What's happening with football in China?
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In 2011, Chinese President Xi Jinping, dreamt of a Chinese national football team: âparticipating in a World Cup,â âhosting the World Cup,â and, most ambitiously, âbecoming World Cup championsâ.
But after years of investment into the Chinese domestic league, racking up billions of dollars of debt in the process, the positivity of half a decade earlier has evaporated almost as soon as it appeared.
Why did the president want to develop football? Was he overly ambitious? And what has happened to football in China?
Jon Mackenzie explains, Marco Bevilacqua illustrates.
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There are a couple of mistakes in this morning's video: Kashmir is not shown correctly, neither are Kyrgyzstan and Tajikistan. Sorry everyone - Tifo team.
@@kevs4792 have a sook mate
There is no correct way to show Cashmir... it is claimed by three different countries ! But yeah Tajikistan and Kyrgyzstan looks a monstrosity.
It is so egregious that I would go back and edit it.
Phew
@@t.c.4321 What claim do China have to Kashmir lmao? The majority of Kashmir belongs to India with a smaller part occupied by Pakistan.
Bringing in Marquee players from abroad to the league isn't gonna improve the national team. They should have invested all that money into grass roots and nurturing home grown talent but instead they chose lazy shortcuts.
I mean, doing one doesn't negate the other. Japan went through almost the same thing in the 90s but took full advantage of the football hype to construct their grassroot system.
some players naturalised to the Chinese team, most of them of partial Chinese heritage, so yes it does work out to some extent. Many countries done this in football like Qatar. Don't be ignorant and learn.
And spent it on missiles
England have done it
I mean it's kinda cus they did it wrong like if you going to invest in players to make the teams better limiting to 3 foreign players doesn't work because you get in big names only at the club for the money when you need more sensible players who will try to improve the rest of the team with them and you could only get these players In if you had more foreign player space. These players could then work within the club in other rolls a player like Oscar or fellaini was never gonna do stuff like that
A big reason the sport has not grown as the chinese government envisioned is because Basketball is seemingly winning the arms race for viewership in China over football
As a Chinese myself seeing the downfall of Chinese football is just sad, I still remember when China qualified for the World Cup everybody was so hyped and thought it was the rise of chinese football but itâs was the peak. Basketball is getting more attention now in china and football is getting less popular.
@@AL52737 so the nba has better marketing than FIFA in China
@@AL52737 is that Chinese football vs. Chinese basketball or watching European football vs. the NBA?
@@AL52737 CZcams is banned đ« there . How come you ??
@@huykim4663 from what i understand chinese basketball teams are seen as a reputable option for sub-nba level talent roughly on the level of euroleague clubs, which is not the (relative) case for chinese football ofc
I lived in Shanghai and had the leaders of Juventus' youth academy spoke at the university I was in. Based on what was said China will never be a force because it's banned its local teams from playing major team academies after Chinese teams were beaten easily, thus removing any benchmark. Secondly, the culture would rather have kids focus on their education than chase a football career, which based on global statistics, is unlikely they will even go pro
wow, you've hit the jackpot with such revelations! You're like that guy at school advising students. You should go pro and get set up as an academic adviser instead of commenting utube videos.
@@diegozarate5930 you are a strange, strange person
I disagree on your last point. Yes, parents generally prefer their kids to be academic but given how many sports stars there are in China with some at international level (even more so in Olympic events), clearly it's not impossible to convince enough parents to pursue sports for their children. I think the Chinese football system is just too immature at the moment to compete internationally although I agree with you that it makes no sense to ban them from competing.
@@ruan13o still I think education is a main reason as to why many football players never even try to go pro. I mean, in a pool of 1.3 billion people I know there was probably some little village kid that couldâve been the next Messi, but rather then putting their focus into maybe becoming good enough to join a team that could improve their skill, studying is much safer and much more likely to produce results where you donât go starving on the chance you have a career ending injury.
I mean, I know for sports that Asians are well known for you could probably convince your parents like (Olympic weightlifting) but without any notable key players that have become mildly popular in China itâs had to convince them otherwise.
Spot on. Education is a number one goal for Chinese parents. As my Chinese mom-in-law would say, "sport and art is a hobby, find a real job".
The Korean Coach walked up the stairs to a temple and asked god when will the Korean national team win the world cup. God answered in 50 years. The Korean coach starting crying saying that it will not be within his lifetime. Next the Japanese coach walked up to the temple and ask God when will the Japan National team win the world cup. God said in 100 years. The Japanese coach started crying saying that it will not be in his lifetime. The Chinese coach walked up to the temple asking God when will the Chinese national team win the world cup. God stayed silent for a while and then started crying and saying not in his lifetime.
