Wow, now that’s a review, you left everybody else that did a review on the SI in the dust, you cover every technical aspect of the car. I take off my hat ; I’m officially impressed
Matt Thank you for the fantastic review! I’ve owned my 22 Civic Si for almost two weeks now and I can tell you that your points are right on the money. The car definitely feels faster than 200HP and that is because they Dyno around 200whp. The motor just builds power all the way to redline. The handling of this car is amazing, it handles like is on rails even with the all season tires. The shifter is a throwback to the Honda’s of the past. This car is really an awesome value, a car that is so much fun and rewarding to drive every day.
I'm still happy with my 2007 8th gen Si.. being able to rev to 8600 rpm is something I never get tired of.. also I'm nearing 200,000 kms and still running strong and super reliable.
@@SIIKAP1 they rev to 8,200 RPM right from the factory. It’s a TRUE DOHC VTEC. Hondata Flashpro raises the rev limit to 8,600. This car in this review only has VTEC on the exhaust cam.
It looks like an awesome little(ish) car to rip around town in. Great review and the fact that you put this car right up there with the GR86/BRZ speaks volumes.
@@boost331 lol if you’ve never raced or heard of a fwd mountain car you haven’t experienced a close/fun/intimate race. My 1990 accord has kept up almost like nothing/lost with porches, mazdas, subarus, beamers, toyotas. Never raced it with an audi, another honda, infiniti, nissan, dont see to many up there. My 2015 si has only lost to a 2021 type r
I think the last gen Toyota 86 was similar in speed to the 10th gen si but this time around the gr86 is significantly quicker in a straight line. I still might buy this though it’s so sick. Resale value is better as well and would only take a couple grand to get a lot more power out of it
I cant believe this was a 30 minutes video, it was so good it felt like 10 minutes. I have the 2010 civic si and after all these years this is the one im willing to trade for mine.
Just sold my 2000 Civic DX Coupe had it for 22 years 260,000 miles on the odometer. It never broke down the only thing I did to it was but a new timing chain in it and 150,000 miles. Most Reliable Car I ever owned. Bought it for 14,000 new and sold it yesterday for $2000 body was perfect never in an accident
Good luck my guy! I got a 2015 si last year since I wanted to stay N/A, but i'd love to get behind the wheel of one of these just to see what it's like.
I think one of my favorite things about this car, is that just like back in the 90’s, This Civic puts out more horsepower than Honda is actually stating on paper. Call it a Easter Egg
Awesome review Matt if not the best. 35 years old and never have owned a new car so I'm glad to say that I am today a proud owner of a 2022 Blazing Orange SI. Now I just have to wait for the vehicle to get delivered to the dealer so I can pick it up and enjoy nice power with sweet mpg and a damn fun ride.
@@stancashman2318 it’s not less money. They’re paying a lot and they don’t make more money than we do to make up for it. The only way it’s “cheaper” is if we were to go to canada and buy one in USD
@@SIIKAP1 I understand what you’re saying and yes, to Canadians, it’s not cheaper however they are getting a better equipped car than we are, by far! And yes, have thought about going to Canada to buy one, probably a hassle though.
Matt you are my fav car youtuber. You take out the time to put your thoughts clearly, i am sure you spend a lot of time writing the scripts based on your experience. Every min is informative. No nonsense content.
Love my 23 Si. Wouldn’t buy a car without watching your review first. Been subscribed and watching you for years now. Years before your bullet. Love everything about this car. Coming from a coyote mustang, you think I’d miss the power. But the handling, gas mileage, and practicality are amazing. Plus it’s a blast to drive. Flawless manual transmission!
I picked up the Si in sgp. It really is a great car. The rev hang is nothing like the last gen. Though It’s still present, I especially from 1-2, it’s mostly unnoticeable. The interior is lovely, and I can’t imagine the interior without physical knobs and controls. It’s definitely not fast, but it feels quick. I wish it were faster, but I’m happy.
The Si and even any sedan bodied 11th gen Civic, aren't available here in Australia. But after watching this I legitimately feel like I've driven one myself, incredibly thorough review!
Same. I was just going to get the SI but seeing some features removed. I feel like they removed it to make the integra have more features and more premium.
Thanks for mentioning the rev hang! So many journalists glossed over the previous generation's horrendous rev hang. I was disgusted when I test drove it for that reason alone. Strongly considering this to replace my aging 9th gen.
Hondata also claim the same thing. I owned the 2020si and now own the 2022 and can tell you the gearing is the same... 3000rpm in sixth gear 120kph. Exactly the same as the 2020, but soooooooooo much better all around.. Great video!
Ohhh.. And I'm in Canada, so fully loaded for less than the US 🇺🇸 version.. I think that Honda are playing around with the figures to make the Intergra look better, but esentially will be the same as the Si
Young bloods have no idea. K20z3 was a monster and hearing that engine at 8,200 rpm, we will never experience that again. True VTEC, I hate this 1.5 liter turbo nonsense they went it. Wth
@@jhh7185 Sadly, the best engine Honda makes now is the V6 in the Pilot/Ridgeline/etc. Even when it's intake and exhaust are muffled to not upset the soccer moms who drive them, the glorious NA VTEC sound is still audible and the smooth power is amazing. Wish that engine was in a small car.
