Carmela tells Tony she is filing for divorce; Tony is not happy.
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- "You're entitled to shit."
Carmela and Tony go out to dinner, where Carmela "ambushes" Tony by telling him that she is filing for divorce. Tony calls Carmela out about how she walks around in her fuckin' mansion, in her $500 shoes and her diamond rings, and acts like butta' wouldn't melt in her mouth.
Then, she's ready to order!
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En que capitulo paso eso?
“She’s ready to order” 😂😂🤣 bro someone give these writers a medal
The actors, too. You can tell it takes a toll to play those roles
@@dongiano you couldn't let the dude have his comment you just had to interject the actors aswell it takes a toll lol
@@joeltaveras4553 Let's play nice: they both made good comments, and both deserve an upvote.
@@joeltaveras4553 jeez he wasnt even being negative he was just bringing up a good point relax
@@joeltaveras4553 do you come here to start shit with people?
If you check the time, Tony said to Artie at 0.37 to give them a minute and he came back at 1.37.
The Sopranos ladies and gentleman
That's very interesting! i BELIEVE that someone else actually left an IDENTICAL COMMENT to yours a few days ago on another comment on this video; perhaps that was also you, or you noticed what they said and made a dedicated comment? I don't care either way, and I'm grateful for you for bringing it up, so I'll throw a like and a pin on it. It's an interesting tidbit of trivia, and something that I'd never noticed: thanks for bringing it to everyone attention!
As I've said before: I've seen this series over a DOZEN TIMES in its entirety, yet every time I watch I notice one or two new things, so thanks for pointing this out!
Artie Bucco: "Warm and convivial host." I guess the NJ Zagget should've added PUNCTUAL as well!
@@mcnamaraky thank you for you reply. I haven't seen any comment like mine, I realized it accidentally by watching it for the Xth time. 😄
@@hamzakurtovic7599 I believe you and don't see any others after some brief scrolling. I can only conclude that it was probably either just a double notification from CZcams, which either appeared twice for whatever reason (sometimes if comments are either deleted and reposted, or edited, it can pop up again) or, possibly, I simply noticed this notification on my home PC and on a mobile device, and thought it to be two separate ones.
Thanks again!
I did same thing and this is so funny
At least he didn’t come back telling them “the way you two are looking at each other, we are gonna need a high chair at the table in 9 months” lol
Carmela: "You want this to get ugly Tony? Because these guys live for that"
Tony: "And you think I dont?"
Baller
He is just a mob boss, they're lawyers he better be careful.
Tony’s had some of the coldest rebuttals I’ve ever heard come out a persons mouth b4
"I want what I am entitled to."
"You're entitled to shit"
God the banter between these two actors was some of the best acting that has ever graced a screen.
she killed that man so hard he died in real life too.
"provide the minimum i need to live" Walks around all day in a mansion with nothing to do
With diamond necklaces and rings.........spare me.
Exactly what I was thinking!!
She's entitled to shit.
BUT, she does get to order dinner, on Tony!
WHEN I’M GONE YOU CAN LIVE IN A FUCKING DUMPSTER FOR ALL I CARE!
@@Nobody-so9sh like how he says "when" he's gone. Like he already knows he's gonna go before her. Either prison or the grave.
Yeah, you tell that fictional character!
She threatens her Mob Boss husband saying her attorneys live for an "ugly battle". Meanwhile, her husband got a crew of hitmen.
Tony owned up to what he did, Carmela didn’t
Do you really think a mob boss would put heat on himself by having every single attorney murdered. It would be obvious who did it. So murder is definitely out of the question for the most part at least. He would definitely extort them tho
@@grantsuppes7071 No one said that, you lack understanding. The point is she threatened him with the Attorney, no boss is afraid of a lawyer
@@MyfavoritecutiesI disagree with this. I don't feel Tony every OWNED UP to anything.
He ADMITTED what he did, but owning up would be making it right. Owning up would be making Davey Scatino right, or returning money he stole from helpless victims.
They're BOTH hypocrites, but the biggest difference is Tony is a violent sociopath who commits murders and violent crimes to make a profit.
Carmela just married someone for money. Yes, she knew WHO she was marrying, but there IS a distinction between the two in that Carmela doesn't actually murder anyone.
And let's not get this twisted: I am NOT calling her a saint by any means. As the psych told her "The one thing you can't say is you haven't been told."
So she is a willing participant to some extent, but not to the extent where she commits violent crimes and murders. She's just married to a guy that does and pretends by going to church and ironing his clothes she has nothing to do with it.
SHE DOES! SHE IS A HYPOCRITE! Why does she go to all that church stuff and donate to the church and do all that crap? Because she has had a guilty conscience about it for years and has to do SOMETHING to assuage the guilt.
Tony, however, feels almost NO GUILT. He is a sociopath more likely than not. There IS a distinction.
They're BOTH hypocrites, but Tony is a sociopathic murderer in addition.
Carmela is someone who turns a blind eye in order to benefit, but she doesn't pull any triggers herself. Furthermore, however, is that it is shown that *Carmela does feel SOME guilt.* The extent of it is debatable, and it's obviously not ENOUGH guilty to do with the shrink told her ("...take the kids and leave...it's blood money") but she feels some MODICUM of guilt, which makes her distinct from Tony who feels none.
Again: NOT ABSOLVING HER. She is a terrible person in her own right. There IS a distinction though.
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Tony accurately points out all the human suffering that paid for the Mansion, her shoes and all the other creature comforts that she enjoys - something Carmela would not admit to herself.
While Tony murdered, blackmailed, stole and corrupted other Buisnesses. Oh, yes. He hes spot on....
Both of them are equally broken Characters. I love it. Sopraos ftw.
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She DOES actually admit it. When she goes to see the shrink (the one who calls out all the hypocrisy and evil that goes along with Tony), she does so because she's thinking of all of this and does feel guilty for it
However, her guilt ends up being outweighed by her love of the life of luxury: instead of listening to the shrink who is COMPLETELY HONEST AND BLUNT about who, and what, funds her lifestyle and who Tony is, she keeps searching for someone who will validate her staying with Tony. This way, she can claim: OTHER PEOPLE THINK ITS OK (and a PRIEST TO BOOT!), SO IT MUST MEAN IT IS OK!
She was fishing for someone to stamp her relationship with a murderous mob boss as OK, and once she found one, she listened to him.
We can see she ends up OK with this arrangement, as she almost never brings these feelings of guilt up again.
So yeah! She definitely admitted it, but once she found someone willing to OK it, she goes along with that path and pushes all of that guilt out of her mind.
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@@alucardzutain6062lol, no. She is way more a55hole than him. She knew he was an mobster and yet still agreed to marry. Moreover, all this time she tried to convince everyone and herself too that she is pure christian. She is way wprse than Tony, Tony at least honest with himself
“Your thousand dollar shoes and your diamond rings and you act like butter wouldn’t melt in your mouth and you don’t want it to get ugly? Too late.”
“I want what I am entitled too.”
“You’re entitled to SHIT!” She’s ready to order!”😂😂😂🤣😂🤣 these writers are effin incredible
So many VERY important scenes are so funny. The 90lb mole joke, the "Whatever happened there..." line, "She musta crawled under there for warmth" line, "I can't find pussy anywhere", "I did, then I put it in drive", "What you want is a Hyundai and a simple gold heart on a chain", "this therapy is a jerk off..", "Was it chalked?" etc
The brutality and unintended ramifications of some of the lines can make them hilarious. It's one of the funniest yet intense shows ever - very likely will be at the top of the list forever.
Damn he will never get over the bird feeder
AND DON'T DENY IT AGAIN!
It's the ultimate betrayal. That was the nest egg he'd been putting away for the ducks!
@@annematthews1837 "That was a different! That was a whole different thing. They were ducks!"