I like how Tifo Included Kyrgyzstan and Tajikistan within China while showing the map of China @1:15
playing both ends against the middle at its finest
Even India's map is wrong whole of leh region is shown to be part of china and jammu is shown separate from india.
And not Taiwan..
@@jhamessmith and why should Taiwan be included? đ
Well this is a football channel, and they are Brits, so they deserve some leeway.
China's football infrastructure and maturity was pretty low to start with and I think the issues highlighted in this video is part of its (brutal) learning curve. Money was pumped in but was wasted on big name players who didn't really have the right attitude and the gulf in ability between them and the local players were too huge for it to be beneficial. Lots of facilities may have been built but it takes a long time to train all the coaches required. The new rules to restrict the outlandish spending is probably a good long term move even if it looks like it has just 'destroyed' the league in the short term. I think China needs foreign coaches and players but not big stars. A large contingent of mid-level coaches and decent players (but not stars) would be good to teach the local coaches how to coach teams and show the local players what it takes to be a footballer would be beneficial I think. The goal has to be to learn from foreign talent rather than win with foreign talent otherwise there will never be a motivation to develop local talent.
The long term plan should be theoretically achievable. With China have such a large population and state level resources to spend, just statistically speaking there should be plenty of people with the right natural talent to be successful footballers. The tricky bit is to have the right infrastructure and coaching to bring those talents to fruition.
I agree, well said.
A reasonable approach would've saved them a lot of money and probably given better results.
đŻ% agreed. Iâd add that Chinese Football needs more European bridges & partnerships like the one with Bayern Munich where thereâs no immediate conflict or competition between the 2 leagues only Win Win. Bayern will grow their asia footprint & China will learn how to coach, play, tactics, man manage, psychology, nutrition etc. Despite that Xi should focus on lifting people from the poverty of factories first so they can afford to have time to watch football on tele. Let alone go to actual matches. But I guess these people are fodder in any country in any timeline.
Put some commas in, please. Your comment is unreadable
I agree. You don't have to look that far to see that China is definitely capable to produce quality athletes. In the Olympics along with the US, China always ranks among the countries with the most medals, so it wouldn't suprise me if with smart investment and time we see China producing quality football players in few decades. But like I said it takes time.
China should look to Iceland and Faroe Island how they've invested in facilities rather than glitzy transfers. This bore fruit with vast improvements to the national side etc.
Even the Faroe Islands are no longer a whipping side for all European clubs, they can challenge higher ranked teams now.
Didnât even know Faroe Islands had a team
@@KanyeTheGayFish69 Or a stadium....
My friend, the "Chairman of the Football Association" of Chinese football, is in prison, and his predecessor is also in prison. His predecessor's predecessor was also in prison. The most corrupt places in China are in football associations and lottery centers.
Speaking of China, I recall reading about the Caribbean Football Union, a read a part about Jack Warner rubbishing the idea of a Caribbean football team, in similar vain to the West Indies cricket team. He mentioned that if countries are being compared on size, why haven't China qualified?
honestly, it's better to invest in 100 football pitches than in one stadium, and 1000 football trainers and teachers than in 1 football idol. in the long term it yelds more results
I can counter your argument:
Itâs better to invest in 10 full size basketball courts in 1 football pitch. And yes, you can fit 10 of those in 1 football field.
So, theoretically, if you say 100 football pitches, I can say that you can invest in 1,000 basketball courts in 100 football pitches.
And considering that China already has an established basketball culture because the NBA drafted a 7â0 basketball player named YAO MING and became a superstar and the NBA marketed him and that boosts the relationship between the NBA and China, hence the boosts in basketball culture in China.
Itâs not just China, itâs also in the Philippines as well. Thereâs also another 7â0 young basketball player named KAI SOTTO. Born in the Philippines, if he gets a contract in the NBA, Basketball culture in the Philippines will expand.
Thereâs another young 7â4 basketball player born in France named VICTOR wenbenyama.
@@robert2690 So that's 3 out of...?
