Do I Regret Buying My Civic Sport Hatch 2.0 Manual? - 1 Year Ownership Review (2022-2024)
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- čas přidán 18. 04. 2024
- Its been 1 year since the purchase of my new daily driver, a 2023 Honda Civic Sport Hatchback, with 6 speed manual transmission. Here are my honest thoughts on the ownership experience so far, and what is in store for this car in the future.
Shoutout to @BCautosolutions for quality honda content and transparency with his experience with new cars, and which ones are the best buys. Please check out his channel and subscribe as well. - Auta a dopravní prostředky
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A couple months down the line and I'm still extremely happy I got this vehicle as well. Sometimes I wish it had a bit more oomph, but that's me being greedy. I've only ever truly wanted something I can trust to get me from A to B, every day for a long time. I had an interest in the model, did some research on it and found your videos and bought the vehicle because of how much you lauded the reliability of the vehicle. And as they say, it's more fun to drive a slow car fast than a fast car slow.
Man, people are spoiled. The Civic is way more punchy than my Fit.😆
the reliability is unmatched ! Can't go wrong with a civic ! Plus it looks good !!
I agree with you 💯% Well said. I got this car in black pearl a month ago & I love it! (Sport Hatchback)
@@lemoynetaylor5728 nice congrats !!! I got mine in white a month ago also lol. I tinted the windows 5% all around and 35 on the front windshield in CA. Wish me luck 😂 also did ppf on it ! And added and Si replica spoiler !!
@@catsspat weird way to loon at it. I feel a lot of people are selling sports cars to get civics rn. Like I sold my 2021 wrx base for a civic sport😂
I bought a 24 because of your videos! Boost Blue. Had it for a month now. Haven't driven a manual in 10 years and it's so much fun getting back into it.
Congrats! It’s such an easy car to drive manual on. Almost too easy, my goal is to make it harder! 🤣
Does it have rev match and a shift assist type of logic to help smoothly shift into gear. Always thought that would be good for begginers
Did you pay msrp or markup?
Ooo I have a 24 got it back in February and I love it! Wish I could’ve gotten a boost blue because it is absolutely gorgeous and I have a sonic gray but still love it in general! Definitely wanna get some upgrades done on it!
@@MartyMa-un9uqhe mentioned it in the first 7 minutes.
Just got my 2023 CIVIC Steering wheel issue fixed. A defected EPS Rack. Have been feeling like something was not right but finally have it checked out and acknowledged by Honda.
Still loving the car.
I really enjoy your thinking on details. It’s how I look at things too. I am going to be buying a 2.0L civic in the next month or so. I also love winter wheels and tires too!! Thank you for all the videos!
Loved the video! I got my sonic gray 2.0L sport hatch brand new in January of this year, I LOVE it, even with the CVT, coming from an 8th gen Civic EX. All the reasons you stated regarding reliability and the future of the K20C2 engine made me pounce on the opportunity to upgrade (I could see the handwriting on the wall with the hybrid coming). I also got mine with no markup (actually got a discount on MSRP), OTD just under $30k. I have nearly 4k miles on mine already and haven’t had any issues. Sorry you’ve had so many problems!
I bought this car in white because of your videos. I like it better than the Jetta it replaced.
It might be the last MT car that I can buy. The day of MT or even gas engine might not be available in a decade. I don't think the 2025 will have the an MT option.
2 dealers told me they don't order MT because " nobody wants them". But when the do accept one, they sell immediately because they are so hard to find. An oxymoron since they don't last on the lot upon arrival.
I only see CVTs on many new dealers listings with the base engine in my area which is a large metropolis and the only few manuals I see in most dealers listings are for the Touring, Si and Type Rs all turbos.
@@abraham3981 I bookmarked a couple of car sites (Edmunds, CarEdge) with the filters set properly (Civic Sport Hatchback Manual) and visited them every day for almost 6 months. I also bookmarked local Honda dealer sites, but some of them don't have proper filters for manual transmission, so those wouldn't be as useful. I tracked them as they came and went, just to see how long they take to sell, with VIN and color. I wasn't going to get anything but white, and I was in no hurry as long as 2024 model year is still alive. If nothing worked out until maybe July or so, I would've contacted a dealer to see if I can order one.
they don't sell because dealers don't understand enthusiasts
Yeah, no one wants mt anymore. Bs. I had to get an si for a manual since no one had a hatch in sport in manual. I love the si. I too replaced a vw. 2009 gti with 140k. Threw a rod and dont want to put money into it. Itll get me a couple or a few cr payments at least
@@fortheloveofnoise9298they don’t sell because people end up buying manuals when the rubber hits the road.
This video showed up on my feed - subscribed! I miss my 2010 Honda Fit base manual 😢 - it was so much fun to whip around in.
Glad you’re able to enjoy this new Civic, I think it’s one of the best looking small cars in decades!
Thank you for the comment and sub!!
GREAT REVIEW, MANG-----love the POV angle, which allows me to see the rear glass and appreciate how the dash is laid out and how the pillars look relative to the glass. Also, great info about repairs, and all that: we needed this anti-dote to the prepackaged reviews we often get.