@Shah of the shinebox You would get mad too if someone stole money from you
40 grand in the stock market! I ask for my piece but wait, there's nothin
Love this scene. Tony does a 180 emotional swing and Carmella gets put in place being pointed out her hypocrisy. Love it. Classic sorpranos!
"You're entitled to shit."
Thanks, glad you enjoy the scene as well! For all of those reasons that you listed, and more, are why I enjoy this scene as well That line alone that I just wrote above, "You're entitled to shit" by itself already elevates the scene with its humor. The fact that the scene is so funny while also showing all of the things you wrote in your post, and more, is why I love it. Everything about it is funny, even while being serious: classic Sopranos indeed!
Thanks for watching!
Bang on
@@mcnamaraky it's not a funny scene, though.
@@dongiano Why am I laughing at it then?
@@Ironislander4302 did you delete your comment? Lol
The hypocrisy in this scene is so perfect because it swings both ways you could argue neither of them have any good qualities at this point. Tony is a monster his illegal activities, burglary's, murders, exploitation of the working man and running girls paid for everything they have. Carmella knew all about it and acts holier than thou and says she's entitled to it like her and her daugher more important than the strippers that paid for everything they have.
Carmela tried to get him out of the life you bell end. Tony's a murder but oh because she spends money like every wife ever that makes her just as bad? What kind of moron are you? When you graduate high school in like 10 years and get into a real relationship that doesn't involve over the pants handies behind the bleachers maybe you'll understand.
From the outset of the show its been established that Tony is the biggest piece of shyt in history,while as the show progressed,that skeeza is outted😂😂😂 best show ever
I don’t think there’s hypocrisy on Tony side he’s true about what he is. “Fat fucking crook from nj”
"You're entitled to shit."
Whoa, He really crushed Carm with that.
Darn Skippy! In The Book A Man In Full, Raymond Peepgass A Bank Executive makes $10,033.00 per Month but after his infidelity that resulted in a child, a bitter divorce he's lucky he has anything left and lives in a $625.00 Apartment per month. He realizes how one mistake costed him big time bad.
Carmella: I'm aggressively pursuing custody of AJ.
Tony: Is that meant to upset me?
Keep him...and pay for him
I literally yelled “Artie get your ass out of here!”
@@DrummingwithZiggy no....he means out. How are you that tone deaf? Artie kept coming up and interrupting. So no, he means "out of here"
Idk if you noticed but he literally gave them ONE minute before he came back😂😂
The gigantic difference between Furio & Artie
Ge - GET BACK IN YOUR HOLE. Artie... you're doing a great job
@@wonderfulfebruary 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
I love how angry Tony is, the more truthful he is.
Love how Tony disowned Carmela for trying to steal his property
This is a human trait, not an Tony one lml
“Go stand over there. I’ll call you when I’m ready.” BOSS
Lol
Gotta admit Tony was right….. You marry a mob guy side chicks come with the marriage, Tony lived up to his end, big house, nice cars, vacations, spending money…. Carm was stupid to ask for more
Old ass comment to resurrect but Jonny Sac (as far as we know) was loyal to Ginny.
@@moafwaz5563
He was the only one… And he was made fun of behind his back…
Not to mention that she accused Tony of cheating when she cheated.
She's still right in pursuing a divorce and trying to get out of that life. Tony probably ends up dead or in jail by the end of the series.
@@mattsivits9834 It's almost like being around toxic, shitty people isn't a healthy thing to do huh
It baffles me how all these mob boss wives think they're just gonna waltz right outta the marriage with half.
I know right? I mean, after all, they don't believe in divorce: they believe in the nuclear family!
Honestly though, I bet if anyone could waltz out with half, it'd be Ginny Sack. Although in her case, she'd be waddling out, not waltzing.
@@mcnamaraky shed be getting fork lifted outta there
How would that work exactly? Do mob bosses file their taxes? Wouldn't "the man" get suspicious of the money?
@@kuhanblock9380 nah the wife would get wacked
@@kuhanblock9380 the tax return is nothing as she mentioned. She wants more. She's mentioned that to her lawyer too.
"Go stand over there, I'll call you when I'm ready" lmaoooo
This will always be one of my top scenes from the show. Throughout the entire series Carmela lives the luxurious housewife life getting expensive gifts, anything she wants, want to cheat on tony with multiple men but never getting the chance to, spending whatever money she wants (like forcing tony to make a $50k dono to meadow’s college) and she walks around like she is a holy saint who only does what is right. And on top of that the fact she draws tony to the restaurant to tell him she is already lawyered up, and is coming for AJ and half of the assets tells you her motives its all about money for her. And thats the whole reason she stays with Tony. Money. So the fact that Tony calls her out on her hypo-critic bs right to her face is so perfect
All true. In the same token, Tony is barely around the house, mostly goes around hanging out, doing drugs, banging goomahs (constant cheating), really contributes nothing emotionally to their marriage or raising their kids, doesn’t make Carmela feel secure about her future if he dies… and then essentially thinks she can’t divorce him and has no right to. They’re both hypocrites and narcissists. They were made for each other
And why the fuck Tony stays with her, just to have a wife infornt of the guys and that having a family and being a family guy gives him a better rating and placing him higher in evrybodys view, she cheats on her with every moving skirt.
Had the priest spend the night not to mention she kissed the plumber/drywall guy or whatever his title was and wanted Furio sooooo bad...Heffa please.
this comment is insanity.
i’m sorry are we talking about the same Tony that cheated on her throughout their whole fucking marriage? her kissing some other guy 1 time and having a priest spend the night doesn’t compare at all.
2:03 Truth bomb from Tony.
The look on his face when he leans down at her, that is the look of Wrath incarnate
"You're entitled to shit."
I like the detail of Artie coming back almost exactly 1 minute after Tony sent him away the first time
Funny his reaction was not AJ at first but his assets.
This family comes before everything. Everything. Before your wife and your children and your mother and your father. It's a thing of "honor."
(I wish I had bigger quotes to convey how much emphasis I put on them as air quotes, but that'll have to do. Honor my ass: it's all about da money. Hence why his mind goes there first).
Or no, I'm sorry,fuck: it's because he believes in the nuclear family!
Also, don't forget: "[Tony] saw his face when he went to the mall... and he wanted to go to the movies."
"What [is he], six years old?!"
-Season 2 Episode 10 - Bust Out
This cracks me up. She thinks she signed an employment contract with some corporation.
She knew every step of the way how it worked.
@@mcnamaraky Yes, but she thought her husband's power was her possession.
carmela is probably the only person who could stay calm like that during this. the rage in tony’s eyes is palpable through the screen
I would say Melfi is one, Carmela is the other. I actually think Melfi more so because Carmela sometimes does lash back out and yell, whereas Mefli has not once yelled or denigrated Tony.
I have another video about a session Tony has with Mefli where she just COMPLETELY backs him down over his accusations about Gloria, and HE is the one to break eye contact, back away, apologize, and pick up what he knocked over.
The look Melfi gives Tony in this scene almost says "I do everything I can to help my patients: what did YOU do to help? And what do YOU do to help others?"
Check it out if you're interested, it's on my channel I have 2 Melfi clips (again because I couldn't find them) that I added. I truly think the one is the only example in the entire series where TONY is forced to back down by someone. Every other situation he's the boss and he gets his way. But when he makes those accusations about Melfi: she's not his subordinate, she's not his flunkie. She looks him right in the eyes and throws it back.
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Tony is looking like...DIVORCE??? (are you kidding me?)🤣🤣🤣
"We're Italian, we don't believe in divorce. We believe in the nuclear family!"
"Would you listen to yourself?"
Gotta love how Tony disowned Carmela
“You what this to get ugly tony cus these guys live for that”
Tony: “oh you think I don’t?”