Great video bro, when i checked team call Guanzhou Fc i was shocked because their transfer value is only 3 mil. They won chinese league couple of times and twice Afc, they had players like Talisca, Paulinho, Elkeson and now they are in relegation zone and have some random Chinese players
Chinas going backward while Japans who just changed the game are going up đ
because their boss is nearly bankruptïŒor already bankrupt with nearly a trillion dollars debtïŒđ ïŒthey are good before anyway but it is the football works in ChinaïŒif your boss has no money, you died
China prefer foreign because they dont trust their people unlike vietnam, japan and korea.
Whatâs wrong is that China doesnât have a grassroots culture with football like countries Brazil, Italy and many other western countries have. Money alone canât build a grassroots footballing culture in a country.
And send 500M to angola to build the stadiums is something wrong with china
They should have created a scheme where they send their players to Europe or America to develop and then hope they represent china. Theyâd also come back and inspire grassroots that way.
Extremely wrong, the most ancient root humanity has to football is based on China.
@@hugoumero9723 Barter business - stadiums for oil.
They do but starting a grassroots project often yields little in 10 years. Look again in 25-30 years
Man, I miss the times when Shanghai SIPG would run riot with Hulk, Arnautavic, Oscar etc. The league has barely any star players left.
Guangzhou Evergrande is even going to be relegated
Main issue is that they skipped the three key factors to start building a powerful football league
- Investing and growing your talent
- Bringing in analysts, coaches and staff that know what they are doing
- Becoming attractive to other nationalities in the continent.
On that last point Iâll elaborate. Itâs easier to grow in importance when players from other leagues are willing to play on your league despite interest from European clubs. Having not only the best players in china, but the best players in Asia is a huge bump in development.
Chinese are right, paying a football player 1mil or more per month is imbeciIic...
@@bdleo300 Not really, no
Being from the United States, Tifo always seems to upload these videos right when I'm about to sleep.
Then I watch it and sleep is delayed đ
My friends and I were having a discussion about this a few days ago. Great to see an in-depth video about it. Thanks
Same ! We're basically brain-twins !!
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these videos are great to watch during breakfast. From the soft narration to the background music.
It seems very strange now but there was a very short time when the Chinese Super League basically wanted to buy everyone and didnât care for FFP.
I thought it was going to spiral out of control like the Chinese Super League wanting players like Messi, Ronaldo, De Bruyne, Aguero, Hazard, and them wanting to be a commercial competition to the English Premier League.
Then restrictions happened and everyone just forgot about the Chinese Super League.
FFP only applies to leagues under UEFA.
Hahaha
Think he meant the chinese version of ffp which did occur
In 2017, the Chinese FA brought in their own regulations where clubs had to pay 100% tax on foreign transfers and the quota of domestic players under the age of 23 in the starting lineup must be equal to the number of foreign players starting. That contributed to the decline of the league as now a ÂŁ20m player cost ÂŁ40m
It's a grassroots problem. Parents in rural areas rarely allow their kids to play football. The main way is go to school, get a job & earn a living.
Am đŻ that talents of Ronaldo, haaland & Messi's level are all hiding inside China & India.
India lol
Japanese, South Koreans have a more educationculture than China or India and they are good at playing football. Maybe China and India just are horrible at football?
There are no Messis or Ronaldos in India, China. No need to downplay football
@@Y--or8vx in india we develop the culture of cricket so we produce the best cricket players in the world so if we have developed the football culture then things might gone in different way and I am not downgrading Ronaldo or messi just I am saying that when I was born I thought the biggest tournament in the world is cricket so even if I love footbal I have to play cricket cuz everyone in my locality played cricket but after becoming Nature in the age of 23 I realised that football gives the recognition in the world and it brings pride to their country.
There are talents much better than them hiding in all places of the world, but events dont line up to have them go pro, while it does for haaland, messi or ronaldo.
The map of China used in this video is off, namely in the west.
Chinese Women did win the Womens AFC recently though. The Chinese are extremely frustrated with what they view as the incredibly entitled Mens team and are beginning to follow the Women's team. Interestingly enough this is a viewership pattern that Canada went through. Frustration with the Mens team leading to acceptance and celebration of the better Women's side.
As well as in South Africa. Our mens does terribly while our womens team does far better like winning Afcon and qualifying for world cups without hosting them.
@@hydromic2518 is it really how people in SA feel now? As an outsider, I thought the menâs performance in the WCQ would have given yâall some hope
@@hydromic2518 Africa won the 2018 world cup just France stole your players
The women of those countries play a football with less quality than in U12 teams.