More great video content. I will have to purchase one of these before they are gone
I purchased the 2024 1.5 Sport Touring Hatchback manual in February, and no issues. Very happy with it so far! No leaking hatch. The manual transmission is great.
Thanks for the content!
‘23 silver sport hatch 6spd bought new. I have zero regrets. I love mine.
Thank you for this video! Have been on the fence about getting a new Civic hatchback or making some big repairs on my car to get it over the 200,000 mile mark. This seems much better than the nightmare I'm going to get into with my car.
I like how you explain things..about your car..very informative 😅
Enjoyed your 1 year review and looking forward to following your journey with the I'm afraid last naturally aspirated 2.0 ltr manual in Hondas' lineup. Just to vent, let me simply say I'm so disappointed the EPA along with other gov't agencies have taken away bit by bit, our love of driving what we want and soon I'm afraid when we want. Happy memories of motoring my friend.
I hear you my friend! Next year things are taking a turn for the worse
And is the injection to your liking? Or is a No! Full-stop! Period! End of discussion!
I love BCAS great content
I been watching your vids since you’ve been making them. I’m so conflicted lol. I really love this car as a long term daily driver but a used Veloster N is also around the same price. Different philosophy but both hatchbacks and manual. I think it’s a situation where my heart and my brain are fighting. Great vids tho!
I REALLY WAN THIS CAR, ive been saving up for all year so I can put down a payment on one, cant wait to get my hands on one of these
I was set on this exact car for my next daily....but that new Camry is such a tempting commuter. The base model would be almost the same exact price.
I have a few other fun cars already, so a pure appliance wouldn't be the worse thing in the world for me.
My thoughts exactly. You get a lot more for your money with the Camry. (And I'm a Honda buyer)
Drove it from the dealer in Texas to Menands the day I bought it and watched the eclipse up there, then drove it back to Texas a couple days later 4,300 miles total. Had 20 miles on the odometer when I bought it.
Awesome how do you like it ?
@@NAUS2Klove it, this is my 9th brand new Honda starting with the 2002 civic Si.
Preach, brother 👍🏼
I've had my 2024 Hybrid Hatch in the Advance Spec for about 6 weeks now, With a whole load of toys, It's great, I'm driving it normally and getting around 51mpg. The Bose sound system is perfect. The only thing that's annoying is all the safety prompts alerting you all of you speeding, going over the white lines and freaking out when you are overtaking cyclists/ center line on the road. In Eco mode it tends to want to go into EV mode quite often, meaning you're saving money. Mines in Sonic Grey as well, I watched you video on fitting the rear spoiler and also fitted one using your video, I went for Berlinetta Black as this matches the black theme around the car and gives the rear more contrast. I bought it from Cox Honda online and fitted it meticulously myself.
The heated Steering wheel is an awesome feature that my favorite comfort in the car, it's that good.
I also watched your video on corrosion from the rear suspension bushes and arms- I've spent a lot of time protecting my Civic. I've completely coated the underside and removed all four wheel arch liners and coated theses areas with the best underseal that money can buy- Bilt Hamber Dynax SC50 and Dynax UC for all the areas underneath that are slightly visible, SC50 for everything else.
The entire front end, including headlamps, 'A' pillars, lower sides and front section of the roof and loading area, Not to mention the 'B' and 'C' pillar gloss black trim that can get really swirled up with scratches has been protected with PPF using Xpel PPF. Ceramic coated the PPF with Gtechniq Halo V2. The entire rest of the car including ALL the plastics have been ceramic coated in Carpro Dquartz Go. Interior has been ceramic coated with DIY Detail Interior Ceramic, The leather seats and Steering wheel has been protected with Gtechniq Leather Guard. All the glass has been treated to Soft 99 Ultra Glaco.
I've bought the best products for the car as its only a small amount more to buy thee best. I also highly recommend Gtechniq Ceramic sealant C2 version 3 as a 6 month protection that's super easy to apply after a couple of weeks when the Ceramic coatings have cured. The Sonic grey looks better then day one when it was picked up new. 264 miles in and nothing to say other then the rear spoiler I fitted hasn't bonded very well for some reason. But it's very very secure. The only area that's troubling is just in one place on the left inner section by the left corner of the glass window. So far so good. 🙌
How do you disable the speed warning? And the lane departure assist thing? It’s ANNOYING!
@6sic666666 I've learned to live with it. There are some settings only available when the ignition button is switched on. Also I have now been able to activate Android auto wirelessly now, there is a back door setting that takes you to a secret screen that enables you to turn this feature on. Have a look on CZcams and there a couple of videos that show you how to do it. It involves holding 3 display buttons down when switching the ignition on. You'll need to wait 24hours and unpair your phone and reactivate your Bluetooth connection
I had a 2022 Sport Touring with identical problems and I bought a 2023 Passport Touring, which I'm very happy with.
great video! i agree with almost everything you said about how manuals slow the car down. only thing, i never ever downshift to "save the brakes" and i never downshift to a stop at a red light. i downshift sometimes, but only to be in the proper gear for the situation. to each his/her own, but that's just me. i traded my 2010 civic with 218,000 miles, original clutch; and my 2002 rav4 with 200,000 miles, also original clutch. regardless, thanks for the great video, and good luck woth your beautiful new stick civic sport!