GYAT DAYUMMMM
Scariest line in the whole series lol
He was right. His entire life and business is around shit getting ugly.
@@MarkT1700 give me a break
@@lilmane1070 break granted 🧞
Our assets 😂 Carmela always wanting his money
I go back to this clip all the time. I realize something different every time. This time I realize Tony accuses more than 1 person of being greedy when the first thing that upset him in this scene was her saying "our" instead if "his"
Ive watched the ENTIRE SERIES multiple times (easily 5-10 times, every episode), and I too am always noticing new things whenever I do a rewatch.
It's so many hours that of course the viewer will be running into new tid-bits
@@mcnamaraky same thing. I pretty much have The Sopranos going on one of the tvs in the house
@@dongiano We are not alone good sir (or madam).
You know what's interesting too, is that I recently went back to school about 2 years ago to finish a degree? So I was in class with people about 5-10 years younger than me (I'm right around 30, so the people younger than me were around 20-25; there were people my age and older too, but that doesn't pertain to this story), and one of my good friends I made while I was there? He's in that age range, about 5-8 years younger than me; I believe he JUST HAD his 21/22 birthday when we first met, so he's around 23-ish now?
Anyway, he was giving me a ride home way day so I didn' thave to take the bus, and he actually asked me "Yo man, have you ever heard of a show called The Sopranos? It's really good man I just started watching it on HBO. I had to tell him that I was a Sopranos SUPERFAN (who actually WORKED with the guy who played Jason Gervasi, the guy who is indirectly responsible for Tony's empire crumbling when he is arrested for pushing X and therefore Carlo rats to cop a deal) and that I knew almost every episode by heart.
Anyway, the point of this is that when HBO and the news publish those stories about *The Sopranos* being watched by a younger generation? As far as I could tell it was NOT BULLSHIT! Here's this guy 5-10 years younger than I am getting into this show thats 20 years old now, and he loves it just as much as a new fan would have back when it came out. I thought that was interesting as FUCK, that young people RELALY ARE getting into the show and watching it at a large rate.
The reason for this in my opinion is that the show is essentialy timeless. Sure, they don't have smart phones in the show or anything like that, but you could make that SAME SHOW TODAY, leaving out any smart phone references, and it would STILL HOLD UP!
Sorry, a bit off topic, I just thought you might find it interesting: that there REALLY ARE YOUNGER PEOPLE GETTING INTO THIS SHOW just as much as us long term fans have been.
I cannot tell you how big of a smile it put on my face when he asked me if I'd "ever heard of The Sopranos..." and I had to respond that I was a fucking ultra fan who even uploads clips of great scenes to youtube.
Fantastic that the younger generations ARE GETTING INTO THE SHOW! Probably one reason they were able to use to make *The Many Saints of Newark* which is why it's such a fucking shame that the movie sucked so bad.
*Anyway, thanks for watching!* I only upload clips that are NOT ALREADY UPLOADED (no sense in uploading stuff that Bork or TheSopranosFan57 have uploaded; I only want to put up stuff that DOES NOT APPEAR on CZcams somewhere.
I am actually working on a super-cut upload that is only the guys saying "OH!" Similar to the super cut someone uploaded called "The Sopranos but just gabagool." I had already thought about making something like that, and the idea for the supercut just consisting of "OH!" you know, like all those scenes where they exclaim "OH!" and I thought it would be HILARIOUS to make another cut that contains just OH, similar to how the Gabagool super-cut video came out very well.
The only problem is: there's 6 seasons with about 10+ episdoes per season, so I have to re-watch about 60+ hours worth of *The Sopranos.* Not that 'm complaining about that aspect: as YOU SAID, sometimes I just leave it running in the background just while I'm doing other stuff? But the problem with it is that I actually need to PAY ATTENTION to it, create a doc that contains all of the timestamps of each "OH!" pertaining to each episode, and then record all of those clips and then combine them all together. I'm not a video editor or someone who does work with video: this is just stuff I do for fun (I do IT work). So, I'm not some fancy-pants video editor who can do the work very easily: I'm probably doing it the most difficult way possible via the CZcams video creator tools (lol), but, that's what I'm working on and want to get done one of these days.
You heard it here first: "Sopranos, but just "OH!"" So, when I eventually upload that (probably in a year lol), just give it a look!
"OH!"
Anyway, again, *THANKS FOR WATCHING!* and keep your eyes peeled for my "OH!" Supercut one day!
one of my favorite scenes of all time, The emotion from Tony is unreal
"We believe in the nuclear family!" (c) the guy who fucked 100 women.
Carms response is perfect! XD
"Would you listen to yourself?!"
I actually used that as a reply to another comment on here, because I too think it's fuckin hilarious, because, obviously, he is VERY BIG on the nuclear family.
After all, don't forget: he's a strict Catholic!
Don't forget: he agrees with that Senator Sanatorum shit, where pretty soon we'll be fuckin animals.
I can't defend his cheating (although she said several times she was OK with, which condones the behavior), but she's a fucking hypocrite herself... Besides being snobby and materialistic, she flirted with several men before the seperation, she almost fucked the pastor in the first season...
@@LongHaulTrucker4Life First of all, just FYI, I made a LONG POST IN RESPONSE TO YOURS, and it got deleted. I'm very upset, so I'm going to do my best to make it again, but shorten it a bit. Sorry, I write essays about this show (on various different websites) and I was MOTIVATED by what you said to write one here. If you read it, I hope you enjoy it! If you don't read it because it's too long, I understand that too. But I am going to talk about hypocrisy as it stands in relation to *The Sopranos* and although Carmela IS a hypocrite, her hypocrisy PALES IN COMPARISON to that of the others. I hope you enjoy!
So, for sure, Carmela is a hypocrite, there is no denying this. The only NON-HYPOCRITES are the TRUE INNOCENTS IN THIS SHOW: the normal, everyday people who just so happen to end up in the Mafia's path, and get caught up, like victims of a hurricane or a tornado. They're just in the wrong place at the wrong time.
Example 1- Sal Vitro. Sal is just a normal working guy, trying to make a living with his landscapping business, when suddenly, one day out of the blue, a fucking pile of rocks lands on him in the form of Feech La Manna. Feech is a fucking piece of shit predator (just like EVERYONE I N THE MAFIA IN THIS SHOW) who has NO QUALMS about viciously assaulting a normal working guy in order to make money. Granted, *Sal probably wasn't aware that he was interrupting one of his "impermeable stories" so you know, its mainly Sal's fault for not realizing that! * In reality though, Sal did nothing wrong, and he is COMPLETELY PUNISHED FOR IT. Paulie, ANOTHER VICIOUS SHARK (just like Tony) PREDATOR, ALSO SEES A CHANCE TO PROFIT OFF OF THIS: he will "talk to some people" and "take care of it" for Sal, in exchange for a "couple of points." In the end, what does Paulie do for Sal? Almost nothing. He gets him HALF of his old neighborhood, but must now pay points, AND do HUGE LAWNS, which he could NORMALLY CHARGE TONS OF MONEY FOR, in exchange for what. ABSOLUTELY. NOTHING. In fact, I would be willing to be that if someone were to sit down and DO THE MATH on the work SAL NOW HAS TO DO FOR FREE? It would *OUTWEIGH THE MONEY HE GAINED BACK FROM GETTING BACK HALF HIS NEIGHBORHOOD* and if anyone disagrees with them on this, I think you're fooling yourself. Paulie is not a good man, he is not nice and he is out for one person: numero uno.