Totally agree with your thoughts on the cloth touch points. I have a car with cloth touch points like that and they look bad as time goes on. Maybe you’ll be able to get something in the aftermarket but it would have been nice if Honda would have used a different material.
I like this car and it’s a very great medium, I’d get it over the N-Line and Forte GT. However, the Elantra N blows it away in terms of value. Under 30k, it’s a no brainer. But I’m ponying up for the N. With everything you get and the HP difference and overall fun, you can’t beat the N. Amazing review Matt!
Too bad it's a Hyundai. Those cars are straight up POS. My wife owned a 2014 Elantra, my Mom and Mother in law both had Sonata's. We all had multiple issues with those cars. Hyundai does a good job at building a crap car and dressing it up as something nice. Don't be fooled. Honda's are built different. True quality.
@@Moskoe83 Lol everyone always says this but these N cars are great. Sorry for your bad experiences but that doesn’t escape the fact that these cars are actually good.
I like how every single CZcamsr doing reviews on the Civic SI don't address the dealer inflation and crazy markups they are performing on them. Called 10 dealerships in my state and surrounding states and all of them are trying to charge 36K and above.
I know it's frustrating, it sucks that most dealers are being crappy these days. The reason I don't mention it in the videos is twofold. First, because these videos will be watched well beyond these crazy times we're in, so dwelling on 2022 problems will make the video less relevant in 2025. Second, comparing MSRP is the only fair way to compare cars. Everyone will get a different deal depending on a variety of factors and those dealer prices aren't the fault of the manufacturer either. So I judge and compare cars based on those MSRP prices. It's up to the buyer to decide what is the best deal for them given their circumstances. My advice is to scour the country for an MSRP dealer and make it a road trip if you're up for the work and time that's required. Otherwise, I recommend anyone that can wait, should wait until things calm down. Nobody is getting a good deal right now on anything.
Really great straightforward video. Your point about adding an aftermarket exhaust is something I didn’t consider with the revs being so high. Thank you for pointing that out.
"Better than expected" is such an appropriate heading for this car. After the 10th gen there was no telling what we'd get. I'll admit I didn't have high expectations. This car is flat out impressive though. It brings quite a bit of value and practicality to the table for what it costs. It's not exactly slow either. See, that's one thing I love about Honda's formula. They didn't have to breach into WRX/Elantra N level performance in order to make this car competitive. They re-engineered the driving experience in the areas that it mattered so you could feel a new level of performance in something with the same HP and torque it's always had. Seems like a great car so far.
Another great video review, Matt. One thing to point out for current times. Shopping both this car and an Elantra N will both likely cost you $2k-$3k over MSRP at the moment and dealers will be hard pressed to get them. It’s a sad time to be an enthusiast, as you could buy the last generation Si for around $22k-$23k discounted when new and justifying paying $8k more for the new model after markup is a hard pill to swallow. Such are the times, but maybe will eventually see things return to a more consumer friendly market in terms of supply and demand. 🤞🏼
I always recommend people travel to get the best deal. I bought 3 of my last 4 cars out of state, and that was before the pandemic. There are decent dealers out there still not doing markups, they just take extra work to find and require a road trip home. But to me that just adds to the fun. But clearly, anyone that doesn't need to buy a car right now should wait until things get back to normal for a better deal.
@@MattMaranMotoring Good advice, Matt. You are right, you sometimes have to do some legwork and traveling to get the best deal or in today’s market, MSRP. Like you, I have gone out of town for the right car and price in the past. It’s definitely an option people should consider if they need or want a car now and have the time to devote to it, even for more simple cars like Elantras and Civics.
@@TheAutoRanchThe Elantra N is a better car all day long. The Si has lost the dampers along with the other noted features that made the Si such a great car. By moving dampers and other options to the Integra shows Honda is making the Civic the poor child in their line up.
@@kennordsfan1494Hyundai always has more features for the money than any other brand. Only catch is it's a Hyundai. It also has an MSRP almost $4,000 higher, so of course it has more features
Having a tough time getting behind this car. There was a time when the SI had enough to differentiate and make you crave its superiority……but this car just doesn’t have enough. Adding to that- it’s really just boring? They could have at least amped the brakes?
Amazing review! I love how you really went into full detail including daily driving it which is what most people are going to be doing with this. Haven’t seen another reviewer yet go into as much detail about this car than this one.
So glad you included the Miata last second as one of the best under 30k. I got a grand touring 2020 a few months ago and I think it’s one of the best cars ever. A car I want to keep forever.
Nice review Matt. Wish they would offer the package they have for the SI in Canada with the heated seats and steering wheel. It's going to be -2 in Michigan when I head to work tomorrow. If you get pay for that package and no dealer markup it would be a sweet ride... Maybe next year.
