@@Robynhoodlum what sick wretched people the old British government, a gay man a national no a hero of the world saved millions possibly billions and they thank him by torturing him
Sucks hes so well loved post-death, but they couldnt let him have a good life when it would have truly mattered most to the man...breaking the codes arguably saved the hypothetical lives of a couple 100,000 soldiers...maybe even on both sides since it ensured a shorter/less drawn out war to boot too
His death most likely wasn’t suicide it seems. I don’t know of any logical person who would poison themselves with cyanide (which is an awful, painful death). “Turing had reportedly borne his legal setbacks and hormone treatment (which had been discontinued a year previously) "with good humour" and had shown no sign of despondency before his death. He even set down a list of tasks that he intended to complete upon returning to his office after the holiday weekend.[15] Turing's mother believed that the ingestion was accidental, resulting from her son's careless storage of laboratory chemicals.” Also, he didn’t break enigma. Poland cryptographers did. “Although Nazi Germany introduced a series of improvements to the Enigma over the years that hampered decryption efforts, they did not prevent Poland from cracking the machine as early as December 1932 and reading messages prior to and into the war. Poland's sharing of their achievements enabled the Allies to exploit Enigma-enciphered messages as a major source of intelligence.[2] Many commentators say the flow of Ultra communications intelligence from the decrypting of Enigma, Lorenz, and other ciphers shortened the war substantially and may even have altered its outcome”
You can't use modern thinking on times of old. Otherwise..... What do you think about the ottomans or witch burnings or what the jews did to Christians in Spain.
Finding out - or rather being told Santa wasn't real was painful. Then you find out what this War Hero, who saved countless lives on all sides, was put through by bigotry, fear & hate.
@@sidrat2009 if we had MORE bigotry and hatred, we wouldn't be under assault by the rainbow mafia TODAY. Be careful what you tolerate and allow because the rewards of tolerance are treachery and betrayal.
There are some actors whom I just wish would pause aging and live forever and Charles Dance is unquestionably among them. What an absolute legend. Gary Oldman is likely the greatest Chameleon in all of acting, possibly ever, but I'll be damned if Charles Dance doesn't give him a run for his money. Simply incredible.
I have met many smart people who are social super-achievers - and I have met many not-smart people who strongly fit the stereotypes of how smart people act. Remember that the stereotypes about how smart people act are formed by people of average intelligence.
@@michaelrobinson2687I had to look it up, perhaps someone else needs it too. Lord Havelock Vetinari, Lord Patrician (Primus inter pares) of the city-state of Ankh-Morpork, is a fictional character in Terry Pratchett's Discworld series. Vetinari has written an unpublished manuscript known as The Servant, the Discworld version of The Prince by the Italian statesman and diplomat Niccolò Machiavelli. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lord_Vetinari
Enigma's main strength was that the messages would contain the code for the next message. This meant that they could change the pass code with every message, making it crazy difficult to crack. This method formed the basis of many future encryption methods, including WPA2.
From memory, what actually allowed continual cracking was exploiting flaws in people and systems, and not the Enigma system itself. Germans had set times for specific reports, and these reports largely were "all clear, nothing to report." Once teams found out how formulaic general reports were, they were able plug known answers into their machines to generate that day's code.
@@TheInsomniaddict ah, that does sound very German of them 😅 These days we know to include noise data to hide the fact that two messages are identical. Or use a constantly rotating seed.
It was SO sad what Britain did to this guy. Had a massive impact on the War, saved lives and yet he was absolutely shafted by his own Govt and Country. And it took over half a century after he died for an official apology by his Govt and his Queen. It would have been nice if HE would have been alive to hear the words and know his work was appreciated.
@@theannouncer5538 Honestly the whole ensemble on GoT has no peer. Especially considering the writing during the first 4-5 seasons. Jaime, Tyrion, Jon, Robb, Sansa, Sandor, Dany, Jeoffrey, Littlefinger, Varys, Lady Tyrell...I mean seriously they all had such great moments in those seasons. Shame once the writers ran out of George Martin's source material the fucked the storylines all to hell and ruined half of the characters above.
The Lorenz encryption device was bigger , more complex and harder to crack and Germans used it for HQ strategic messages. Declassified in 2002. Bill Tutte broke Lorenz system in spring 1942 without any information on the physical encryption device. The computer used to decrypt was Collosus, the first programable computer built by Post Office engineer Tommy Flowers.
@pixsilvb9638 Unfortunately, Collosus was top secret for many, many years, so people didn't know it was the first until years later. Collosus predates Eniac.
@@mikefish8226no, collusus isnt turing complete, eniac is. the z3 predates both. en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/ENIAC read to the early computers part. british have claim to RAM, idk why its claimed they invented everything else. ABC, Z3 predate them, and eniac was more capable. manchester baby is what should be touted as the british contribution.
This was one of the BEST movies I've ever seen! If not for this specific short popping uo on my feed to spark my interest, I'd have missed thia gem altogether.. so THANK YOU! 🎉🎉🎉
Except the Polish Mathematicians broke it in the 1930s, the Germans retooled it and he used the Polish mathematicians work to help break it, but of course why mention that
This is a bit like crediting the inventor of the box cutter after figuring out how to mission impossible your way into a bank vault with lasers and breath and pressure sensors blanketing the room.
@@kippersvindaloo6713 Not true at all. Polish codebreakers were using bombe machines to decrypt German Enigma messages all the way up until they were invaded.
The effect is kinda amusing in Godzilla: King of the Monsters (2019). Dude was a soft-spoken doomsday cultist(?) who wanted to unleash all the monsters or something, and after he gets what he wants he just calmly goes "ayt, imma peace out" and walks out of the plot
@@vitoc8454well, he was the one partially responsible for the creation of mechagodzilla, although he doesn't receive credit and his character was dismissed. A shame
I just see the sleazy politician that lost to Ali-G and was forced to dress up likea woman at the end and shake is ass, it's not something you can unsee!