Example 2 - The Carjacking Victim Family:
This family is ruthlessly carjacked by two black men. "SIC' EM CHURCHILL, SIC' EM!" Churchill, of course, smartly hauls ass out of there, possibly to never be seen again. Now, Barry, the male head of the family, upon being carjacked, exclaims "FUCKING NI***RS! WELL WHO ELSE HUH?" Barry has also been duped by the Mafia: THEY ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE CRIME, THEY ARE THE REASON IT IS BEING COMMITTED! The Mafia are aware, as a result of the end of the cold war, that there is a huge power/money vacuum in Eastern Europe to be filled by rich oligarchs seeking western comforts, but who cannot find them were they live as they are not in stock. The solution? STEAL THE CARS and sell them to those Eastern European oligarchs.
In addition, the Mafia CREATES RACISM through the commission of this crime. Sure, the black guys are the one's PHYSICALLY STEALING the car, but without the demand and say of Tony's organization, that car would have never been jacked. It is COMPLETELY PLAUSIBLE that Barry had never made a racist comment in his life before he had his car stolen, AT GUNPOINT, which is a traumatic event for ANYONE, *LET ALONE SOMEONE IN THE CAR WITH THEIR WIFE AND YOUNG CHILDREN* ! He might have made this comment in a moment of anger, and have really meant it. BUT, it is EQUALLY POSSIBLE that he has now suddenly become a racist: Tony's actions have created racism, have bred more hatred, and have created the VERY THING TONY HIMSELF CRITICIZES: BLACK. CRIME. SPECIFICALLY, BLACK ON WHITE CRIME (which, is an ENTIRE DIFFERNET DISCUSSION, but *I WILL SAY AS AN ABSOLUTE FACT THAT YOU ARE MUCH MORE LIKELY TO BE THE VICTIM OF A CRIME PERPETRATED BY SOMEONE OF THE SAME RACE AS YOU THAN YOU ARE BY SOMEONE OF A DIFFERENT RAE! And the reason for this is OBVIOUS: most white people are around more white people than black people, just like most black people are around more black people than white people; just like most Asian people are around more Asian people, and on and on and on etc. You are MUCH MORE LIKELY to be robbed by a white person if you, yourself, are white, and as Meadow says, which is ALSO TRUE: CRIME IS AN ECONOMIC ISSUE NOT A RACIAL ONE* )
Anyway, without going into that any further, what does Tony say to Meadow when her bike is stolen? "YOU STICK TO YOUR OWN KIND!" How thoughtful of Tony! I mean he clearly knew that her bike was stolen by some unidentified black males, and was just looking out for his daughter! Except oh wait, it was possible that a Mafioso in New York was having someone stealing expensive bikes, in order to resell to an upper class yuppie crowd! Tony is JUST AS WILLING TO EXTORT AND ROB THOSE HE GREW UP WITH AND HAS THE SAME SKIN COLOR AS (i.e. DAVE SCATINO) as he is people of ANOTHER SKIN COLOR. In fact, *I struggle to even THINK OF A MOMENT IN THE SHOW WHERE TONY ROBS AND EXTORTS SOMEONE OF A DIFFERENT COLOR THAN HE IS* !!!! The only time I can even think of him committing a crime, PERSONALLY, against someone who isn't EXACTLY like him, is when he assaults the Russia that hit Janice, but even that guy LOOKS white, not black, Hispanic, Asian, or anything else, but white!
Tony has family members killed, he has children of close friends killed, he kills young people who attacked those close to him, he kills old white people, middle aged white people, he kills LOTS OF WHITE PEOPLE, but never any black people. And in fact Tony USES A LOT OFO MINORITIES TO HELP PERPETUATE HIS CRIMINAL ENTERPRISES!
These are just SOME EXAMPLES that I can think of JUST OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD. There are more than likely MORE, but here are just the one's I know of IMMEDIATELY without any more thought:
Season 1: he uses the Reverend and the strikers to create a situation where he can extort more money from a construction company
Season 2: The carjacking by the unidentified black males!
Season 4: With Ralphie and Zellman, he uses the black head of a non-profit to commit federal fraud with HUD. Additionally, he uses black men to attempt the assassination's on Carmine Lupertazzi, and when it is called off, he has them murdered by other members of the mafia.
Season 6: His organization sells stolen credit card information to middle easterners, who may, or may not, be involved in terror financing. Later on, he exploits this for his OWN PERSONAL GAIN, by reporting them to the FBI in exchange for a future assurance that it would help him quite a lot if he were ever convicted of a crime. So, in this instance, Tony and Tony's organization NOT ONLY CREATE THE CRIME ITSELF, BUT THEN TURN AROUND AND USE THE CRIME TO THEIR OWN LEGAL ADVANTAGE! What a play by Tony, truly and honestly: he steals from those he knows, those he is friends with even (Artie), those who are the "SAME KIND" as he is (for example, stealing from Italians at Italianissimo in this scam), and then later on, USES THE VERY CRIME HE PERPETRATED FOR HIS OWN LEGAL BENEFIT. This is some ballsy, smart ass play by Tony here, and I have to salute him for that.
"YOU STICK WITH YOUR OWN KIND!" Yeah Tony, ok. If by stick with your own kind you mean commit crimes against those who are of the same background as you and have the same skin color as you, then yes, you DO stick with your own kind. But if by that you mean you stick together to help each other out? Tony couldn't mean that any less even if he were to literally laugh at someone saying it to him and spit in their face. He means it SO LITTLE that he has Jackie Jr killed, despite him being someone he LET DATE HIS OWN DAUGHTER, so, HIS OWN KIND* who "comes from good stock," compared to Jamal Ginsberg, the Hasidic Homeboy, whose only crime is hitting then quitting on Meadow, who is a smoking hot super intelligent woman who any guy would be LUCKY to tuck in at night!
So, is Carmela a hypocrite? Abso-fucking-lutely. But pretty much EVERYONE In this show is. The only one's who ARE NOT HYPOCRITES are the TRUE INNOCENTS who stay clear of the crime. Those are also the one's who tend to SUFFER as a result of the crime, but hey, if it makes Tony a buck, he's down with it. Artie is the ONLY BORDERLINE one: he is an innocent, but he DABBLES in not being one. He's just not suited for it. As Tony says of AJ "What, in my business? He'd never make it>' and t he same is true of Artie.
Again, the ONLY NON HYPOCRITES: are the innocents. Carmela is no innocent, so she is DEFINITELY A HYPOCRITE. Even Meadow begins to BECOME A HYPOCRITE: She's up on her "high horse about justice" despite living in a house COMPLETLEY FINANCED BY CRIME and despite wanting to practice law and protect the disenfranchised, ignores all of the EXTREME CRIME AND VIOLENCE that is associated with her father and even her upbringing (let's not forget that, on a trip to visit colleges WITH his daughter, Tony STRANGLES A MAN TO DEATH).
Anyway, I've gotten QUITE OFF TOPIC HERE, but I was just VERY MOTIVATED to point out how the ONLY HYPOCRITES ARE THE INNOCENTS, and that *Tony is the BIGGEST HYPOCRITE IN THE ENTIRE SHOW* who corrupts all around him. He is a poison, a disease, a cancer, who infects those who get close to them, and then uses them up and spits them out once he's done extracting every last ounce of good from them.
*Anyway, she's ready to order!*
Don't mess marriage with random sex.
Carmela is like totally oblivious to who she’s married to it’s great. Like Tony’s gonna sit in a courtroom with her like the average poor bastard
Tony had a point. He was the one that made the money and provided for the family. Sure, he was a murderer and constantly cheated on his wife but he's still the sole provider
no he didnt have a point.
@@violettippet5246 Yeah he did. He had an excellent point. She’s a hypocrite of highest order and the only thing she should be entitled to is the opportunity to make a living on her own. Same as you or I.
He didn’t want her to work though. Her work was in managing the finances, the children, and the house. He wanted it that way and a stay at home wife/mother should be entitled to something after she leaves regardless or even because that he is the sole provider. I say that as a women who is the main financial provider for my fiancé and our family lol.