Great video. I enjoyed all the ones I have seen from you. I forgot who posted the vudeos with the found solution for the water leak on the hatch. The spoiler you have looks better that the other one offered as OEM. And yes, I prefer this engine for the reliability and longevity. Even Scotty Kilmer stayed hevwould take this engine over the 1.5L turbo anyday. I originally wanted one of these in Boost Blue Pearl or Sonic Grey Pearl, snd I see quite a few here in Honolulu, but I decided that I am going to get an Urban Grey Pearl HR-V Sport. It will be just under $30K with all the OEM accessories I want, before the stealership scalping fee. I have a number of add ons I plan to put on it, but probably few performance mods, exceot fir msybe the Pedal Commander later, a K&N air filter replacement and maybe get slightly lowered stiffer Eibach coil springs if I feel it has too much body roll, but probably not.
Most if the rest of add on accesories would be customization or things like a dash cam and easily installed energency lights.
The most exoensive upgrade will probably be Rockford Fosgate
Punch stock lostion repacement speakers and a 4x100 watt amp. I may not even need a subwoofer.
I’m 7 months into the ownership of my ‘24 and I agree with pretty much everything you’ve said. I haven’t had any issues with mine, I just wish the thing would engine brake 😂. I’ve also gotten several “nice cars”, which is definitely surprising. I think the red and black look plus the stylings definitely make it look more premium than it is.
I’ve got a ‘20 Type R that’s been amazing and considering a used MT Civic for my son as a graduation gift. Great video and very helpful. I’ve been a Honda fan all my life and prefer manuals so I’m happy they continue to offer that option for us remaining “purists” lol.
Beautiful car men 🎉
The looks are starting to grow on me.. and yes... The engine - transmission combo is great.. I'd probably buy one, if I was looking for a new car... And, after a few years, maybe, just maybe throw in a high output K-series 😊
I bought the 2024 EX turbo with CVT. I actually love how smooth and quietly it accelerates so very happy with the turbo/CVT. Its got plenty of pep to get up to speed too. Shifting again would be cool and noticed how smooth your car shifted in the video but in congested areas where I live not so much fun. Interior feels and looks well built and not cheap. Heating doesn't seem to hit the feet too well so my feet stay cold while rest heats up(minor). At first was angry at the lane assist but have learned how to use it with cruise control and its great on long trips but not totally reliable on semi sharp turns. I had the leak in the hatch but it seems to have gone away(got to check again though as haven't checked in awhile). When I shut the trunk I just give it extra ump in closing and haven't seen it again. The 2 biggest issues to me are the stereo(get the bose!) and the road noise - atrocious. Kind of upset hearing they're fixing the road noise for 2025 cause I'd enjoy the car significantly more with less road noise but still feel I made a very good choice. pd 29k, getting about 37mpg. Good luck with you Civic!
Yea, I love mine. I have the leaking hatch, but now know what to do. Thanks for that. Zero engine braking is not great, but overall I agree with you as well. It’s great for what it is. I can put bikes on the roof and have lots of storage. I have almost 30K miles in first year. Hoping to get 300K, that would be the goal.
Wait was there a solution for leaking hatch in this vid? Tia!
Oh wow you drive so much.
@@WuCandicejust pull the plugs out and replace them
Beautiful car. I got the 23 sport touring hatch with a manual and am still loving it. The only thing I *might* regret one day is getting the more complex engine, as I hope to keep mine for 200k+ miles. Mine has been solid for the first 23k miles, aside from the sticky steering (not the recalled issue). Getting a new rack in soon, although I’m suspecting this may be a software issue first various reasons
this car better make it to 1 million miles.
I am actually excited about the new EHEV civic. I hope they dont have any leaky trunk issues.
I haven’t heard of EHEV. Does that mean hybrid and what else? Thanks
just picked up my FL5 for msrp and i have the dash rattle too lol. 11th gen platform is great!
I have a '13 Accord LX 6MT. 135K miles. I'm so tempted to sell it and get this Civic but I have had no real issues with the Accord - aside from some oil consumption. This Civic looks like a great daily and it's likely about the same size as my 9th. gen. Thanks for the update!
My 2008 accord coupe consumes 1 quart after 3k miles when the oil change is new. After that I have to fill it up like half a quart every 2 weeks. Wish I would have looked into the issue when I first got it but its a good car and runs fine.
No offense taken. I listened to bc also. Hopefully the Civic will have less issues with that 1.5 than the Accord and CRV as the are heavier and tuned to 192/192.
It's probably gone after this year. I was one of the guys that originally thought you did not care for the car, and who would blame you. But that is wonderful to hear you would purchase it again. Nothing worse than buyers remorse.