No. They did break Enigma before anyone else and developed the mathematical algorithms to do so before the war started when the Enigma machine was a commercial product. The Nazis added an additional rotor to make it "unbreakable" for use as a military instrument (although they were unaware even the commercial machine had been compromised). The additional rotor necessitated an improvement of the algorithms to crack the code and the use of automated systems to do so in a timely manner. Turing was instrumental in these developments, and was appallingly treated by the establishment for being gay. I am glad that his contributions and achievements (such as the algorithms to break the Lorentz cipher) are now well recognised. We should not ignore the role of the polish Cryptanalysts led by Marian Rejewski upon whose work much of Bletchley Parks Enigma work was based.
Poles once broke enigma But germans caught up on it and added another few drumms , while slightly tweaking its inner workings (making polish method unusable )
Alan Turing, a true hero.... unfortunately destroyed by the Country & Government he saved... for being gay. Historian Harry Hinsley estimated he shortened the war by approximately two years & saved scores of lives. One of the best arguments for protecting the LGBTQ2S+ Community ever made.
If someone posts it and someone REposts it, they have to change it for legal reasons, otherwise they can't. Yes, the music, or whatever, is annoying but I appreciate it, because I wouldn't see it if they hadn't.
@@danielgrad6576 I don't think the Poles broke it. They just had a lot of files on it and made some initial progress. Got any links to prove otherwise?
Incredible mind and an extremely valuable asset. I do have to say though the Admiral (if that's what his rank is) you never mentioned the Poles. They smashed it first....
Yes, Poles did it first. It wasn't really a question of math in general - they knew the mathematical background of Enigma. Everyone did. And Poles broke it while it was fairly simple and could be done by hand. The true genius of Turing was in designing the machine that could break the code following Enigma system of any complexity. So one needed to turn mathematical theory into algorithm steps, then optimize that algorithm, and then build a machine following that algorithm. The difference between what Poles did and what Turing did, explained through a simple addition, was that Poles added two numbers together while Turing created a machine that could add billion numbers together. Both are still addition operation, but vastly different problems requiring vastly different solutions. Which is why Turing is not celebrated as mathematician or cryptographer, but as an engineer and computer scientist. Also, that's the reason why Polish breaking of Enigma played a very small role, and even that only initially, for the entire project. Good job on them for figuring out the basic version, but cracking those later versions was a completely different problem even though the machine operated mostly on the same principles.
@@Wustenfuchs109 greatly appreciate the in depth explanation. I understood that the Poles made the initial break but didn't realise Turin worked on the upgraded version. Thanks for the knowledge.
Damn Tywin finally met someone of whom he is impressed with, shame he does not reside anywhere near the red keep or Westeros in general for that matter but in 221 Baker Street, London.
From a BBC article “Mr Gallehawk explained that as war approached, the Germans were changing the settings every day and this was too much for Polish resources to deal with. So the machine was handed over to codebreakers at Bletchley who developed the technique and the first German message was broken in January 1940. However, it was not until 1941 that codebreakers were able to break into the naval Enigma messages after codebooks and a machine were captured from German U-boat U-110 by a boarding party from the British destroyer HMS Bulldog. Mr Gallehawk said you couldn't quantify how important the Polish contribution was but they provided a "jolly good start". "What they did demonstrate was that [the code] was breakable and the Germans thought the machine was unbreakable," he said.
Got the full functioning Enigma machine, full technical documentaion, trancription of messages and all knowledge from Polish.... it's a really, really, really good start I would say. It's a bit like somebody wrote the lyrics, music and other person signed his name at the bottom and called themself author. Just a bit.
@@rrrado1 Not really. Changing the code daily was the secret to enigma. if it take you 6 months work to break a code key for a particular day it's not much use, the data is 6 months old. Bletchley park were reading the messages before the Germans could decode them by the end of the war.
@CS-zn6pp so it's a matter of speeding up the reading but not breaking the code. The code was broken before 1939 by Polish group of mathematicians working for the polish government
@@CS-zn6pp Polish cracked the method, they didn't have enough resources to follow with it.... British had, that's it. One thing is who cracked Enigma another is who provided computing power. But I understand that is hard to admit that some Slavic underpeople are really resposible for the biggest "British achievement" of II World War, decades of propaganda worked.
They also inveted hot water, siting down and mitosis. Do you people get a tax cut if you fulfil a quota of reminding the internet about each Polish contribution in every project?
Just getting in there before some american thinks they broke it. After all Hollywood told them they captured it and the yanks believed it. Dont down play a nations contribution to wars. Its belittling. @alexsavutube
@@alexsavutube Relax bruv. We simply care, like any other nation, that our services are not overlooked. In few years we will be forced to explain to the whole world, that nazis werent some aliens, who came from space and mindcontrolled ze germans, who killed "most humanitarian" tribe from middle east. Not the Poles. Read Norman Gary Finkelstein. 2nd book :D
@@alexsavutube because they're a people who have lost their country many times over 400 years always against overpowering forces and still won't give up. That's why they produce so many heroes. Without the Polish, America would have never existed (Kosciusko).
@@simonpaine91 They did, it helped them once they were under attack but it was already too late by then..... those who had cracked the early cypher were only able to use once war began...... information from the Poles did later help Bletchley Park crack the later versions of the machine.
not "the machine" one of the many codes. the way this movie describes it is totally false to make a grandiose hero Meanwhile there were many codes and some got broken... Machine could do different codes.