He made zero points
@@alliepenaherrera1976this is a very fair point. If Tony’s earnings were legal I would agree in Carmela’s case but they aren’t so idk why she thought she would get half
Best thing about this you can count it down Artie gives them EXACTLY one minute 🤣🙌
“Everything you have came from my sweat!!!” Greatest line he ever spoke
I’d act the same as Tony, absolutely. Carmela is so sanctimonious yet she has happily lived off the very thing she claims to hate., she’s worse than Livia and Janice because they never judged or looked down upon the lifestyle that provided them with a comfortable life like Carmela did.
she never worked for anything...walks in a mansion with diamond necklaces and rings........then still wants more
Tony wasn't a saint, but there are times where i completely get why i went out and F'd around on her.
i was raised by a bunch of old Italians in the Chicago area and i've literally seen shit play out like this between family members in real life
The Wife is so fckn greedy and constantly wants materialistic items and is NEVER satisfied .......ever.
I think Janice and Livia both did to an extent, just not as much. Both of them were just as pissed off about goomahs as Carmela is: we see Livia and her stance on them in some flashbacks (in particular the one where Tony's father is with Fran when his mother miscarries), and we hear Janice talk about it as well regarding Richie, in addition to pursuing Bobby, the only made guy who never had a goomah. She also murders Richie for hitting her, which is something that is SOMEWHAT ACCEPTED in mob circles; as Richie himself points out, if you wanna put your hands on a woman, first you gotta marry them, and after that, your hands can come out of your pockets. She clearly aired her grievance there...with a gun and a bullet to his chest.
She's definitely worse than both of them are though, considering the extremes she goes to and the stuff she says which makes her a huge hypocrite.
The others didn't like certain aspects to be sure, but they complained way less and got way less about the mov life than Carmela did, who complained more than either of them yet also got more than either of them too. I just wanted to point out though that those two definitely had their hangups and grievances as well.
I hated Carmela. Because she was one of the factors in Christopher’s death. SHE was the one who told Tony Cleaver was about him. And telling him that destroyed what was left of Chris and Tony’s relationship.
@@captainprice2671 I don't agree with this. Tony had been wanting to "mulch his roses" with Christopher for a long time. Ever since he started branching out and moving away from the business. Tony had invested time in him as the "hair apparent" and Christopher proved he wasn't "worthy." Sure, the Cleaver thing UPSET him, but it was wayyyyy more than that. That was just a tiny bit of frosting on a gigantic fucking cake that they'd been baking for years, which got put into fucking overdrive when Chris sided with Tony over Adrianna.
"I haven't been able to tell anyone this, but I'm fucking relieved. He was a tremendous drag on my emotions, on my *thoughts about the future.* *To begin with, every morning I wake up thinking: is today the day that one of my best friends dimes me to the FBI? And a weak, fucking sniveling, lying drug addict? That's the worst kind of bet. The biggest blunder of my career is now gone. And I don't have to be confronted by that fact no more.*
*And as a relative, a friend, someone you can count on?* " [ *flips fingers under chin* ]
Notice how he doesn't bring up Christopher's feelings, or his movie, or what Chris thought of him personally. All he references is how susceptible he is legally to the feds, and how a drug addict is NOT the person he wants being his mouth piece. He put a huge bet on Christopher, and lost, but he was able to HEDGE his bet by killing him.
Christopher really did go to hell for his uncle Tony. In fact, Tony SENT HIM THERE. So he was the "guy I'm going to hell for," because he was the guy he went to hell BECAUSE OF.
But yeah, I don't think the Cleaver thing played as big a part in it as you think. He was already having big problems with Christopher without noticing the things in Cleaver. He never brings it up in any of these sessions where he talks to Melfi (real, or dream). Chris was just a drug addict involved in organized crime, which already makes him MUCH MORE SUSCEPTIBLE to being squeezed by the feds.
I mean, after all, how many times did Chris rant to Adrianna about diming Tony out to the FBI? Or to JT? "Gravano's living big on the government tit. I like it out there, I'd be closer to Hollywood anyway." And that's just what we SEE IN THE SHOW: I'm sure he made the same rant DOZENS OF TIMES, whenever he got angry at Tony. Did he mean it? MAYBE NOT. But then again, we never saw Chris arrested to face SERIOUS TIME. At the same time though: same with Tony. "Tony's never really been to the can, not really. Here's a guy who stepped over his own uncle for the boss seat: his fatha's brudda. Meanwhile, I did 20 fuckin years shining shoes and making grilled cheese off the rad-eee-aye-tour." Crazy Rhasta fuck.
"The worst part, truthfully, is I gotta sit there with people who are hurting: bad. And I gotta have the long face and the sighing and the platitudes. But I don't feel it.
*Then THAT makes me feel like a hypocrite...*
*And that makes me mad at them.* "
Those shoes would be 600 today 😂 love this scene
$800 actually 😭 (since 2004, when this season was released)
$820 if you use 2003, the year it was prob filmed
Can you imagine being the guy that picks up a drunk Carmella at the local sports bar and think you scored , then you notice all these grease balls following you around every where and that’s when you figure it out,and ur chest sinks into ur stomach
"He gave me communion."
"Oh, I bet he did..."
Albert: "Can you imagine? Being the guy that picks up a drunk Carmella at the local sports bar and think you scored , then you notice all these grease balls following you around every where and that’s when you figure it out,and ur chest sinks into ur stomach?"
Paulie: "Heh. You hear what he said Tone? He said 'Can you imagine being the guy that picks up a drunk Carmella at the local sports bar and think you scored , then you notice all these grease balls following you around every where and that’s when you figure it out,and ur chest sinks into ur stomach' and Albert said 'Can you imagine? Being the guy that picks up a drunk Carmella at the local sports bar and think you scored , then you notice all these grease balls following you around every where and that’s when you figure it out,and ur chest sinks into ur stomach'. Heh heh"
Dude this writing 👌
This show captures the attitude of my state so perfectly. It's incredible. The witty banter is spot on.
He’s 100% right. His wife has entailment issues. Tony isn’t some guy who got wealthy playing it straight. He’s a criminal and she knew that. If she was really moral person she’d ask for the divorce, and want nothing in return. The therapist told her this a few seasons earlier, but starting from scratch was beneath her.
Fellas, don't get married...
Whoops, sounds like I might've just made a mistake then!
When I first started watching the show I had pity for Carm. Didn't take long to realize she was just as bad as Tony. She thought she was gonna beat a mobster in court lmao how naive and stupid could she be.
She’s such a hypocrite. Falco did a wonderful job making her an unlikable bitch.
Thats the crazy part. In the end when Tony checks out. Its all she has is shit.
She aint deserving either. She knew who she was with and she was all about it.
Love how Tony lays that out.
Your entitled to nothing. For safety reasons. Great line by Tony.
Tony is a classic narc. His character wouldn't have allowed Carmela to work if she wanted to. He never wanted her to do the real estate project or anything else besides walk around the house in diamond rings, cook and raise the children. But in a moment, where he's challenged, he reminds her she has and can do nothing without him.
I’ve always hated Carmela. Especially when tony was eating ice cream while on the couch and she bothered him about money.
My favorite scene:
Tony - “I live for dis shit!”👏👏👏
this is what every divorced man felt
Yall cheat so own up to your mistakes
Carmela had no education and no work history... basically, she was trapped. Without Tony's money, she would be living in the gutter. It was either a choice of trying to live with him again or getting everything out of him that she could.
When I'm gone you can live in a dumpster for all I care!
Don't forget though, she DID graduate from Montclair State with a degree in business management. The Jersey schools were really something in those days!
She's such an investment genius: I'd ask for my piece but wait there's nothin!
