The Messed Up Origins of Alice in Wonderland (Pt. 2) | Disney Explained - Jon Solo
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- Let's continue our journey down the rabbit whole with the next three chapters of Alice in Wonderland!
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» 0:41 - Chapter 4: The Rabbit Sends in a Little Bill
» 4:44 - Chapter 5: Advice From a Caterpillar
» 8:18 - Chapter 6: Pig and Pepper
» 13:20 - Wrap-Up
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• Alice's Adventures Underground: www.gasl.org/refbib/Carroll__A...
• The Annotated Alice: 150th Anniversary Deluxe Edition
• Alice's Adventures in Wonderland by Lewis Carroll
• Charles Dodgson and the Liddell Family: • Charles Dodgson and th...
• Extraordinary Popular Delusions and the Madness of Crowds by Charles Mackay (1841)
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[Had to re-upload this one because it got demonetized the first time. That's never happened before... kinda concerning. 😅]
Why, it's perfectly fine.
Aw, thank you for the quality content 😉👌
I love the cat lol
Jon Solo I love your theories!
yesssss finally!!
Is it me or does Alice look really grumpy in all the original illustrations?
i mean i wouldn't blame her
Being stuck in Wonderland WOULD make you grumpy. Wouldn't blame Alice if she ended up fit for the bed, that expression means fit for a bed in a mental hospital.
Because she is. Even in the Disney movie she gets visibly flustered throughout the movie.
@@DreamFactories Maybe that's true.
She does
I guess "Who are YOU" was to the 1850's what "Whaaassssuuuup!" was to the 1990's.
LMAO
What are thooossse! -2010s
Except, No. Not even close.
Guy: Hey alice do you have shizophrenia or are you just really really high on mushrooms?
Alice: *"Yes"*
No this is patrick PFFFFFFFT
Alice is 7 she better not be on drugs 😂
@@Gravve01 And doesnt seem to know what schizophrenia is.
@@Gravve01 in my fan fiction she is on all kind of weed and liquor
@@kingemo7806 nah, something stronger! Haha
"He turns into a groveling kiss ass" LMAO
Lhh
I didn't know "Mary Ann" is a term for "Servant Girl" in those English days.
kirby march barcena unfortunate for all the girls out there named Mary Ann
It’s my birth name but I changed it cuz it’s ugly to me and also because it’s another name for a clumsy person or a vagina
Kandice M yeah, it’s strange but it’s a reeeeeaaaally old fashioned way of saying vagina and I heard about it through my great grandma xx
Kandice M ahhh it’s the Irish in me 😂
Kandice M ayyyyyyy
11:12 Alice looks so damn done, she's just looking at us like "Realy?"
Really
Really*
😂😂😂 true
Kayla S-c mood
Jon: "This woman has the reputation of being the ugliest person in history"
Also Jon: " This was obviously way before 6ix9ine was born"...
Jeez you didn't have to roast him that much 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
I love how his tone doesn't change when he makes his funnies.... New sub here!
Can you explain the joke to me?
...I don't get it... What's so funny?
I didn't know 14 minutes have passed they felt like merely 5 and despite the fact that I have already read the book and am not a big fan of the story I am enjoying this series so much because Jon has a beautiful story telling ability
Lubna HM I hated the book as well
I loved the book! And for some reason it always reminds me of the book Go Ask Alice, which I love as well
14 mins just passed as I read your comment and I thought the exact same thing☺️
I know right. He just makes everything interesting.
"If you knew Time as well as I do, you wouldn't talk about wasting it. It's him.”- the mad hatter
I was pretty bored up until now. Until a new vid came up aye!
😂😂😂 he roasted 69
😆😆😆
roasted and served
🤫😂
Mali Music 😂😹
I was looking for this comment 😂😂👏🏽
Who knew Ouran High Host Club's episode was so close to the original!
So true
I think Black Butler did just as well
deartotheheart OOF i didnt think anyone else would think that besides me, i thought of Ouran Hight Hosts Clubs episode as soon as the duchess and baby chapter came up
I was thinking of that episode just how 😂
The black Butler and Ouran versions of wonderland are pretty accurate to the book~ The way that the twins from Ouran kept disappearing and re-appearing quickly to make it look as though they were one person, Elizabeth crying a river of tears because she was upset at Ciel in Black butler and how Agni kept using too much pepper in the Curry making everyone present sneeze. If both Ouran and Black butler's wonderland OVA's were to be put together then it would be so accurate to Alice's adventure's in wonderland~
Me: tells my parents about this
My parents: Which class did you learn about this in?