@@simonpaine91 They did. The Enigma used for most of the war was the next iteration with an added rotor, which made the code geometrically more complex to crack and by that time Poles had no access to proper tools, so they took a trip to get their data on the machine to the Allies. And the Poles were perfectly aware the war was coming and they were the first on the chopping block. The trick here was that Hitler decided to fast-forward the invasion by, iirc, 2 years, catching Poland with its pants down as their economic plan was to speedrun production of military equipment in that time frame.
Pardon is NOT good enough. To sponge away the stupid cruelty of his conviction. - Pardon Turing while granting him the highest posthumous honours the crown can bestow.
@@austinweaver5649 One more lie about it ... Lie after lie after lie. No they decrypted all versions of it. Poland did not have resources to put it at full scale. There where hundreds of messages to decrypt while Poland was able to decrypt one or two per week. Due to lack of resources. Due to being occupied by Germans and Russians.
In 1932, the Enigma was decrypted by Polish mathematician and cryptologist Marian Rejewski, along with his colleagues from the Cipher Bureau, Henryk Zygalski, and Jerzy Różycki. They developed innovative mathematical techniques that enabled the decryption of the German cipher.
Yes you are absolutely right, they even built a small machine to decyoher enigma. However, by 1940, the machine had evolved a lot and the Polish methods did not work anymore as the machine's security had grown. Without the early Polish efforts tho, breaking the machine in 1940 would have been so much longer/harder.
Haven't seen this story but I have read a few books about the subject. Note that the Poles weren't mentioned here. Their amazing contributions were ALSO a very carefully kept secret until after the war.
Nah not really, he had limited use then and limited use now. Other people in computer development were far more competent and contributed a lot more than he ever did.
@@Dfoskdty thats a whole lot of bunk you just fecally vomited out there. Why post something so blatantly wrong that depends on people (other than you) literally refuting the obvious to themselves?
@@Dfoskdtydamn you really said that about a guy that help ended WW2 faster and was the father of most our idea on AI and computing. And you just said he had his uses SHM
@kaadengrant5613 OK first of all he didn't 'find most our idea in computers' computers already existed before Turing technically the first one was in 1882. Your drastically overstating the role of Turing in both the cypher breaking (the polish and Czech did a lot to break that and the poles actually did break the cipher without them it would have been a lot harder). And ironic you call him a father because that's definitely one thing he wasn't cut out to be for several reasons lol.
The problem is they cracked early version of it. Germans later made more difficult versions of it so technically turing had to recrack it. However still, polish informations helped a lot, especially on how it works in the first place.
@@arielshadow7667 That's even stated in the movie. The polish spies risked it all to bring a working replica that was used by Turing's team. But having a replica and being able to reliably crack the code when it changes daily are two different things.
@@austinweaver5649you could spew misinformation in your own words, or just link to the appropriate wiki article en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cryptanalysis_of_the_Enigma poles broke it, british made it faster, americans made it fastest.
Turing was recruited by the Government Code and Cypher School in 1938 as they prepared for the possibility of war with Germany and reported to Bletchley Park on 4 September 1939, the day after war was declared. He was assigned to the Enigma research section, under Dilly Knox. It was not believed to be unbreakable. Earlier versions of Enigma had already been broken. Turing's work was instrumental in the breaking German Enigma.
@@ruk2023-- Like hell you did. We bankrolled you, because we didn't want to get kinetically involved in a European war (a mistake), and then it was made our problem. We supplied arms and armor to all of the allies, especially the Soviet Union and the UK. We gave you Brits all the Thompsons you could afford. I'll be brief in the rest of this: Can we quit with the dick-measuring contest? There were American Shermans at Sword and Juno beach, yes, but it was British ingenuity that brought them there in the DD Sherman. Point is, things are better when we work together.
We, Poles break the Enigma code, and we gave before war our job of our code breakers to the British.We knew the method, but we were unable to achieve automatization of code breaking for fast message reading. And here Turing did this, he was instructed about Enigma code by our mathematitians, so he was able to construct mathematical machine which read german messages automatically. That why he is great.
Professor Turing single-handedly reduced 1.5 years of wartime during World War Two through the decryption of Enigma. Turing prize is Nobel prize of Computer Science.
You might want to look up Marian Adam Rejewski, the guy who first decrypted enigma. Or the US Navy Bombe in Dayton Ohio that decided the more complicated naval code.
The interviewer is asking the wrong question to start with and when he didn't like the answer he got, he gave up right away. Which is why they needed guys like the interviewee
Thats the most badass interview ever. Thats the thing. The interviewer always assumes your desperate and they have the power. He switched it around on him.
There is a very good BBC family history programme about Charles Dance in the "Who Do You Think You Are?" Series I think you will enjoy if you can track it down.
"Nonsense, you'll marry Cersei."
Lol
I can't marry Cersei!!! I'm the Sorcerer Supreme!
She’s missing the bits Turing wants though
Should be Loras or Sansa, he never would have spoken like that to people outside his family
"You'll marry cersei and put an end to these disgusting rumours"
Charles Dance looks like he was born in this Uniform.
Dance walks and talks as the next prime minister.
It's missing the golden lion sigil imo
Charles Dance looks the part whatever the part is. Mark of a great actor.
He has always been a top shelf actor
@@mauz791something tells me this man pays his debts
May Alan Turing Rest In Peace.
Goodness knows. He never got that during his life.😢
@@Robynhoodlum what sick wretched people the old British government, a gay man a national no a hero of the world saved millions possibly billions and they thank him by torturing him
Disgusting what they did to him.
@@drunkengamer1977Agreed
HEAR HEAR my friend agreed 💯
One of the greatest mathematicians in history, and they forced him into castration just because he didn't swing "the right way"
"Have you come to interview?"
"I come to bargain."
This had me dead!
Tywin Lannister, Ive come to bargain.
BRUH!!!!
China loves it.