Elantra N's in my area are marked up $4.5-5.5k depending on the transmission choice. Civic SI's are coming in under $30k in my area. I chose the Civic at the end of the day. I refuse to spend close to 40k for an Elantra.
Nice! I looked at a civic si today and they where marking it up 6k as well and I refused to pay that. Great car, just not worth the 6k market adjustment. Enjoy the car!
@@steve9377 I might be different due to my spinal fusion. Heat feels great in all temps below 50° or so which ends up being a lot of the year in the Midwest.
My friend (at my urging) just signed for a 22, trading out of a long suffering 2013 Dart . In Canada the SI comes very well equipped. Heated all the things. Full digi dash with shift lights. Fog lamps. My friend isn’t really a car guy, but I think an SI will help him be a car guy in some small way that he wasn’t before. The balance of amenities and engaging drive pretty much ensure it will make him a bit more of an enthusiast in the long run. Also, we know he takes care of his things because he kept a 2013 dodge dart alive for nine years 😂.
Could be a similar case of where Chevrolet labeled the C5 Corvette with the LS1 at 350hp but then the 4th Gen F-Body Camaro/Trans-Ams were rated at “300hp,” despite making near 300whp ha.
Idk why a lot of manufacturers understate their engine outputs, I have a Fiesta ST Ford claims 197hp, 202lb-ft of torque. Stock on a dyno I've seen 205hp to the WHEELS and 220 lb-ft of torque to the wheels
Bc they want you to believe they did a whole bunch of chassis tuning and wizardy to make the car better when it's actually power that is doing the most work. Nissan did this with the GTR back in 2007 when it launched. They really advertised the hell out of the AWD system and chassis dynamics and then ran a really great time at the 'Ring. But they severely underrated its power as people later found out. Same with BMW. They underrated the new M3 bc they wanted people to believe it's a small/nimble like the original while putting down better lap times. But in reality the car is just bigger and more powerful than previous generations. Same with your ST. Those little things handle great. And Ford really played into how well they had tuned the chassis. But for a while the STs were spanking the BRZ/FRS twins on the track, even though the BRZ/FRS have similar power numbers, RWD, with an LSD (which should give them a super advantage). People were like: dafuq? When dyno-ed the ST was making like 20-30 extra HP...I think Honda is doing the same thing with this SI so people will buy into the "new" chassis tuning and the few parts they borrowed from the type R.
Just got my '15 si last year, but I wouldn't trade it for the world! I'm just a car lover though, and I'd love to see how this si feels. Same with the new gr86.
When Honda shortened the final drive, they created 1 less mpg and the result actually resulted in 2 tenths of a second slower to 60 time. ( according to Car and Driver).
Matt, really nice review of the new 11gen Civic SI!!! I have owned several Civic SI in the past (1989, 2006, 2014) and have enjoyed all of them for their driving characteristics and handling. I currently have a 10 gen Civic EX with 1.5T engine and CVT. I would like to get another SI. Miss the manual shifting. Not sure which way to go because my area Honda dealers are marking up the 2022 SI by $3k to $4k over msrp and the price for a used 10gen SI is also at or above msrp. Do you think pricing and availability of vehicles will improve in a year or so??
I think this car has aged very well over the last couple of years. Wish the engine was a bit more appealing to look at but that's the tiniest gripe in an otherwise great car.
Great review. I really like the exterior but the flashy red interior no longer suits this car. They have a nice sophisticated exterior but then go all boy racer with the gaudy red trim and red racing seats. I'd much preferred the nice black interior from the Touring.
the fake noise is crazy lol. its not a bad car but i just dont understand why they had to water down the Si so hard starting with the last gen. I get that we get the Type R now but there's still room to make the Si special.
I think for 3 grand less I might pick the Elantra N line. No LSD but slightly more hp, torque and more standard equipment....heated seats, wireless charging, longer warranty and no oil dilution issues.
From what I heard it's that you have to shift into 3rd gear to get to 60mph, so that's where the slow time is accentuated. So it's not as slow to say 55... but then you have to shift.
I’m hoping a channel will do an updated comparison with this and the n-line. The straight pipes did it (in-depth review and auto cross runs) on the last body styles and the n-line debatably took the edge. Curious if that changed.
For me, I agree that Honda is doing this Civic SI a disservice. I really think it's a great car, and this SI at least, should deserve the love that Matt is giving in his review.
What are your thoughts on the reliability of the Elantra n? I just feel like Honda has a better rep than Hyundai in terms of reliability and the Elantra N could have more issues and less longevity.
I totally agree with you on the styling Matt,I think it’s more of a mature departure from the last GEN… I always keep saying this but for some reason it’s hard for Cortizone or’s to design flowing good designs on small cars and I think that attributed to the small canvas that they have to work with…
Great review as usual. It seems like a nice car but Honda is making it constantly harder to stay a loyal US fan when you compare the Si with the Canadian Si. Canada gets a lot more features... most are features we would want... and they get it at a better price than our stripped down US version. Already got one on order... if I didn't need a vehicle now, I would wait to see if they right their wrongs in the 2023 model.