@@mcnamaraky that wasn't enough for her.. she didn't want to work and make efforts. When Meadow told her you have to think about what you'll do. And that she has options she said " you have options and I have lawyers" Tony is a millionaire she thought she could get half of what he has..then he contaminated all the available lawyers so when she was sure there's nothing she can do about it she accepted his offer to come back as long as his " social" life won't bother her again.. I mean what kind of wife would accept that? But she had no other option
You mean living like everyone else? Getting a job and shit.. man she ain't the victim. She's just as bad. All she does is sit on a pedestal judging everyone
@@mcnamaraky I thought she dropped out, could've sworn Meadow brought that up during their fancy dinner after Furio left
@@BocalokaTV You could absolutely be right about this, as I remember a similar scene, but I just am not sure if she was referring to Carmela OR Tony, who we both know for a fact dropped out after a semester and a half (some of those kids from Seaton Hall were seven feet tall!).
But you could absolutely be right: Carmela might've just been telling the Dean what her major was, not that she actually graduated. Probably why she's such an investment genius!
I actually agree with Tony here entitled to what you don't work that's his hard earned money even if it's through illegal shit
People don’t appreciate the writers enough man, this show is fucking amazing, acting & directing are apex top level as well!! Produced one of the best shows ever
In my opinion still the greatest show of all time. There's a few others up there on the podium (Breaking Bad, The Wire, Twin Peaks if you are into that, some argue The X Files as well although I've never really watched it) but this still takes the gold IMO.
Bryan Cranston said in an interview once: "Without Tony Sopranos, there would be no Walter White."
Also, as Imperioli stated in his Rogan appearance, it added a cinematic quality to television. You yourself mentioned the directing and writing and it was much more cinematic than procedural shows or sitcoms before it. It also was one of the first long story format shows; plots would take place over entire seasons, sometimes multiple seasons (e.g. Adrianna being an FBI informant was seasons 4 and 5). After The Sopranos, shows realized that they could be 80 hour movies and not just a bunch of random episodes or sitcoms.
As bad as Tony was, Carmela was greedy vile twat in her own right
lets not forget at the end of the season Carmela literally gives tony the offer of asking for 600,000$ for some no property in order to keep there marriage in tact.
Not dignifying Tony's Cheating or anything else, but Carmela could be just as low at times. If not worse. Thats pure Evil.
As annoying and bitchy and greedy as Carmela could be, I wouldn't call that pure evil by any stretch. Pure evil to me is when characters in this show murder people over literally jack shit. Like when Chris threw a rock into the back of a waiters head because he didn't tip him jack shit,, and then him and Paulie then ROBBED THEIR MONEY BACK AFTERWARDS. To me that's way more evil than asking for 600k to stay married. I mean, after all, there are russian mail order brides and there are people who agree to get married in general because of the financial incentives and legal bonuses provided by the government. I don't think asking for 600k to save amarriage is evil by any stretch.
Compare that to tony SUFFOCATING HIS OWN NEWPHEW. Instead of repairing the relationship he has with his nephew, a guy he claims to love, he takes the easy way out and chokes him to death after a car accident, and then goes and fucks his Las Vegas girlfriend (as if killing him wasn't enough). THAT'S EVIL in my book.
Carmela is just a greedy bitch, but there's plenty of those on the planet. Again, there are mail-order brides in real life, and few, if any, think they're evil, or the guys ordering them are evil. If you've seen some of those TV shows based on it too, there's one in particular I remember where the woman basically says that she wouldn't have married the guy if she knew he didn't have money. The guy basically lied to her about how rich he was to convince her to marry him, and then was surprised when she became pissed and acted like a complete bitch towards him because he didn't have enough money. In her defense, she was completely up front about what she expected from the get-go. Does it make her a shit person? Absolutely. But at least she was honest about it.
Does this make Caarmela a shit person as well? For sure, and she's less up front about it: she PRETENDS like she only wants "a little gold heart on a chain," lol, when in reality she does want all of the material shit. But does that make her evil? Not to me. Just a shitty person
Again, there are tons of examples of being evil in this show, and they most involve murder. Another good example of PURE EVIL is Mefli's rapist. Pure evil. But Carmela? Just a materialistic bitchy person. Evil I think is way too strong a word for her. Just a greedy person who hides her greed behind a veneer of "good church deeds." She's no Harvey Weinstein, or a kinslayer like Tony Soprano (who murders multiple relatives, e.g. his cousin, his nephew, etc.)
@@mcnamaraky i agree i just didn't have time to type all that, just summed it up real quick
Women bro
That waiter was always a rough one to digest. I love the Chrissy and Paulie characters, but hitting the guy with a rock and then killing him in case he survived a head i jury
@@r.hudsonmadeo5745 "Chrissy, he's *fucked up."*
"Don't they have medicine they're supposed to take, these assholes?"
"I don't know. He'll say we hit him with a brick!"
"Still going, this asshole."
*BOOM*
I never once felt bad for carmela in this show lol
Tony would be doing what he does regardless of whether or not he had a family to support. How much money can a single man in his position spend? He lives the high life as well with his tailor made suits, gourmet dining, fancy watches, gambling and sleeping around, etc. Carmela pulls her weight running the house, raising the children, cooking like crazy and organizing family gatherings, etc. Of course she is going to look and live the part. It all requires a massive amount of upkeep. Tony's infidelity and lack of transparency is a constant torment. They are all pampered, spoiled and seeped in denial and rationalizations. Tony is able to do what he does because Carmela provides the foundation of family and home life, giving him stability and an air of normalcy and respectability. He's not the only one who puts in the effort, but because he brings in the cash, he gets to throw all his self righteous indignation in her face. Now he expects her to clip coupons? He just doesn't want to lose face. He can't bear the thought of her with another man despite his inability to keep it in his pants. Tony is every bit the hypocrite that Carmela is. He resorts to playing the bully because that's what he does best.
We know he's a hypocrite what's new there? Also why do you phrase everything like Carmela is entitled to jack shit when we both know she's a terrible parent like Tony but provided no money which Tony did do, he bought everything. Why are you acting like he just didn't want her with another man when it's clear that he also can't stand her hypocrisy which is partially why he's so venomous. I'd feel pretty pissed if someone who instead of cutting you out of their life would rather mooch off of you monthly as well as claiming assets to an actual mini mansion that they paid nothing for. I'd feel annoyed if someone who never gave a shit that you murder people, rob, lie and fraud others and would happily reap the benefits of your bad deeds but act high and mighty still even though they too have 0 morals.
Tony knows exactly what he is, he just pretends to be better than he is to society (there is no mafia etc)
Carmela however is a total hypocrite and enabler. She knew from the moment she got with Tony who he is and what he does and constantly whines about how hes a murderer, cheater etc until she gets new jewelry or fur coats.
@@plantaan26 Entitled Tony can afford to be a total hypocrite; it's all about the double standard.
@@dianekeane7740 Yes but Tony doesn't claim moral high ground like Carmela does.
@@plantaan26 Likely that is because being a top mafioso, he doesn't have to.
I love how Artie told Tony hope he had brought him his appetite after Carmela said that to him about getting a divorce and on top of that after Artie said that Carmela low-key tried not to laugh. Sheesh, this show is too much with the weight jokes. Tony has been under alot of stress so please cut him some slack
It's like in the dark knight when Mr Reese tries to blackmail Bruce Wayne 😂😂😂
James gandolfini killed this scene
Paulie oughta tell Carmela a thing or two about being entitled
Lowkey one of my favorite sopranos scenes. He said everything I would want to say in a situation like that
Don’t ever tell a Don you have an attorney, attorney won’t make it a week.
He made 100% of all of the income in that house and yet she thinks she is entitled to half of it lol. What a joke.