😂😂😂😂😂😂
Terrible what they did to that national hero! Rest in peace Alan Turing
Sucks hes so well loved post-death, but they couldnt let him have a good life when it would have truly mattered most to the man...breaking the codes arguably saved the hypothetical lives of a couple 100,000 soldiers...maybe even on both sides since it ensured a shorter/less drawn out war to boot too
And this awful movie was just adding insult to injury
His death most likely wasn’t suicide it seems. I don’t know of any logical person who would poison themselves with cyanide (which is an awful, painful death).
“Turing had reportedly borne his legal setbacks and hormone treatment (which had been discontinued a year previously) "with good humour" and had shown no sign of despondency before his death. He even set down a list of tasks that he intended to complete upon returning to his office after the holiday weekend.[15] Turing's mother believed that the ingestion was accidental, resulting from her son's careless storage of laboratory chemicals.”
Also, he didn’t break enigma. Poland cryptographers did. “Although Nazi Germany introduced a series of improvements to the Enigma over the years that hampered decryption efforts, they did not prevent Poland from cracking the machine as early as December 1932 and reading messages prior to and into the war. Poland's sharing of their achievements enabled the Allies to exploit Enigma-enciphered messages as a major source of intelligence.[2] Many commentators say the flow of Ultra communications intelligence from the decrypting of Enigma, Lorenz, and other ciphers shortened the war substantially and may even have altered its outcome”
@@javierclement3047I think we all know the real reason why
You can't use modern thinking on times of old. Otherwise..... What do you think about the ottomans or witch burnings or what the jews did to Christians in Spain.
Man Turing managed to impress even Tywin Lannister.
Cool fact, one of Enigma's biggest flaw that allowed it to be cracked was that a letter could never be itself when being used for encryption.
For those wondering the movie is called The Imitation Game
Cheers gonna watch it now
Thank you so very much. I never would have guessed that. Seriously.
Would recommend, it's a good movie 👍
@@markbeddow6762It is an absolutely amazing film
In spanish is El código enigma y esta en Netflix
Doctor Strange disguised as Turing to break the Nazis
😄 „Dormammu!“, erm I mean „Enigma!“
Plot twist, it was Sherlock Holmes all along
@@noahmontgomery9902no, he's black these days.
@@noahmontgomery9902no s*** Sherlock. Why not.
I'm confused, I thought it was Smaug
Oh man, what a treasure! Surely somebody so special and important was given incredible respect after his world changing work.
What u did there.
It has been seen.
By me.
Finding out - or rather being told Santa wasn't real was painful. Then you find out what this War Hero, who saved countless lives on all sides, was put through by bigotry, fear & hate.
@@sidrat2009Something that seems to be back in vogue with the Tories race to the bottom
@@sidrat2009 if we had MORE bigotry and hatred, we wouldn't be under assault by the rainbow mafia TODAY. Be careful what you tolerate and allow because the rewards of tolerance are treachery and betrayal.
Polish encrypted Enigma first, but by western standards, everything must be in favor of the great west
There are some actors whom I just wish would pause aging and live forever and Charles Dance is unquestionably among them. What an absolute legend. Gary Oldman is likely the greatest Chameleon in all of acting, possibly ever, but I'll be damned if Charles Dance doesn't give him a run for his money. Simply incredible.
Alan turing wasn’t an idiot, he was recorded being charming and outgoing. In other words
Not all smart people are sheldon
Being autistic or emotionally naive isn't idiotic. Not trying to be hostile but it's just the way some people are, even if Turing wasn't like that.
Ok….
@@Rosskles it is. Ignorance of human social interaction and perceived conceit. An idiot, in simpler terms.
@@Rossklesemotionally naive the first time is ok but if it keeps happening then it probably is
I have met many smart people who are social super-achievers - and I have met many not-smart people who strongly fit the stereotypes of how smart people act. Remember that the stereotypes about how smart people act are formed by people of average intelligence.
Tywin Lannister working with Doctor Strange
Dam you went before me
Alternatively we have Sherlock Holmes and Lord Vetinari
Bro said it
@@michaelrobinson2687I had to look it up, perhaps someone else needs it too.
Lord Havelock Vetinari, Lord Patrician (Primus inter pares) of the city-state of Ankh-Morpork, is a fictional character in Terry Pratchett's Discworld series. Vetinari has written an unpublished manuscript known as The Servant, the Discworld version of The Prince by the Italian statesman and diplomat Niccolò Machiavelli.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lord_Vetinari
Woah, this dude figured out actors have different roles! Good job little guy, everyone is proud of you.
Enigma's main strength was that the messages would contain the code for the next message. This meant that they could change the pass code with every message, making it crazy difficult to crack.
This method formed the basis of many future encryption methods, including WPA2.
From memory, what actually allowed continual cracking was exploiting flaws in people and systems, and not the Enigma system itself. Germans had set times for specific reports, and these reports largely were "all clear, nothing to report." Once teams found out how formulaic general reports were, they were able plug known answers into their machines to generate that day's code.
@@TheInsomniaddict ah, that does sound very German of them 😅
These days we know to include noise data to hide the fact that two messages are identical.
Or use a constantly rotating seed.
I genuinely loved this movie, it was so heartbreaking and also so captivating
Charles Dance will spend the rest of his life playing Tywin Lannister. And he will love every second of it.
But that’s Prince Philip
He’s played roles like this LONG before Game of Thrones was a thing.
Wer ist Tywin Lannister?
@@Tannhauser111he's an antagonist from the game of thrones series
I'm still waiting for him to swap out his glass eye. I'm sure someone will get it.
It was SO sad what Britain did to this guy. Had a massive impact on the War, saved lives and yet he was absolutely shafted by his own Govt and Country. And it took over half a century after he died for an official apology by his Govt and his Queen. It would have been nice if HE would have been alive to hear the words and know his work was appreciated.