Got mine just like it, 6 speed MT 2.0 naturally aspirated engine for the longevity of it June last year and I already have 15000 miles as of May 2024. I have had no issues and I I am having 2 people buy one brand new soon. We need to keep the manuals alive. My daughters are turning 15 and 16 soon and I am thinking i buying them one. When I bought mine for 27400 the ones that were a year or two old were 24K or more with 30,000 miles or more. Better buy brand new.
Nope it’s my first time seeing your channel. Your channel just popped up so I’m watching. I don’t know you or your experience but I’ll learn now as I’m considering this car. However 2025 has some revisions and a hybrid and I bet you are all over that now. I may wait for that.
Heck out the other recent vids in the channel my man! I go over my thoughts on the 2025 civic lineup , no more manual transmission on anything but the type R and Si 😕
@@NAUS2K yes sir I watched a couple more last night. Thanks for taking us along for the ride !
Another great video! Thanks so much for your reviews and opinions. I am a honda guy all the way. Have a 21 accord sport se and a 17 CRV both with the 1.5 turbo. Fortunately absolutely 0 issues. My CRV has 106,000 miles and it is smooth as silk but I am a beast on maintenance. If you change your oil every 5000 miles and CVT every 30,000 miles they will last 200,000 miles plus.
I will be looking to trade in my CRV at the end of the year. Due to your vids most likely will buy the civic sport hatch. It will have to be with the CVT 🙁…..wife has no desire to learn MT.
One question….how is the road noise? Had an 04 civic. Loved the car but road noise was prominent.
Thank you for mentioning the rattles and engine leaks. I remember watching a video comparing a made in North America Rav 4 Hybrid vs a made in Japan Rav 4 Prime. The Japan made car felt a lot more solid and had no rattles compared to the rattly and loose feeling N.A. car. I feel like this is steering more towards a made in Japan Mazda 3 GT manual hatch. That and 191hp vs 158hp with better fuel economy. Also the 3's engine's VVT kicks in at 3700rpm vs 6000rpm in the civic. Civic has the better trunk and rear seating area though......
Deadmau5 classics bruv, digging your music taste. Great album.
My high school/ college iTunes library from 10+ years ago hits just right sometimes! Though all my album artwork is mixed up now on every mp3 file so that Deadmau5 album cover was actually on a different artist haha. I usually just use pandora but pretty lights & Calvin Harris radio are on quite often!
Love the 10th gen LX. My only regret is that I should have gotten the Sport for slightly better handling and some tech features.
Naturally Aspirated is the way of the future, nothing beats that instant response to inputs
I was going to get the civic with the 2.0 and stick shift but I made the mistake of driving a si with the 1.5 turbo and six speed stick and I had to have the si . It’s so much fun to drive and the power from that 1.5 turbo is awesome ! It actually makes 224 hp and not 200 hp like Honda would have you believe.
Had an orange 11th gen Si and treaded it in for a wrx and it's been the best car decision I've ever made.
How so brother?
@@Jwillo91 The WRX handles and accelerates like a dream. With my Si it was always sluggish and the two wheel drive was lackluster. I have a blast driving it daily and I've had it for over a year now.
Thrown in some Acuity shifter cable and base bushings. They tighten everything up and remain comfortable.
I purchased a 2024 Sport manual because of your videos and am glad I waited a month for it. I wanted the power of the turbo but the responsible adult in me knew the 2.0 would be the best choice. I’m getting 42mpg at 70mph and 33mpg in the city. I installed the resonator plugs you sold me and am very happy with the sound now! Only issue I’ve had is the drivers door takes extra force to close so I’ll be taking it to the dealer next week to adjust it. The fit and finish is fantastic and am very very happy with this vehicle. It has plenty of power, loads of space and damn it looks good!
How come you didnt get the sport touring?
@@lucasbrown7317 Because "the responsible adult in him" won.
Dang you’re getting that good in the city? My 2023 2.0 6mt gets like 23-24 city and 36-37 highway and I’ve never taken it above 4k rpm. What’s your secret?
@@lucasbrown7317cause I really wanted the K20 and if was gonna spend touring money it would be an accord
@@bobjoe3566I get up to speed fairly quick and then modulate the throttle, time the stop lights and do your best not to have to stop, skip from 3rd to 6th at 43mph
I got my 2019 2.0t accord for 27,500 for a steal during covid. its an insane highway cruiser at 30mpg doing 80-90mph lol... Everyday the car makes me smile.
issues: weak paint, stock tires need to be a lil thicker, infotainment restarts occasionally, tighter maintenance, bad city mpg, slow to heat up in winter, 93 octane(some wont i do)
pros: tire squealer, highway machine, sleek, handling, road feel, transmission, interior.
you picked a good one too.
you would love driving the accord a lot the 10spd just wants to go.
Dang 27,500 that is a steal wish cars were affordable these days.
I got the rattles in the dash. I’m sure it’s behind the infotainment screen where the speaker is. The other rattle is in the dash more by passenger window. Maybe air bag area.
I finally got my 2024 Civic Sport Hatch 2.0 MT6 two days ago. $27,900-$1,600+$499+tax+reg/fee. Had to get it from a further away dealer because walkable-distance-dealer don't ever seem to get MT.