First off: THANKS FOR WATCHING MY VIDEO AND COMMENTING! I try to reply to almost every comment on here, because I LOVE *The Sopranos,* and I LOVE talking about it, and this video gives me a great way to engage with fellow fans concerning certain points that are up for debate.
ANYWAY: sorry that this is a long post, but it's one I've made to SEVERAL OTHER COMMENTORS HERE (which is why it's as long as it is: I've copy/pasted from those and added and removed some more sections, so it's both grown larger and shrunk). *The main point of this post is that TONY NEEDS CARMELA, and Carmela DOES IN FACT PROVIDE AND DO A LOT FOR TONY AND HIS HOME LIFE (like, ALMOST everything!).* PLEASE READ IT IF YOU HAVE THE TIME, but, if not, just, first: 1) try to read the BOTTOM PORTION I HAVE HERE WITH THE QUOTE FROM MELFI, and 2) *I believe Carmela is entitled to SOMETHING, even if it's not half,* and the question is exactly: *JUST HOW MUCH IS SHE ENTITLED TO?*
IN HER DEFENSE (and I'm not stretching my neck too far out for her by any means of the imagination) it's not like she didn't do anything. She: *raised the kids, she took care of the house and made sure it was what it was, she took care of all the little shit that Tony couldn't be bothered to, she also attended meetings and such that helped make their family look more respectable and presentable (e.g. donating time and money to the church for the fundraisers, attending school and social events to raise their profile in the community as a family that cared about school and the students, and not just as some people who couldn't give a rat's ass about it, basically took care of ANYTHING social pertaining to their family, and ANYTHING pertaining to their children, etc.).
Carmela was the GLUE that kept that family together, 100%, and she was also the façade that made them seem presentable when they have NO REASON for people to find them presentable. It's no secret Tony is a mafia don, and obviously guilty of GREAT, NUMEROUS, CRIMES, which we've seen LOCALS discuss many times. Examples include: AJ's friend's father, the man who reports Tony out to the police for the Matthew Bevilaqua killing, who IMMEDIATELY RELENTS AND CALLS THE POLICE TO RETRACT HIS STATEMENTS, Julianna Skiffoozle's friend who talks about how she grew up in Jersey here whole life and knows at least a litttttleee bit about how horrible these people are, (I believe she even points out that they're murderers, etc.) etc.
SO: it's not like she did NOTHING during their marriage, because she did. And I PERSONALLY BELIEVE she is entitled to SOME of that money. But half? Probably not half. Maybe a quarter to a third. And that's not just because of laws concerning marriage and divorce and everything, I'm just basing it off of the work she did PERTAINING TO THEIR FAMILY.
Like, *without Carmela, their kids could have turned out like Eugene Pontecorvo's kids: heroin addicts who shoot up, alongside a younger daughter/sister that who the fuck knows what's gonna happen to.*
Again, it's not like Carmela did NO WORK, but her work just didn't happen to involve earning the money through ILLEGAL MEANS. But she DID DO STUFF for both Tony AND their family, and, *as we saw when Tony did NOT HAVE CARMELA during Season 5: his life was a FUCKING DISASTER OF A MESS when he was on his own.* *Remember the house he was staying at on his own?* How absolutely fucking disgusting it was and how he didn't take care of ANY OF IT, and how he didn't participate in ANY of his kids schooling and events and such (despite saying he would). *He's like a big child who needs a "mother" to look after him, and no, CARMELA IS THE ONE WHO TAKES CARE OF HIM AND HIS HOME LIFE. While she is NOT HIS MOTHER, and is VERY DIFFERENT FROM HER, she still treats him as if he is a kid who needs parenting, in terms of what she does. I mean for fucks sake, she even WASHES HIS CLOTHES, which is something you'd EXPECT A GROWN MAN TO BE ABLE TO DO, but nope, he is completely unable to
Despite half of his goomah's being like his mother, as Melfi says, Tony made ONE GOOD CHOICE VIS-A-VIS women in his life: Carmela. And that is why TONY didn't want the divorce: Carmela did.
To quote Melfi exactly:
*"Despite your mothering, you made one good decision in your life vis- a- vis women, you're not gonna throw that over. Your own selfishness is too strong to let that happen."*
"Alright, alright."
*"Actually, in spite of everything, you're a very conventional man."*
Basically, she's saying that TONY KNOWS HOW MUCH CARMELA DOES FOR HIM, and BECAUSE OF THAT he is TOO SELFISH TO DIVORCE HER. He does NOT WANT TO LOSE WHAT SHE PROVIDES, which is why he sticks around and puts up with her "bullshit, bullshit, bullshit!" day in and day out. And, in spite of HIM calling what she does "bullshit, bullshit, bullshit," *Tony is clearly MUCH BETTER OFF WITH CARMELA THAN WITHOUT HER.* Tony knows that Carmela does a LOT for him, and for his family, and, as a result of that, he is TOO SELFISH to give up on their relationship and marriage. Hence why he tries (to an EXTENT AT LEAST) HIDE HIS INFIDELITIES AND when she is CONFRONTED WITH THEM FACE ON, tries his best to calm her down and reconcile right there and then: because he does NOT want his home life interrupted, or to have to go out on his own, or any of the dozens of other things that end up happening when they are separated.
So, I BELIEVE CARMELA DESERVES SOMETHING FOR raising his kids, taking care of his home, etc. DOES SHE DESERVE HALF? Probably not. But she DOES deserve something.
Or, you can take Tony's stance in that she's "entitled to shit." I don't personally believe that BUT, I CAN UNDERSTAND WHY PEOPLE MIGHT FEEL THAT WAY, AND I THINK IT HAS SOME VALIDITY TO IT.
It's sort of akin to saying something like: salesmen make all of the income for a company, so you shouldn't pay the janitors or the bookkeepers anything if they get laid off or fired, because without those salesmen, none of them would've made any money.
AGAIN: NOT SAYING CARMELA IS ENTITLED TO ALL OF IT OR EVEN HALF. Just entitled to SOMETHING. THE DEBATE IMO, should be about HOW MUCH SHE'S ENTITLED TO, not whether she's entitled AT ALL. She performed a service(s) that enabled Tony to go out and MAKE all that money. Without her, he has no ability to take care of his home life (again, as evidenced in the season where he is separated and we see how he lives on his own: it's straight-up DISGUSTING. He NEEDED Carmela to help manage his life and his affairs, and without her, he would've been a complete mess who would have possibly never succeeded as boss.
Again, just my 2 cents.
@@mcnamaraky bruh come on, no one’s reading that my dude. Should’ve saved yourself the time and summarized it into a paragraph or two.
Another classic instance of the show making us love a deeply sinful man in Tony. Shows how vindictive and how much of a mooch Carmella is. Lives off of Tony.
Tony hit it out of the park here. She ABSOLUTELY knew what "this thing" is going in and what it ment. She had the luxury of being a housewife who had luxury and the high-end lifestyle, all paid for by Tony. All she did was crank out the kids. If she leaves, she gets nothing
Carmela Soprano is like Cersei Lannister for me: I love both women because of the actresses playing them.
In the hands of another actress, I wouldn't like them half as much.
lol, i like how u added that borko line at the end of your description
borko and TheSopranosFan57 paved the way for a new generation of made guys.
I find it ironic that Carmella is telling Tony to come down when a few season ago Tony was telling Carmella to come down while they were at dinner too😂😂😂😂I love the sopranos
The “you’re entitled to shit” is a repeat line from Paulie when he argues with Feech about Sal Vitro’s turf. Suggests it is about money.
GOOD THING FOR ME THEN, THAT YOUR BOOK DON’T MEAN UGATZ TO ME!!!!
She’s gonna have to find an apartment. Arrange for child support…. Oh wait there’s nothing! She’ll come crawling back like any loyal pet sooner than later
"You have options. I have a lawyer."