Absolutely, but he was gay so people hated him even despite his genius and heroism. Homophobes are really the worst
Robert Oppenheimer also suffered at the hands of the Government
@@user-cr5yy4te3i absolutely
i live down the road from bletchley, He's always been thought of as a hero here.
Curiously, there is another famous person who gets very little credit for helping to decriminalize homosexuality - Margaret Thatcher.
Outstanding film. Really surprised me how good it was!
Thank you Alan Turing & everyone who worked at Bletchley Park. You are all heroes 🫡
I love Charles Dance! What a class act.
Best actor game of thrones ever had
@@theannouncer5538 Liam Cunningham is also a scene stealer.
@@theannouncer5538 Honestly the whole ensemble on GoT has no peer. Especially considering the writing during the first 4-5 seasons. Jaime, Tyrion, Jon, Robb, Sansa, Sandor, Dany, Jeoffrey, Littlefinger, Varys, Lady Tyrell...I mean seriously they all had such great moments in those seasons. Shame once the writers ran out of George Martin's source material the fucked the storylines all to hell and ruined half of the characters above.
@Magellann365 sandor was great 1-8. Even at the end his character's actions made sense.
THEY HAVE MY SON!
A Polish mathematician before the war: Hold my vodka.
Typical European glory hunters, and now, our government agreed to destroy our independence.
Rejewsky
Ski
*Brewski
It's worth mentioning that he decyphered a much less complicated and secure version of the enigma. The one used during the war was much more secure
Computers, Encryption, Evolutionary Algorithms, Artificial Intelligence, Computability... this man was a genius.
Rest in Peace to one of Britain’s greatest minds and heroes ❤
The Lorenz encryption device was bigger , more complex and harder to crack and Germans used it for HQ strategic messages. Declassified in 2002.
Bill Tutte broke Lorenz system in spring 1942 without any information on the physical encryption device. The computer used to decrypt was Collosus, the first programable computer built by Post Office engineer Tommy Flowers.
Thats quite interesting, did not know any of that. Thanks for sharing.
I thought Eniac was the first (or one of the first programmable computer)
@pixsilvb9638 Unfortunately, Collosus was top secret for many, many years, so people didn't know it was the first until years later. Collosus predates Eniac.
@@mikefish8226 Like ‘The Forbin Project’
@@mikefish8226no, collusus isnt turing complete, eniac is. the z3 predates both.
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/ENIAC read to the early computers part.
british have claim to RAM, idk why its claimed they invented everything else. ABC, Z3 predate them, and eniac was more capable. manchester baby is what should be touted as the british contribution.
I never realized how much he sounds like Peter Dinklage with his accent here
I knew someone else’s comment seemed familiar but I wasn’t sure until your comment.
Edit: look ma I’m famous Iv got 2 likes.
Yoooo i realised it after u said it. Damn that was quite an observation!😍
He is his dad after all
Classic RP.
Turing What a beautiful man.
This was one of the BEST movies I've ever seen! If not for this specific short popping uo on my feed to spark my interest, I'd have missed thia gem altogether.. so THANK YOU! 🎉🎉🎉
You’re welcome
Except the Polish Mathematicians broke it in the 1930s, the Germans retooled it and he used the Polish mathematicians work to help break it, but of course why mention that
They cracked how enigma worked, the Brits figured out how to crack codes before it was too late
This is a bit like crediting the inventor of the box cutter after figuring out how to mission impossible your way into a bank vault with lasers and breath and pressure sensors blanketing the room.
@@kippersvindaloo6713 Not true at all. Polish codebreakers were using bombe machines to decrypt German Enigma messages all the way up until they were invaded.
I cant, every time I look at Charles dance I see Tywin Lannister, no matter the character he is playing.
The effect is kinda amusing in Godzilla: King of the Monsters (2019). Dude was a soft-spoken doomsday cultist(?) who wanted to unleash all the monsters or something, and after he gets what he wants he just calmly goes "ayt, imma peace out" and walks out of the plot
I see Erik from the phantom of opera whenever I see him 😂
"Why is Tywin Lannister wearing a suit?"
@@vitoc8454well, he was the one partially responsible for the creation of mechagodzilla, although he doesn't receive credit and his character was dismissed. A shame
I just see the sleazy politician that lost to Ali-G and was forced to dress up likea woman at the end and shake is ass, it's not something you can unsee!
What INCREDIBLE confidence!
i really feel lyke this is one of benedicts best preformances. he really feels so real and intimate throughout the whole movie
A bit disappointing they gave short shrift to the Poles. Everything Bletchley Park accomplished came off the backs of the hard work of the Poles.
Amen Sir .
Tru
Simply untrue, the poles worked on a different machine
No. They did break Enigma before anyone else and developed the mathematical algorithms to do so before the war started when the Enigma machine was a commercial product. The Nazis added an additional rotor to make it "unbreakable" for use as a military instrument (although they were unaware even the commercial machine had been compromised). The additional rotor necessitated an improvement of the algorithms to crack the code and the use of automated systems to do so in a timely manner. Turing was instrumental in these developments, and was appallingly treated by the establishment for being gay. I am glad that his contributions and achievements (such as the algorithms to break the Lorentz cipher) are now well recognised.
We should not ignore the role of the polish Cryptanalysts led by Marian Rejewski upon whose work much of Bletchley Parks Enigma work was based.
@@GigaBoostwhat machine was it than?
Poles once broke enigma
But germans caught up on it and added another few drumms , while slightly tweaking its inner workings (making polish method unusable )
But the Polish approach was more sound than other allies early efforts. Turing basically adopted the same approach as the Poles did.
Poles broke the enigma and adding an extra rotar was for the Brits
SUCH a brilliant movie.
If u haven't seen it, I envy u.
U will have the total thrill of seeing it for the first time...