Dealer let me go with tires at 43psi (should be 33/32), and they didn't install the body plugs, even though it's checked in the PDI list.
Heck, they didn't even leave the plugs for me to install, and when I contacted them to mail them to me, they said they need me to bring the car in.
Drive an hour to get four rubber plugs? Are they f'n insane? I'm just going to a closer dealer to buy them. This is why I hold off on writing reviews.
I don't think the "technician" doing the PDI even read the thing. Steering wheel is slightly off center when the car is going straight. Driver side seatbelt adjuster buzzes.
Compared to my '19 Fit EX, Civic is too high class. Fit feels like a 90's budget car, raw and clanky. I actually kind of like that!
Civic engine is too quiet. Even less engine braking than the Fit (L15B1). Transmission is way tighter though, so it's easier to drive than the Fit.
Fit transmission is made in Philippines. Civic transmission is made in India.
This latest Honda-Sensing is no match for even the 2015 EyeSight. It's terrible at temporally tracking distances and it reacts like a lousy driver when stuff happens, like someone merging in front of me. EyeSight behaves way more like a good driver. 2024 WRX would be a much better car from that perspective.
I'm planning to swap the wheels/tires with Enkei RPF01 16x7 with 215/55R16. Yes, that is the same size as LX wheels. I like rubber. I'm going to sell the original wheels & tires. Waste of space.
Remember, I barely put 7,700 miles on the Fit in 5 years. I absolutely didn't need the Civic. I only bought it because I was afraid it may be the last chance to get a new non-DI, non-Turbo, MT car.
It's literally just another burden for me to store, drive, and maintain, as I don't even drive the Fit that much. You don't need to tell me I'm crazy, because I know.
Does minus $1,600 mean that you bought the car for $1,600 below msrp?
I like civics but man they have gotten so expensive. I literally paid below 30 OTD for my 23' WRX
@@GAMELORD1308 Yes sir. I've watched a lot of "car buying" youtube channels and read a bunch of articles. Kevin the Homework Guy, CarEdge, and many more. There are a lot of helpful info out there. I think the best thing is to never set your foot in the dealership door until you have the acceptable OTD (out-the-door) offer in your hand. By the way, I consider it a $1,200 below MSRP because I don't believe in doc fees beyond $100 or so.
@@BDA0531 2024 WRX Base was the close second choice for me. It's made in Japan, and JPY is really weak at the moment, so that helps with negotiability. As I wrote already, EyeSight is really that much better in my experience, also. Honda's non-DI, non-turbo, and hatchback style won me over the WRX's EyeSight more power. If Subaru made manual 2.5RS, that would've probably won me over, even with the DI. I consider even the Civic too big. I like small cars & trucks, like 80's and 90's single-cab pickup truck and what not.
@@GAMELORD1308 Yes, although I consider it $1,200 below MSRP, because $500 doc fee is nonsense.
It happened in our ‘19 & ‘22 Insight.
The 2025 has a revised front end and new wheels, with the addition of the hybrid model. Although, I think the hybrid is only available on the sedan. I have a feeling Honda is going to address the road noise issue in all the models, which has been a consistent call-out in almost every review.
Road noise was the main reason I bought versa which was not only significantly cheaper but also quieter
They haven’t revealed the 2025 civic yet….or have they?
Info has been leaked. If you like driving manual, it isn’t good news.
I have the identical car(6 speed manual). I love this car. I make monthly visits from NY to Ft Bragg, NC to visit my son. Absolute pleasure on long trips.
Disappointed that a moonroof option wasnt offered in the sport trim. I hate the black sport rims and tires. Prefer the rims and tires on the former LX trim. Plenty of power. Smooth shifting. Very easy to learn to drive a manual on this vehicle. I HATE CVT’s
No sunroof was a huge selling point for me, I needed the headroom. Also keeps the weight down and lowers the CG of the car a decent amount!
So few normal cars you can get with a manual, its always nice to have the option
My friend the spoiler is OEM Honda? thank you! Your videos are great 👍
Yes it is , I have an install DIY video on my channel with all the details check it out !
@@NAUS2K thank you so much looks beautiful....
I bought mine Civic Sport February 23. love it love it. Mine has the CVT and Paddle shifters and Love it. Mine cost 26k
Paddle shifters on cvt ? A cvt doesn’t have gears why putting paddle shifters ? Doesn’t make sense.
@@franckjoseph4806 bro asking like he designed it
@@mgstrip i didn’t ask him , read my comment again. My comment wasn’t a question.
@@franckjoseph4806 When merging into traffic behind a slow poke I drop it down to a lower belt position and then just pass them by. It works great.
Possible next for me in the Uk, watching various videos on this am bit aware of paint issues from older models you guys have shown in the usa.. Have honda fixed the bad thin paint issues or is that still on going.
I cross shopped this car with a Mazda 3 hatch. I wanted this car to be the one I got but it frustrated me that I couldn't get heated seats and heated mirrors without moving up to the turbo (didn't want a turbo engine). The Honda has more room and I think a more comfortable and simple interior...but the Mazda is great too and I have no regrets. Also, with the Mazda I got more power and a conventional auto instead of a CVT.