Me: 😐
so "Who are YOU?" is the original british "WHAT ARE THOSE?!"
I do appreciate you noting the cultural context for this stuff - it's not always needed, but it certainly adds a little more clarity.
Pig and Pepper is my favorite chapter because of the Cheshire Cat. "Did you say pig or fig?" 🤣
I LOVE both “Alice’s Adventures In Wonderland” and “Through The Looking Glass”! I’ve read both books and both are marvelous!! I have Asperger’s Syndrome and to me it seems like many of the denizens of Wonderland and Looking Glass Land do too. Alice interprets their mannerisms as strange, insane, nonsensical and rude-the same way many non-autistic people often interpret the mannerisms of those of us on the autistic spectrum. To me many of their mannerisms were perfectly sane and made a lot of logical sense. Now about them being “rude”........well, let’s see.....Alice follows a perfect stranger (The White Rabbit) right into his house. Most people would say this is not only rude but frightening because this is basically stalking. She walks into the Duchess’s house without any invitation-so to speak, breaking and entering, she snubs the Caterpillar by walking away from him in a huff simply because she didn’t understand his logic (Oh and by the way the Caterpillar is smoking presumably pot or opium which is one way some people with Asperger’s deal with this disability), she doesn’t even consider the Mother Bird’s point of view regarding her eggs and never even apologizes for the havoc she’s creating for this poor creature, she crashes the March Hare’s tea party and then leaves in a huff declaring “That was certainly the stupidest tea party I’ve ever been to!”, she looks down on all the citizens in both lands because their mannerisms are different than hers, she thinks HER way is the ONLY RIGHT WAY to do things and that everybody else’s way is “strange”, “absurd”, “curious” and downright INSANE..........so who’s the “rude” one NOW?
Thank you for posting this. It was very insightful. You made some very good points I'd never considered before.
Huh... That made me think.
True.... Wow good point!!
Wow This makes so much sense
Loved this
in defense of the caterpillar, alice walked up on him, and she never gave a clear answer on who she was. the caterpillar ask the same question, and she just kept acting dumb. if you are in near my mushroom, i would ask who the h*ll you are too!
You forgot that she was seven?
@@yikesgina WHoOoooO Rrrrrrr UuuUuuuuu? At myyYyyy texxXxxt!! Truancy yooOou sAaay
@@yikesgina You are near his shroom 😔
@@Bigvgiant she was a kid ya doink
Charles loving little girls
Back in the days: *ah, i see you're a man of culture as well*
Modern days: *wait, thats illegal*
Pedophilia wasn't accepted back then either.
That tekashi diss tho
Lol I can't
Bird scared about her eggs
Alice's logic: *Thou I have eaten eggs before* I'm not a serpent💁🔫😡
I totally love that part with the caterpillar in the book and movie but my favorite has always been the Cheshire Cat
That interaction with the chesser cat where Alice says she just wants to go somewhere reminds me of my time playing Red Dead 2. Majority of my time I just wandered around wondering who lived nearby and what they were doing.
Wait, imagine a massive open world Alice in Wonderland game. That would be pretty great in my opinion. Just a huge strange world to explore.
With the queen of hearts of course as the big villian.
What would make it even cooler is that with the ability to grow larger or smaller, you could either go on a GODZILLA style rampage or go ANT-MAN small and discover a whole new micro world that would lead to another $60 roaming world game.
@@TheRealNormanBates well that would of course be the dlc, but it would just basically be a whole nother game.
2 PC games were made with Alice in Wonderland. Both have gothic horror themes, the 1st game kinda sticks to the story & it does feature Alice fighting the queen & the 2nd game is a sequel where we are told Alice's family are dead & she is put in a mental home but as the game progresses, you learn the mental home has a side job dealing in child prostitution & the head doctor is also a trafficker. Alice kills Dr. Bumpy when she finds that out. (Yes, that is his name)
@@labelledamedumanor4876 we literally just bought the game last weekend. Its trippy but interesting.
@@labelledamedumanor4876 If you're talking about American McGee's Alice (and the sequel, Alice: Madness Returns), her parents are actually dead in the first game. The opening cutscene of the first game shows how the cat knocked over a lamp during the night when Alice was seven years old, and that started a fire that burned Alice's house down and killed her parents; Alice was the only survivor. The fire left her traumatized and catatonic, so she was sent to a mental hospital. The first game takes place ten years after the fire, when Alice is 17 - she'd been in the institution the entire time since the fire and her parents' death. The second game actually takes place after she's been released.