Alan Turing, a true hero.... unfortunately destroyed by the Country & Government he saved... for being gay. Historian Harry Hinsley estimated he shortened the war by approximately two years & saved scores of lives. One of the best arguments for protecting the LGBTQ2S+ Community ever made.
That guy could play a Lannister in every movie and I wouldn't be mad at it 🤣🤣👍🏼👍🏼
Some actors are simply made for bad guy roles x)
@@cvabroad_shortsNot even a bad guy. Just a powerful, charismatic and authoritative boss
Thank you for not ruining the scene with music like all other shorts do.
Thanks for mentioning, I hate it when music is added without any thought or function and is actually detrimental.
Bro what's the movie
@@prasannaanthony1479 The Imitation Game
If someone posts it and someone REposts it, they have to change it for legal reasons, otherwise they can't. Yes, the music, or whatever, is annoying but I appreciate it, because I wouldn't see it if they hadn't.
Wow! I didn’t know that Doctor Strange talked to Tywin Lannister in the new movie! So cool!
An absolute Genius Alan Turing He deserved so much more , he broke the enigma code . We owe him , he saved so many lives.
Alan's story should be more known. First time I heard of him was scishow. Years ago. We need more men like Alan in this world.
Thankfully this movie was well-received and had a great box-office take, as it deserved
The reality: Wikipedia Cryptanalysis_of_the_Enigma
@@Magellann365 Except for a fact that enigma code was broken by the Poles way before the war.
unfortunately, that is not how nature works'
The law of life is the Gaussian Curve......and Turings are the very thin fringe of the Curve.
@@danielgrad6576 I don't think the Poles broke it. They just had a lot of files on it and made some initial progress.
Got any links to prove otherwise?
Incredible mind and an extremely valuable asset. I do have to say though the Admiral (if that's what his rank is) you never mentioned the Poles. They smashed it first....
He's a Commander ...(OF-4)
@@lucvanackeren5445 just like Bond eh?
Yes, Poles did it first. It wasn't really a question of math in general - they knew the mathematical background of Enigma. Everyone did. And Poles broke it while it was fairly simple and could be done by hand.
The true genius of Turing was in designing the machine that could break the code following Enigma system of any complexity. So one needed to turn mathematical theory into algorithm steps, then optimize that algorithm, and then build a machine following that algorithm.
The difference between what Poles did and what Turing did, explained through a simple addition, was that Poles added two numbers together while Turing created a machine that could add billion numbers together. Both are still addition operation, but vastly different problems requiring vastly different solutions.
Which is why Turing is not celebrated as mathematician or cryptographer, but as an engineer and computer scientist.
Also, that's the reason why Polish breaking of Enigma played a very small role, and even that only initially, for the entire project.
Good job on them for figuring out the basic version, but cracking those later versions was a completely different problem even though the machine operated mostly on the same principles.
@@Wustenfuchs109 i think the Germans added an extra rotor and made it constantly change too. So the complexity increased exponentially.
@@Wustenfuchs109 greatly appreciate the in depth explanation. I understood that the Poles made the initial break but didn't realise Turin worked on the upgraded version. Thanks for the knowledge.
Brilliant scene. Whole film is worth watching several times.
Fiction can be like that
Damn Tywin finally met someone of whom he is impressed with, shame he does not reside anywhere near the red keep or Westeros in general for that matter but in 221 Baker Street, London.
From a BBC article
“Mr Gallehawk explained that as war approached, the Germans were changing the settings every day and this was too much for Polish resources to deal with.
So the machine was handed over to codebreakers at Bletchley who developed the technique and the first German message was broken in January 1940.
However, it was not until 1941 that codebreakers were able to break into the naval Enigma messages after codebooks and a machine were captured from German U-boat U-110 by a boarding party from the British destroyer HMS Bulldog.
Mr Gallehawk said you couldn't quantify how important the Polish contribution was but they provided a "jolly good start".
"What they did demonstrate was that [the code] was breakable and the Germans thought the machine was unbreakable," he said.
Hollywood movie changed that into an american sub that got the machine😂
Got the full functioning Enigma machine, full technical documentaion, trancription of messages and all knowledge from Polish.... it's a really, really, really good start I would say. It's a bit like somebody wrote the lyrics, music and other person signed his name at the bottom and called themself author. Just a bit.
@@rrrado1 Not really.
Changing the code daily was the secret to enigma.
if it take you 6 months work to break a code key for a particular day it's not much use, the data is 6 months old.
Bletchley park were reading the messages before the Germans could decode them by the end of the war.
@CS-zn6pp so it's a matter of speeding up the reading but not breaking the code. The code was broken before 1939 by Polish group of mathematicians working for the polish government
@@CS-zn6pp Polish cracked the method, they didn't have enough resources to follow with it.... British had, that's it. One thing is who cracked Enigma another is who provided computing power. But I understand that is hard to admit that some Slavic underpeople are really resposible for the biggest "British achievement" of II World War, decades of propaganda worked.
The Poles didn't think it was unbreakable
Tell a Pole something can't be done and he will do anything to prove you wrong
@@szajba8106 I've heard of worse national hobbies.
@@johngregory4801like Cricket.
@@pheonixblue01 Hell, I'm American, and baseball puts me to sleep. The Great American Pastime?
More like the Great American Sleeping Pill 😴
@@johngregory4801 Pretty much every sport bores me, I get it. Unless I’m at the stadium. That’s just fun.
Such a good movie and great acting by Benedict
"I come to bargain "
"Fool! You'll marry Cersei."
The polish didn't think it was unbreakable
They also inveted hot water, siting down and mitosis. Do you people get a tax cut if you fulfil a quota of reminding the internet about each Polish contribution in every project?