Nice car dood!
Alot folks love that Sonic Gray color & gets looks in my Accord.
I’m a fan of older Hondas, I think the newer ones have lost it in quality control. Made the switch to Subaru, 5 months in and 8000 miles. No rattling noises, no loose bolts. Works as it should and well made.
i have the type r version. i enjoy it alot
nice review sir...infact because of this review im strongly considering this car. But the ground clearance though does it do well on humps and bumps?
It has plenty of ground clearance unless you plan to off road it… which would be an interesting choice as it’s a civic
@@NAUS2K thanks for the 1st hand info. Will have a look at my nearest honda dealership this weekend and decide if ill go with it or check out the HRV. thanks again
We have 2 Gen 10s. One EX Coupe and one Hatchback Sport. Between the two, only one a/c issue, a warranty issue. 75k miles on each car. Will be traded at 150k.
This seems like a good car. I got a 22 Si and was beyond disappointed with it.
Why did you hate your Si?
Great video! We purchased a 2023 LX Hatch with the CVT and this motor and have been happy so far. Will have to watch for valve cover gasket leaks in the future. What is the YT channel you mention that ranks the best 3 Honda engines? Thanks
They are linked in the video description , check him out!
I like the looks.of your sport hatch better than the SI sedan.
I really wanted this car a few years ago, but couldn't find a dealer with the color I wanted... Ended up just getting a Fit because I needed something and I love it but I do think I might get a civic hatchback down the road still
I own a 2016 Honda fit with the L15 naturally aspirated 1.5 earth dreams...I replaced the muffler with an HKS hi power-silent and also replaced both Cats with Magnaflow hi-flow ...this car is pretty darn quick...yes I have the Cvt...but no problems I always run in Sport mode and it mimics a manual pretty well...Super Fun to drive!! also put B.C Racing coil-overs....80,000 miles no issues...Was your car made in Mexico just curious?
This is what the SI should be w the o.g. k20 not the E.D. 1.5 turbo. Personally love sedans but this hatch is growing on me
I have had my 98 5 Speed Sentra almost s year now and no regrets. Been in an accident and I rebuilt it and it has never broken down, even when it completely ran out of oil. I could never afford one of these Civics....waaaay out of my price range.
I tried so hard to get this exact car but they dont exist this year. I wanted naturally aspirated but went with the si for the manual. Ill post my regret video in a year lol
Rattling? Check the plastic cover on the window post. Press the top part.
I think the only thing I don't agree with you on is the engine braking. Mine seems to be just fine when coming up to red lights and in various highway scenarios. Compared to the Si's I've owned, maybe I have to do it slightly sooner, but not a noticeable amount. I've also had no steering rack or sticky steering issues, and no leaks anywhere. So far, this is the best new car that I've ever owned.
Glad you are enjoying it my friend! I have not driven a 10thgen civic so they may not have much engine braking either. However coming from my 2010 civic and 2007 Si, the engine braking is laughable in this car
Traded my 6spd Sport Touring Hatch since the L15 Turbo had next to no engine mods. Had it in Boost Blue. Traded it in for the Type R same color. Infinitely better.
Oh and my Sport Touring had a leaky hatch from day one.
Aye that's awesome! How would you describe the difference in performance and comfortability between the two? I've been looking at the civic hatch, but it seems underwhelming in performance. I want to keep the next car I buy forever and but not sure if it is worth it to stretch the budget for the R.
i have an eighth gen civ sedan exl that i'm keeping until the wheels fall off but if they fall off I'd likely get a 20-22 ILX (9th gen civ platform) for that 2.4 & DCT w/torque converter
Glad you're enjoying it, but I'd personally have dished out the extra 6-7k for an Si. Car will still hold it's weight even after many years & 100k+ miles
I've had the pleasure of driving a 2024 and I will be picking mine up soon. I can tell you that engine braking on this car is substantially more than the engine braking on the D15 Civic that I have and very comparable to the K24 9th gen I once had. I think you will be disappointed trying to increase the engine braking through tuning, but I can't fault you for trying. I think the reason you're used to cars with more engine braking has a ton do with the power steering system. Electric power steering has much less resistance than hydraulic. I do think the notion that off throttle in 6th feels like neutral is overblown. There is a stark difference. I have a hill in my area I can go from 65mph to 74 over the course of a mile down in neutral but in 6th off throttle it gradually drops off from 65 to 60.
My biggest complaint with this car is the oversized 18 inch wheels and the related oversized turning radius that comes with it. The gap between the inside of the wheels and brake discs is ridiculous. I might look into getting some 16 or 17 inch wheels down the line and downsizing from 235 rubber to 215. I would go down to 15 inch wheels but I'm afraid the brakes might not clear. I'm overall impressed with the car though. On paper I thought 6th gear would have been a bit too short but in reality it's perfectly fine. I do wish 2nd and 3rd were a bit shorter though. I really liked the gearing of the 9th gen Si where 1st, 2nd, and 3rd were really tight and then the rest of the gears spaced out in a really gradual but progressive way. Only issue with the 9th gen Si gearing is that the overall gearing was just too short. (should have gotten the 4.39 rather than the 4.76 final drive)
My favorite thing about the car other than the simplicity of the drivetrain is the insane handling. It corners like it's on rails compared to anything I've ever driven and still has a fantastic ride.