Wow, now that’s a review, you left everybody else that did a review on the SI in the dust, you cover every technical aspect of the car. I take off my hat ; I’m officially impressed
Savage geese did a much more thorough technical review
@@sertyuhg agreed. Matt does a good job but savagegeese is on a different level.
@@sertyuhg Matt has a much more likable personality IMHO.
@@carnutal3627 I find Matt annoying, he reminds me of Flanders from the Simpsons
Came here to say exactly this. Best review I’ve seen in a few years.
Matt Thank you for the fantastic review! I’ve owned my 22 Civic Si for almost two weeks now and I can tell you that your points are right on the money. The car definitely feels faster than 200HP and that is because they Dyno around 200whp. The motor just builds power all the way to redline. The handling of this car is amazing, it handles like is on rails even with the all season tires. The shifter is a throwback to the Honda’s of the past. This car is really an awesome value, a car that is so much fun and rewarding to drive every day.
Thanks, I'm glad you're enjoying yours! Congrats on getting one!
Awesome value ? Some of these are selling for 42k
@@awwwyeea yeah it's not worth 40K+ lol
How's the fwy gas mileage? Cruising at 70 or 75mph, 6th gear flat road, what's your best?
The 2017 Si's were getting 40+ at those speeds & gear.
@@tahjo7 Yes I’ve gotten around 40mpg cruising around that speed
Bro don't ever stop coming with these detailed reviews. Your quality is untouched 🔥
I'm still happy with my 2007 8th gen Si.. being able to rev to 8600 rpm is something I never get tired of.. also I'm nearing 200,000 kms and still running strong and super reliable.
They rev to 8k though. Do you have a tune or something?
@@SIIKAP1 they redline at 8 but they go to 8200rpm . Tuned they go to 8500 and 9000 typically I think .
@@SIIKAP1 they rev to 8,200 RPM right from the factory. It’s a TRUE DOHC VTEC.
Hondata Flashpro raises the rev limit to 8,600.
This car in this review only has VTEC on the exhaust cam.
@@hondrta okay it was 8k redline I was thinking of. But revs to 8200. I had a 2007 Si a while back and an AP1 S2000.
8200 stock and 8600 with my flash.
Just signed papers for mine, with HPD kit. Super pumped. Took ALOT of work, but got a great deal in the end. Get it tomorrow.
What's a great deal?
@@Moskoe83 with HPD kit, tint, delivery to my driveway, TT@L, $34,500
It looks like an awesome little(ish) car to rip around town in. Great review and the fact that you put this car right up there with the GR86/BRZ speaks volumes.
Dude its clearly a mountain car not a rip around town car in fact this car will make a gr86 and brz slide off the mountain
Brz competes with gtr’s
@@trackshun FWD mountain car. LOL Until it understeers like all FED cars and throws you off a cliff while the BRZ drifts past.
@@boost331 lol if you’ve never raced or heard of a fwd mountain car you haven’t experienced a close/fun/intimate race. My 1990 accord has kept up almost like nothing/lost with porches, mazdas, subarus, beamers, toyotas. Never raced it with an audi, another honda, infiniti, nissan, dont see to many up there. My 2015 si has only lost to a 2021 type r
I think the last gen Toyota 86 was similar in speed to the 10th gen si but this time around the gr86 is significantly quicker in a straight line. I still might buy this though it’s so sick. Resale value is better as well and would only take a couple grand to get a lot more power out of it
Nice to see that Honda still keeps the Manual transmission around!
This car is awesome. The exterior has really grown on me and that infotainment is sweeeet
I cant believe this was a 30 minutes video, it was so good it felt like 10 minutes. I have the 2010 civic si and after all these years this is the one im willing to trade for mine.
Thanks Erick, I’m glad you liked the video!
I imagine it helps that those resale values for a used Civic si are really high right now. It's the perfect time to upgrade.
Keep your 8th Gen, they look so much better
8th gen is the last true Si
Keep the 8th gen alive!
Just sold my 2000 Civic DX Coupe had it for 22 years 260,000 miles on the odometer. It never broke down the only thing I did to it was but a new timing chain in it and 150,000 miles. Most Reliable Car I ever owned. Bought it for 14,000 new and sold it yesterday for $2000 body was perfect never in an accident
YESSSSSS BEEN LOOKING FORWARD TO THIS REVIEW SINCE THE PRESS SHOW. For sure gonna try to get one when i got the funds for my first manual car.
I hope you can get one soon!
Good luck my guy! I got a 2015 si last year since I wanted to stay N/A, but i'd love to get behind the wheel of one of these just to see what it's like.
gr86 is way better
I think one of my favorite things about this car, is that just like back in the 90’s, This Civic puts out more horsepower than Honda is actually stating on paper. Call it a Easter Egg
Where else can you pay 2022 money for 1990's horsepower? Civic Si!