Like Tony would fight for custody of AJ...
Gold necklaces, Diamonds rings, driving around her Porsche Cayenne..
$50,000 in her closet full of fine attires..
So she asked him to lunch to drop the divorce bomb. Did she actually envision a nice long pleasant & harmonious meal while discussing that topic 🤣
She’s showing jack and kings and tony got the full house😂. She got Put in her place big time
lol I love Artie. He’s funny
"Qu'est-ce que c'est? Answering machine broken?"
Tony doesnt love her, she just wants to have a good rating, and being a family man gives him that.
If I was Tony I would have outright threatened Carmela. I would have told her straight up: "Listen to me Carmela, because I am only going to say this once. There is such a thing as a widowed boss of the family. But never a divorced one." And if she continues to press the issue I would have threatened to have Furio whacked in Italy.
He had already threatened to have Furio whacked, and it was an empty threat. Basically, the Italians would have never given up Furio because someone's wife had a crush on him lol
On a serious note:
All things considered , Tony could’ve put some more effort into their marriage. I’m more of a Johnny Sac kinda guy.
Marriage can be very difficult if both aren't pulling their weight.
Although to pull Ginny Sacks weight you'd need a tow truck or a tug boat.
Johnny Sac is the biggest prick out there. They're all assholes but SAC's one redeeming quality is how he treats his wife
😊😊Told the same last line a few years ago, same context
He's right y'know
The closest thing to a jump the shark moment in The Sopranos is the very idea that these 2 ever got back together!
If this was a movie I'd be waiting for Tony to kill her.
How stupid is this character. She knows who he is as he points out. The fact is, mafia wives are not allowed to get a divorce. Her telling her lawyer she wants to go after Tony’s illegal money in court is the dumbest move any character has ever made is any show. That’s the same as ratting him out. She’d be dead in two seconds. And she should know that. Besides, every line Edie falco says sounds line whining no matter the context. And someone should teach her how to not talk out of her nose. She’s almost as annoying as dr Melfi.
2:23 my dad lol
Money. It's always money.
1:57 - Actors can handle this a number of different ways. But really look at the subtle movements Gandolfini uses here. You see him actively battling his instinctual rage, resisting the urge to get the last word in, and eventually succumbing to the need for escalation. He nearly walks away, but he can't. He's furious about Carmela pointing out his hypocrisy, her greed, and the fact he may lose a ton of money in the divorce. And THEN he loses the veil of sarcasm seen earlier, and gives one hell of an imposing speech.
Acting perfection. Just one of the hundreds of thousands of EXTREMELY small details of Gandolfini's performance in the show. He and Falco will likely be undefeated as a duo. The magnum opus of casting.
Foreshadowing: Invite me to an open place to ambush me….
Why would Carmela have Tony killed in front of their kids?
Every husbands dream
I think they are both right here. Tony should not be cheating on her I don't care if he is in the mafia and everybody else is doing it😤. Carmela on the other hand did grow up with this crappy expectation and should not be this outraged. She chose this life.🙄 However I can't help feeling sorry for her🥺 and I want her to leave him and GO FIND FURIO😍! He is the only man that will make her happy. Now that the kids are practically grown she should just stay "married" to Tony and be with FURIO. I'm sure FURIO wouldn't mind the legality of it since tony has made it impossible for a lawyer to help her. I would like to think that after the last episode she does go find him. Wishful thinking
"i want half of our assets"
Tony: pfffffffffffft ur funny
2:23-2:25 I love this line! Perfect for the younger generation!
Exactly my feelings about the older generation's pensions.
I also believe that people should never be able to afford houses or retire
“You think I don’t” OH SHIT
It’s not that Tony is a bad person… she is just mad that Tony isn’t her person anymore…
I mean...Tony IS a bad person though
"You're entitled to shit" 💣💥 damn smh I felt that
I hope you brought your appetite 😇
Artie came back exactly 1 minute lol
You wanna start a new life? Cool. It starts with getting a job and working for the first time in your life. Bon appetite, Carm.
"From my Sweat." More like the Blood and Sweat of others.
Tony and Carmela are good written.Both entilted Assholes, that you want to see clash with one another.
1 does not want to work and the other one wants to let others Work or else they will be let GO.
They made an agreement, so half his money is hers. Don't like it, don't sign the marriage document. Marriage is an institution that was created the way it is precisely for women like Carmela to be housewives and not have to worry about getting kicked out on their asses with nothing in their old age. The same men who bitch about alimony also bitch about childless career women and working mothers. You can't have it both ways!
@@otterlover3399 Amazing how every faux feminist who walks around demanding equality never marches for the equal right to pay alimony or register for selective service.
Don’t tell me how strong and independent they are, but then turn around and demand free money every month for simply existing.
That’s Tony’s point here. Carmella is a tier one hypocrite.
@@otterlover3399 This is true, and I agree 100%. *I hope you take the time to read this post, as I build on your point with some history and then a modern discussion of divorce TODAY at the end! So! Here's a small history lesson related to this topic: this is why things like *"dowries" and "bride prices"* exist (both back in the day AND, to an extent, today, in *some* parts of the world).
A dowry was given to a man by his wife's family so that she would bring "something" to the marriage: since the new husband was EXPECTED to COMPLETELY SUPPORT HER, she was bringing something: generally some sort of valuables or money, although for poorer people it was often symbolic. This was basically their way of paying the husband for the money he would need to spend on his new wife.
Conversely, some cultures had the opposite (or both): bride prices. This is exactly what it sounds, and was basically a way for a man to "buy" a woman. He'd pay her family for her (for a variety of reasons depending on the culture) and now she "belonged" to him. This was only a few steps above indentured servitude in my opinion (which isn't much above slavery), but it is how things were done.
Dowries, while making less sense, still did make SOME sense once you think about it. When I first learned what a dowry was I said to myself: that's weird, why wouldn't the GUY pay for the woman? Why would the woman's family pay the guy to take her? But then I realized that, back in the day (a few hundred years ago or more), because women did not work or earn any income, it was to offset the money that the man would be expected to spend on his wife to keep her in the life she was accustomed to. Basically, it was a type of insurance or long-term compensation for paying for her life.
So yeah, we had these kinds of things and *not that long ago either!!!* *In some parts of the world there are still dowries AND bride prices!*
So, it would appear, TO ME AT LEAST, that modern day divorce laws with "equitable distribution" of assets is, as you say, a guarantee that a women won't be tossed out on her ass at some point simply because someone younger and prettier comes along with nothing to show for it. I mean, imagine you are a completely faithful wife, you're a homemaker: you make a "beautiful home" like Carmela, you raise an Ivy League daughter who becomes a lawyer, and suddenly get tossed out on your ass by your SERIALLY UNFAITHFUL, CHEATING, PHILANDERING, HUSBAND! Does that sound fair that Carmela should end up with nothing in such a scenario? I say no, it's not, and that she deserves *something!*
*The REAL QUESTION is this: HOW MUCH IS TRULY FAIR?!*
Is HALF fair in the case of Carmela and Tony? PROBABLY NOT, but I'd say she's entitled to AT LEAST 1/4, maybe 1/3, and of ALL HIS ASSETS (legal and available AND illegal and hidden), not just the one's that are on paper. So yeah, I'd say 1/4-1/3 of Tony's TOTAL ASSETS would be fair to an extent.
What's everyone else think? How much IS FAIR for Carmela?! If you think ZERO is appropriate, I will respect that, but I would like to know YOUR REASONING for why she deserves 0, despite all she's done for Tony over a span of 21+ years?
@@mcnamaraky I think half is fair. Raising children and making a home is a lot of work.
She better call Saul!😁
Carmella here thinking she's entitled to the blood criminal money Tony has made 😂
I love how Artie is just kinda there through the series 😂😂