Check out my video on pedal commander, I show in detail with data how Honda has the throttle body programmed to stay open when off the throttle at higher RPMs , this allows less vacuum through the intake manifold and as a direct result, less engine braking. My old 2007 civic Si was electric power steering, my 2002 s2000 is electric steering, that has little to do with it . Honda does this to be more fuel efficient which is great and a smart move on their part, but if you want to have full control of the car and have it respond like a NA engine should when driving manual, that throttle body should close all the way when you let off
@@NAUS2K I look forward to the seeing the results!
I test rode Honda sport manual 2.0 , Honda tourer turbo manual , Mazda premium 3 manual and versa manual . While touring was best it was 15k more expensive than versa in addition to poor reliability for Honda turbo engine . The sport which is more reliable however was worse than versa when it came to road noise . It was also 9k more expensive . Other than break hold and keyless start all features were the same . Mazda test ride had electronic issues it would randomly shut off
So you end up buying a Ford😂😂😂
Do you think the OEM 18" rims are too big for daily driving?
I think it would be better with 17" or even 16"...
Any idea on when you’re thinking of tuning yours? I’d love to hear your thoughts on it. I certainly like the base map 93 tune, it’s fun and changed it quite a bit. I know you’re thinking of keeping on 87 though, so I’m really interested to see how that goes!
I may try and play with the 93, but keeping it a cheap and fun daily on 87 is the goal
I would pick this over the 1.5T with CVT any seconds
Continue, they have brand new si up to $750 below msrp right now they have a red 1 left check them out.
Well that’s great they are coming down in price and demand, but it doesn’t matter still because I don’t fit in them. The new sunroof design gives the headliner a laughable amount of headroom
the rattle is the infotainment unit in the center of the dash. there's a bloody tsb on it. I'm surprised dealer hasn't fixed it. i heard it during the video
Nope it’s not that. There were no dash rattles on the video. Any rattles heard in the video were from the engine bay
@@NAUS2K used to love chasing down these noises. was more fun when customer went with me on road test and it suddenly stopped doing it hehe. Curious as to what it is though if thats the area its from
Man, that’s quite a few problems actually for a Honda. Rattles in the engine bay, rattles in the dash, a leaky valve cover gasket, and a leaky hatch? That’s just unacceptable to me. Last April, I bought a new car as well, not a Honda, but a VW GTI 40th Anniversary Edition (6 speed manual). No rattles, no squeaks, no leaks. Not flawless, but close. And on short drives to our little town and back, about 31 mpg average, and on the couple longer trips I’ve made, 40 mpg. I’m glad I made the choice I did. Did you check out the GTI before buying the Civic?
Valve cover gasket leaking that soon is actually crazy
No doubt it’s crazy and uncalled for. Crazy fix though luckily
I have a 22 Civic Si, 23,000 miles no issues other than a leaky VC gasket which has been taken care of. Let's cross our fingers I don't have any other issues. The 1.5 isn't too bad for a daily but I do see the issues within that engine, I just haven't encountered them. Are they expected at higher miles? Or is it random?
Check out bc auto solutions (linked in the video description ). He is replacing failed gaskets on the 1.5Ts quite often. Last one he did was a car with 76000 miles and was misfiring
I don't think this is a bad car at all. They did a good job with the Civic platform and the hatchback gives you more space in the same car. My friend has one, it is a solid daily commuter car, if he has some bigger weekend trips where he and his wife pack a bunch of stuff into it, the trunk has the room. It gets good gas mileage, the manual transmission is good enough for its price, the interior cabin space is good and it is very unique in its segment, only the Mazda 3 hatch compares but these two are very different in terms of size and the Golf GTI is just not a contender here due to its interior and lack of physical buttons. The Jetta GLI would be a better comparison but it is not a hatchback to it doesn't compare either. My friend was interested in all of these but ultimately chose the Civic because it is physically larger and afford so much more room and he had no interest in going for something like an A4 allroad because it just isn't worth the money brand new. The Civic saved him so much money upfront and continues to save him money as where he lives the insurance is very low.
This is just a genuine question of curiosity, but did you ever consider the Mazda3 manual hatch? When I was shopping, I was pretty torn between the two, as the 2.5 skyactiv was also pretty proven for its reliability. Glad to see your civic has been trouble free for you!
I didn’t shop the Mazda 3 because it was a few thousand more $, and the exterior and interior styling is a downgrade imo. Visibility out the rear is worse than the civic hatch. Civic hatch has more cargo room and more interior room too which was priority for me being 6’3” and fitting cars seats behind me .