Just getting in there before some american thinks they broke it. After all Hollywood told them they captured it and the yanks believed it. Dont down play a nations contribution to wars. Its belittling. @alexsavutube
@@alexsavutube Relax bruv. We simply care, like any other nation, that our services are not overlooked. In few years we will be forced to explain to the whole world, that nazis werent some aliens, who came from space and mindcontrolled ze germans, who killed "most humanitarian" tribe from middle east. Not the Poles. Read Norman Gary Finkelstein. 2nd book :D
@@alexsavutube because they're a people who have lost their country many times over 400 years always against overpowering forces and still won't give up. That's why they produce so many heroes. Without the Polish, America would have never existed (Kosciusko).
@@Peglegkickboxer😂😂😂😂
Such a great movie and I'd argue his best. RIP Mr Turing, you are a hero
Whats the movies name
@@Tourkofagosss the imitation game
I need to learn more about Turing. I know he was treated abysmally, tragically. But what a mind, what gifts!
ALAN TURING IS AN ENIGMA OF MANKIND ... Without a doubt a truly sophisticated man at a tumultuous time in world history.
Two great actors, nailing their parts in this film.
As an aside, the Poles cracked the machine as early as December 1932.
If they had done than then they would have had better defence against the invasion from Germany ,
@@simonpaine91 They did, it helped them once they were under attack but it was already too late by then..... those who had cracked the early cypher were only able to use once war began...... information from the Poles did later help Bletchley Park crack the later versions of the machine.
@@simonpaine91the wealth of human knowledge at your fingertips but you can't be arsed to research something that doesn't match your perceived reality
not "the machine"
one of the many codes.
the way this movie describes it is totally false to make a grandiose hero
Meanwhile there were many codes and some got broken...
Machine could do different codes.
@@simonpaine91 They did.
The Enigma used for most of the war was the next iteration with an added rotor, which made the code geometrically more complex to crack and by that time Poles had no access to proper tools, so they took a trip to get their data on the machine to the Allies.
And the Poles were perfectly aware the war was coming and they were the first on the chopping block. The trick here was that Hitler decided to fast-forward the invasion by, iirc, 2 years, catching Poland with its pants down as their economic plan was to speedrun production of military equipment in that time frame.
The Imitation Game, great film with a brilliant cast! Just informing! 🤔
"You wouldn't be hiring cryptographers out of university. You need me more than I need you." What a great character!
In Manchester, UK, there is an Alan Turing Way, through the east regeneration area. What they did to that man was inexcusable.
Brilliant poor Alan Turing! What a national disgrace!
Pardon is NOT good enough. To sponge away the stupid cruelty of his conviction. - Pardon Turing while granting him the highest posthumous honours the crown can bestow.
@@jt7638the guy is dead, you cannot "sponge" anything.
@@jt7638he’s now the face of our £5 note
National W. Spoiler he cracked it.
Imagine where computers and AI could be if he was still alive.. as he was the one who invented the Turing test want he?
Polish brok enigma in 1939.
1932 actually
Polish broke Enigma in 1932. The Germans increased the complexity by a factor of ten in 1938, which is what Bletchely park was tasked with solving.
They broke the older simpler version, Britain broke the German military version
@@austinweaver5649 One more lie about it ... Lie after lie after lie. No they decrypted all versions of it. Poland did not have resources to put it at full scale. There where hundreds of messages to decrypt while Poland was able to decrypt one or two per week. Due to lack of resources. Due to being occupied by Germans and Russians.
The version that mattered was broken in 1941 by them tea obsessed Brits lol and the Germans had no clue
Stellar casting for the roles
Most people see Benedict as Dr Strange. I always see him as Sherlock Holmes.
They should have asked the Poles...
Oh wait, they did - then forgot to mention it...
In 1932, the Enigma was decrypted by Polish mathematician and cryptologist Marian Rejewski, along with his colleagues from the Cipher Bureau, Henryk Zygalski, and Jerzy Różycki. They developed innovative mathematical techniques that enabled the decryption of the German cipher.
This is a true this man was Polish, and I am so proud to confirm that.. I'm Polish too 🇵🇱🇵🇱🇵🇱🇵🇱🇵🇱
Yes you are absolutely right, they even built a small machine to decyoher enigma. However, by 1940, the machine had evolved a lot and the Polish methods did not work anymore as the machine's security had grown. Without the early Polish efforts tho, breaking the machine in 1940 would have been so much longer/harder.
They also had advantage in that pre-war they intercepted and took notes on a commercial-grade Enigma machine as it was shipped through Poland.
That's not the Enigma we are talking about here.
And in 1939, they were out the gate to the UK.
Haven't seen this story but I have read a few books about the subject. Note that the Poles weren't mentioned here. Their amazing contributions were ALSO a very carefully kept secret until after the war.
At this point I’m convinced that Charles Dance was born in a military uniform.
the way the british treated alan turing was also a disgrace.
Indeed, it took them until 2013 to finally issue a pardon. I think it's a shame.
Nah, he was gay
@@novemportis3653Yes, he was gay. And why is this an issue?
@@novemportis3653 He could probably beat you in a fight given the most exercise you're getting is talking shit at a dead guy online
@@FishbedMyBelovedcouldn't say it better myself
Guy: “Enigma.”
Interviewer (misheard): “Wow didn’t know you were chill like that, you got the job”
🤝
He didnt hear sigma
He heard the n word🗣💯💀
Charles Dance would be perfect to portray Lion El'Johnson.
For the Lion!
This movie was butter.
One of the best films of the last decade
so whats it called? no one has said it in the comments.
@@Fueled_Batterythe imitation game
Tywin talking to Sherlock
And Dr Strange.
And Khan.
A real hat-trick.
amazing Performance
Excellent acting and facial expressions by BC here. Just brilliant.
We have so much to thank Alan Turing for. It's a shame what the British did to him.