@@denzel_thegreat1681 France didn't stole the player, they turned them good
Players like Kante or Pogba weren't taken from their country by French recruiter when they were 14 or 15, the grew up in France and French football turned them into the players they are now
There are definitely thousands of players who could be better than them who still live in Africa but African countries are just unable to turn them good
Having lived their for 6 years, China as a country works on ć łçł» (guanxi), essentially relationships/connections and who you know.
Grassroots football is pretty much none existent and player development and resourcing doesnât necessarily go to the best and most talented players but it will go to whoeverâs family has the better ć łçł» and better connections whether thatâs through wealth or political power.
Thats not only in china, as Indian I can confirm that happens here too. Thats the widespread mentality or culture in Indian subcontinent as well as entire asia.
That sounds like they don't really get football then, it's an every man's game (and women) so it should not matter who the connections are with but how good you are and sometimes that is just personal skill and development, not how much money you have or who's dad has a bit of money.
@@rushikesh.khardekar not entire asia, small countries like south korea, japan, qatar, uae, rest of middle east has deep rooted footballing culture. it seems like countries usually have one favorite sports like china has basketball and table tennis, indonesia has badminton, india has cricket, hockey and badminton.
Right on point, from a Chinese
That's why more grassroot investment is needed. If good players who are poor can't make top clubs because of corruption, then they can atleast be scouted from the lower leagues.
Whereas corrupt players would not be promoted to the first team and clubs would have a overview of their policies considering how lower clubs have better players. But China operates differently so this wouldn't be as simple as it sounds.
can you make a video about Malaysian football? there's a big fan base in Malaysia for football and only in recent years the football league in malaysia is showing major improvements, they've got a long ways to go but i believe they're on the right track.
You can say that about many countries. I don't see the relevance.
Indonesians also want to see a Tifo clip about their football league/culture/scene. But, I'm sorry, the only relevance I see is them being a market for the Premier League.
On the other hand, a clip about Sepak takraw would be cool. It's such an amazing sport. And it fits the bodies of South East Asians much better.
@@yannick245 to be fair, he made a video on Thailand back in the 2019 Asian cup. which I really donât see any real relevance for. And no surprise they lost in R16 lol. The southeast Asian country deserving the most to be talked about is Vietnam, whos golden generation have developed really fast lately, but they still arenât on the World Cup level yet or winning an Asian cup to be relevant for a video. If a video were to be made it should be on the specific AFC u23 tournament from 2018 by Vietnam because that was a miracle run.
@@usersixnine347 maybe before the next Asian Cup. Thatâll fit the timing of the Thailand video in the past (participants of the last qualifying round).
From a Chinese, why we don't produce many talents despite having the largest population is far beyond a question of football. The root of the problem lies within how our society is structured and the values of parents. Namely, for example in the UK, if you fail to make it as a professional football player, you can always play in the lower leagues or take a blue-collar job. That is nonexistent in China. For the vast majority of parents, academic grades are what matter most, because that's how you get to a top university and have a brighter future. Labour workers are looked down upon, their work is tiring, and they don't earn much. To have your kid train professionally is too big a risk, because after all, few can stand on the highest stage. So our youth academies are very very weak.
France has a population only 4.8% the size of China population wise yet went on to win a world cup. You can imagine the number of people who train to become a footballer is significantly lower than the overall population. China would need such a small number percentage of the population to take the risk on being a footballer to produce a professional league should the investment be there.
â@kie1878 70% of France football elite are Africans.
As a Chinese die-hard sports fan, I must tell you that Chinese youngsters have a heavy burden of study. When I was at the last year of high school, sports classes were all cancelled and math or other so called 'useful' subjects' teachers would take advantage of this 45 mins instead. We have a great population, but we don't have enough youth to play football at all. Also the system is so abnormal. The gov knows nothing about football, but they want to control everything. They don't respect the basic law of football development, so the worst result is inevitable.
Why are Kyrgyzstan and Tajikistan included as part of china on maps? 1:12
Wait till 2050, you'll see why:)
AC Milan dodged a bullet when their Chinese owners defaulted and left them in the hands of the US Hedge fund.
Compared with Inter, Milan are in such a good place right now, whereas Inter are being mismanaged by Sunning.
Showing Tajikistan and Kyrgyzstan as part of China is a nasty error, you would have made a new video if that happend with Ireland for example being shown as part of the UK.
I think you used a wrong China map at the start of the video. Kyrgyzstan and Tajikistan suddenly became Chinese đ
Serious question, is this a thing? Like in China, is there a desire to annex Kygryzstan and Tajikistan?
