 6 ARC. And how the lighter bullet going a bit faster will do down range, as far as energy, bullet drop and wind effects. I need a full comparison! I was about to start a 6 ARC build when this came out, now I'm back at square 1 😅
I would imagine barrel life would be worse than 6 ARC, typically burning similar amounts of powder in a smaller bore and pushing projectiles at higher speeds is harder on barrels, all else being equal
I'll care about these ARC/Grendel cartridges when there are mags for them that don't suck.
Im using asc and duramag stainless mags with zero issues?
@@whiskerbiscuit99 I wish I could say the same.
@@herknorth8691 are you sure its a mag issue? And not a feed ramp problem. Ive seen far too many so called mag issues actually be feedramp issues, but in my case. I have probly 20 or so mags for my 6arc an none have issues.
@@whiskerbiscuit99 I suppose that's possible, but I've also had terrible experiences with C-Products and ASC when it comes to 5.45 AR mags, so I'm quick to blame them for issues. Their customer service was also terrible so I think I'm done with that company.
Not had a single issue from any of my Alexander Arms mags.
Happy new year2024
Will Hornady do a twenty caliber version?
When can we see ammunition and brass?
Awesome! 😍
Thank you! Cheers!
When will 22 ARC reloading data be available?
When can I find ammo on the shelf? Or brass? I have a barrel being made
Where can you buy a rifle?
An answer to a question nobody asked.
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Can you use this in a 22 hand gun
I need to know bolt face, come on hornady bring all the info to the table.
ARC, Grendel
Je suis vraiment déçu de la compagnie Hornady. J'ai acheté des munitions 270wsm
Precision Hunter ELD-X 145gr. Le seating est tellement croche que la munitions entre même pas dans la chambre de mon arme. 😢
How is it suppressed?
Ummm, so how is this different than the 224 Valkyrie???
Idea a 5.7x28mm revolver
Another solution looking for a problem? Another for "Heavy, long for caliber" fetish. Isn't this what .224 Valkyrie offered and fell flat? In the real world, what will this shiny new round do that the .223 doesn't? Hornady Manufacturing, how about supporting the calibers you already offer? I say this as a huge fan of the 6ARC.
I agree with you. Even as a guy who is currently running 2 224 valkyries in the rotation. I can't see it being on par with my 22 250 or my 6mm creedmoor. But my 223s do basically everything it does. I like the concept but if your gonna make a new 223 caliber it needs to be a speed demon. That's what makes the 223 calibers a winner along with low recoil. This just doesn't seem to be fast but I'll try to find some more data to see.
@@thatguyfishingben4794 looks like they're talking 3300FPS for the 62gr. I get 2900+ out of my 223 now. Not much an improvement IMO. And there is no way anyone can come close to matching the variety of ammo available for the .223. .22-250 shall remain the king of varmint rounds, and the .223 most popular.
Dose any rifle company offer a gun in 22ARC ?
A list can be found here, with surely more to be added: www.hornady.com/22arc#!/
Where does a guy find a bolt gun
You guys are so full of crap! The 224 valkyrie is almost the same thing I get 2700 fps In a 20 inch Barrel with 88s. This is almost a direct copy of the valkyrie. Probably a great round as is the 224 but don't kid yourself a simple powder chage in either one of these rounds can manipulate the velocities you are saying in favor of either one. It holds another grain maybe so your looking at maybe 50 to 100 fps faster if the pressures allow it without popping primers. Let's call it like it really is.
It's like 224 valk, but better because more case capacity and no trashy rebated rim. Also shares brass with 6arc and 6.5 grendel for easy brass conversions.
Still cant touch 220 swift
220 Swift anyone?
We are Effed with corporations
I'm confused and maybe this is a stupid question. Can this be used in a standard AR chambered in .223/.556 ?
No
No
No
The case dimensions are very different. Wouldn't be able to fit. You would just need to change the barrel, bcg and bolt. Everything else can stay the same.
@@jgt07 so basically the entire rifle lol
I mean..... its a weak 223 WSSM ......
So its a gassers cartridge, great not.
This won't sell
You're selling bullets but no rifles
You didn't have to put a snuff film on to promote your bullets I can guarantee you half those animals were not shot with those bullets I've seen those videos before and I have nothing against hunting I just believe that you're going to shoot something use all of it
This is going to flop. I love theb6 ARC but with cheap custom barrels the .223 carries so much more rounds and can do the same thing
I like Hornsby, but the claims made for this cartridge are bullshit. “A game changer”, and “ the best option for varmint hunting out of an AR-15 platform.”. I wonder if they have ever heard of the .6.5 Grendel, that is ballistically superior in every way. Plus a number of older and wildcat rounds(like the Remington 260, that wasn’t as commercialized like the 6.5 Creedmoore as an example) that can be just as good or exceed beyond the newest hyped cartridge.
6.5 grendel lacks velocity and most of the high bc rounds fail to expand past 400 yards or so. 2200 fps is as low as you want to impact something with a rifle bullet and have it do major damage, grendel is down to 2200 fps by 300-400 yards, this will do 300+ yards further. Those older cartridges could generate the speeds yes, but they can't do it with modern high BC bullets, so they fall flat in a few hundred yards.
Brass!!! Dont get me wrong i like ya guys but im having to buy 6.5 grendel brass and resizing is an annoying first step.
2:40 of talking and not telling you ANYTHING! nothing at all. catch phrase vid.
Another waste from an another company loosing touch with what used to be customer’s. Fill the shelf’s then maybe something new.
Hopefully its just as inconsistent as all the current 6arc that Hornady is putting out. Would love to see 6arc ammo get better before this crap.
It isn't an improvement over my 22-250. I'll stick with it.
This will outperform the 22-250.... especially with heavier bullets....
Its 22 od 250 not 22 250 thats what the dash means same as 30-06 JA
Actually, it's not. The -06 is in reference to year 1906. For example, back in aught 6, the cartridge was redesigned." The 250 in .22-250 refers to the .250 Savage which is the cartridge case it was made from.
You got owned lol