Ayyye watching at the HEB grocery store 😂 notification group what's up
" Disagrees with everything she says, and repeatedly cuts her off to make rude comments"
Just like my friend's eight year old sister.....
Listening to this, I realized that the Tweedles recited "Old Father William" as Alice snuck away from them in the Disney cartoon (after they recited the Walrus and the Carpenter)
I don't think it was weird or creepy that he didn't like boys at all! He was teased and bullied as a child and back then parents didn't jump in like now, most kids had to deal with it on their own. Little girls back then were taught to be kind, caring, and loving, compassionate little caregivers, in preparation for their future roles in life as wives and mothers. Given his childhood and his insecurities, he probably didn't care for "society" , especially if those who tormented him in his youth, and was somewhat immature emotionally, finding himself comfortable and relaxed in the only company that has never made him feel badly...Young girls. Besides,not ALL men are out to attack children, and during that era it wasn't uncommon for an unmarried family friend who was done of children to devote themselves to the friend's children, taking the role of a favorite aunt or uncle. I, for one, have never believed the innuendos made about Dodgson's relationship with children, especially Alice....I'm not saying such things didn't happen, I know they did, but I don't believe it to be the case here.
3:09
“Welp! There goes Bill!”
This part Still makes me laugh uncontrollably as an adult!
❤️, A Dorothy In Red Mary Janes
Google This sometime back in the 90s, this made me laugh out loud.
I love this book, oooorrrrrrr just him describing It either way I can't wait for part 3 to come out!!
CZcams taking out its anger for having so many dislikes on youtube rewind by demonetising random videos 😂
I used to live in Oxfordshire, a particular variety of mushroom grows there at a particular time of year.... I think I know where Carrol was finding inspiration....
My favorite chapter was the one where Alice meets the Duchess and the cook. And of course the conversation with the Cheshire Cat.
I love these videos!! Definitely smashed the like button!! (:
Jon, this excursion through Alice's adventures is a true E ticket (Disney reference for you). I always thought the reason Carroll's books are timeless is because they are 85% conversation, which read aloud beautifully to young audiences. The descriptions and imagery really just set up the characters and their colorful discussions with Alice, who holds her own in return. I'd wager most of her dialogue are things that Alice Liddell actually said during those riverside picnics with her siblings and "Dodo" Dodgson. And yes, the Cheshire Cat may get all the love, but the Caterpillar's advice is where Wonderland gels best.
Whooo are youuuu
a mushroom
Who the fuck are you
Who the fuck are you
Who are wee
what are thooosee?
Anyone but yourself
Hope everything got sorted out with CZcams!!
#NotificationSquad
When I was a kid it's the walrus and oysters that always freaked me out.
9:46 the shaaaddeee
Alices face when the baby turns into a pig is priceless. Just over it.
The puppy just always let's me think the wizard of oz and Alice in wonderland are connected
Have you considered that Lewis Carroll might have been born with moderate to high functioning autism? As he grew up, he would likely find the boys a bit too rough and might gravitate to girls who were not so boisterous. As he grew into adulthood, he may have been confused by adult relationships and adult social politics. Hence the continued relationships with young girls - they would be easier to deal with - and the retreat into the somewhat ordered and understandable world of academia.
(By It he could just have been a paedophile too scared to actually put his feelings into practice.)
Hmm, actually that's a pretty neat theory.
And it would fit in what Jon Solo explained about him.
I agree with you that girls usually are easier to deal with ;)
But on the other hand, actual pedophilia might be an explanation too.
For this, it is important to know the actual meaning of it.
Nowadays, pedophilia seems to be used synonymously to child abuse.
But that's not the same.
Pedophilia (considered as a mental disorder) is the attraction/love towards children.
And if Lewis Carroll would actually have been a pedophile, he might have also been a functioning one.
Jon stated that he was quite intellectual, so he might have known about the consequences if he would let himself go.
But. Love is not all about sex, right?
He might have put his feelings into action.
Through befriending girls, entertaining them and making them happy.
All that without any sexual interaction. Because he knew that it would hurt them.
And none of us would want to hurt a person we love either. Right?