@@dunnowy123 no, never heard of anyone talking about that, living in China for decades. There is no border dispute between China and central Asian counties
They probably got the wrong old map from 1500 years ago.đ€Ł
Your map of China completely subsumes the nations of Tajikistan and Kyrgyzstan. something you guys are predicting PRC will do or??
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Over spending always, always, always fails.
The should've targeted lower level leagues for their top players, thus signing players who are very good compared to the Chinese player and at logical prices. Eran Zahavi is a good example.
But what about their grassroots plan? Are they still investing in football schools?
Can you do a video on Australia's confusing npl structure
basically each state has its own indeividual league and finals, they had a national finals which the winner of each state comp would attend but thats been cancelled since wolves won in 2019. maybe theyll change it up with the second professional division on its way in the near future
@@blake952 ik i play
@@blake952 is it going to happen though? It would have to include teams like Sydney United 58,which after what happened at the cup final surely canât happen. The a-league was created to leave the sectarian clubs of old behind, and a second division would have to reintroduce to clubs, and those problems. If love a second division to happen, I just donât know if it will
A solution to this issue is to start again just like the genesis of the A League
Hard cap of $1,000,000 to ensure no clubs go bankrupt
State winners of NPL 1 plus academy teams from A League to form the first season
NPL is an amateur tournament organised between individual states and cities. It seems like the Australians are trying to solve this with a second division, to be started by 2023 or 2024.
The problem was bringing in oversees players who weren't on the top 10 of the world level, The expendetures of clubs with the little tv revenue probably screwed them over. They did however improve facilities and it'll be another 10 years before we start to see the young upcoming chinese players from it. I wouldn't call it a failure until 2035 based on how many chinese players are in the top 5 leagues
Covid has hit Chinese football very hard basically. In two areas, firstly financially - the real estate companies (such as Evergrande) that owned/sponsored many teams in the CSL have pretty much almost gone bust, leading to investment being withdrawn, salaries going unpaid etc and the standard of players dropping as any league would if the money suddenly dried up and all the best talent left. And secondly disruption, the covid situation in China has been a bit volatile with cities suddenly being strictly locked down and the general situation in the country being more restricted than the rest of the world. The league gets suspended then it restarts in hubs, then a few months later clubs can play at home again but no wait some can't cos their city is suddenly in lockdown. And for clubs or the national team playing overseas there was a long quarantine period on return so in the Champions League clubs sent their youth teams which inevitably got thrashed in all their games. So there has been so much disruption as a consequence of the covid policies
It's a shame as China was planning to host the Asian Cup next year (and eventually Club WC and World Cup) and were building/built a load of "soccer specific" stadiums, so there was a long term plan with infrastructure being put in place but remains to be seen if it can get back on track whenever the CCP do decide to progress past their ultra strict covid policies
It would certainly explain the point deductions in this CSL season. Guangzhou FC (formerly Evergrande) are in danger of being relegated, I'm sure that's no coincidence.
This is so true, the Chinese super league became bankrupt ever since Covid started.
The impact of the pandemic (more so about the Chinese pandemic control policies) is just as important as the decommercializing of the Chinese Leagues. There is a recent decline in performance for Chinese sides where CSL teams are regularly beaten up (I mean BEATEN UP) by teams from Hong Kong or Malaysia, the biggest reason to this is that they mostly field their b-team for continental matches. This is mainly due to the teams that are afraid that the players would have to be strictly quarantined for weeks or worse, they contract COVID. The CSL also made a change to its league format due to fears over viral transmission (becoming more zonal). With the Chinese effort to get down to zero cases, this difficulty in international and domestic competitions will linger even longer in Chinese football.
I agree with you, it's very sad. Before 2019, I was a college student. The happiest part of every day was playing and watching football (English Premier League and Chinese Super League). However, with the advent of the epidemic, I went to graduate school and had to do nucleic acid every day. All the teams in the Chinese Super League had no passion, and every game was empty with no one to watch. I was very sad and thought how wonderful it would be to return to the time between.
@@mcgao1021 I feel you man!
As top South American talent especially from Brazil and Argentina, to increase the Chinese national team's success China must continuously export players to Europe. As of now, I don't know any Chinese players playing in England, Spain, Italy and Germany. This can be done by creating many high level football academies, and spending the money on good teachers rather than the local football teams. Also, as far as I know there is no notable street football scene like in Brazil or Argentina.
Transfermarkt says two Chinese 20s players in the Spanish Segunda Division, the fourth level of the Spanish football system.