The only other port injected N/A manual car you can still get for 2024, is a Nissan versa 5 speed manual. MSRP 16,680. The thing is that Nissan engineers could not leave the true and tried conventional port injection system they had been using in that 1.6L engine as is and added an additional injector per cylinder.
I drove my brother's 2012 bare bones 5 speed versa new off the lot back in 2012 and the reality the 5 speed MT in that car new was much smoother than my current 6MT on my 2024 Civic sport hatch.
The synchros in my 2024 civic hatch 2.0L N/A were designed in such a way that if you shit at lower RPMs (2K to 2.5K RPMs) they tend to bump into the gear and not smoothly mesh when shifting. I did switched the transmission oil to AC delco friction modified but it made only a slight difference. The bumping synchros tend to happen less if I shift above 3K RPMs.
This is such a Honda thing, for decades 😂
@Save_the_Stick_Shifts
Yeah, the 6MT on my 2024 civic kills the driving enjoyment. It is annoying and I don't really enjoy driving my car as I wish I did. I've driven several manuals throughout the years, including 90s Honda civics, Toyota yaris, and even my first car a POS 1995 salvage tittle VW Jetta, and I don't remember a Manual being as rough with the bad designed synchros as this one. The fact thay my car is new with under 4K miles says a lot about Hondas 6MT quality these days.
If I ever find a new 2024 Nissan versa 5 speed manual I'll think about trading it in.
@abraham3981 it's been a thing since the 90s I think. My 05 RSX Type S has some resistance into second, usually when it is cold. I have heard the more modern Type Rs suffer from this too.
@@Save_the_Stick_Shifts Yes, I will be switching the transmission fluid again in the near future to Redline MTL and hoping for a slight improvement. After this experience, I will no longer be a Honda customer.
@abraham3981 the saving grace is they do last.
It’s a great car, I got the sport touring because that’s what was available and I love the features and the torque but I wish I didn’t feel the need to baby the engine so much, I don’t think the k20 needs to be babied
Dealer that my friend works for on Long Island had one listed for $30k ($5k markup) on a manual sport hatch and they said they wouldn't go any lower. You said there is no other manuals in the price range, but that is not true, I ended up buying a 6 speed Jetta sport for the msrp of $24k, a year ago now. while there is some difference in looks and material quality, i was shocked to find the jetta with the new 1.5t was mor enjoyable to drive in my opinion, as well as more powerful and more fuel efficient. I feel like nobody talks about the jettas unless its a GLI and thats a shame because the sport trim level for its low price is a great option, and I have never had a single issue with mine.
That dealer is out of their mind then. They may start marking them up now with Hondas latest leaked info. No more manuals in the regular civics next year, buckle up!
What car seats do you have? And are they forward facing? I am shopping for a convertible car seat with this car and I have concerns about it forward facing with the fixed headrests. Have you had any issues with that? My daughter will be rear facing for another year but want to get one that works well forward facing. Thanks!
I have not even thought about the fixed headrests to be honest, both my kids are still rear facing. We use britax 1 for life seats now. When they are flipped to front facing though, I’d be surprised if the rear ancor strap didn’t sinch down tight enough to make the seat sit at the proper angle, the heat rests arnt super hard. But very interested to try it out now that you mentioned that
Message me on Instagram @ naus2k_ . If I get some time here in the next few days I’ll see if I can test fit them and send you some pics
Nice car 🙀
I love my civic 11th gen. Disagree with your thoughts on 8th gen civic si!!
I think the rattle in the right side of the dash is some sort of unfixable design flaw. I have a 2024 manual Integra, and when it's cold I have the same rattle in the same place as you. Regarding the gasket issues, I think that it is a general Honda problem not a 1.5t engine problem. You yourself leaky gasket on your new 2.0 engine. Back in around 2002 my 1997 Civic LX's gasket started leaking and my 2014 2.4L Accord also had the same issue. In all cases it was pretty easy to replace the gaskets, but it still happened to all of them. I'm sure my new Integra will have the same issue. Oh, I forgot to mention that my best friend's S2000 eventually also had to get the gaskets replaced. Important to note that I treat my cars as if they were made of glass and keep up with all the maintenance.
The 1.5T has head gasket issues. The 2.0 has valve cover gasket issues. One is far more catastrophic than the other !
What do you think about the mazda3 manual? I like the interior of the mazda3 a lot but the civic has such a stylish exterior.
Mazda 3 manual was a few thousand more and is direct injection. Not that it’s unreliable , but this car seemed simpler to me and had much more Interior and cargo room for a cheaper price
hows the interior room? im 6'2 would my head be touching the sunroof? i havent been able to find one local to find out for myself.
There is no sunroof in this car,check out my video on why I didn’t buy the Si, I go over headroom in detail in that video
Very good point A to B car. Just way too underpowered for my liking. Almost 9 seconds to 60 is just too slow and I like to have a little fun every now and then.
What happened to your 8th gen?! I commented on one of your videos a while back about interest in this car while also coming from an FA1. I ended up getting an FL5 in January, while still driving the FA1!
I sold it. Looking back part of me regrets letting that fantastic little car go. But the views you guys give me on this new car are worth it. Thank you!