Honda pulled a BMW and underrated the power :D
It's never been a high power car
Is that why the 10th gen is faster?
@@ghanna7787 They put the 11th gen on a dyno and it’s making 220 Hp
Agree with you about the Elantra N. can’t wait for that week long review
Awesome review Matt if not the best. 35 years old and never have owned a new car so I'm glad to say that I am today a proud owner of a 2022 Blazing Orange SI. Now I just have to wait for the vehicle to get delivered to the dealer so I can pick it up and enjoy nice power with sweet mpg and a damn fun ride.
As a 2018 Si owner, I still really hate the features they removed. Especially when they gave Canada a better spec
Yup, those heated seats would come in handy where I live
Canada Si also gets fog lights, full digital dash, wireless charging and home link auto-dimming mirror. And for less money, not sure why!
I'm sure the integra is getting a lot of those features. Makes sense product planning wise
@@stancashman2318 it’s not less money. They’re paying a lot and they don’t make more money than we do to make up for it. The only way it’s “cheaper” is if we were to go to canada and buy one in USD
@@SIIKAP1 I understand what you’re saying and yes, to Canadians, it’s not cheaper however they are getting a better equipped car than we are, by far! And yes, have thought about going to Canada to buy one, probably a hassle though.
Welp at times like this i`m just glad cars like this still exist
Matt you are my fav car youtuber. You take out the time to put your thoughts clearly, i am sure you spend a lot of time writing the scripts based on your experience. Every min is informative. No nonsense content.
I always love Matt’s content. He goes much more in depth than most others. Great review
Love my 23 Si. Wouldn’t buy a car without watching your review first. Been subscribed and watching you for years now. Years before your bullet. Love everything about this car. Coming from a coyote mustang, you think I’d miss the power. But the handling, gas mileage, and practicality are amazing. Plus it’s a blast to drive. Flawless manual transmission!
I'm glad you're enjoying yours and thanks for watching the channel all these years, I really appreciate it!
I picked up the Si in sgp. It really is a great car. The rev hang is nothing like the last gen. Though It’s still present, I especially from 1-2, it’s mostly unnoticeable. The interior is lovely, and I can’t imagine the interior without physical knobs and controls. It’s definitely not fast, but it feels quick. I wish it were faster, but I’m happy.
How’s the ride? Is the road/wind noise an issue? I'm cross shopping the Civic SI with a MK8 GTI and a MX5.
The Si and even any sedan bodied 11th gen Civic, aren't available here in Australia. But after watching this I legitimately feel like I've driven one myself, incredibly thorough review!
Thank you! I’m glad you liked it! Sorry you don’t get them in Australia though 😕
Great review! The 2023 Integra has me excited. A Civic Si with more luxury. count me in!
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Same. I was just going to get the SI but seeing some features removed. I feel like they removed it to make the integra have more features and more premium.
Thanks for mentioning the rev hang! So many journalists glossed over the previous generation's horrendous rev hang. I was disgusted when I test drove it for that reason alone. Strongly considering this to replace my aging 9th gen.
Lol same bro but I’m thinking of just saving for the type r -.- might as well
@@flaakko2376 good luck with the dealer mark ups. Wouldn't be bad if you could get them at msrp
@@BaldKiwi117 atm markups for the si are close to type r prices.
@@insulinaddict9586 damn that's ridiculous
Hondata also claim the same thing.
I owned the 2020si and now own the 2022 and can tell you the gearing is the same... 3000rpm in sixth gear 120kph. Exactly the same as the 2020, but soooooooooo much better all around..
Great video!
They have refined it like the accord... much better build quality.... When I first drove it, I had the impression I was in a much more high end ride
Thanks, I'm glad you liked the video and congrats on getting one!
@@MattMaranMotoring Thanks for your great work.... And thanks... I agree with you that Honda nailed it
Ohhh.. And I'm in Canada, so fully loaded for less than the US 🇺🇸 version..
I think that Honda are playing around with the figures to make the Intergra look better, but esentially will be the same as the Si
I miss my old 2008 Si. VTEC on the intake and exhaust valves. What a glorious sound. K20Z3... greatest engine ever put in a Civic. *pour one out*
Young bloods have no idea. K20z3 was a monster and hearing that engine at 8,200 rpm, we will never experience that again. True VTEC, I hate this 1.5 liter turbo nonsense they went it. Wth
@@jhh7185 Sadly, the best engine Honda makes now is the V6 in the Pilot/Ridgeline/etc. Even when it's intake and exhaust are muffled to not upset the soccer moms who drive them, the glorious NA VTEC sound is still audible and the smooth power is amazing. Wish that engine was in a small car.
Still running my 8th gen! These turbo engines don’t get me excited
The only channel I watch for car reviews hands down! Honest and to the point.... amazing work everytime!!