This is literally the direct opposition to American football problem. For the case of China, it is overuse of money and mismanagement which crippled China's hope to qualify. For USA, it is the pseudo-franchise system of MLS that undermined American football development and caused its players to go exile for better European leagues. But both carries the same outcome: failure to achieve the necessary standard. And also, do not forget the final moment that caused China's football to such a humiliating fate: the 1-3 loss to Vietnam in 2022 WCQ - the first time ever a Southeast Asian nation claimed a win in a WCQ final round - and this happened on the Lunar New Year.
A bunch of countries have been absolutely wracked with issues in their respective football leagues, China being one of many.
saying China "gifted" Angola $500M for the Stadiums is misleading. It consisted of a usual and common bilateral loan. the UK government also has such loans for Angolan infrastructure projects, Israel is funding the construction of 2 new Stadiums and a Complex for disability athletes.
I truly love tifo journalism, but this political polarization can and should remain out of football
I'm Angolan btw
Which source of information did you use for background research to this video?
I'm wondering which style of play they are teaching mostly to become better at football. Top 20 countries have a bit of own DNA in the game
1:09 When did China took over Kyrgyzstan and Tajikistan, aren't they independent nations?
Developing homegrown players leads to more interest in the West to the detriment of the domestic league. Look at the J-League: 25 or so years ago players like Zico and Littbarski enjoyed their last years as a player in Japan - that's definitely a thing of the past. But almost every western club seems to have one pillar of the team of Japanese nationality!
You could say the same about the MLS with the likes of David Beckham, Kaka, Zlatan, Thierry Henry etc and now the USMNT has new grown talent and were able to qualify for the WC. Just matter of time before US players will dominate in Europe and possibly win their first WC. The women team has been dominant for many years due to its popularity in the youth/pre K
It's true that once players get good enough they'll start leaving the domestic league, but I don't really see that as a problem. The Japanese or American (where I'm from) domestic leagues are never going to be as popular and wealthy as European leagues.
Stojkovic and Lineker too
@@BiggieTrismegistus I disagree with your last statement. It is already gaining popularity. It will just take time. In the end money talks, if it makes money then there will be investors. MLS is already top 6-7 in revenue avg per team. Yeah sure itâs a long way from EPL but EPL is being watched by the whole world.
MLS will have new broadcasting deal by next year jumping from $90m to $300m which will help a lot of the smaller teams.
If the USMNT can make it past group stage or beat England at least then there will be a new generation of soccer players who watched the WC.
@@henrylam92 The MLS as a league has gotten a lot better, especially other the last 10 years or so but I still think we'll see the best US and Canadian players heading to Europe for the foreseeable future. Money matters but there's also the issue of wanting to play with and against the best players too.
Very interesting video thank you all!
I am kindi of thinking..
where is china? why she doesnt participate in the world cup?
the other two develeped nations in asia, japan and korea are making headline in the world cup
but it is very interesting for china and India which has population of 1 million but they can't participate in world cup..
my country also, indonesia which has 270 million people are still very way behind the smaller population like iran, moroco, japan and south korea..
but baby.. China is seen as a global power now but maybe will be long way to go to the dream of becoming a world cup winner
This channel is allergic to mentioning Wolves exist I swear. Owned by Chinese investors and a league two team gets mentioned over us lmao
Even funnier is that league 2 team aren't even associated with the Chinese anymore, they refused to put any money into the club and were removed after ~10 months
Who?
I dont think this is very accurate. We can skip minor errors like saying xi jinping was president by 2011 (he started 2013) or that overseas players over $5MM required a tax (domestic players were subject to this as well). Most importantly this video missed the central point. Chinese football flourished because an influx of money pumped in by real estate developers; it floundered because the entire real estate industry ran into cash flow problems
This just shows the issues with such centralised planning, its just too difficult and results in haphazard decision making and creates uncertainty for investors and all stakeholders involved.
@@sosoable but itâs not very centralized
1:10 what happened to Kyrgyzstan and Tajikistan on the map đ„
Beat me to itđ
A more realistic goal for the Chinese national team would have been to move those goals over to the Asian cup rather than the World Cup
@3:58 why does the chinese map gobble up tajikistan and kyrgyzstan ??
China will have a good chance to qualify for the 2026 world cup since there will be 8.5 spots for Asian teams.
2:58 where did you get that map
1:11 didnt know china annexed parts of central asia
For XI Jinping if China still a super power in real life like: military, economy. He will be more happy than football success.