@@meinich4794 so he was grooming them
@@setofreakinkaiba8553 would it be grooming if he never abuse the girls?
@@BlueSmokie it is a calculated abuse but it was kinda normal back then. I mean they basically married 15 year olds like if it was nothing. I think he had an intrest in the oldest daughter, since she was available, that is why her parents didn't associate with him. They didn't want her to marry yet. It is all speculation however, her lineage thinks he was intrested in one of them if you see the documentary. There isn't a way to know for sure.
@@BlueSmokie we don't know if it was abuse or not cuz no one ever talked about it. So it's kinda pointless to go over it with no evidence. I'm just saying if he did do it and he was preparing them, then he was grooming them....and if that is the case thank god they managed to seperate the children from him.
Jon I love that you dragged 69 keep it up 😂
First! And I love Alice in Wonderland. I read a series based on The Adventures of Alice in Wonderland, called Splintered. It’s pretty good.
Real first
No one cares
What's Splintered about? And where can I get a copy?
Woody Webb the grotesque madness of a mystical under-land, as well as a girl's pangs of first love and independence. Alyssa Gardner hears the whispers of bugs and flowers-precisely the affliction that landed her mother in a mental hospital years before ...
Aaaah! Love that series! I Read it twice ^.^
Lol I put all your 'Messed Up Origins' into a play list and I watch 1 video a night,
I know so cliché but it makes me look forward to something at night.
❤️ First thing when I opened my eyes is check my cell notifications - and there you are!!! PART 2!!!
I was waiting for this until I was knocked out (due to consecutive traveling) - even watch your video before getting my glasses 😘💋
Your a great storyteller 💖🤘🏻!!!
So awesome Jon this is so interesting! Thanks for spending the time to share it 😊
I was so looking forward to this video! This is the best series you’ve done.
"Everyone's mad" lol FACTZ
Jon, are you staying with Disney classics - or will you venture into Dahl, Tolkien, Lewis, Baum ... (actually Disney DID make an Oz flick, but it would make more sense to break down the first - most famous - book and its MGM adaptation ahead of this - America's main fantasy to date)
11:12 Alice was not having it😂
Ahh this is so great! I finally got around to watching pt. 1 this morning
“Dilly-dally shilly-shally.”
woah what happened to the video earlier oof
still gave it another like! can't wait for the next part to come out!
I know right Yay it's awsome
Finally, it's here. Looking forward for the next part!
I could listen to you talk forever... thank you for your videos!
There was a live action Alice in wonderland I used to watch where the scene of the pepper and the baby and dutches came out in
Ah yes memories of the 1999 live action version of alice in wonderland.
What about doing one on something Christmas related?
A few examples:
The Grinch
Christmas Carol
Ashley Hickey Yes! I love this idea! I would love a “Messed Up” origins of A Charlie Brown Christmas. Depression, no sense of community, the commercialization of the holiday ... that’s the American Way right there. Or, the Nutcracker. There are so many different versions already.
@@80sgirl96 I am from Canada, but that doesn't matter. I like your ideas, as well. Thank you for bringing them up.
@@80sgirl96 The ironic thing about A Charlie Brown Christmas was that it had a moral about commercialism-and in the later years Peanuts was commercialized to the Nth degree.
Thank you for all the work your doing. You do such a good job. You Rock
I live for these in-depth videos of classic childhood stories. Amazing as always Jon mate!
I’ve played Alice Madness Returns the video game and this actually explains a lot of the random characters and ideas in the game
I was gonna watch this video Sooner but I was late for a very inportant date
The snake scene in the movie makes so much more sense now
Love these videos!
Hi, I was wondering if you would consider doing an origins video on all the different Christmas traditions we have? Like stockings, trees, presents, even Santa. I'd really like to know where Rudolph came from, too! Love your videos.
Gee, a nerdy boy with a stutter not liking other boys, so mysterious. Oh wait, boys are more often bullies than girls, especially to nerds and people with stutters. So yeah, the fact most of his childhood friends were girls makes perfect sense to me. I had a very similar childhood.
No he had a lot of little girls as friends when he was a grown man and that was the odd part!
What? I've encountered way more girl bullies than boy ones. Boys are typically just the physical version though.
he sounds like a replica of me
@Pink_Uniqueorn yeah i have 5 five 9 year olds that I hang out with. Since there is so many of them I got this white van awhile back so I can take all of them with me at the same time. There aren't any windows in the back but it's fine.