Totally agree with your thoughts on the cloth touch points. I have a car with cloth touch points like that and they look bad as time goes on. Maybe you’ll be able to get something in the aftermarket but it would have been nice if Honda would have used a different material.
Just as bad as gloss black!
it feels quicker because people are putting them on the dyno and finding they really are 225hp and 210ftlbs.
I like this car and it’s a very great medium, I’d get it over the N-Line and Forte GT. However, the Elantra N blows it away in terms of value. Under 30k, it’s a no brainer. But I’m ponying up for the N. With everything you get and the HP difference and overall fun, you can’t beat the N. Amazing review Matt!
Too bad it's a Hyundai. Those cars are straight up POS. My wife owned a 2014 Elantra, my Mom and Mother in law both had Sonata's. We all had multiple issues with those cars. Hyundai does a good job at building a crap car and dressing it up as something nice. Don't be fooled. Honda's are built different. True quality.
Saw a brand new Veloster N blow up while out on track earlier this month. Be careful with that Hyundai reliability, my dude.
@@Moskoe83 Lol everyone always says this but these N cars are great. Sorry for your bad experiences but that doesn’t escape the fact that these cars are actually good.
Elantra N has to be the ugliest car ever to grace american pavement.
@@CypressRacing cool.
I like how every single CZcamsr doing reviews on the Civic SI don't address the dealer inflation and crazy markups they are performing on them. Called 10 dealerships in my state and surrounding states and all of them are trying to charge 36K and above.
I know it's frustrating, it sucks that most dealers are being crappy these days. The reason I don't mention it in the videos is twofold. First, because these videos will be watched well beyond these crazy times we're in, so dwelling on 2022 problems will make the video less relevant in 2025. Second, comparing MSRP is the only fair way to compare cars. Everyone will get a different deal depending on a variety of factors and those dealer prices aren't the fault of the manufacturer either. So I judge and compare cars based on those MSRP prices. It's up to the buyer to decide what is the best deal for them given their circumstances. My advice is to scour the country for an MSRP dealer and make it a road trip if you're up for the work and time that's required. Otherwise, I recommend anyone that can wait, should wait until things calm down. Nobody is getting a good deal right now on anything.
The new civic looks amazing, i really like the new front end,and the new interior its pretty damn good
Really great straightforward video. Your point about adding an aftermarket exhaust is something I didn’t consider with the revs being so high. Thank you for pointing that out.
Great review Matt, so happy this vehicle exists today with a manual.
"Better than expected" is such an appropriate heading for this car. After the 10th gen there was no telling what we'd get. I'll admit I didn't have high expectations. This car is flat out impressive though. It brings quite a bit of value and practicality to the table for what it costs. It's not exactly slow either. See, that's one thing I love about Honda's formula. They didn't have to breach into WRX/Elantra N level performance in order to make this car competitive. They re-engineered the driving experience in the areas that it mattered so you could feel a new level of performance in something with the same HP and torque it's always had. Seems like a great car so far.
Another great video review, Matt. One thing to point out for current times. Shopping both this car and an Elantra N will both likely cost you $2k-$3k over MSRP at the moment and dealers will be hard pressed to get them. It’s a sad time to be an enthusiast, as you could buy the last generation Si for around $22k-$23k discounted when new and justifying paying $8k more for the new model after markup is a hard pill to swallow. Such are the times, but maybe will eventually see things return to a more consumer friendly market in terms of supply and demand. 🤞🏼
I always recommend people travel to get the best deal. I bought 3 of my last 4 cars out of state, and that was before the pandemic. There are decent dealers out there still not doing markups, they just take extra work to find and require a road trip home. But to me that just adds to the fun. But clearly, anyone that doesn't need to buy a car right now should wait until things get back to normal for a better deal.
@@MattMaranMotoring Good advice, Matt. You are right, you sometimes have to do some legwork and traveling to get the best deal or in today’s market, MSRP. Like you, I have gone out of town for the right car and price in the past. It’s definitely an option people should consider if they need or want a car now and have the time to devote to it, even for more simple cars like Elantras and Civics.
@@TheAutoRanchThe Elantra N is a better car all day long. The Si has lost the dampers along with the other noted features that made the Si such a great car. By moving dampers and other options to the Integra shows Honda is making the Civic the poor child in their line up.
@@kennordsfan1494Hyundai always has more features for the money than any other brand. Only catch is it's a Hyundai. It also has an MSRP almost $4,000 higher, so of course it has more features
driving stick shift is a dying art
Having a tough time getting behind this car. There was a time when the SI had enough to differentiate and make you crave its superiority……but this car just doesn’t have enough. Adding to that- it’s really just boring? They could have at least amped the brakes?
Agree
The old si was our type r.
Fr bro. I whip a 2016 accord touring. They dont make them like they used to i dont think ill ever get rid of my J35
@@scottgardner5918 fg2/fa5 was the 2000s type R in disguise. Last great Honda to provide high revving goodness.
@@jhh7185 100% agree with you.