The plan should have been to invest in football infrastructure and develop new talents. Players exported to top leagues could have raise the profile of Chinese football globally and also Chinese club.
Living in New Zealand from the view of me, a Chinese man, made me to think much about the football situation in my birthplace.
China had been given such a golden chance following its qualification to the 2002 World Cup in Korea and Japan. I remember that golden generation of players, with the likes of Hao Haidong, Li Tie, Sun Jihai, Ma Mingyu, Li Weifeng, Fan Zhiyi and Li Xiaopeng. But then, it failed to materialise - CFA could not take that advantage and thus it was lost. The same matter to the women's. It was given such a golden chance back in 1999 World Cup, after winning silver medal. But China failed to take advantage and thus, the women's team of China was weakened from times.
But circumstances may explain the differences in men's and women's football of China, and we can thank the AFC for that. The Asian officials, for a long time, encouraged only men's football, and not women's; the current AFC President, a Bahraini member of the royal monarchy, is even embroiled in a kidnapping affair back in 2011-13. This explains partly why China has struggled to maintain a position among Asia's middle forces (though the same can also be said to Iraq, UAE, Thailand, Kuwait, Qatar, and Uzbekistan); but in women's, because very few nations in Asia really pay attention, China women's team can actually maintain their position as an elite member.
I never understood how signing Alex Texeira would help China win the world cup
The Covid pandemic hurt the Chinese football project, which was essentially two streams. One, build the infrastructure for grassroots development. Two make the sport attractive to wider Chinese society, with the Super League and big names. When Covid hit at the end of 2019, all those plans had to be suspended. Post-covid and the geopolitical challenges with the US and the West in general, means the economy hasn't recovered and the plan remains suspended.
Umm... YAO MING.
Thatâs all you need to know why
I've lived in China for over 6 years now and play football twice or 3 times every week. Met many Chinese friends and these are all they say
The problem here in China is that
1. There's no footballing culture here
2. Talented kids are not the ones who play here rather the rich parents who know coaches and other officials
3. They don't have Yao Ming of football yet so that doesn't inspire kids they can also do it someday. Kids grow up idolising their role models
Maybe some day this will all change, and with China hosting a World Cup before 2050 that's definitely possible
You have just described what soccer is in US.
yes true the problem is china dont have strong role model in football , not like in badminton have lin dan , pingpong have ma long , in basketball have yao ming and now MMA have zhang weili , in Olympic race have Su Bingtian
@@tigerfist2864 even men's volleyball have Zhang Jingying
Not a big issue, but I believe in this map you've represented tadjikistan and kyrgyzstan as part of china.
Great video as usual by the way!
Investing in youth football is the best course of action for them. I don't know why they decided to invest so heavily on foreign players when their domestic league was in shambles.
I'm guessing they weren't familiarized with the culture and nuances of this sport.
Hope they learned their lessons because a competitive Chinese national team could be very interesting.
Why is there a piece missing in Tibet too?
At least the women's team still performing better. Consistently qualified for World Cup and won Asian Cup recently.
Did they build the specialist football schools?
It will be very tough for China to create talent apart from their large population. The lion share of young people live in dense mega cities. Building football fields in a big city is quite expensive so the amount of football fields per capita is extremely low compared to Western countries. China succeeds in sports that need few space and can be played indoor like table tennis where this is not an issue. I can't see China solve this. They should better focus on other sports.
Video on potential Australian second division?
I believe a lot of these changes will be good for Chinese football in the long term as it wanes the local game off of short term cash injections and foreigner players who donât benefit the national team. The key is those football schools. If it significant boosts participation at an entry level then China will have a far wider pool of talent to choose from
Best player of china are working in facotoriws
@@didyoumissedmegobareatersk2204 well, since one of Chinaâs main aims is to move away from a production-based economy I deem that to be highly unlikely. But why let prejudice get in the way of reasoned thinking?
@@Bobo1993ization only rich people play it, or at least can afford to practice and develop skills every day in China.
They should have been investing in basketball the entire time. Itâs what the people love to play!
One thing to notice about china is the speed in which the learn from mistakes and improve ..just look at there cars
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Northampton Town were in League 1 when 5USport invested in the club, not League 2
Oi did China gain some more provinces? I think the map in the video added Kyrgyzstan and Tajikistan to the PRC.
Why do so many youtube channels use maps in which china somehow includes Tajikistan and Kyrgyzstan? i've seen this multiple times now lol
This is unrelated but why are Kyrgyzstan and Tajikistan shown as a part of China on your map?