Nah not really, he had limited use then and limited use now. Other people in computer development were far more competent and contributed a lot more than he ever did.
@@Dfoskdty thats a whole lot of bunk you just fecally vomited out there. Why post something so blatantly wrong that depends on people (other than you) literally refuting the obvious to themselves?
@@Dfoskdtylol okay
@@Dfoskdtydamn you really said that about a guy that help ended WW2 faster and was the father of most our idea on AI and computing. And you just said he had his uses SHM
@kaadengrant5613 OK first of all he didn't 'find most our idea in computers' computers already existed before Turing technically the first one was in 1882. Your drastically overstating the role of Turing in both the cypher breaking (the polish and Czech did a lot to break that and the poles actually did break the cipher without them it would have been a lot harder). And ironic you call him a father because that's definitely one thing he wasn't cut out to be for several reasons lol.
This is how you sell a movie in a perfect short clip
Yes if u name the movie title or include a link that is
@@Darkkamikazegirl do you know the movie name ? ^^
@@Leonis19667 NO
@@Leonis19667the Imitation game
@@W4VE_X ty
My great-grandfather was on the team that captured the enigma machine And he was also on the team that cracked it.
One of the best movies of all time
Charles Dance is so good at his craft
Polish mathematicians have deciphered Enigma in 1933 and made worki g 2 copies of Enigma to both the French and the English allies in 1939.
The problem is they cracked early version of it. Germans later made more difficult versions of it so technically turing had to recrack it.
However still, polish informations helped a lot, especially on how it works in the first place.
Nie ma sensu sie odzywać
@@arielshadow7667 That's even stated in the movie. The polish spies risked it all to bring a working replica that was used by Turing's team. But having a replica and being able to reliably crack the code when it changes daily are two different things.
Thanks. Turing gets far too much credit, for standing on other's shoulders (i.e. work).
@@ikiruyamamoto1050 No, he doesn't get too much credit. He cracked the much harder later version of Engima.
Time Traveller kicks the stone
Timeline= Lord Tywin Lanister and Dr. Strange 😂
It was sickening what the English government did to him after the war. Unforgiveable.
And yet 3 poles broked it.
They broke the code. They couldn’t decipher it though because they didn’t have the machine
@@austinweaver5649you could spew misinformation in your own words, or just link to the appropriate wiki article
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cryptanalysis_of_the_Enigma
poles broke it, british made it faster, americans made it fastest.
Turing was recruited by the Government Code and Cypher School in 1938 as they prepared for the possibility of war with Germany and reported to Bletchley Park on 4 September 1939, the day after war was declared. He was assigned to the Enigma research section, under Dilly Knox. It was not believed to be unbreakable. Earlier versions of Enigma had already been broken. Turing's work was instrumental in the breaking German Enigma.
This movie had hauntingly beautiful soundtracks.
Oh my god it's the witchfinder and Doctor Holmes 😂
“Then we’ll know for sure.”
Great line
An insult to the true memory of Alan Turing. Doesn't even mention the Poles, and the French efforts in decription of Enigma.
There is nothing more British than taking the accomplishments of others as their own.
@@abebuckingham8198 We learned that off the yanks.
@@ruk2023-- you pre-date the yanks, and the yanks are just the children of European religious zealots
@@ruk2023-- Like hell you did. We bankrolled you, because we didn't want to get kinetically involved in a European war (a mistake), and then it was made our problem. We supplied arms and armor to all of the allies, especially the Soviet Union and the UK. We gave you Brits all the Thompsons you could afford. I'll be brief in the rest of this: Can we quit with the dick-measuring contest? There were American Shermans at Sword and Juno beach, yes, but it was British ingenuity that brought them there in the DD Sherman. Point is, things are better when we work together.
@justaguy723 You are anything and everything that is related to the word "HOPE" in this world. My guy...
This is such a good movie. Its unreal
We, Poles break the Enigma code, and we gave before war our job of our code breakers to the British.We knew the method, but we were unable to achieve automatization of code breaking for fast message reading. And here Turing did this, he was instructed about Enigma code by our mathematitians, so he was able to construct mathematical machine which read german messages automatically. That why he is great.
Professor Turing single-handedly reduced 1.5 years of wartime during World War Two through the decryption of Enigma. Turing prize is Nobel prize of Computer Science.
Posts like this happen when someone takes their knowledge from hollywood movies.
Turin not Turing
Still gay tho.
You might want to look up Marian Adam Rejewski, the guy who first decrypted enigma. Or the US Navy Bombe in Dayton Ohio that decided the more complicated naval code.
he really wasnt alone but yeah genius grade for sure
The interviewer is asking the wrong question to start with and when he didn't like the answer he got, he gave up right away. Which is why they needed guys like the interviewee
It's a terribly written movie.
Very little of it is accurate.
I bet the scene is utterly fake.
Tywin having a conversation with a gentleman who sounds like Tyrion.
For those wondering the title of the movie is - Lannister and Holmes, Into the multiverse
Thats the most badass interview ever. Thats the thing. The interviewer always assumes your desperate and they have the power. He switched it around on him.
Oh yes, he did. One key to job interviews is seeing them as negotiations not exams.
Kind of bullshit, not sure what this guys plan is when the Allies lose
Title of the movie is : The imitation game
Even in different universe Dr Strange always try to bargain
Tywin Lannister vs Sherlock Holmes... the matchup we've been waiting for
Charles dance is by far one.of my all time favorite actors
I must say, I best remember him from „Last Action Hero“. Probably it’s a nostalgia thing 😅
. Wasn't he the demon in
the Golden child?
There is a very good BBC family history programme about Charles Dance in the "Who Do You Think You Are?" Series I think you will enjoy if you can track it down.
I liked the part where he got rewarded for his efforts
Tywin will always be "Tywin"
Beautiful and heartbreaking story.