Amazing review! I love how you really went into full detail including daily driving it which is what most people are going to be doing with this. Haven’t seen another reviewer yet go into as much detail about this car than this one.
So much better than a lot of the other CZcamsrs that write off cars like these
Thanks for the comment, I'm glad you liked the video!
Best looking civic I’ve seen in a long time!
The smile on your face while driving says it all.
Looking forward to your review on this 2022 Si my friend 🙌
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Thank goodness! Had me worried before you were able to review. Now, I want one lol.
Glad I could help! lol
Loving my tuned 2022 Civic SI!
So glad you included the Miata last second as one of the best under 30k.
I got a grand touring 2020 a few months ago and I think it’s one of the best cars ever. A car I want to keep forever.
I love your videos matt, you are such an amazing youtuber, dont stop making vidoes. Your awsome
Thank you Michael and thanks for watching! 🙏
Great review! Now I am torn between the Civic SI and the new WRX!
can't go wrong with either really, just depends on what you prioritize.
Always look forward to your videos! New SI is good bang for buck. It always has been but the new one is really nice
Thanks Moises, I'm glad you like the videos!
Nice job Matt! I cannot get past the orange with the red interior....I could never buy the orange paint because of that.
Thanks for watching Jason!
Nice review Matt. Wish they would offer the package they have for the SI in Canada with the heated seats and steering wheel. It's going to be -2 in Michigan when I head to work tomorrow. If you get pay for that package and no dealer markup it would be a sweet ride... Maybe next year.
Thanks Mike! Yeah I wish they would offer those features here too.
the exterior design is a home run. Damn it looks nice.
The lack of heated seats is what 100% swayed me away from interest in this car
Look at the kia forte GT. You won't be disappointed.
Elantra N's in my area are marked up $4.5-5.5k depending on the transmission choice. Civic SI's are coming in under $30k in my area. I chose the Civic at the end of the day. I refuse to spend close to 40k for an Elantra.
Nice! I looked at a civic si today and they where marking it up 6k as well and I refused to pay that. Great car, just not worth the 6k market adjustment. Enjoy the car!
A review with a dashcam?, thats impressive. Great video matt!, cheers.
8th Gen looks the best
Very comprehensive review, squeezed alot of info into this video, appreciate it! 👍🏻
Thanks, I'm glad you liked it!
Heated seats for a daily driver it is a MUST. The Forte GT is a much better value alone compared to the Elantra N-Line just due to features.
why are they a must? they're cloth seats. Leatherette or leather, I get it but cloth seats don't really get cold.
@@steve9377 I might be different due to my spinal fusion. Heat feels great in all temps below 50° or so which ends up being a lot of the year in the Midwest.
Also, great review. Lots of very important details and love the comparisons.
My friend (at my urging) just signed for a 22, trading out of a long suffering 2013 Dart .
In Canada the SI comes very well equipped. Heated all the things. Full digi dash with shift lights. Fog lamps.
My friend isn’t really a car guy, but I think an SI will help him be a car guy in some small way that he wasn’t before. The balance of amenities and engaging drive pretty much ensure it will make him a bit more of an enthusiast in the long run.
Also, we know he takes care of his things because he kept a 2013 dodge dart alive for nine years 😂.
I also read somewhere that Honda underrated the engine HP, I wonder if it’s because they want to make the upcoming Integra more appealing?
Could be a similar case of where Chevrolet labeled the C5 Corvette with the LS1 at 350hp but then the 4th Gen F-Body Camaro/Trans-Ams were rated at “300hp,” despite making near 300whp ha.
@@g60corrado91 man knows his history. I forgot all about that!
@@Stingray_614 haha thanks! Could also be insurance reasons. Look at the German’s. They’re all MASSIVELY underrated.
Matt! How does the rev hang (warm engine) compare to 2022 brz/toyota 86? Love the channel!
Really enjoyed your review. Been trying to decide what I would buy when my ilx lease ends and the si is on the short list.
Great review! Seems like a solid update by Honda.
Now let's turn onto this back road and see how it does... this needs to be a shirt or poster thanks 😊
Great review brother, best I seen keep it up bro
Idk why a lot of manufacturers understate their engine outputs, I have a Fiesta ST Ford claims 197hp, 202lb-ft of torque. Stock on a dyno I've seen 205hp to the WHEELS and 220 lb-ft of torque to the wheels
Bc they want you to believe they did a whole bunch of chassis tuning and wizardy to make the car better when it's actually power that is doing the most work. Nissan did this with the GTR back in 2007 when it launched. They really advertised the hell out of the AWD system and chassis dynamics and then ran a really great time at the 'Ring. But they severely underrated its power as people later found out. Same with BMW. They underrated the new M3 bc they wanted people to believe it's a small/nimble like the original while putting down better lap times. But in reality the car is just bigger and more powerful than previous generations. Same with your ST. Those little things handle great. And Ford really played into how well they had tuned the chassis. But for a while the STs were spanking the BRZ/FRS twins on the track, even though the BRZ/FRS have similar power numbers, RWD, with an LSD (which should give them a super advantage). People were like: dafuq? When dyno-ed the ST was making like 20-30 extra HP...I think Honda is doing the same thing with this SI so people will buy into the "new" chassis tuning and the few parts they borrowed from the type R.