@Pink_Uniqueorn amen to that. We will not get anywhere unless discrimination ends completely.
Love the Alice content! Subscribed! There’s so much more to find out I’m so excited.
9:40 sick burn 😂 Amazing video (as always) btw! Your consideration of these funny or interesting litte details regarding this story and its background is really admirable and entertaining! Much love from Germany :))
Is this a repost i just watched this like 10 minutes ago.. anyway its awesome anyway!! Thanxxxx
Jessica Melvin same
"Just the place for a Snark!" the Bellman cried,
As he landed his crew with care;
Supporting each man on the top of the tide
By a finger entwined in his hair.
"Just the place for a Snark! I have said it twice:
That alone should encourage the crew.
Just the place for a Snark! I have said it thrice:
What I tell you three times is true."
The crew was complete: it included a Boots--
A maker of Bonnets and Hoods--
A Barrister, brought to arrange their disputes--
And a Broker, to value their goods. ........................................
I liked how jon still has a straight face after roasting someone, being sarcastic and etc.
Love this series, thank you! Please keep it up :)
That tekashi line though😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Hi Jon! Please remember to put the link to part 2 in your part 1 video. Btw love your videos!!!!! #notificationgang
"where after every line she would *SHAKE IT VIOLENTLY*"
XD I'M DEAD
Love you're videos. Keep up the good work
Do a Messed Up Origins based on Santa Claus just in time for Christmas.
is that a lion king shirt? I like it!
Can't wait for part 3 keep up the good work♡♡
I love your videos and can't wait until part 3!
Been with the channel since you were “Jongasm” enjoying the content, also you happen to be casually giving out any jongasms would you 🙃 cause boy you fine
Finally! You're other one was private.
Last one got demonetized for some reason so I put it on private hoping it'd fix itself... but it didn't so I re-uploaded. Thanks for your patience :)
Oh, that makes sense
Best way to wake-up in the morning and see a new video on Alice in wonderland BEEN SO EXCITED FOR THE PART TWO
I needed this video after a long week at work 😍
I find odd that in anime and cartoons they have one wonderland episode with whole cast take roles from story
Saw the original before he took it down ;v
Wonder why it was taken down though.
it was demonetized straight away
Another great video. Ready for part 3😀
I was laughing so hard at an ad before the video and then Jon came on and I screamed hey why you ruin my ad but I’m glad I watched though lmao
It really sound like Alice is in hell
HE FLAMED 6IX9INE
Four parts!? I could barely wait for two!
*sigh*
Keep ‘em coming. 😊
"who are you" back then is like modern day "what are thooooose"
why is nobody questioning why a caterpillar is *smoking?*
Yay! Thank you Jon Solo! :3
Gotta love all this weekly JONtent.
Liking girls is not odd, it's perfectly normal. I don't think Lewis Carroll was a deviant. He could have just enjoyed the company of young girls. I think children suffer when not exposed to adults socially so it could have been a very positive relationship, evidence points to that. I'm cutting Lewis Carroll the benefit of the doubt.
@Phil Ill not religious at all. You're the one supporting pedophilia by saying it's perfectly normal to have such an affinity for young girls in this day and age
@@andrewflores12 technically paedophilia is just the love of children, not all of them act on it and become child molesters and some even go into therapy etc. To get help. Do I excuse it? No, but if they don't act on it at all then am I gonna berate them, no.
Emma Elisha, I can disagree with that. pedophilia does not mean the love of children, it means feeling sexual feelings towards and directed to children. it's not normal for a man to have a liking towards little girls in this day and age.
@@Irene-zb1zv yeah THIS day and age that wasn't now and he even said that then and now is different. We can't call him a paedophile cause we don't know if he was sexually attracted to women
I agree. Also, children are usually a lot less judgemental than adults, so maybe because Carroll was so self conscious about the way he looked, he preferred to surround himself with children because they didn't 'make fun' of his appearence and stutter.
There is a live action Alice in wonderland movie that is based on the book scene by scene. It came out in 1999.
ik which one you’re talking about I have the film and when he started talking about it I was like oh it’s the 1999 Alice in wonderland movie
Love that cat slowly disappearing moment
Awesome video! I can't wait until the next one. My favorite chapter is with the caterpillar 🍄 he's also my all time favorite Alice character! I'm really loving this part 5 mini-series. It would be very interesting to see these types of videos more often. Keep up the amazing with Jon!!! 💙😛
5:20 so basically a meme