Brazil and Argentina are from the best teams in the world. But they both countries do not have good economy
Love to see this.
Take it from someone living in China. They've not given up on football. They will eventually have one of the best football teams in the world. I live in Beijing, the number of Football Academies here are staggering. đ
1:09 Kyrgizia and Tajikistan are also in red
The map of India is wrongly shown in the BG please change the BG
TIFO.... can u please make one about indonesian football..
and their devastating tragedy recently..
and why it happens
I think a lot of guys on CZcams already discussed it very in-depth and it's kinda outdated to make the video unless there's new fact that will be found on ongoing investigation
their football isn't even good and they treat it way too seriously to such levels. Really really tragic
@@ttbrown9700 people have to cling to something tho
@@ttbrown9700 as an Indonesian that's fact Indonesia is one of the most football fans in the world but their football team are really sucks
Not only is the map wrong, your information about Northampton Town is also wrong. The Chinese "invested" in the club for ~10 months but are no longer part of the club. It fell through mainly due to the scandals surrounding Sixfields Stadium and the "development area" surrounding the stadium, it seems they were never particularly interested in the actual football club
Honestly, expected better from you TIFO!
That was a good summary of the events, to be honest, mate. đ
Graziano Pelle was a football god over there....
You are showing a wrong map of India
Why did you show us a photo of Winnie the Pooh in the beginning?
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They should have invested in facilities, Coaching and grassroots philosophy.
That league with overpaid players was nonsense
let me tell you a story
boy is good at football
boy is considered talent of the century
boy gets scouted by clubs with "connections"
boy joins club
boy never starts
boy never plays
boy's parents never paid the coach (match play bribe)
no pay no play
happens from junior teams to semi-pro teams
the rich play, not the talented.
just watch all the "highlight" of the Chinese super league
oh nvm it happens with the chinese national team aswell, lol players need to pay to get selected by the national team
Amazing video
Well, Chinese soccer always bring joy to Chinese people, because its comedy value.
Why can't they just win every world cup like North Korea? They have the infrastructure
When China lost to Vietnam 1-3 in the 2022 WCQ, thing can be decided as enough. Although Vietnam and China have a long history of grievances and wars, but losing to Vietnam is never an option for Chinese football makers (they had won all seven meetings before). However, China lost to Vietnam on the first day of Chinese Lunar New Year (China must win this game to keep its World Cup hope alive), which extended China's World Cup hunt to 24 years.
I think while China's club football has seen issues with corruption, corporation mismanagements and financial abuse, the pivotal moment that finally rocked China's football must be the loss in Hanoi. It was so humiliating that when I checked on Weibo, many Chinese were so angered toward this and demanded for changes. Indeed, they have finally taken action following this loss, and there has been promising signs of their U-20 and U-17 teams overall. But we need to know what is to come for China's football.
If 180 out of 1,5 million youth Academy players make it to the Premier League, then how is China with more than 700 million men not producing at least a few world class players? If you look at the Olympics they dominate most sports
Can't see how China's task is enormous. Japan, the US, and S. Korea have achieved a creditable status in football. And African countries once the whipping boys of football in the 1970s are represented in the top 20. China's singular failure is not qualifying for the World Cup, but this needs to be balanced by the fact that competing nations in Asia (Japan, S. Korea, etc.) are also investing and spending significant funds, and have been doing so for longer than China.
They'll have more chance in the next WC since teams participating are more than before
If China really wanted to become a footballing powerhouse, they should start by offering Carlo Ancelotti 10 Billion euros and make him Football Czar of PR China! Give him absolute power and control, step aside and do everything he tells you! Within 10 years, China will be force in FIFA!
Itâs wild to me how you have 1.4 billion people and canât find 11 decent footballers.
In a way having a stronger (and certainly lucrative) domestic league can hinder the standard - players get comfortable with a big salary and don't test themselves overseas
For some reason in the video, the chinese map includes kyrgyzstan which is an independent country
The aspect discussed starting at 3:00 is highly dubios: the British model works exactly because there are countries like China that actually produce material stuff that the British can consume! The British sell the right to watch their game overseas and in exchange import e.g. Chinese made electronics. You can't run a world economy on this, not to mention that if more and more leagues around the world become attractive the economic power of any one will necessarily diminish once audience saturation has been reached.
Its like the 100 Acre Wood decided to take on the World. Nice flashback to when Oscar mattered as a player đž