You are the best at reviewing man!
Thank you!
Great thorough analysis. Thanks Matt!
Thanks Tony, glad you liked it!
always fun to see your enthusiasm great review
I think I'll end up getting one of these, but first I'm gonna enjoy my 9th gen si some more, wait till next year's changes.
Just got my '15 si last year, but I wouldn't trade it for the world! I'm just a car lover though, and I'd love to see how this si feels. Same with the new gr86.
When Honda shortened the final drive, they created 1 less mpg and the result actually resulted in 2 tenths of a second slower to 60 time. ( according to Car and Driver).
Matt, really nice review of the new 11gen Civic SI!!! I have owned several Civic SI in the past (1989, 2006, 2014) and have enjoyed all of them for their driving characteristics and handling. I currently have a 10 gen Civic EX with 1.5T engine and CVT. I would like to get another SI. Miss the manual shifting. Not sure which way to go because my area Honda dealers are marking up the 2022 SI by $3k to $4k over msrp and the price for a used 10gen SI is also at or above msrp. Do you think pricing and availability of vehicles will improve in a year or so??
They are still pushing $40k with dealer ADM in many markets. Sweet little car, not enough to deal with the notorious Honda stealerships.
I think this car has aged very well over the last couple of years. Wish the engine was a bit more appealing to look at but that's the tiniest gripe in an otherwise great car.
Great review. I really like the exterior but the flashy red interior no longer suits this car. They have a nice sophisticated exterior but then go all boy racer with the gaudy red trim and red racing seats. I'd much preferred the nice black interior from the Touring.
Totally agree!
I would definitely be OK with replacing my Focus ST with this years SI it looks good all around
with a markup I think not
*2024 update* just purchased a 2023 model used with 18k on the odo
the fake noise is crazy lol. its not a bad car but i just dont understand why they had to water down the Si so hard starting with the last gen. I get that we get the Type R now but there's still room to make the Si special.
excellent review
Great review Matt!
Thanks for that excellent review! I am considering this vs the new WRX. Which has better ride quality? And which is overall more fun to drive?
Go test drive them both
I think for 3 grand less I might pick the Elantra N line. No LSD but slightly more hp, torque and more standard equipment....heated seats, wireless charging, longer warranty and no oil dilution issues.
Pass based upon price, ride and rev hang. Great review though! Keep up the excellent work, Matt!
They may have rated it for 87 octane. While on 93 the timing can advance quite a bit
Great review matt! Keeep it up!
Thanks, glad you liked it!
Doesn’t matter what the dyno say. It’s 0-60 is a slow 7 seconds.many testers have done the same numbers.
From what I heard it's that you have to shift into 3rd gear to get to 60mph, so that's where the slow time is accentuated. So it's not as slow to say 55... but then you have to shift.
Great review. Have a good idea of how the Integra will be
Hondata Flashpro completely eliminates rev hang and makes the car really open up.
I’m hoping a channel will do an updated comparison with this and the n-line. The straight pipes did it (in-depth review and auto cross runs) on the last body styles and the n-line debatably took the edge. Curious if that changed.
Wow that color looks really good with black accents
This design is a breath of fresh air.
Great review, I'm on my way to get one.
For me, I agree that Honda is doing this Civic SI a disservice. I really think it's a great car, and this SI at least, should deserve the love that Matt is giving in his review.
What's wrong with rev hang? Rev hang keeps the rev up when changing gears to keep power up. The new Si has a rev match feature.
That color is what I would choose if I were buying one. And I wish I were.
What are your thoughts on the reliability of the Elantra n? I just feel like Honda has a better rep than Hyundai in terms of reliability and the Elantra N could have more issues and less longevity.
Can we please get the Canadian version here in the US. That’s the only reason I’m still keeping my 2012 Si with 335,000+ miles.
Wow, impressive mileage!
I totally agree with you on the styling Matt,I think it’s more of a mature departure from the last GEN… I always keep saying this but for some reason it’s hard for Cortizone or’s to design flowing good designs on small cars and I think that attributed to the small canvas that they have to work with…
Great review as usual. It seems like a nice car but Honda is making it constantly harder to stay a loyal US fan when you compare the Si with the Canadian Si. Canada gets a lot more features... most are features we would want... and they get it at a better price than our stripped down US version. Already got one on order... if I didn't need a vehicle now, I would wait to see if they right their wrongs in the 2023 model.
Honda shafted it’s US customers.
I had the 21 hatchback sport but got totaled and now I’m getting this hopefully this weekend
No heated seats is a deal breaker for me
My cheap 2016 Jetta SE has heated seats, yet Honda couldn't include them in this Si. I don't get it....